Chuck Baldwin for President of the U.S.? The Constitution Party will soon be over.
Chuck Baldwin views are too radical to even win an election to become pastor of most Baptist churches. I respect some of his views but America will not support him. You would think that a national party that exists to bring back government to the intent of its founders could come up with a more qualified and more well known candidate. I think this party will soon be over. Baldwin will have zero impact on this election and he will not start a third party grass roots movement for the future either.
Constitution Party stunner: Chuck Baldwin KOs firebrand Alan Keyes | KansasCity.com Prime Buzz
Convening its national convention in Kansas City today, the Constitution Party picked radio talk-show host Chuck Baldwin over former Ambassador Alan Keyes as its 2008 presidential candidate.
The pick was seen as something of an upset, given Keyes’ higher national profile. Known for his fiery stem-winders, Keyes is a two-time GOP presidential candidate who abandoned the Republican Party this month to join the Constitution Party, which believes in limited government and is committed to ending abortion and bringing American troops home from Iraq.
But Baldwin’s roots in the Constitution Party run deeper. He was the party’s 2004 vice-presidential candidate, and party members said his stands were more in line with party thinking.
Date posted: Monday, April 28th, 2008 10:40 am | Under category: American patriot topics, Chuck Baldwin, constitutional issues, dumb, irrational, politics
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As I’ve said earlier, I like Alan Keyes. I liked that he was bold enough to leave the GOP. Yet I don’t know about his choice for the Constition Party. I do agree with Keyes’ and parts of the CP’s party platform on a personal level (it sure ain’t the Commie Party lol) but not necessarily politically. And I don’t agree much with their anti-free trade stance. I see a lot of “the Constitution says this” and “the Constitution says that” but how are they really going to deal with the problems the world or America itself is facing and keep it within constitutional boundaries? I would really love to hear about that from them. How about U.S. aid to Israel? Do nothing about the Iranian nuclear threat? Dissolve not only the NSA but also the FBI and the CIA? If Baldwin represents the Constitution Party, then quite frankly I don’t think I’d be on their bandwagon.
I’m turned off by that “America: Christian nation” rhetoric. No offense, but it so tires me to keep hearing that from many conservative American Christians. And I do respect a lot of them otherwise. You have the Baldwins that are all for the Constitution and want to rechristianize America and then you have the Huckabees that like to walk around in George W. Bush t-shirts and believe in “spreading Democracy” all around the world by joining the U.S. Army. Well, I don’t like it when, say, fundamentalist Baptist churches are like that and give us the impression America is God’s promised land. Why is it some know the Constitution better than their Bible? I’m sorry if that offends anyone. However, to me this seems like a politicization of our Christian faith. Do they think that rhetoric will lead people to Christ? It takes away the essence and power of the Gospel. I’m not saying I’m not guilty of it but I think it’s time we sat down and had a good discussion on where to draw the line between our faith and our political views of politics. It’s no good when everyone keeps saying I’m in favor of this or I’m opposed to that politically because “I’m a Christian” or because “the Bible says so”.
It also keeps reminding me of those Christian and Reformed parties they have here in Europe and specifically those in Holland. I respect many of the people who vote for these parties and I may agree with parts of their political platform myself but I often disagree with what these parties stand in reality. They think somehow they’ll change the nation’s morality through leglislation and save the people or at least invoke God’s favor on their country because of their parties’ presence in the country. At the same time they say they are constitutional and support others people’s liberties. That some people actually take that talk seriously is quite hilarious indeed. Because of the different political situtation in European countries, those parties are likely to end up in gov’t with Socialists, Greens and the like. So they never get to realize their true party platform and in the end they turn into watermelons themselves.
I’ll be cynical again but I’ll say it nonetheless that I think a truly free society on earth is a utopia. I know Libertarians and many American patriots will say Socialism and other ideologies are a utopia. It sure is but I think a “free” society is also just that - an ideal or an man-made idea. An ideal that will never materialize fully because it fails to see acknowledge man’s fallibility and sinfulness.
All gov’t in a Democracy is bound to turn into big gov’t. It’s as simple as that. And even though I’m not for big gov’t I no longer think gov’t as an institution is a necessary “evil”, it’s the people that are in it that are evil and do evil. Gov’t (or in a broader sense: some form of organization having a certain authority and control) as an institution is not evil in itself. For that reason, I don’t hold Democracy or even the Constitutional Republic as being the best political system or as some some moral absolute and “God-given”.
Much of the Constitution resolves around limiting gov’t which is good but what about the falliblity of man? If gov’t is fallible than so is the people. That is why Democracy isn’t perfect. So to consider some constitution or rights to be infallible and “God-given”, or to uphold Democracy as God-given, well, I’m sorry but I don’t buy into that. It would imply that these man-made rules and systems are infallible and biblical. Freedom of speech is a good thing and I’m not in favor of hate-speech laws. However, does this God-given right necessarily lead to a good and virtuous society? Do many of those rights and freedom even lead to true liberty? I didn’t think so.
After all, worldly liberty may guarantee biblical Chrisitans to freely live by their faith but and it may limit gov’t interference in our lives but isn’t true liberty freedom from sin? Can you free people from sin constitutionally and by means of gov’t? No. You can forbid and illegalize and punish all forms of evil and then we’ll have totalitarianism. But that won’t prevent people from perishing either. So I think the CP folks and others should go on supporting the constitution but abandon the “God-given” rhetoric. Like so many people they claim God for themselves and I think it’s not what politicians should do. I don’t see why you can’t support biblical or traditional family values from a rational point of view, without having to resort to the simplistic “the Bible says so” rhetoric. You can say all that but it simply doesn’t work that way. Be honest with yourselves and support theocracy then. If you really supported the God-given right to freedom of religion, then you knew people would claim the right to have different lifestyles based upon that same constitutional right. Which in my view shows those rights are fallible and not God-given in the first place.
Sorry for the typos btw, hope it’s readable enough though.
I think that was very well said.
We forget that the best government will not be a democracy. It will be when Jesus rules on the throne of David with a rod of iron. It will also be a world government.