The end of San Francisco nears
I have said it before and I will say it again San Francisco is a doomed city its debauchery has reached to high heaven and the angels are just awaiting their orders. It is not a matter of if a judgment is coming to San Francisco anymore it is just a matter of when it is coming and how it will come. I do not know if it will be a nuclear attack, a major earthquake and fire, a asteroid strike or something just as bad but it is coming sooner then you might think. Lot had better get out of town because you have proven that you cannot change the course of events in that city and you have been warned enough to leave. Soon that wicked city will join Sodom and Gomorrah and will be no more.
San Francisco fest features public sex with no arrests
San Francisco fest features public sex with no arrests
‘This is what the gay agenda is all about’
Posted: August 07, 2008
12:35 am Eastern© 2008 WorldNetDaily
Police officer on the streets, but apparently told not to enforce publicly nudity or indecency rules, during the recent “Up Your Alley” homosexual festival
Nude men engaged in multiple instances of public sex on a municipal street while police officers, on foot and bicycle, congregated nearby making no attempt to enforce public indecency regulations, according to a report on the latest homosexual-fest in San Francisco.
The behavior was documented in photographs of an event called “Up Your Alley,” which is sponsored by the same group that organizes the city’s fall “gay”-fest, the Folsom Street Fair, on which WND has reported.
LaBarbera, who had to edit photos to conceal full nudity in images from the public street festival before he could post them as part of his report, said there were exhibitionists who “walked around baring their genitals, with no fear of being arrested.” Other websites, to which WND is unable to link because of their graphic content, published fully explicit photographs of various public acts of sex and nudity. They featured explicit photographs of oral and anal sex between men and men urinating on each other, among other activities.
The Americans for Truth report follows the July 27 event, “one of the city’s two open-air celebrations of sadomasochism (euphemistically called the ‘leather’ lifestyle by practitioners),” AFT said. “It is telling to us that the same city whose mayor, Gavin Newsom (D), ignited the ’same-sex marriage’ crusade in California by illegally issuing ‘gay marriage’ licenses – openly tolerates and celebrates gross perversions, nudity and sexual lawlessness on its streets.”
A photograph revealing two men dressed in women’s clothing, along with a man in the background being whipped, as part of San Francisco’s “Up Your Alley” homosexual festival
The images captured in the photos were described by one WND reader as “vomit-inducing.”
“This is what the gay agenda is all about,” the reader said. “I’ll go even further and call [the images] depraved and disgusting.
“Remember, this is on the public streets of San Francisco,” the reader said.
“One San Francisco policeman told our volunteers that the police were instructed not to make arrests for indecency on the city streets at “Up Your Alley” – but merely to ‘contain’ the activity to the street fair, which encompassed several city blocks,” Americans for Truth reported.
“San Francisco’s extreme political correctness has turned cops into impotent Perversion Protectors,” the group said.
The organization said the events included whippings, public sex between men, and even advocacy for slavery, with one man wearing nothing but cuffs and chains.
“Homosexual activists mock and deride Americans For Truth relentlessly for exposing sordid realities like ‘Up Your Alley’ – and showing you what happens when sexual radicals come to dominate a major city,” LaBarbera said.
“They don’t want Americans to see this side of their agenda … But we must face reality and come to grips with the truth that ‘rights’ based on aberrant sex are not genuine civil rights,” he said.
“Like the pantless perverts wandering around in sneakers-only at ‘Up Your Alley,’ the liberals’ pro-homosexual ‘tolerance and diversity’ program is now fully exposed as a soulless and bankrupt ideology,” LaBarbera said. “According to its precepts, nothing can be judged as wrong (sexually-speaking) – except, of course, normal, historic Judeo-Christian mores.”
Date posted: Thursday, August 7th, 2008 11:44 am | Under category: American patriot topics, Christian discernment, Hatred toward Christianity, Mental illness, San Francisco, perverts, sexual promiscuity
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Hmmmmmm…. Curious………
I could have sworn that my Bible includes llines like “Judge not lest ye be judged” and “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.
I know I wouldn’t feel very comfortable saying the kinds of things you said in your “intro”. Even if I was saying them about you.
Perhaps you should read your entire Bible instead of just swearing on some versus without any regard to all of the rest of them. The Bible says Christians will judge the world and angels so I think we can judge what is sin. The versus talking about not judging is talking about not judging the motives and salvation of brethren, not unbelieving heathen.
As for casting the first stone, again this was talking to Israel about a daughter of Israel. The heathen Gentile nations were never under Jewish law and she would not have been stoned.
