Let me clarify something said in the first paragraph that is not correct. For Catholics it is not a wafer “representing” the body of Christ for Catholics it is the “Body of Christ” having said that read what the Catholic League president said.

He said the student took the Body of Christ hostage. If your going to claim a wafer is the Body of Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ can be taken hostage you are wackier than the student.

I think you also may like to read a follow-up article on a professor’s response to this.

Death threats for stealing ‘Body of Christ’

A student at the University of Central Florida says he’s now getting death threats after he stole and later returned a wafer representing the “Body of Christ” from a Catholic Mass in Orlando.

Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented on the case, stating:

“For a student to disrupt Mass by taking the Body of Christ hostage – regardless of the alleged nature of his grievance – is beyond hate speech. That is why the UCF administration needs to act swiftly and decisively in seeing that justice is done. All options should be on the table, including expulsion.”

I guess it should not surprise us that birds of a feather flock together. Just don’t confuse yourself or anyone else by calling yourself an Evangelical Christian. Christians should know what heretical bird brains these people really are, if not they will soon find out.

Brian McLaren: Emissary for Barack Obama to Evangelicals - CWN

I am not a Republican. I am a Christian, and no Republican or Democrat who wars against God’s moral law and defends gay marriage, child killing or using human embryos for experimentation will get my vote. You can take that to the bank. McLaren has no moral compass because he rejects God’s Word as his only standard. You will notice a distinct correlation between those who reject God’s Word and their support for pro-death, pro-gay marriage candidates, and every other cause that is a revolt against heaven. That’s why the emerging church leaders and followers are up to their armpits in Obama campaign materials. When God’s Word gets thrown out, it affects every aspect of our lives and ethics. Ideas have practical consequences for men and nations.

I have to agree with Paul Proctor. Can you see Paul asking the elders to gather for a reading of heretical books so that they can teach against them? If I recall correctly early Christians burned such books. Yet, here in this on-line Christian bookstore they just offer any heresy for anyone to read and they justify it by using the disclaimer “read with discernment” or “check everything out with the Bible”

Well, looking at the state of the church today, isn’t it quite obvious that discernment is lacking in most of the church? Have you taken a survey of how many people in Christian churches have even read the Bible? I have news, it is not the majority. So can these biblically illiterate people discern what is truth from lies when the author offers 90 percent truth mixed with 10 percent deadly deception?

Perhaps they are buying the book to get some understanding on a current new popular teaching but if they are they really ought to read the writings of Christian scholars who are informed, have checked out the teaching with the Bible and can speak on that issue biblically. Instead, the Christian book stores make it very easy for the uneducated, undiscerning and the gullible to get a one sided heretical view directly from the horse’s-behind.

Often pastors are influenced by these heresies and spread them and even if they have the wisdom to reject the teachings the book usually still ends up in the church library for others to read.

Granted, some scholars will need to read these books to critique the book but they do not need to go to a Christian book store to get the book.

I guess some bookstores see no problem in making money off of deceptive heretical garbage and that is one reason why one deceptive book after another becomes a church small group study. After all, the group leader found this interesting sounding book in a Christian bookstore and it does quote Bible verses. Just ask the Oprah clones where they get their books?

The bottom-line is that this is all about the bottom-line. You are certainly free to run your book store anyway you want but if you are knowingly selling heresy maybe you should not call your business a Christian book store.

Paul Proctor — LifeWay says: Read With Discernment

Apparently, this is what they came up with to justify offering their third-party distributor’s problematic products through their search engine - just claim they are “relevant,” “of value” and “strictly” for the benefit of pastors, seminary students and ministry leaders doing “critical study or research.”

Since when are pastors, seminary students and ministry leaders immune to the seductive and intoxicating words of false teachers? If swayed with unbiblical instruction, worldly philosophies and pragmatic principles, will they not pass them along to their unsuspecting brothers and sisters in Christ who trust them for solid scriptural guidance?

Then what do you suppose happens when a concerned church member speaks up and challenges the erroneous teachings that are brought in from said leadership? Well, I can tell you that all too often they’re accused of causing division and disunity in the fellowship by questioning the leadership’s authority and wisdom and are promptly shown the door.

