Comments on: Huckabee Oked by Evangelicals, Nix Mormon Romney and More

By: Don

Don — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:42:23 +0000

Your making unfounded assumptions. I have heard plenty from the Mormons on their positions. I am not going to take their new positions because even though they changed certain doctrines since their “infallible” founders wrote what is documented, Mormons even today have not changed the essential doctrines that would allow them to even be called a Christian denomination. Instead all Christian denominations claim that Mormonism is a cult. Is everyone wrong but Mormons? They have said so. Nevertheless, Mormons cling to Christian science fiction not Christianity.

Obviously you are not looking into the issues that separate Mormonism from Christianity yourself or you would know why not one Christian denomination that I know of accepts Mormonism as anything other than a cult. Mormons have a different Jesus, a different gospel of how one is saved etc etc. That is not going to change by discussing what or what not your founders once said. Mormons today are still claiming doctrine this is contrary to the essential doctrines of Christianity! I gave you a site of ex-Mormon Christians that understand Mormonism because they were in it. So you ought to be talking with them.

Here is a article from my links that should should make you see that there is a difference between what you teach and what we believe.

http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/2125/Andrew_Longman
I am not saying I agree with Longman on every issue but he brings up some points that should make you see that we have huge differences.

Even so, I do not have to drink your Kool Aid laced with poison when I already know it is laced with poison., After one knows Christian doctrine and the only way of salvation there is no reason to go down dark paths to look for the light that Christians already have. Christians do not need to get all the views of cults to know that that they are teaching a different path to salvation. I do not need to know all the doctrines of Islam to know that they teach a salvation by works theology as do Mormons, or to know their Jesus is not the same risen Savior defined in the Bible. Mormons have more in common with Masonry and New Age doctrine then they do with Christianity

Don’t blame me if you do not understand true Christianity. I gave you information where you can find out the truth. In fact, I will give you a article I wrote that will give you the truth to free you of your cult. Of course you will reject it because you have a salvation by your own works theology.

http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/How%20one%20is%20saved.htm

Christians are saved by trusting in the finished work of Jesus period. But your meaning of saved or atonement or grace is not even the same as ours so when you put different meanings on Christian terminally you can appear to agree but when you dig into what your are really saying the meanings are 180 degrees in opposition.

Mormons love to imply that we do not want to discuss the issues because we are afraid it would threaten our faith. That must be part of your training since I have heard it so often from Mormons. That is absurd. You have nothing to offer those who know the truth. I could get more truth out of Masonry than I can out of Mormonism. Have you ever considered that I have no desire to discuss issues with people with no ears to hear because it is a total waste of my time. Mormons are not interested in our Christian truth they are interested in spreading their own doctrine or they are interested in being accepted by Christians as Christians so they can spread their doctrinal lies.

I do not care if I ruffle feathers when I speak the Christian truth. If I did not ruffle feathers with unbelievers I would be saying anything worthwhile. Christianity is not a “can’t we all get along” belief. It claims one path to God not pluralism.

I actually know more about Mormonism than many Mormons. Knowing your doctrine is not the issue. Knowing your doctrine is not Christianity is the only issue.