So this is not saying they we should not point out the sins of unbelievers but to not kill people for sins under Jewish law unless we ourselves were free from sin. The whole point of the law was to bring Jews to the Savior who would be merciful on sinners, deliver them from death and with His help get them to stop loving the sins that separated them from God. That is why Jesus told the woman to go and sin no more.
Under new covenant spiritual enlightenment we also should show people their sins and bring them to the Savior for forgiveness and help them to sin no more. But if they love continuing in their sins what is their fate and what is our task other than to warn them to repent?
What did Jonah do? He warned a whole nation that because of their evil they would be destroyed in forty days. They repented in sack cloth and ashes, hopefully San Francisco would be so wise, but does anyone see San Francisco doing likewise? The only reason for the delay in judgment is so that have the opportunity to make that choice.
I would not expect you to be comfortable saying the things I said and that is why I am saying them and not you.
Somehow I knew that you would claim some holier-than-thou “exemption” that allows you to spout your judgments. Funny how folks like you love to quote the Old Testament to support your superiority, but you conveniently overlook Jesus’ own words when they don’t support your unsupportably judgemental, haughty attitude.
As the bumper sticker says in Colorado Springs, in reply to Jimmy Dobson:
“FOCUS ON YOUR OWN DAMN FAMILY.”
And I bet you think Obama is arrogant?
The condemnation of homosexual perversion and sexual immorality is clear in both the Old and New Testament if you have a problem with that take that it up with God. I should not have to explained these things to any true Christian and a non believer will do as you did and just pick a verse out of scripture without any spiritual understanding.
If you will read my other posts on San Francisco I do not suggest that it will be judged just for sex sins, we all sin. I suggest the city will be judged for pridefully flaunting their immorality to the whole world and for open blasphemy against the Son of God. That is documented on this blog. Mocking the Creator of the universe is not a wise thing to do but I don’t suppose you really believe that Jesus was the Creator anyway.
Christians do focus on our family and that is why I warned Christian brethren to leave San Francisco. The people controlling that city are beyond repenting of their sins and seeking forgiveness. The only thing left for that city is judgment. You do not have to believe me if you do not wish. I do not claim to be a prophet, I do not know when judgment is coming and I am not speaking to those who will not hear.
Obama is a lot of things but humility probably is not one of his better known traits.
Sorry that you cannot see these things but making you see the Light is really not my responsibility.
In my religion,Jesus never once commented about homosexuality, one way or the other.
And,even being heterosexual, I am inordinately glad that I don’t subscribe to your understanding of “Christianity.”
Diogenes, I guess in your religion Jesus did not inspire the whole Bible and it was not the risen Jesus that was speaking in Revelation 22:15. The King James uses the word “dogs”. This was the name used for Sodomites. Having said that, homosexuality is not the unforgivable sin. Not excepting God’s Savior for atonement of one’s sins is the unforgivable sin.
My understanding of Christianity is that all have sinned (missed the mark) and separated themselves from a Holy God. God’s Son the Creator of all things who had no sin came and died in our place for our sins and God rose Him from the dead to eternal life. Now all who turn from our own self rightious ways, believe in His righteous to save us from our sins share in His eternal life in a spiritual body of souls called the Body of Christ.
Those that believe this will be saved those who reject what the Creator did for us at the Cross will eternally remain dead in their sins separated from a holy God.
That is the gospel, there is no other understanding of true Christianity.
That is the spiritual truth of salvation for individuals but the City of San Francisco will be judged soon because it is obviously a city in open rebellion against God.
“There is no other understanding of true Christianity.”
Funny how such a simple statement can betray a myriad of sins. Good luck to you in your self-appointed task of finding fault with others and glorifying your own belief system.
I don’t know whether to be more dismayed or more angry about such a perversion of a religion I believe in deeply.
Are you saying that Christians should say nothing to those that are heading toward their own doom? What kind of love it that? Why did God in the OT send prophets to warn the people to repent? Do you think God does not warn through His Church today? What do you think the great commission of the Church is all about? It is to warn people to receive the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ so that those who have ears to hear will escape God’s judgment.
I am trying to figure out what religion you believe in so deeply when you cannot grasp that Christianity teaches these things and that Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ not a religion. Two billion people claim to be Christians but how many of these just have a religion and not any personal relationship with Jesus Christ?
You’re a religious bigot pretending to “care” for “those people.” You gave it all away when you declared that you had the only true understanding of Christianity.
I’m not going to debate you anymore about it…. nothing will alter your high opinion of yourself, and the rightness of your judgmental nature. If you don’t read the words of Jesus to say you need to think twoce before rendering judgment on a fellow human being, you sure as heck won’t listen to a mere mortal like me.
Enjoy your self-righteous existence.