What a great way to undermine the Gospel and initiate a paradigm shift in the overall direction and purpose of the church, wouldn’t you say? And to think it can all be carried out under the radar because the instigator pulls it off with a book he or she writes that makes it into a church they never even have to visit to persuade.

Or is LifeWay just postulating these excuses because it’s easier and cheaper than having to perpetually police their third-party distributor’s offerings for the protection of customers?

Moreover, where did Jesus, Paul or any of those from the early church tell us in scripture that it was permissible to reward the enemies of Christ with our patronage for purposes of “scholarly study?” Seeing as that money goes to help support their causes, enhance their lifestyles, advance their agendas and further spread their erroneous teachings, wouldn’t that make gullible customers not only “partakers” of their “evil deeds” but also cosponsors of their erroneous endeavors as well?

But, if this is to be LifeWay’s template for handling controversial publications, then why not offer the works of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Alice Bailey, Anton LaVay, Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and Larry Flynt for “scholarly study?” Just imagine the list of infamous names and titles that could be assembled under this stated rationale.

Better yet, why not just take the word “Christian” out of LifeWay’s name altogether? That would free them up to “be all things to all people” and spare those who don’t shop secular bookstores a lot of confusion and calamity.

You see, the heart of the problem is this:

Many of today’s Christian bookstores, like the countless crowd-pleasing churches and ministries out there, unequally yoked themselves long ago to gurus, groups, businesses and organizations that do not share their values and convictions to get the numbers up. Try as they may to justify it with pragmatic reasoning and evangelistic goals, it is still in direct opposition to the Word and Will of God. And until they recognize this and repent of it, the situation will not improve.

Father Jonathan Morris makes a statement below that I might expect from some in the Catholic Church but I certainly did not expect from him. He equates the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints with fundamentalists of all religions.

The Catholic Church has a fundamentalist view itself. Much of its teaching is very fundamental Christianity although in my opinion, some of it is really their own distorted interpretation of the Christian fundamentals. So it seems to me that you are the pot calling the kettle black.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints is a cult of a cult. Are you saying the Mormon Church has correct doctrine and only those who more strictly hold to their doctrinal foundations are wrong? In other words, are you saying that mainline Mormonism and moderate Islam are alright because they distort their original inspired scriptures?

Are you then really suggesting that all religions take out scriptures that are offensive to others so we all can get along in the world? That would mean that you believe in Universalism. They probably have a position for you at the U.N. However, you should know that Christianity teaches that Jesus is the only way to God. Jesus said this fundamental truth would bring conflict even among members of the same family. So do you think Christian doctrine is fraudulent?

Finally, your attack on all fundamentalism really could be seen as a cheep shot at fundamental Protestants who you therefore also accuse of distorting God’s face and voice. There is only one face and voice of God and that face and voice can only be reliably found in the Holy Scriptures, that is why we have the infallible scriptures known as the Bible. Those who believe that are often called Christian fundamentalists because they believe the fundamentals of their scriptures. So either you do not believe there are scriptures to be taken as fundamental truth or you think only your religion can give us the correct interpretation of those fundamentals. In either case, you are fundamentally wrong. Further, if Catholics had the only correct fundamentals of the faith, as they claim, you have just attacked your own religion.

So with that display of wisdom why should I buy your book?

FOXNews.com - The Promise: God’s Purpose and Plan for When Life Hurts - Opinion

Fundamentalist views of all types distort God’s face and voice and are often the very cause for the tragic manipulation of the weak. Likewise, many modern depictions of God as distant and uninterested in our lives keep us from tapping into the natural and spiritual mechanisms we have within us to come through suffering as better people and not bitter people.

Since I am traveling in these days before the pope’s arrival, I don’t have time to write much more, but I couldn’t refuse expressing my concern for the victims of the fundamentalist sect in Texas and every other misuse of religion for selfish purposes.

