Comments on: Al Gores new flavor of deadly Kool_aid is still deadly Kool_aid http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html Documents that the world is becoming a demented delusional and dumb place Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:51:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1458 Don Fri, 16 May 2008 12:28:01 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1458 Vic did bring up one interesting point that Al Gore would have been too young to have any impact on the banning of DDT. The author of the article said that not me and maybe someone concerned should tell him to correct that part of his article. Vic is banned from posting further information on this blog.because that person cannot post information without resorting to vicious personal attacks on me. I would think that what the author really meant is that Al Gore worked to keep the ban in effect but I do not know what the author had in mind when he said what he did. Vic did bring up one interesting point that Al Gore would have been too young to have any impact on the banning of DDT. The author of the article said that not me and maybe someone concerned should tell him to correct that part of his article.

Vic is banned from posting further information on this blog.because that person cannot post information without resorting to vicious personal attacks on me.

I would think that what the author really meant is that Al Gore worked to keep the ban in effect but I do not know what the author had in mind when he said what he did.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1439 Don Wed, 14 May 2008 19:52:07 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1439 Vic All I can say is that you really showed your true hateful colors in the latest poison letter that I just deleted. You now even have the power to determine who is a Christian. You are just one amazing self enlightened Christian on a crusade to re-ban DDT so millions more can die of malaria. Congradulations! Vic

All I can say is that you really showed your true hateful colors in the latest poison letter that I just deleted. You now even have the power to determine who is a Christian. You are just one amazing self enlightened Christian on a crusade to re-ban DDT so millions more can die of malaria. Congradulations!

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1434 Don Wed, 14 May 2008 04:59:15 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1434 Vic I deleted your last two posts because I am not going to waste my time answering personal attacks on me. Obviously you are a crusader against DDT and you are one of those people that search the Internet to defend the ban that brought the death of millions of people. For your information I was in the military for over ten years and your insinuation that I did not serve like Al Gore shows your mean spiritedness. As far as your claim that Al Gore was not a factor in the DDT ban. I was just citing the statement by Arthur Robinson in this article that says he was. It is in the quoted part of the first post entry. Either he is wrong or your are. If you can actually prove what you said talk to him. One other thing, you seem to think that you know that it is not God's will for man to use his God given intelligence to try to improve the quality of life on this planet I do not see that taught in the Bible. I also did not call you a liberal I know you are not. I said you resort to personal attacks like a Liberal and that is why your last two posts are missing. If you can come up with double blind studies that prove your case about DDT I will post them. The rest is not admissible in court and is really just your opinion. We have already heard your opinion on this post. Vic

I deleted your last two posts because I am not going to waste my time answering personal attacks on me. Obviously you are a crusader against DDT and you are one of those people that search the Internet to defend the ban that brought the death of millions of people.

For your information I was in the military for over ten years and your insinuation that I did not serve like Al Gore shows your mean spiritedness.

As far as your claim that Al Gore was not a factor in the DDT ban. I was just citing the statement by Arthur Robinson in this article that says he was. It is in the quoted part of the first post entry. Either he is wrong or your are. If you can actually prove what you said talk to him.