Your judging my motives that you could not possible know and then you tell me I should not be claiming a city that is openly flaunting its perversion will be judged? Did you even read the article I linked to?
There is only one true understanding of Christianity it is defined by the books of the New Testament. You might read all of it instead of just making up what you “think” Jesus said as you go along. I get rather tired of people telling me what Jesus said when they never ever read through the Bible even once in their entire lives. It is all the word of God not just the red letters.
In my post I gave my views about judgment that I believe is coming on a city because of its evil choices. We shall see. By the way, judgment is coming on this nation and this world as well but maybe not quite as soon. I did not declare the eternal judgment of any fellow human being that is God’s job alone.
You also have it all quite backwards. Those who reject Jesus are self-righteous because they think they can save themselves through their own works. Those who believe in Jesus are imputed His righteousness.
So in all your comments all you did was make accusations against me. you never answered any of my scriptural arguments. You call that a debate? I guess a liberal would. I even gave you the gospel of salvation but it never registered with you or at least you would not acknowledge it.
What you and your ilk are selling, I’m not buying. It’s a load of self-righteous crapola.
Have a good weekend. Go find a homosexual to beat up on.
Sorry you cannot understand the simple gospel.
A word of advise. You had better watch what you say in public. You could be charged with hate speech for telling me to find a homosexual to beat up.
Have a nice weekend.
Yeah, thanks for the legal advice. You understand that about as much as your “religion”. A sarcastic comment highlighting your homophobic self-righteous sickness would hardly constitute an order for your to shoot a homosexual. So if or when you do it, it’s all on your dime.
I understand that it was a sarcastic statement others who do not read all of your rants may not.
By the way, I admit to being homophobic on this blog. We should fear homosexuals because those living this lifestyle are a danger to themselves and all of society. People should fear this lifestyle being accepted and even forced on society. If you don’t believe me about the dangers ask the Surgeon General or the health and life insurance companies. Homosexuals males on average die at least a decade sooner than heterosexual males. They spread VD much more than heterosexuals and they are now spreading deadly staph infections among themselves and are in danger of spreading it to the general population. In addition, there are moral dangers to society as evidenced in their parades and displays.
Gee, if everyone thought like you we would just allow more death and more degeneration of our society and never even make a judgment on what we know to be the truth. Then we would just come on a blog like mine that points out these things, quote the Bible to stick up for their debauchery and at the same time tell everyone how deeply we believe in a religion that condemns these things. Talk about total confusion!
I haven’t read your whole blog. And, based upon what I have seen, I wouldn’t want to.
But I sincerely apologize. I hadn’t realized that you freely admitted to being a homophobe. Frankly, I can’t recall EVER coming across anybody with your type of brain disorder that would actually admit to being so bigoted. For most people, that’s something you keep to yourself, because you realize how ugly that part of your personality is. You, instead, flaunt it.
You, sir, are a moron.
I explained why I fear Homos to you in the last comment I wrote but you sir have no reading comprehension as displayed in all your accusations on this post. I have yet to see a sound argument on anything, only rude name calling. Even a moron can see that.
Sadly, people like “diogenes” are all too common.
They cannot even see when they contradict themselves, which this “diogenes” has done so many times as to appear to be a twisted pretzel.
They accuse us of the very things of which they are guilty; it is satanically-inspired projection.
In the modern meaning of the word, a “bigot” irrationally clings to his “intolerant” views. Well, today the meaning of irrationality, tolerance, and especially truth, is entirely up for grabs — anyone, including “diogenes” can be called a “bigot.” (In the historical context, I don’t think I’d mind being called a “bigot.”)
Truth has that property of being exclusive when compared to untruth, and a growing majority of the world’s people cannot or will not accept this. Jesus said that he is the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to to God the father except through him.
Almost as sad as the likelihood that “diogenes” is unsaved, is his obviously intolerant attitude to anyone who doesn’t share “his religion.”
Don, I commend you for your exceptional patience and clear explanation to “diogenes.” Perhaps someone, maybe even him will benefit. But the time for that is growing shorter by the day.
Brett, Thanks for your support it means more than you know. I sometimes fail to see why people just will not believe the simple message of Christianity but they will believe in their convoluted religions even though they never keep the teachings that are required by it.
Hey, guys, don’t worry about me. I’m only intolerant towards intolerance.
If you were so sure that your narrowmindedness was the only true way, then you owe it to others to point them in the right direction, not judge them the way that’s done in here.
As for me, I’m pretty sure that Jesus was a lot more compassionate than any of you even try to be. The pridefulness you exhibit is disgusting.
But I’m not debating this any more.. your smugness is sickening
Your not debating anymore? Debating? You only make accusations. You actually mean your only intolerant toward Christian teaching. Typical Liberal!