Damn Obama, read the context, you do not know what you are talking about. The Sermon on the Mount was telling the children of God how they are to treat others in the Kingdom, it was not telling the children of God how they should treat all the sinners in the world. But what should we expect from a heretical universalist who thinks that everyone will be saved? There also is nothing obscure about that passage in Romans and similar words about homosexuals are found in other places in scripture. The scriptures clearly indicate that those who continue flaunting these sins showing that they will not repent of them will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

ewsmax.com - Obama: Sermon on Mount OKs Same-Sex Unions

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told a crowd at Hocking College in Nelsonville, Ohio, Sunday that he believes the Sermon on the Mount justifies his support for legal recognition of same-sex unions. He also told the crowd that his position in favor of legalized abortion does not make him “less Christian.”"I don’t think it [a same-sex union] should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state,” said Obama. “If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans.” (See video here) St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans condemns homosexual acts as unnatural and sinful.

Carter and Gore know very well how to use psychological pier pressure and brain washing tactics. They stack the deck with a rousing speech using junk science mixed with biblical language taken out of context and apply it to a hyped man caused stewardship problem that is not even hinted at in scripture.

Without any opposing viewpoint offered what-so-ever to Al Gores junk science they then take a quick show of hands and dare anyone to descent and subject themselves to stoning. Then they tell the world the vote was unanimous. That is the tactics used by these socialistic fascists. They twist truth to support their own agenda of deception, global governance and and secular humanistic control over the world. Hitler, Stalin and Mao would be proud. Shame on the leaders of these churches that are involved in this satanic deception,  they are incredibly gullible because they do not know the prophetic scriptures and they have lost any ability to discern fiction from truth.

clipped from frontpagemag.com Naturally, Carter loved Gore’s climate scare-mongering and warnings against dissent. “How many of you think we should join Al Gore in being one of the strongest voices on earth?” the former president enthusiastically asked.  ”Does anyone disagree? OK, now you see that was a unanimous vote. Thank you very much.”Ostensibly distressed over theological “fundamentalism” among Southern Baptists, Carter’s new coalition of left-leaning Baptists seems to prefer a political fundamentalism of the left that tolerates no skepticism about the most alarmist Global Warming theories.

“Christian” hypocrites brought together by the peanut farmer can build what on the house of God? Answer: peanut shells.

clipped from www.newswithviews.com As far as I’m concerned, outgoing SBC president Frank Page, who incidentally, declined the invitation to attend, had it right when he called the meeting a “smoke-screen left-wing liberal agenda.” Carter can preach Christian unity all he wants, but the fact is, he was the one who officially spurned the Southern Baptist Convention on a sop box back in 2000. If anyone is guilty of promoting division among Baptists, it is the presidential peanut farmer from Georgia.

I think I will lose my lunch. These “Christians rounded up by the Leftist social gospel pushing Jimmy Carter apparently neither know the Bible nor can they discern truth. Al Gore again compares his hyped global warming to the rise of the Nazis. He is correct in this. Eco-fascists like Al Gore plan to shove there global agenda down everyone’s throats to redistribute wealth and gain global governance. They are just like the Nazis Fascists.

clipped from www.onenewsnow.com The Tennessean in Nashville describes Gore’s speech this way: “With a green-colored Bible in one hand and his familiar red laser pointer in the other, former vice president and Nobel prize winner Al Gore led 2,500 Baptist preachers and lay leaders through his global warming slide show in Atlanta Thursday. Sounding more like an evangelist than a politician, Gore drew upon Scripture, science and a Sunday school teacher from his home church to urge Baptists to do whatever they could to fight global warming.” The newspaper goes on to quote Gore as telling the crowd that “if we heap contempt on God’s creation, that is inconsistent with glorifying God” — and comparing the “rising storm” of the alleged climate crisis to the rise of the Nazi party in the 1930s. Robert Parham, executive director of the Nashville-based Baptist Center for Ethics, called Gore a “Baptist prophet.” In introducing Gore, Parham said, “prophets are unacceptable because their truth is inconvenient.”