One other thing, you seem to think that you know that it is not God’s will for man to use his God given intelligence to try to improve the quality of life on this planet I do not see that taught in the Bible. I also did not call you a liberal I know you are not. I said you resort to personal attacks like a Liberal and that is why your last two posts are missing. If you can come up with double blind studies that prove your case about DDT I will post them. The rest is not admissible in court and is really just your opinion. We have already heard your opinion on this post.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1426 Don Tue, 13 May 2008 13:17:29 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1426 Somehow I am finding this a little hard to believe. A grown man eating spoonfuls of DDT? What other poison did he eat to prove some point? Even if he did eat DDT, a single death by cancer by someone who was abusing the way it was directed to be used does not prove anything. Site double blind scientific studies as proof that DDT causes cancer when used as directed. All chemicals used for farming are dangerous. Everything man does has positives and negatives. Yet, unless you can convince everyone to move out of the cities and go back to subsistence farming the only way to provide enough food is through chemicals. So maybe that is the crusade you should be on because like I said all chemicals are dangerous. If you want everyone to live like YOU THINK God intended preach that, but see how many listen to your advise. See how many wish to die at age 40 when you reverse all the advancements that man made to control disease by the brains that God gave them. Speaking about disease, I was not even talking about the use of DDT for farming. I was talking about the eradication of the mosquitoes by use of DDT. By the way, do you think the insecticides used today that replace DDT are any safer? Probably not. Dioxin was in used motor oil so if they oiled their dusty roads they certainly did oil their roads with Dioxin. Yet, you tell me it wasn't done?. As for Lead, it was an additive in the gasoline they used. So farmers certainly were exposed to lead more than the general population. Did you actually think I was talking about it being used on the soil? Your response on the two examples of other exposures to poisons by farmers in those days, shows me that you respond without even understanding the argument. I never said DDT was not a poison but the benefits against mosquitoes spreading malaria outweighed the negatives. Even the World Health Organization has now come to that view. It is the environmentalists that never can be proven wrong even after they are proven wrong that are still hindering the use of DDT against malaria carrying mosquitoes. Finally, instead of finishing your argument with name calling like many liberals like to do because they have no facts, why don't you inform people of all those scientific studies that prove that DDT is as deadly to humans as you claim it is. The fact remains that the banning of DDT allowed the spread of malaria which caused the deaths of hundreds of millions of people and Al Gore was one of the big pushers of its ban.. Even if you could site some negative effects of DDT which I am sure exist, it does not change that fact. That is what this post is about. Somehow I am finding this a little hard to believe. A grown man eating spoonfuls of DDT? What other poison did he eat to prove some point? Even if he did eat DDT, a single death by cancer by someone who was abusing the way it was directed to be used does not prove anything. Site double blind scientific studies as proof that DDT causes cancer when used as directed.

All chemicals used for farming are dangerous. Everything man does has positives and negatives. Yet, unless you can convince everyone to move out of the cities and go back to subsistence farming the only way to provide enough food is through chemicals. So maybe that is the crusade you should be on because like I said all chemicals are dangerous. If you want everyone to live like YOU THINK God intended preach that, but see how many listen to your advise. See how many wish to die at age 40 when you reverse all the advancements that man made to control disease by the brains that God gave them.

Speaking about disease, I was not even talking about the use of DDT for farming. I was talking about the eradication of the mosquitoes by use of DDT. By the way, do you think the insecticides used today that replace DDT are any safer? Probably not.

Dioxin was in used motor oil so if they oiled their dusty roads they certainly did oil their roads with Dioxin. Yet, you tell me it wasn’t done?.
As for Lead, it was an additive in the gasoline they used. So farmers certainly were exposed to lead more than the general population. Did you actually think I was talking about it being used on the soil? Your response on the two examples of other exposures to poisons by farmers in those days, shows me that you respond without even understanding the argument.

I never said DDT was not a poison but the benefits against mosquitoes spreading malaria outweighed the negatives. Even the World Health Organization has now come to that view. It is the environmentalists that never can be proven wrong even after they are proven wrong that are still hindering the use of DDT against malaria carrying mosquitoes.

Finally, instead of finishing your argument with name calling like many liberals like to do because they have no facts, why don’t you inform people of all those scientific studies that prove that DDT is as deadly to humans as you claim it is.

The fact remains that the banning of DDT allowed the spread of malaria which caused the deaths of hundreds of millions of people and Al Gore was one of the big pushers of its ban.. Even if you could site some negative effects of DDT which I am sure exist, it does not change that fact. That is what this post is about.