By: Big D

Big D — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:16:18 +0000

Sure I’ll honor your request and discontinue posting this issue here. I find it disheartening though that someone that professes to follow Chrisitianity, and obviously by how you live your life follows its teachings, would feel so strongly about such an issue, work hard to disprove a religion as one centered around Christ, and not take time to look further into the issue. If this is your only source, then you need more. I assume based on how you post on the political issues you look at both sides, take in as much info as possible, then form your opinion. That is the best way to form an opinion about anything, an unbiased opinion I should say. If you are just using anti-mormon literature don’t you think it will show all the info from a certain view-point? You should broaden the view and look from the other side to either alter your opinion and accept your opinion as currently incorrect, or to solidify what you believe. Why would you or anyone else not do that? It only makes sense to look from both sides, or all sides, when forming an opinion to try to base it on a concrete foundation and truth; I would think this especially important with religion. You aren’t going to convert, what is there to hold you back then? That is the only way to do it. If not, then you opinion does not carry as much weight as you might wish on this topic. The only reason I can think of as to why you would not follow through and do this is either you don’t particularly care enough or are not interested enough, are not solid enough in your own beliefs, or are somewhat narrow-minded and are not willing to take the chance to think out of your box to see what it looks like. Take my challenge to you and look at it from the Mormon point of view. You have done plenty from the other side. It is only fair to look at it this way also and then see what your thoughts are on the topic. Good luck and please let me know how it goes should you decide to challenge yourself.
I will not post on this thread again regarding this topic. And I mean all I say in the least-attacking way possible. You must know you ruffle feathers with this sort of stuff though when you have not taken time to look at it from all angles. Should you feel the same after you study my religion not using anti- literature then so be it, it is understandable. But what kind of way is it to learn about anything using anti-what-ever-you-are-studying literature? It doesn’t make sense in any realm of life and does not make sense here. Good luck Don, you are a good man trying to do what is right, that is obvious.

By: Don

Don — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:23:44 +0000

I am aware of the revisionism in the Mormon doctrine when it suits the purpose of this church. This is what Mormon founders taught and it is well documented in the “Kingdom of the Cults”, by Dr. Walter Martin. Nobody in orthodox Christianity disputes any of the major points that Dr. Martin taught on Christian cults. Mormons now dispute some points because your leaders have shifted their position and revised or ignored the writing of some “infallible” prophets of the Mormon Church but the original writings nevertheless remain. Claimed divine revelation cannot be sand shaped to try to fit in with Christian beliefs. As long as the Mormon Church presents a different gospel through “infallible” prophets they will not be regarded as Christians by the Christians Church.

Ga 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Ga 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

This post is almost a year old and it is about Romney and why Christian Evangelicals should not support his run for the Presidency. It is not the place to restart a discussion on Mormonism. If you want to discuss the major issues Christians have with your Mormon doctrine I suggest you go to http://www.saintsalive.com They are former Mormons who know both sides of the issues thoroughly and they will be glad to discuss these things with you. Until those major issues are resolved you will not be regarded as Christians by Christians and that should not bewilder you if you really look into the serious issues.

By: Big D

Big D — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:45:55 +0000

Don, quite a bit of that is incorrect. I would recommend using a different source. Some of it it correct, I should point that out, but quite a bit is not. Also, I should also mention that you as a conservative for this election understand what it means when McCain says “I did say that but it has been taken out of context”. Some of what you have listed appears to be taken out of context also. Just a friendly opinion. If you desire to know more, let me know, maybe I can help give you better sources if you decide to pursue this. Thanks Don, I have enjoyed your website tremendously since I first found it.

By: Don

Don — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:59:52 +0000

There are plenty of very nice ethical people outside of Christianity. Mormons are Christian within their definition of who Jesus Christ is and how one is saved. Sorry, but that is not the Christian definition.

Here is a link that points out what you believe that orthodox Christianity does not. Follow the Saints Alive link at the end of the article if you want more information. Christians and Mormon societies are mostly based on biblical moral teachings and that is what we have most in common.

http://www.thepropheticyears.com/cults/mormons.HTM

By: Big D

Big D — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:09:52 +0000

I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon). I have posted many times on other threads on Don’t website. Hopefully he can see from my posts what kind of person I am.

I agree my religion is typically looked at differently by many other Christian religions. We are also Christians; Christ is the center-piece of our teachings and beliefs. I will not go into doctrinal differences as my experience has taught me “it takes one to know one” and the best way to know or understand what we believe is to look to the source and find out for yourself. I think that would do a whole lot better than studying anti-mormon literature, which makes no sense to me. I don’t learn about the dental sciences by studying non-dental science texts. Nothing really works that way in life. If you want the most accurate representation, then you must go to the source to find out. I do not know and understand why so many attack us and our beliefs. We do not aggressively attack others. We consistently back or support honorable charities, service opportunities, give relief aid, and many of us are backing Yes on Prop 8; we are the largest monetary contributors to this effort for the state of California.