I just want to document this nonsense to prove that those claiming to be in the “Prophetic Ministry” are in self delusion and that they actually are false prophets. They get visions or dreams that come from their own mind and then presume it came from God. Some of what is said in these prophecies is so nonsensical that one has to wonder if these airheads know anything about capabilities of nuclear weapons at all.
One or two nukes in the city of Phoenix could not destroy Phoenix at all. Do these people have a clue about how large Phoenix is? It would take tens of hydrogen bombs to destroy Phoenix and no one with a mind believes that terrorists have hydrogen weapons. A nuclear device set off in Phoenix would kill 10,000 to 100,000 people not millions.

I should ignore this prophecy but people are being deceived. Time after time there are prophecies from self proclaimed prophets that claim something that never comes true. The Prophetic Ministry has been part of the Charismatic movement for decades. These self anointed prophets have always been wrong about any verifiable prediction! These people are never held accountable for their lies and they are continually paraded on Charismatic TV and Radio shows and on the INTERNET as if they have a direct link to God.

Those who follow what they say have itching ears and seem to be looking for news to fret about to bring some excitement to their own lives. They then pass on the garbage to anyone else who will listen to them.

I have warned “Christians” who post this stuff on their websites to no avail. they simply what to help spread lies on their websites either because it is sensational or because they themselves are gullible and deceived.

Do not be deceived by these people the neighborhood crystal ball reader receives the same level of divine truth and is probably more sensible. These presumptuous prophets speaking for God might receive glory from men for an hour on earth but I would not want to be in their shoes at the judgment.

clipped from www.etpv.org PHOENIX ARIZONA - THE NEXT 911

From politicians to the church it is now all about change. Rethinking and paradigm shift talk is coming from church pulpits. Does this change movement fit into a global mind change? Are the “Christian” shape shifters about to bring a change to Christian thought and practice to fit the worlds expectations? 

“God is birthing the greatest spiritual awakening in the history of the church.” … “Reinvent yourself for the 21st century or die.”[1] Pastor Leonard Sweet, Soul Tsunami

“A new civilization is emerging in our lives, and blind men everywhere are trying to suppress it. This new civilization brings with it new family styles, changed ways of working, loving, and living, a new economy, new political conflicts, and beyond all this an altered consciousness…” [2]Alvin and Heidi Toffler, Creating a New Civilization

“By deliberately changing the internal image of reality, people can change the world.” [3, p. 157] Dr. Willis Harman, Global Mind Change

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CHANGE!  However hollow its promises, this common catchword does bring an illusion of unity. For even the most diverse politicians, pastors, managers and media masters across America seem to agree on this point: Change is essential to their own success.  

Read this well documented article on the global mind change that is coming, by Berit Kjos

Evangelist Mum on Who’ll Win 2008 Race

Pat Robertson has been hearing from God for as long as I can remember but I can’t remember him ever getting anything correct. One of these days he will get something right because even I can believe their will be stock market crash. I guess God tells him oil will be $150 a barrel but God forget to tell him that Christian leaders should not support cult leaders. He claims what God told him last year did not happen because Pat thinks God tells the future and then someones prayer can change what God foretold would happen. The guy needs help. I can’t tell the difference between Pat Robertson and pagan fortune tellers.

NORFOLK, Va. (AP) - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said Wednesday that 2008 will be a year of violence worldwide and a recession in the United States, followed by a major stock-market crash by 2010. Praying about events in the coming year and sharing what he believes God has told him is an annual tradition for Robertson, founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network. “The Lord was saying that there’s going to be violence and chaos in the world,” Robertson said on his “700 Club” news-and-talk show.

I am sure you always wanted to know how the Nation Council of Churches stays so far off track. Well it probably starts with their Creed. You wont find anything about teaching the gospel here. Ever wonder why your church would send money to support a globalist socialist Christless agenda?

FrontPage Magazine:

“The Creed itself demands “employment for all at a family-sustaining living wage, full “economic rights” that are “protected by new governance structures,” greater emphasis on public education, a “de-racialized” criminal justice system,
“universal healthcare,” more effective social security, “tax and budget policies that reduce disparities between rich and poor,” “equitable global trade,” “sustainable” and “alternative” energy sources, “mutual security rather than unilateral force,” a “strengthened United Nations, and a “redirection of
military spending to more peaceful and productive uses.”