]]> By: Vic http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1423 Vic Tue, 13 May 2008 05:21:55 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1423 I didn't get my information from Al Gore, although I could tell him a thing or two. I've never read his book and I don't ascribe to the current environmental ballyhoo because it ultimately boils down to goddess worship. I lived the research. Dad's GI teacher didn't come into contact with those other chemicals during the early 50's. He did however (in order to demonstrate the sacrosanct status and utter safety of DDT as put out by the US government) eat a teaspoon full of the poison at each of his agricultural classes addressing the subject. He had to make those demonstrations because even in the early 50's (long before Silent Spring) discerning people were rightly afraid of the chemical. He died of cancer 18 months after those presentations. There were ways then and there are ways now to farm that do not turn the soil to cement, the water to poison, and the air to polluted toxins. Of course people are still dying of cancer and central nervous system disorders today. DDT paved the way for greater and grander poisons. Someday, some pundit with a so-ocalled passion for truth and some kind of title will promote the safety of those toxins too. Why should anyone who has lived out the reality of what DDT really is ever believe what you or your pet reserve of skewed scientists put out as real. When you advocate a concept so irresponsible, you fall right into line with the big boys who wanted to put out cheap worthless food and rape the land instead of doing things in a Godly and orderly way which would feed people and take care of the soil. The Bible tells us how to farm. My Dad farmed that way. He loved and respected the land because it was a gift from God. He didn't make a lot of money but he restored that farm-land to viable soil, abundant wildlife, and decent water (except for the water mocassins). The next person to farm it went back to the chemicals and returned the fragile ecostructure of that soil to cement with his chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides. What a travesty to God-created dirt. The truth of the matter is that DDT is poison. No one I knew (and I knew and/or was related to just about everyone in the county) oiled their dirt roads with dioxin. It wasn't done then. As for lead, get real. Except for a very few (read corporate) big farms, most were small operations. Lead build-up was miniscule relative to DDT. DDT was the culprit. The truth is if you've bought and are promoting the lie that it wasn't, you are either very foolish or in cahoots with some very bad people. You have to cut through the crap on either side of this issue to get to the truth. You're not doing that. You're sitting smack dab in the middle of it. The only reason that DDT is being approved again is because corporate America has been given so much power. You and others like you who preach about the safety of DDT are guilty of a great crime against humanity. I watched and lived the resultsof that greed. I know DDT is a terrible substance. You recheck your research, add some less biased, reality-based data to that information and maybe, just maybe, you need to get some guidance from God too. I have, I have, and I have. Don't live up to your demented, delusional and dumb title. Don't tell someone who has experienced the results of DDT poisoning that it doesn't exist and that they need to check their research. I didn’t get my information from Al Gore, although I could tell him a thing or two. I’ve never read his book and I don’t ascribe to the current environmental ballyhoo because it ultimately boils down to goddess worship. I lived the research. Dad’s GI teacher didn’t come into contact with those other chemicals during the early 50’s. He did however (in order to demonstrate the sacrosanct status and utter safety of DDT as put out by the US government) eat a teaspoon full of the poison at each of his agricultural classes addressing the subject. He had to make those demonstrations because even in the early 50’s (long before Silent Spring) discerning people were rightly afraid of the chemical. He died of cancer 18 months after those presentations. There were ways then and there are ways now to farm that do not turn the soil to cement, the water to poison, and the air to polluted toxins.
Of course people are still dying of cancer and central nervous system disorders today. DDT paved the way for greater and grander poisons. Someday, some pundit with a so-ocalled passion for truth and some kind of title will promote the safety of those toxins too. Why should anyone who has lived out the reality of what DDT really is ever believe what you or your pet reserve of skewed scientists put out as real. When you advocate a concept so irresponsible, you fall right into line with the big boys who wanted to put out cheap worthless food and rape the land instead of doing things in a Godly and orderly way which would feed people and take care of the soil. The Bible tells us how to farm. My Dad farmed that way. He loved and respected the land because it was a gift from God. He didn’t make a lot of money but he restored that farm-land to viable soil, abundant wildlife, and decent water (except for the water mocassins). The next person to farm it went back to the chemicals and returned the fragile ecostructure of that soil to cement with his chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides. What a travesty to God-created dirt.
The truth of the matter is that DDT is poison. No one I knew (and I knew and/or was related to just about everyone in the county) oiled their dirt roads with dioxin. It wasn’t done then. As for lead, get real. Except for a very few (read corporate) big farms, most were small operations. Lead build-up was miniscule relative to DDT. DDT was the culprit. The truth is if you’ve bought and are promoting the lie that it wasn’t, you are either very foolish or in cahoots with some very bad people. You have to cut through the crap on either side of this issue to get to the truth. You’re not doing that. You’re sitting smack dab in the middle of it. The only reason that DDT is being approved again is because corporate America has been given so much power. You and others like you who preach about the safety of DDT are guilty of a great crime against humanity. I watched and lived the resultsof that greed. I know DDT is a terrible substance. You recheck your research, add some less biased, reality-based data to that information and maybe, just maybe, you need to get some guidance from God too. I have, I have, and I have. Don’t live up to your demented, delusional and dumb title. Don’t tell someone who has experienced the results of DDT poisoning that it doesn’t exist and that they need to check their research.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1403 Don Mon, 12 May 2008 01:35:11 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1403 Farmers were using many of chemicals besides DDT in those days that were banned in the same period. Two examples that are proven causes of what you reported are lead and Dioxin. People using farm machinery were exposed. They even oiled their dirt roads with oil that contained Dioxin. On the other hand, there is no scientific evidence that people were dying from using DDT. People still die right and left from cancer and central nervous system disorders today that obviously have nothing to do with DDT. DDT like global warming became the blame for everything. Scientific studies since that time have debunked these DDT myths and DDT is increasingly being approved for use again. I understand that DDT was not the culprit in the bird problems either. So from what I know the DDT ban was a political decision pushed by junk science politicians like Al Gore who never found a Silent Spring end of the world junk science hysteria he would not promote. Do your own research and make your own judgment based on the latest scientific facts. Certainly do not get your information just from the same environmentalists that are defend their lies. It would be like watching Al Gore's "Earth in the Balance" to find out scientific facts on global warming. Here are a couple of links to get started. http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html http://www.junkscience.com/foxnews/fn120100.htm http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/12/7/144107.shtml Farmers were using many of chemicals besides DDT in those days that were banned in the same period. Two examples that are proven causes of what you reported are lead and Dioxin. People using farm machinery were exposed. They even oiled their dirt roads with oil that contained Dioxin. On the other hand, there is no scientific evidence that people were dying from using DDT. People still die right and left from cancer and central nervous system disorders today that obviously have nothing to do with DDT.