Jesus said narrow is the way that leads to life and few find it (Mt 7:14). These people don’t get there by flaunting their sins in public and mocking the Savior and you are not helping them by ignoring their rebellion against God. Until people acknowledge their sins you cannot point them in the right direction.
In the past God always sent His prophets to warn of judgment and give people a chance to repent before judgment. Now the written word of God itself judges all things and those who understand it ought to be teaching it before those doing such demented things bring judgment on themselves and on this nation.
If Jesus was not more compassionate then all of us we would all be dead. What is really disgusting is people like you that say you are a Christian but deny the words of God by what you say.
Indeed, Jesus does have much more compassion than any of us. Please read about him in the New Testament book of John (the gospel of John, that is).
Diogenes, because a person is certain of their views does not make them “prideful.”
Say you are helping a foreign visitor to understand our traffic laws; Let’s say you insist that a red, octagonal sign that says “stop” means that oncoming traffic must stop and yield to opposing traffic, you. The visitor disagrees and calls you “prideful.” What do you do? You have just communicated a truth to this person, and it was rejected and your character has just been slighted. You could have saved yourself some trouble if you had said, “ok, I can understand your position, ‘your traffic beliefs’ are different from min; do as you will.” You would have appeared sophisticated and high and broad-minded, but what good would that do the visitor when he subsequently disobeys that law, kills a unsuspecting family in another car and lands in prison for vehicular homicide? Would you not share some of the responsibility for this crime? What is the most loving thing to do here? Would it not be to warn the visitor that his life and that of others are at stake and that he must alter his “traffic beliefs” to conform to reality, even at the risk of you being hated and slandered in return?
Real love is not an emotion, it is an action-verb. In an act of real love, one acts for the greatest good through the highest means for the beloved, bearing whatever this act costs.
Jesus is the supreme example of this. God knows we have a problem with moral standards. We all know in our hearts that we must keep them (even our own imperfect ones). We know (when we are honest) that we don’t even measure-up to our own standards. Well what about God’s standards? Of course we don’t measure-up. In fact, we tend to shun and even hate those who remind us of our shortcomings (whether by their words or the lives they live). That is why you see so many good people “deconstructed.” So, if we tend to hate these people, we tend to hate God even more.
God knows this, he also knows that nobody can “dig themselves out” of the problem on their own. So God has a problem here: he wants to be merciful, but he must be just: He can’t let my shoplifting go unpunished any more than he can ignore Hitler’s atrocities. The only way to be just is to punish wrongdoing. In the same way that a dead fly can spoil an entire batch of perfume, a single, little, “insignificant” sin on our parts would spoil the entirety of God’s Heaven. That’s why no sinner can go there. That’s why the penalty for sin is death (for our bodies) and eternal separation from God (for our spirits). BUT GOD IS NOT FAIR — IF HE WERE, WE WOULD ALL BE DOOMED. God wants to be merciful, since we can pay the price (unless we want to die eternally), then someone else has to. That’s why one part of our triune-God, Jesus, chose to take the blame and the consequences for all sin upon himself. We bore this because he knows we can’t and live to tell of it. By taking our punishment upon himself, he has fulfilled the “legal” requirements of justice. Remember, he did this even when we (of the world) hated him. That’s why in the book of John it says: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
Diogenes, Don and I (and so many others) are not perfect, we don’t deserve God’s blessings any more than anyone else in the world. Think of us as beggars who have come to you, a fellow beggar, and are showing you the way to the food.
Please don’t confuse our certainty for pride, we are certain, but we are also polite to you, though you may continue to name us as hateful things.
Why do we do this; why do we subject ourselves to the scorn (and worse) of you and others? Do we get “goodie points” with God that offset our sins? No, rather, we are interested in you and others because God is interested in you all. See when we admitted to God that we have a problem, and accepted his gift of Jesus’ sacrifice as the solution, God adopted us into his family. In a real sense, we are simply following our father’s example, because we are now interested in what he is interested in — that of saving as many people from their default, doomed condition, into an eternal life of unspeakable joy with God where there are no wrongs, only rights.
Diogenes, our job is not to save (we don’t have that power), but to be ambassadors of God, helping others to understand his unmerited favor (grace) to them.
So Diogenes, we have explained to you about the “stop sign.” Will you not head our earnest and loving warning?
Important correction to the above post:
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God wants to be merciful, since we CANNOT pay the price (unless we want to die eternally), then someone else has to. That’s why one part of our triune-God, Jesus, chose to take the blame and the consequences for all sin upon himself. HE bore this because he knows we can’t and live to tell of it.