The role of church, family, cultural traditions, and other mediating institutions in creating a more just society are likewise and revealingly unmentioned.Even more lost upon the clueless NCC is the disastrous impact on mainline churches by the Social Gospel, as embodied by the 1908 Creed, upon mainline churches. Setting aside the transcendent truths of Christianity, the Social Gospel’s proponents shrank and enervated America ’s once leading religious bodies by promoting materialistic and statist solutions to what are ultimately spiritual problems.

Florida Baptist Witness: Publishing Good News since 1884: “Younger closed by saying that someday “we will be set free to live with compassion and kindness” and “celebrate the truth that there is no one beyond the love of God, no one who is not a cherished child of God, no one for whom Jesus did not die, and no one who is not welcome at this table. We long for the day that God will make everything right.”Younger closed by saying that someday “we will be set free to live with compassion and kindness” and “celebrate the truth that there is no one beyond the love of God, no one who is not a cherished child of God, no one for whom Jesus did not die, and no one who is not welcome at this table. We long for the day that God will make everything right.””

The problem pastor Younger is that you are wrong. You might have great universalistic humanistic beliefs but you know nothing about salvation. There are plenty of people that are not cherished children of God. Humans still dead in their sins are not children of God. They become children of God only when they believe in God’s righteousness (Jesus) and trust Him to save them. With all of your training perhaps you should have taken a course in Romans 101.

The Common Ground of Rick Warren & Mitt Romney - CWN: “It is a fact that the ‘40 Days of Purpose’ and other church growth and leadership materials produced by Rick Warren are aggressively marketed to Mormons and others outside Christian orthodoxy. When asked why Mormon leaders are involved in his pastoral training programs Rick Warren told USA Today: ‘I’m not going to get into a debate over the non-essentials. I won’t try to change other denominations. Why be divisive?’ (http://www.usatoday.com/life/2003-07-21-rick-warren_x.htm) Say WHAT? Mormonism…a ‘denomination’ and “non-essentials” such as the identity of Jesus Christ, godhood for mankind or the route to eternal salvation??? Clearly, Warren doesn’t KNOW or doesn’t WANT to identify Mormonism as non-Christian. Either way, what USA Today didn’t report is that Rick Warren is helping train Mormon leaders to more effectively present a false religion to the world - a false religion that has led millions of lost souls to an eternal Hell.”

Read the last post and then tell me that Mormon’s are Christian.

More Books and Things…: A Thing called Apophatic Prayer
“kataphatic prayer employs thoughts and images while apophatic transcends these. And that the Cloud of Unknowing will give us a clear, concise and convincing statement on what is ‘apophatic‘ prayer, which is about rising ecstatically within the Cloud of Unknowing, where one can know God by simply letting one’s mind rest in the consciousness of God in His naked existence, where, in this state of being beyond conscious awareness, one does not know or even care who or what God is. One is simply satisfied with the Lord as He exists at this moment in a relational union with oneself.”

Did you get that? If not you might want to check more deeply into this article. Apparently the emerging movement is redefining prayer for us. It is not enough to know that prayer is communication with God now you should know the difference between “apophatic” and “kataphatic” prayer. Well don’t panic, Eugene Peterson explains it all for us. Kataphatic prayer is praying with the eyes open and apohpatic prayer is praying with the eyes closed. Somehow all this profound wisdom reminds me of a old commercial. The one where they show eggs frying and equate it with your brain on drugs. You read it and see where it takes you?

Paul Proctor — Christian leaders betray Christ for world peace: “How then can Christians join Muslims to love God together and not be an abomination before Him? We’re talking about two entirely different ‘Gods’ here - not the same God with differing names. And that’s the big lie hidden in this global agenda. By swapping love letters with Muslims, these ‘Christian leaders’ endeavor to legitimize the illegitimate by setting aside the whole counsel of God for Results & Relationships. Jesus Christ is not the Son of Allah; and to even imply that He is by claiming to love the same ‘God’ as Muslims is not only being dangerously deceitful - it’s blasphemy! “

“And that’s what this is really all about - systematically merging the two faiths into one through the dialectic process - not merely finding “common ground” or “reflecting” a “common love for God,” but actually creating a common god for the common good.
Who stands to benefit from this?
The coming antichrist, of course.
Kind of gives a whole new meaning to the term “church growth movement,” doesn’t it?”