DDT like global warming became the blame for everything. Scientific studies since that time have debunked these DDT myths and DDT is increasingly being approved for use again.

I understand that DDT was not the culprit in the bird problems either.

So from what I know the DDT ban was a political decision pushed by junk science politicians like Al Gore who never found a Silent Spring end of the world junk science hysteria he would not promote.

Do your own research and make your own judgment based on the latest scientific facts. Certainly do not get your information just from the same environmentalists that are defend their lies. It would be like watching Al Gore’s “Earth in the Balance” to find out scientific facts on global warming.

Here are a couple of links to get started.

http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html

http://www.junkscience.com/foxnews/fn120100.htm

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/12/7/144107.shtml

]]> By: Vic http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1401 Vic Sun, 11 May 2008 21:46:42 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/dddblog/2008/05/09/al-gores-new-flavor-of-deadly-kool_aid-is-still-deadly-kool_aid.html#comment-1401 You had me until you trashed the banning of DDT. I was a farm girl in the 50's who saw the birds born deformed and watched the population die off. The best thing that could have happened did happen when DDT was banned. In fighting the green demons, let's not lose touch with reality. My Dad used to say that if something will harm a bug's nerves, it will probably hurt mine. He was right. Farmer's died right and left from cancer and central nervous system disorders because of their use of the poisonous DDT. Please don't engage in foolishness yourself as you wage a legitimate war against stupidity. You had me until you trashed the banning of DDT. I was a farm girl in the 50’s who saw the birds born deformed and watched the population die off. The best thing that could have happened did happen when DDT was banned. In fighting the green demons, let’s not lose touch with reality. My Dad used to say that if something will harm a bug’s nerves, it will probably hurt mine. He was right. Farmer’s died right and left from cancer and central nervous system disorders because of their use of the poisonous DDT. Please don’t engage in foolishness yourself as you wage a legitimate war against stupidity.

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