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Hey diogenes, moron, read what was in the article. Let’s forget about Christianity for a moment shall we? Let’s forget about what you call “tolerance” which is nothing more then your insanity and depravity. Let’s use common decency for a minute.
“fully explicit photographs of various public acts of sex and nudity. They featured explicit photographs of oral and anal sex between men and men urinating on each other, among other activities.”
Now what sane society puts up with people in the streets urinating on one another? If you promote or accept these kinds of perversions then you are sick and depraved. You are so far gone that you are not worth another second of anybodys time. I am not gonna sit here and coddle your ass because I am a Christian. If you promote this kind of behavior then you are my political enemy. I have no reason to be nice to you. As a matter of fact I have every reason to work day and night to make sure your kind with your mental sickness does not come into full political power. I have a responsiblity to make sure the children of this nation can actually be children without these digusting vile people walking my streets.
Furthermore, you know damn well what God has to say on these matters. There is nothing more sick and depraved then trying to use God’s holy word to justify this sickness. I have nothing else to say to you. If you don’t like truth then get out of here. But I will fight you and your kind to my dying breath to make sure your sick brains are not allowed to push any of your digusting vile propaganda on the children of this nation. I give you the big middle finger to your notion of tolerance.
Chome, actually you are right, I have been to easy on Mr. Degenerate.
He is as much the problem as the people in the streets doing these things because his support enables them to do what they do in public. People like him therefore are also a real danger to our children.
Chrome, you have NOT spoken the truth in LOVE and you may just have driven Diogenes even further away from the truth; and not just him, but other unbelievers who may have read your post.
Perhaps that’s not your concern, but it is our Lord’s concern. You communicated truth to Diogenes all right; and you burned the ground under him. Unfortunately, other people in the body will have to clean up the mess you just made, if that’s even possible at this point.
Brett, I have to disagree with you on this issue. Chrone has a right to be angry it is his kids that will be corrupted. What father will not stand up and protect his own famility. Those that do not are worse than infidels
Read all of what has been said on the comments Diogens posted on the two posts. Diogenes was told the truth several times and he is not interested in the truth all he wants to do is condemn Christians who take a stand to condemn what is going in San Francisco and the homosexual agenda to pervert the nation we live in. If this immorality is allowed to corrupt our children it will destroy this nation.
The Church is much to blame for conditions in California and elsewhere because too many Christians are passively sitting in their pews hearing how God wants them to be worldly successful and rich rather than actively fighting the political and spiritual war that will lead the whole nation to economic and spiritual poverty. Just look at our Presidential candidates.
Did Jesus tell his disciples to keep begging people that would not receive the truth or did he tell them to move on and shake the dust off off of their feet on those cities that would not hear? We are not to cast our pearls before swine. Those that are enabling the moral destruction of our nation and our children are just as much to blame as those who take part in their perversion. Christians should be angry. What do you think God thinks of this rebellion against His natural order and their open blasphemy against His Son? For these reasons judgment is coming on the world.
The Church is told to give the gospel to the whole world so they will have a chance to receive it but the scriptures also says that we will judge the world. If we cannot or will not even judge wickedness in our own communities why should we be trusted to judge the world in the future?
You say others in the body will have to clean up the mess implying that the Church can reach people who are actively working against the Christian message. I see no record of that anywhere. The Body is hardly cleaning up the sins of the Body yet paving the way for those who oppose the teachings of the Bible to believe it.
Did the angels preach to Sodom and Gomorrah and were the people in that city listening to Lot’s instruction? Or were they so far gone into perversion that the angles just told Lot to get out of the city because the decision to destroy it had already been made by God. San Francisco from all observations has also reached that point. If not it certainly is not going to be saved from destruction by those that are enabling their continual perversion. Who’s head will the deaths of those who live in this city be on if those enabling the increasing perversion are not openly exposed for what they are?
Diogenes will no longer be posting comments on this blog. Even if he tries again to switch names and emails.
Don, I respectfully disagree with you:
Chrone has a right to be angry it is his kids that will be corrupted. What father will not stand up and protect his own famility. Those that do not are worse than infidels
My argument was not so much with what he said by HOW. Sure he’s angry, I’m I think it’s obvious that he expressed his *righteous anger* sinfully.
Read all of what has been said on the comments Diogens posted on the two posts.
I have. He is everything he accuses us of being and more.
Diogenes was told the truth several times and he is not interested in the truth
You don’t know that for sure.
I was somewhat like Diogenes before I came to the Lord. And when I was like that, I was secretly interested in what was being said, and how Christians reacted. God was very patient — He used all of the believers I abused in this way to draw me to Himself — not a single one was wasted (though they may think so).
