Huckabee stirs up third-party fear
Huckabee stirs up third-party fear – - The Washington Times, America’s Newspaper: “A bitter fight is taking place behind the scenes over Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee. Influential conservatives are clashing over whether Mr. Huckabee is capable of keeping evangelicals from fleeing the GOP to form a third party or if he’s too liberal fiscally for the Republican electorate.”
Its time for some conservatives to get a reality check. The type candidate they want is not electable since most of the country and most Christians are not as far right as them. All a third party candidate as far right as they want would do is split the conservative vote so Hillary would be a shoe in. They then can look forward to a socialist anti Christian administration controlling all bodies of the government. That is a recipe for the break up of the Union. Maybe that’s what they really want. Mike Huckabee or Fred Thompson are the only chance Christians have of not living under socialism and thought police tyranny in the short term and civil insurrection in the long term.
Date posted: Monday, October 29th, 2007 8:43 am | Under category: American patriot topics, delusion, irrational, politics, socialist
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Well, if people like Arnie and Rudy are the future of the Republican Party I think it’s about time you create a new party. Maybe you should have already. On the other hand, the Republican Party might also return to its principles and rid the party of pseudo-liberals, forcing them to create their own party.
I agree that a new party is needed but it can’t be done in less than a year. However, if we do not get a non liberal candidate from the Republicans we will have no choice except to start a new party. But if the Republicans actually nominate someone like Huckabee or Thompson and they get elected we will have the time to clean up the party or lay the grass roots support for a new one.
If we try to start a new party now we will just split the conservative vote and insure that Hillary gets elected. As I have said before this will be disaster for this nation. In previous left leaning administrations the Republicans always had at least one branch of government that could stop Far Leftist agendas.
If Hillary gets elected there will be absolutely nothing to stop every Liberal law from getting passed. That includes, gay marriage, hate speech laws that will outlaw much of fundamental Christianity, robbing from those who work to give to the sloths who will not work. Carbon taxes, higher taxes for all but those who contribute nothing, socialized medicine, The homosexual indoctrination of children. Creating a minority special hiring status for homosexuals, economic depression and so on and so forth.
I know for a fact that many Americans will not tolerate this America and that is why I say it will be the end of the Union.
After 4 of 8 years of Hillary there will be no free speech allowed against anything that is not politically correct. They will muzzle talk radio and the Internet They will control media, the educational system, the entitlement system, churches, corporation policy etc. There simply will be no legal way to try to reverse the Leftist agenda through the political process.
We will then be under socialistic Fascism. The only recourse for those who will not go along with the ungodly globalist socialist agenda will be secession or revolution.
You may think I am over stating what will happen but if you look at the slide into every form of debauchery that has even occurred while the Republicans had control just imagine the Pandora’s box that will be opened when the leftist’s are given free reign to control everything in America.
Hi Don,
I admit it’s easy for me to say you should simply create a new party. I would have to agree that with elections approaching, this may not be the right time.
I wouldn’t like to see someone like Hillary getting elected president either. I’ve been reading about the different Democratic and Republican candidates and even done some tests to find out which candidate(s) I’m closest to but to be frank if I were an American I would have a hard time fully backing any candidate. The political philosophy quiz indicated I’d be a ‘Hardcore Republican’ and belong to the Reagan camp but quite frankly I currently don’t see any presidential candidate equaling a man as Reagan.
It’s not that I don’t believe you, but it’s still hard for me to ‘believe’ that if Hillary gets elected, there’s a big chance America is going to split. Conflicts okay but anything more than that is difficult to grasp. Perhaps that’s because in our European countries we don’t uphold the constitution as something precious as Americans do (or some of them) and would fight for. Our system is a lot more ‘democratic’, odd as it may sound. People like Hillary get elected here all the time and no one cares because many people support socially liberal policies and because our system is not as constitutional as that of the U.S. anyway. We don’t have such clear principles as those defined in the U.S. Constitution.
I think all I can hope for is that the U.S. will put a man of high morals who upholds the U.S. constitution in the oval office, who is neither a liberal nor a neocon, and someone who is rational yet also principled in foreign policy.
Hi Roshan,
Hillary wants to make the US like Europe and has even said so.
People in the heartland of the US are not going to put up with a godless socialist state of thought police and have their children indoctrinated and perverted with homosexuality.
The big difference here compared to Europe is that in many areas we still have a significant number of people who are Christians or have Christian values.
Another thing we have in the US is the constitutional right to bear arms. I did not mention that in my last post but if the Left gets total control of the government they will pass laws to take away guns from law abiding people. If they attempt to do that in some areas of this country they had better bring their tanks. Not that our military would even back them. Everyone in our military takes an oath to defend the constitution of the United States. The Federal military also are not constitutionally allowed to be used against US citizens. Because military was used at Waco it perturbed many and gave the milita movement legs.
We had a moderate militia movement in this country before the 9/11 event mainly because of Waco. This movement will revive and enlarge big time if Hillary gets elected. They will certainly take up arms against any perceived Fascist globalist government.
When the government comes down on Christian values where the Christians live the people will be in revolt. I lived in Christian areas of this country and I know their attitude toward all this.
I am not saying that true Christians will take up arms against the government although some might. However, I can see many local and state governments simply not complying with federal laws and withholding taxes to support Federal government programs. From there it spirals to a secession movement.
The cultural and moral divide between places like California and Oklahoma are enormous. What government can get away with on the coast will never fly in the heartland.
However, if the Left gets control you can be sure they will make these things the law of the land and some states simply will not comply or will attempt to secede. I don’t know how this would all play out but mark my words if the government goes too far Left and there is no democratic recourse to change it. It will be the end of the Union.