Well said. These new Evangelicals are emerging into universalism. They know the buzz words to say when they are speaking to Christians but there agenda is not the agenda of Jesus Christ it is the agenda of the world and the Antichrist.

How deceptively they did all this. Pastors wants church growth so they developed a methodology to bring in unbelievers into the church and develop a big following. Now these Gurus will take the dumbed down Christians that remain down emerging paths of apostasy to a universal belief that demotes the Son as just another way of many ways to God.

U.S. evangelicals strive to change attitudes on AIDS U.S. Reuters: “Some Saddleback members felt uneasy at being urged to care for AIDS sufferers. ‘They felt that our job was to speak to people’s spiritual needs, that the church was about saving souls. I completely disagreed. This is historically at the heart of our Christian faith,’ she said.”

I have no problem with the church helping AIDS victims but Kay Warren’s statement above is nonsense. The Church is on earth to proclaim salvation of the soul to all who hear the Truth and believe it. How can she disagree with that? Where is that historical record that Kay Warren talks about? Where is the biblical foundation for holding that belief? If you really want to help all the dying people on this planet (we are all dying) don’t just give people a band-aid for their body give them Jesus for their soul.

Now readers should see a big part of the problem at Saddleback and the whole purpose driven movement. They have a worldly social agenda rather than a spiritual commission. They will even get into bed with secular humanists and pagans to try to fix all the things on earth that cannot be fixed because man freely chooses to live in sin.

Paula White Fakes it on Larry King Live - J. Grant Swank Jr. - Nov 27, 07: “And Paula White on Larry King Live this evening displayed herself as one of those prancing, shouting, microphone-carrying hawkers for her own purse. God help her. She needs it.”

Why would you expect anything else from the “World Faith” prosperity hucksters?

WorldNetDaily: Begging forgiveness of Islam?: “Jesus did not teach believers to seek common ground with the world. He did not teach us to conform ourselves to the ways of those who deny Him. He did not teach us to compromise our faith to find peace. He, did, however, command us to ‘Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature’ (Mark 16:15). If today’s Christian leaders want peace, they should be about the business of their Lord, spreading the Gospel to Muslims and other non-believers, rather than conducting interfaith dialogues with those who keep those non-believers in darkness. “

Berit Kjos — Shaping A New Civilization, Part 1: “Everything must be changed — especially the way we think of ourselves in relationship to the ‘greater whole.’ When applied to religion, the ‘new ways of thinking’ means setting aside ‘narrow’ or inflexible beliefs for the sake of unity, universalism and ‘common good.‘ Christianity must either bend or break. Or, as Leonard Sweet wrote in Soul Tsunami (endorsed by Rick Warren): ‘Postmodern culture is a change-or-be-changed world. The word is out: Reinvent yourself for the 21st century or die.’[11] “

Integrity, Accountability and the Grassley Investigation: “What is unfortunate about this investigation is that it had to be initiated by someone in the federal government. The Christian public should have demanded a higher level of accountability a long time ago. Why have we been silent when we know certain ministries are operating without a proper board of directors or without any accountability?”

All of the people being investigated by Senator Grassley teach a prosperity gospel. Why would anyone think that they would believe anything else for themselves? The root of the problem is the heresy that is being taught. The failure of Christians to discern biblical truths and biblical teachers is the real problem. The Word Faith people love teachers who will tickle their ears with new revelations that appeal to their flesh, rather than teachers who will teach them to mature in Christ through proper understanding of the scriptures.

Pusillanimous Pastors are Worse than Strident Atheists - Guest - Nov 05, 07: “Frankly, the people who concern me-the ones I think are more malevolent than the obstreperous atheists-are the postmodern prevaricating pastors and priests who sidestep the stout aspects of Scripture because of the pressures of political correctness.”