If this immorality is allowed to corrupt our children it will destroy this nation.
Of course we agree about this; that still does not justify Chrome’s attack. He could have expressed his anger without personal attacks — he could have handled it the way you generally do.
It looks to me that Chrome not only hates the sin, he hates the sinner. Is this not what we are constantly accused of doing? Generally we don’t, but the few times we do put our personal witness to the torch.
The Church is much to blame for conditions in California and elsewhere because too many Christians are passively sitting in their pews hearing how God wants them to be worldly successful and rich rather than actively fighting the political and spiritual war that will lead the whole nation to economic and spiritual poverty. Just look at our Presidential candidates.
Agreed, but that does not justify Chrome’s attitude or the way he expressed it.
Christians should be angry. What do you think God thinks of this rebellion against His natural order and their open blasphemy against His Son?
Be angry but sin not. (Eph 4:26)
For these reasons judgment is coming on the world.
Of course, but WE are not supposed to “burn” people.
Sometimes the most loving thing to do is to tell someone a hard truth, but that’s entirely different from an outburst of personal attack.
The Church is told to give the gospel to the whole world so they will have a chance to receive it…
The Gospel is the good news that Christ made the way for us to be reconciled with God. Show me in Chrome’s post where he did ANYTHING that was constructive. Though I don’t see the entire situation as God does, I strongly suspect that his comments set the Kingdom back in some minds — at the very least, he justified several unbelievers’ accusations against Christ by virtue of the behavior of those who claim His name.
…but the scriptures also says that we will judge the world. If we cannot or will not even judge wickedness in our own communities why should we be trusted to judge the world in the future?
Our position as judges in this (legal) sense is in the future. What you are referring to is not simply the discerning of right and wrong, it is legal judgment that leads to condemnation. That is not our position at this time. Do we judge angels now? (That almost certainly won’t come until the Millennium and/or the Great White Throne Judgement.)
Nevertheless, we should “test the spirits,” discern evil, consider “fruits,” and be ready and actively fighting evil with good. (Rom 12:21) Christians are not called to fight “fire-with-fire.”
You say others in the body will have to clean up the mess implying that the Church can reach people who are actively working against the Christian message. I see no record of that anywhere.
Well Don, you have met a member of the body that does just that. This happens to be what God called my wife and me to do. We have spent much of our adult lives helping people who have been badly “burned” by the world and/or the Church find their way to Jesus. It’s difficult and thankless work, and most believers could care less — such is our field.
Did the angels preach to Sodom and Gomorrah and were the people in that city listening to Lot’s instruction? Or were they so far gone into perversion that the angles just told Lot to get out of the city because the decision to destroy it had already been made by God. San Francisco from all observations has also reached that point. If not it certainly is not going to be saved from destruction by those that are enabling their continual perversion.
Don, how can you say this? You have the mind of Christ in this? Do you know who, or what God sent to these cities prior to judgement? Did He send only Lot? We don’t know. Likewise, we don’t know if SF is too far gone. We can warn them that it looks that way, but Jesus did not give US instructions to wipe their dust off our feet. He didn’t give us permission to condemn THEM, only their sin.
Who’s head will the deaths of those who live in this city be on if those enabling the increasing perversion are not openly exposed for what they are?
You can’t force them to make the right choice.
Love works for the greatest good through the highest means for the beloved.
For some of us, it means exposing hard truths along with the Gospel (as you do). All of us who can should at least follow the issues and vote our conscience. Some of us work directly with these people. Others are prayer warriors.
Blood will be on the hands of those who willfully neglected that the Spirt tried to move them to do.
Yet we damage these efforts and bring harm to the Kingdom when make personal attacks.
Diogenes will no longer be posting comments on this blog. Even if he tries again to switch names and emails.
That’s too bad. He may never come to Jesus, but then, he might (I did). You’ve decided that we won’t know here. Nevertheless, I suspect that considerable damage has been done already:
It was pretty clear from Diogenes comments that he was an unbeliever, so I expected his abuse. Chrome, on the other hand, should known better than to respond in kind.
Lest you think that I have an insufficient grasp of the situation, I do get angry — VERY ANGRY. In fact, anger is a problem I have. He is helping me to express my righteous anger in constructive ways instead of just “blowing-out” and leaving our Lord to pick-up the pieces. The apostle James has a lot to say about this, and both Chrome and I need to heed his instruction.
One again Don, I appreciate your work and the risk you are taking by expressing yourself in this forum. My rebuke towards Chrome was a demonstration of that appreciation.