I do not believe I will ever understand why people attack us. I only hope that maybe as more time passes, people will recognize us for what we are and judge us based on the actions of our people/members. Every group has bad apples. It is not fair to judge in that way. Look at the whole. Whether or not you agree with our teachings is a very separate issue, but by looking at us and what we do in respects to contributing to society, you will see we are Christians, we look to only do good, and our youth are some of the best youth out there. No non-christian would act as we do day in and day out.

By: Contarini

Contarini — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:54:00 +0000

Could someone explain how you justify your position in light of the First Amendment? Why does it matter whether Romney is a Christian or not? I agree that Mormons are outside the pail of orthodox Christianity, but that is irrelevant. I don’t care what religion a candidate belongs to–I care about their stance on the issues, their competence, and their general moral character. I favor Huckabee over Romney because I think he’s more trustworthy and I think his positions are more informed by moral principle. The fact that I consider Huckabee my brother in Christ and can’t see Romney the same way has nothing to do with it.

By: Don Koenig

Don Koenig — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:15:00 +0000

I do not care what the dictionary calls a Christian. Christians are in the unique position to define Christianity. We are the body of Christ.

How can a cult that believes every word of the NT not be a Christian denomination?

It is not believing that the words were inspired that counts. It is the meaning that you put on those words.

For example, the Jews believed every word of the Law and the Prophets but most of them still rejected and missed their Messiah because they did not understand that the Law was given to lead them to the Messiah who fulfilled it for them.

Instead they still want to try to keep the law themselves to please God and the work of Jesus became a stumbling block for them rather than Jehovah's salvation.

Mormons do very much the same thing as the Jews. They believe the scriptures but they miss that salvation is fully fulfilled in the Messiah. Instead they believe they can work their way up to godhood by their own merits. To them Jesus showed the way to the Father He was not the only way to the Father.

The Authority that anyone can determine who a Christian is, is by who they say Jesus Christ is?

If they make Him to be anything less then the Creator who once and for all paid for the sins of all Mankind and now saves all who trust in His righteousness, then they are not Christians.

Anyone who believes differently have never found God's only way to salvation and they are not members of the Body of Christ. "Christians".

By: Bot

Bot — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:06:00 +0000

How can a denomination which believes every word of the original Greek New Testament is the Word of God NOT be a Christian denomination? By what authority do you determine who is an is not a Christian?

The dictionary definition of a Christian is “of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to a religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ”. Therefore, your church and mine are both Christian churchs.

Anything revealed by Mormon prophets are simply re-inforcing our Christianity.

By: Don Koenig

Don Koenig — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:07:00 +0000

Yeah but your church does not follow Jesus Christ. Your church follows mystical teachings of your founders and prophets who talk of a different Jesus Christ. They obvious did not know the identity of the real Jesus Christ because your Jesus is not the Creator he is created.

The Bible defines who Jesus Christ is not your church. What you claim about Jesus is not true, therefore you do not know Him and are not a follower of Him. You have another Christ a counterfeit Christ.

People can say they follow George Bush but when they tell us about him if they describe the attributes of Ron Hubbard they obviously never knew George Bush.

We do not all worship the one and only true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and address Him in prayer as prescribed in The Lord’s Prayer. You cannot know the Father apart from Jesus Christ and we have already established that your Jesus is a counterfeit.

The children of Abraham Issac and Jacob were justified by faith in God's righteousness while Mormons are justified through church ordnances and their own good works.

Yours is not the gospel of salvation to all who believe in His righteousness. It is a gospel of becoming self righteous enough to become like God.

The two gospels are in direct opposition to each other. Only one is true and only one can call themselves followers of Jesus Christ. Therefore, astue Christian will never call Mormons Christians.