No matter how popular the pastor, no matter how much they grin, and no matter how much they love puppy dogs and candy canes, let’s challenge the PC priests of the new millennium to quit preaching half truths, psychobabble, trite clichés, cutesy sayings, sweet ditties and hackneyed aphorisms from their amputated Bibles. Let’s press ‘em to just deliver sound doctrine, please. Nothing fancy. No gimmicks, por favor. Tell them that you’ll get your motivational stuff from Tony Robbins or Donald Trump and that you’d really, really appreciate them giving you the ungarnished gospel of God. Be patient, as some of these guys haven’t preached the gospel in so long they might have forgotten it. However, if after correction they don’t get back on track after a few months, I’d leave that “church” and find a church that’ll deliver the goods as Graham and other great preachers of old did back in the day.

Amen!

David Jeremiah Proposes “Major Paradigm Shift” for His Church: “David Jeremiah’s 2003 book, Life Wide Open, has a subtitle of ‘Unleashing the Power of a Passionate Life.’ In the introduction of the book, Jeremiah tells readers that ‘A Small handful among us have discovered what the rest of us would pay dearly to know: How can we bring real, living excitement into this life?’ Jeremiah goes on to tell readers that ‘This book is a map to the life of passion and purpose, the life wide open…’ Who are these small handful of people who have discovered the secret? Well according to Jeremiah’s book, his list includes Rick Warren, contemplative, feminine spiritualist Sue Monk Kidd ( When the Heart Waits), contemplative Calvin Miller (Into the Depths of God), Buddhist sympathizer Peter Senge (The Fifth Discipline), emerging church leader Erwin McManus, contemplative Michael Card, and Brother Lawrence (Practicing the Presence of God). “

I think we are seeing the domino effect of the apostasy of the seeker, prosperity and emergent churches. This is a paradigm shift all right. In one generation much of “Christianity” has gone from biblical doctrine into pagan mysticism.

Warren challenges Baptists to promote peace worldwide, starting in Texas: “Pastor Rick Warren, presenting a keynote address at the annual meeting of the Baptist General Convention of Texas has encouraged Christians once again to ‘establish the kingdom of God’ here on planet earth. Warren is well known for a three-legged stool plan designed to implement his global PEACE plan. Warren learned about such a plan from his mentor Peter Drucker, a well known consultant who promoted church growth methods focused on a market-driven Christianity. Warren’s three-legged stool plan has three legs - business, government and the church. “

There should be no doubt now that Rick Warren is a dominionist as well as an emergent “SHAPE” shifter. He has now changed the first meaning of the original meanings of his acronym P.E.A.C.E. of his global Peace Plan.

Planting churches is now replaced with promoting reconciliation. With who? Rome? Heretics? Muslims? Pagans?

Paul Proctor — Are Baptists Really Better Together?: “You see, the real ‘distraction’ here is the false claim that Baptists are being divided by ‘methodological differences, generational gaps’ and ’stylistic preferences.’ This tired old argument has been coming from the bowels of the Southern Baptist Convention for years - mostly from trained facilitators who have made careers out of exploiting biblical ignorance and spinning the scriptures to promote goodwill rather than God’s Will. In spite of their claims, in most cases, it is not style or preference that is causing this deep-seated conflict - but rather conviction - meaning it is the Word of God that is dividing Baptists. “

I have noticed myself that the SBC has taken on many of the philosophies of the world. They are using the same type of facilitators and consensus builders that brought politically correct team concepts to government and corporations. Truth is what the majority can come to consensus on and not necessarily what is true.

I also see it in their Sunday school programs where they all now use quarterlies magazines made up by teams in Nashville that indoctrinate the whole Southern Baptist Convention. The magazines have all but replaced the Bible and Bible studies with Lifeway’s views about what the Bible says. It has generally replaced sound exegesis of the Bible with weekly applications for living a more abundant life. The SBC claims to be made up of independent churches but almost everyone in the convention is following the teachings of a hand full of national leaders who are sometimes way off the mark.

Paul Proctor is correct, there are some issues we need to stay separated on because a little leaven leavens the whole loaf.