This is not meant to be an evangelism Blog. The Blog is why the world is becoming Demented Delusional and Dumb. Diogenes was banned because he used vulgar language even if he did just use the first letters of what the words meant. He was also banned because he does not get it that this Blog is not a endless spring board to attack everything said about the perversion of homosexuality.
Who said Chrome sinned by being angry? I am not going to judge him for being angry with someone who enables perversion. Jesus called religious people a den of snakes did he sin?
Again you think everything is about evangelism. Chrome was expressing his opinion about the posted article and the amoral position that diogenes took. I do not think every time you express your opinion that you have to give the gospel of salvation to someone. Besides, diogenes was given the gospel of salvation at least twice and never responded.
Actually, Paul does tell us to judge temporal matters now. Are you implying we should never oppose evil in the world because we might hurt some unbelievers feelings? Has it ever occurred to you that some people need to get their feeling hurt and need to be corrected and their sins need to be pointed out to them, in order for them to realize that they are a sinner that needs a Savior? That was the whole point of the Ten commandments, condemnation for sin to force one to realize they needed a Savior. Did God sugar coat them? Did Jesus?
Well if evangelizing this type is your ministry you might have responded to him before he got himself banned and you and him could have talked somewhere else on your own.
Again I disagree with your position. You seem to think someone’s salvation depends on what we say to them or we do not say to them. It does not. That is God’s job. No one comes unless the Holy Spirit draws them. People are saved if they have ears to hear and believe. We are to proclaim the truth we cannot convert the man. He should have heard and if he did not it is because he was blinded by someone. I am not saying his eyes might not be opened one day but he sure is not receptive to the gospel now.
Both Diogenes and Chrome claimed to be Christians. I am not saying that everything Chrome said was right but then again everything everyone says it not entirely right and rather than correct the one who is taking a moral position why not correct the one who is taking the immoral position? If Diogenes did not claim to be a Christian I would not have wasted half the time on a obviously deaf person. Supposedly you can reason with believers but reasoning on moral issues with unbelievers is like spitting into the wind.
I understand your position and I understand Chromes position and I understand my position and I understand Diogenes position and I don’t expect any of us to agree on every single point. You have the right to express your opinion as does Chrome and Diogenes but I do expect people to “try” to address the post, which Chrome did by the way, but I have little tolerance for vulgarity on my blogs and I am getting less tolerant with people who just waste my time because I do not have time to waste.
Don, I disagree with a great deal of what just wrote and what you are implying about my position.
I could respond to your points and questions above, but I have the distinct sense at this point that you would consider it a waste of your time. (Though I will, if you want.)
I’ll leave this thread with these to remarks:
1. Chrome’s post was inexcusable, and you should have rebuked him instead of supporting him.
2. I was unaware Diogenes was banned until you lectured me in your post prior to this, so I could not have done as you suggested.
Now, If you want to ban me, I’m fine with that.
See you when He calls & Maranatha!
You have a right to disagree with my view as do I with your criticism of Chrome. I do not know why you think I would ban you for just giving your opinion. Your overreacting a bit.
I was not implying that you were wasting my time. I was talking about trolls wasting my time.
It is not my job to rebuke anyone on these comments. I just try to give my opinion like everyone else when I think they are appropriate. In the case of Chrome I understand his position. I know what he said sounded hard to some but I think he meant it to be hard for darn good reason and think he had good motive. Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade in life when someone is abetting the early death of millions of people through disease. Sometimes you even have to fight wars to protect your loved ones. Christians are not pacifists. Love sometimes means taking a stand to protect your loved ones.
I know you might have been unaware that diogenes was banned he was banned for what he said on a different post that was deleted. He is not banned from reading this Blog only from commenting on them. I am almost sure he will read this if you want to publicly give your him your email so he can contact you.
Thanks for clarifying Don.
I will mention that my call is not any more evangelistic than yours, I’m simply trying to be available and bold when I sense the Spirit wants me to communicate His Gospel. My true calling involves a lot of personal interaction, generally over a long period of time. While the Evangelist may reap the bulk of a harvest, God has sent me after the “gleanings.” And, of course, it is not we who are actually doing this, but Him in us.
Chrome, while I stand by my comments, I understand where you are coming from: I too have kids and I am sick of what’s going on. Sick enough of it enough to make comments similar to yours, sick enough to do things I would consider even worse. I admire your zeal and your protectiveness. Please consider what I’ve said when you talk with Him. I leave you in Christs’ peace.
Diogenes, judging from your comments, I have been where you are now. God had a lot of patience with my intellectual concerns, and He sent many people to help me work through them, so that the more important inward parts of me could be exposed to His life-saving work. I am willing to be one of those people for you if you want to have an honest (and polite) conversation. My email is Brett.Blatchley@Repartie.net .