I was under the impression that by this time the militia had become largely insignificant and I also thought that the army despite pledging allegiance to the Constitution simply had to follow the orders of the president. Apparently not so.
Thanks for your clarification on this!
Your not wrong. The militia is now insignificant since it was based on conspiracy theories and the movement became unpatriotic after Oklahoma city, after Janet Reno and after Bush was elected and especially after 9/11.
What I am saying is the movement that occured in the 90’s will be nothing compared to what will happen in these areas if Hillary gets elected and the Left starts passing these very unpopular legislations.
I am already hearing the stirring from the far right wing. Check out what is being said on newswithviews.com sometime. That is suppose to be a Christian website and the views are mild compared to others.
I am sure there are people just waiting for an excuse to get back to their glory days of life preparing to oppose the new world order of the godless socialists. It would not be wrong to support them if we cannot keep a constitutional government of the people, and by the people, and for the people, through democratic means.
A neighbor I knew was in the leadership of the militia where I lived when I was in the Ozarks of Missouri in the 90’s. He was quite crazy but he was totally accepted by the local Christians. They were not fond of the Feds being in their business.
If a law were passed nationally like what happened in California. Most of the county would support any opposition. No elected official of the county would dare enforce the new laws. (They cannot even enforce the state hunting laws in that region).
OK, that is an extreme example, but start passing anti family and anti gun legislation and the extremist leaders will come out of the woodwork pronto in the Heartland.
The commander in chief of the military is the President but you cannot join the military without swearing to uphold the Constitution of the United States.
Okay, I think I understand what you mean now. The problem I have with those on the Far Right in the U.S. is not that they uphold the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, but rather the fact that they believe America was founded to be a ‘Christian’ nation. I don’t buy any of that. They should uphold the Bible first and foremost.
I think that it’s good if not the duty of true Christians – and all other law-abiding American citizens – in the U.S. to support the Constitution in the face of unconstitutional legislators. If, for instance, the proposals of Hillary to introduce a national health care system are unconstitutional, okay, oppose it on those grounds.
But when it comes to issues of morality, I don’t really see how many of these things are strictly unconstitutional, except if you use the argument of the Fouding Fathers being orthodox Christians who would have opposed such things as civil unions or gay marriage. However, since that argument is in my opinion false and to many even irrelevant in determining what’s constitutional and what’s not, I wonder what those Christians on the Far Right really want and what they love most.
Aren’t they also a bit like those Dominionists who love their lives in this sinful world more than having to endure the evil we’re surrounded by? I think those on the Far Right in the U.S. should stop mixing Christian faith and politics or they’ll end up like those at Judgment Day saying to Christ ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?’ I mean, are they hoping they can somehow prevent the Antichrist from coming or something?
Mankind is corrupt by nature (’total depravity’) and in a democracy you can therefore expect that if citizens choose to live sinful lives, corrupt and ungodly men will get elected and will prevail in the world we live in. So if a majority of the Americans backs people with unconstitutional proposals and anti-biblical mores, you’re never going to change the American society by trying to impose biblical values on them through legislation. I think that would be unconstitutional in the first place. The only chance to have a more biblical society is when the individual American accepts Christ or at least reappreciates the worth of biblical or traditional family values. Christians should not try to change the political landscape itself, but the hearts of the people – which in the end, only Christ can do. Logically, the political landscape will then change also. It seems that having biblical mores in the U.S. has become an end in itself to them. But as in the days of the Pharisees, that doesn’t mean the people will change at heart.
That is not to say it’s wrong to oppose gay marriage and other wrongs caused by the sexual revolution but they must be seriously deluded if they think they can undo all that’s happening through politics. There are rational arguments against all of these things if you’re in politics; use them! But stop hiding behind the purportedly ‘Christian’ Founding Fathers, however honorable their principles were.
We’re not called to change the world and to be in high offices, but to be ministers. I hope those on the Far Right will see that one day.
What you said is true of some on the Far Right but not the majority.
Let me try to nail down the big issue.
The godless leftist bills that are passing is not the real constitutional issue. The Big problem that they have is when the bills take away their own constitutional rights or that circumvents the constitution.
For example when they pass hate speech that takes away the right of Christians to have free speech to say that homosexuality is a sin, or legislation that takes away the right to have arms, or using Federal troops in internal police matters, or their right to bring up their children without Federalist intervention, or Federal government taking away state rights granted in the Constitution, or sending Americans to fight in wars without the congress first declaring war, or the unconstitutional passing of income tax laws. There are scores of examples.
Most would not say that the Constitution is perfect but they would say that within the Constitution there is a method to change the Constitution if the people of the United States want to do that. That is not done by passing congressional legislation or by activist judges it is done by the states passing an amendment to the constitution, or on a broader scope for the states to call for a constitutional convention.
What is going on in our branches of government today in many ways is trying to change America through unconstitutional means and that is issue.
It is not only passing things like the gay marriage bills that irks the heartland what really gets them mad is that even after the people have spoken in a state constitutional referendum the legislators and judges will just ignore their voice by changing the name of the bill. Very much like what is being done with the EU constitution. It was voted down but is now brought back as a deceptive treaty to circumvent the wishes of the people.
Okay, I see. The whole thing sometimes confuses me because it’s often hard for me to distinguish between those in the U.S. who in my opinion mix faith and politics too much, and those who are Christian and defend the constitution not because they want to make a theocratic nation out of America but want to re-establish America as a constitutional republic. I have no problem with the latter.
Thanks for clarifying!