Best to All
Thanks Brett, very well said. May God be with you in your worthy mission.
I intended to explain my position on this issue here but then I saw Brett’s last post and I changed my mind. I basically agree or at the very least understand you all. And I just wanted to say that I too want to wish you good luck at your mission, Brett.
(okay, let’s see whether that avatar is going to show up after i hit the submit button :P)
yup
You made my day! Brett has improved his appearance as well.
Yup! Thanks for that info Don — my default picture was pretty goofy!
SAN FRANCISCO BEFORE THE “BIG ONE” !
(Yes, it still gives youngsters the “right” to view public depravity!)
Decent folks should pray for FEAT (Francisco’s Earthquake And Termination). I left off the “San” which refers to sainthood or holiness because San Francisco is neither saintly nor holy. If someone insists on praying to some saint, he or she can pray to San Andreas that he will soon jiggle his Fault until San Fransicko has no more faults! Are you shocked or disgusted that I suggest that prayer should be directed towards SF’s destruction? To tell the truth, what I’m suggesting is a Biblical thought and I will explain. I Corinthians, chapter 5 refers to someone in an early Christian church who was guilty of a gross sexual sin. Paul the Apostle wrote that the other church members, all of whom knew about the sin, were wrong in failing to mournfully pray that the guilty one would be removed from their presence, that in fact they should have gone so far as to deliver him to Satan for the destruction of his flesh. If it was Biblical to go to such an extreme so that the “cancer” would not spread throughout that early assembly, it is just as Biblical and as much needed to pray today that the godless and dangerous “cancer” called San Francisco will be terminated so that it will not spread beyond its borders! Incidentally, two fascinating and timely articles on Google and Yahoo right now that the you-know-who folks should read are “God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up” (which uses reverse psychology for a good purpose) and “Dangerous Radicals of the Religious Right.” Concerned, Lou
You are wrong about this. Paul was talking about an individual believer in the Church that was flaunting his sin and he said to deliver the man for destruction of the flesh to save his soul. Paul was not talking about calling down judgment on a whole city. In fact, when Peter and John suggested that they do that on a village Jesus rebuked them. We are forbidden to do that because we are to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord through salvation in Jesus Christ not to call down judgment on lost sinners. Vengeance is of the Lord.
LK 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village
We cannot stop the spread of sin in a world that will not believe in God’s Son and that is why God’s judgment will come. We can warn people to repent and accept God’s Savior before God’s wrath does come on them. As citizens of a nation Christians should try to change it for the better through good example on earth and through preaching the word and that is why we are called salt and light.
I was trying to scan through, did ya’ll ever mention that homosexuality was one of the common practices of Sodom and Gomorrah? It was prevalant throughout the empire. They were a very promiscuous and devious people committing many sins. Also, we have surpassed them with our sins and activities as a whole.
Reading the comments I am really struck by how sensitive and thin skinned we are.Nobody can be told anymore, we all want love without the discipline. Best not to read the Bible then, as it offends. I agree with you chrome, ( not the moron part) If I’d known about this site I probably would’ve said the same. This is why the churches are in such a sad state now. Nobody is confronted with the truth, as we don’t want to upset them, as they might leave. Where is God in all this. Aren’t we called, and kept by Him. Isn’t our assurance in Him. With all respect Brett sometimes people need to hear our passion about what we believe. If we leave our Father because of something said to us, maybe we never belonged to Him. I am a Christian with a passion for the truth. I do get angry, say the wrong thing, do I believe that God can turn it around for good. I know He can. Did I sin in my anger. I did, but I am not the deciding factor in anyone’s salvation.” The Word is living and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart”. Heb 4: 12. This world is such a wicked place, and we need to be uncompromising in our stand for the truth
Good points Jude.
Jesus said that we would be hated. I can come-on pretty strong sometimes, and I’ve often prayed that God would help me to “hold-my tongue” (or thoughts) when I can’t contribute something edifying, and to help me to be bold and clear when I can. That said, if someone hates me, I want it to be because they hate Jesus, not because I’m being hateful.
Don,
My guess is that you are more likely to die from spontaneous combustion than God is likely to destroy San Francisco. God doesn’t really hate San Francisco enough to destroy the city. However, HE is preventing the Giants from ever winning another World Series. Hope HE lets the Sharks win the Stanley Cup. You think San Jose is far enough away from San Francisco to avoid devastation? God should definitely destroy Oakland while he’s at it - the Raiders and Athletics really suck!
Your guess will be proven wrong like usual. I bet you lose a lot of money on wrong guesses. Besides speaking for God you are a sports addict that obviously watches too much TV.