Chuck Baldwin views are too radical to even win an election to become pastor of most Baptist churches. I respect some of his views but America will not support him. You would think that a national party that exists to bring back government to the intent of its founders could come up with a more qualified and more well known candidate. I think this party will soon be over. Baldwin will have zero impact on this election and he will not start a third party grass roots movement for the future either.

Constitution Party stunner: Chuck Baldwin KOs firebrand Alan Keyes | KansasCity.com Prime Buzz

Convening its national convention in Kansas City today, the Constitution Party picked radio talk-show host Chuck Baldwin over former Ambassador Alan Keyes as its 2008 presidential candidate.

The pick was seen as something of an upset, given Keyes’ higher national profile. Known for his fiery stem-winders, Keyes is a two-time GOP presidential candidate who abandoned the Republican Party this month to join the Constitution Party, which believes in limited government and is committed to ending abortion and bringing American troops home from Iraq.

But Baldwin’s roots in the Constitution Party run deeper. He was the party’s 2004 vice-presidential candidate, and party members said his stands were more in line with party thinking.

The two party system in America has failed Christian Americans. It is time that we look in a new direction. If this becomes a four man race anything is possible. Remember, nations generally get the leader they deserve. If Christians and Conservatives vote for Obama or McCain and help either one of them to get to be President they will have themselves to blame for the circumstances they will soon find themselves in.

It increasingly appears that the two major parties will force the American people to choose between the fascistic John McCain or the Marxist Barack Obama. Is that really the kind of choice we are willing to accept? Are we really content to continue to vote the “party line,” no matter what damage results?

Let’s face it, folks: the two major parties are strangling the life out of this country. It is indeed a death grip. Something drastic must be done, and it must be done NOW! Since it does not appear that either major party is salvageable (at the national level), it is up to “We the people” to take matters into our own hands. This means bypassing the mainstream press and relying more on the Internet for our news and information. And it means bypassing the two major parties and voting for Independent candidates for President.  

If Michael Bloomberg throws his hat in the Presidential ring, it will already be a three-man race. A strong independent conservative contender would make it a viable four-man race (just like 1860). At that point, anything could happen. But first, we must awaken to the reality of the two-party death grip, and then decide to do something about it. I am ready. How about you?

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Although I agree in principle with Chuck Baldwin that it is time to start a conservative third party movement. I do not think Ron Paul would be the best choice to lead it.

This article is worth the read just on the background information that Chuck Baldwin gives on John McCain. The record if true, should be enough to make anyone wonder why this man is even in leadership.

clipped from www.newswithviews.com To vote for John McCain is madness! Therefore, both social and fiscal conservatives–along with evangelical Christians–will have no one from either the Republican or Democrat parties for whom to vote this November. What, then, will they do? To vote for the “lesser of two evils” is no longer a legitimate option. There is no lesser in a McCain versus Clinton/Obama race. In fact, Ann Coulter might be right that in such a race, Hillary is the lesser of two evils. What, then, are we to do? First, Ron Paul should abandon his bid for the Republican nomination and declare himself a candidate for the Constitution Party nomination

Chuck Baldwin — Why Does The Establishment Hate Ron Paul?

Maybe Dr. Paul needs to start a third party movement because by the time of the national election the country might be in bad enough shape that it will get off the ground. It certainly would be a feasible third party by the next national election. In any case, a third party President cannot change the establishment in this country by himself. It would take a movement that would also replace most of the Representatives in the House and the Senate.

Ron Paul is not interested in creating a world empire. Neither is he a
warmonger. He would squash the burgeoning New World Order in its tracks–and the globalists ensconced in Washington and New York City know it. There is only one Presidential candidate who would bring a modern-day revolution to Washington, D.C., and it is not Barack Obama or Mike Huckabee. It is Ron Paul. Obama and Huckabee–along with the rest of the Democrat and Republican contenders–are only more of the same. The same Nanny State, the same unconstitutional laws and regulations, the same advances toward global government, the same attacks against individual liberties, the same arrogance, the same hypocrisy, the same social programs, the same back-breaking taxes, the same jack-booted federal police tactics, the same IRS, the same lobbyists, and the same corrupt Washington politics.

Chuck Baldwin — Who Are These Kooks?: “No matter what ultimately happens to Ron Paul’s candidacy, the fight to return America to its roots of freedom and independence has started. The fire is lit. There is no putting it out. There will be other Ron Pauls, other campaigns, other spokesmen, other fundraising. The people supporting Ron Paul will not be silenced; they will not be ignored; they will not be intimidated. In truth, Ron Paul’s campaign may just be the beginning of the end of the elitist, globalist, stranglehold over America.”

Are there more who want a return to America the way it was, or are there now more who want a America that will give them their government handout? We shall see. I think we will go back to our roots but not before a world war, a major depression or a breakup of the Union. Ron Paul is probably a decade ahead of the coming counterrevolution. We could see a new party because of his effort. That grass roots party might be more important than who is President next term because no matter who is elected, disaster is likely to be the end result for the US in the next decade.

Chuck Baldwin — “Pro-Life” Candidates Should Put Up Or Shut Up: “I say again, it is time for ‘pro-life’ Republicans to put up or shut up! Beyond that, it is time for Christian conservatives to stop being so gullible. We need to start looking beyond eloquent rhetoric and campaign clichés. We need to begin demanding results. Every four years, Republicans trot out a conservative façade during an election season for the purpose of obtaining the votes of susceptible Christians. And every four years, conservative Christians–like starving catfish–take the bait: hook, line, and sinker. ‘Save us from the monster,’ seems to be the cry of well-meaning–but easily manipulated–conservatives. The ‘monster’ is whoever the Democrats nominate, of course. But, ladies and gentlemen, the Republican Party has done absolutely nothing to change the course of the country. Nothing! In fact, it has only gotten worse with Republicans in charge. “

Chuck Baldwin — More Reasons To Beware Of Mike Huckabee: “Let’s say it plainly: Mike Huckabee is just another big-government, establishment politician who will do nothing to stem the tide of socialism or fascism (pick your poison) emanating from Washington, D.C., these days. “

What is it about the South that produces these people? Mike said himself that he did some of the things he did because politics is rough in Arkansas. Why would a minister of the Gospel trade that job in for the affairs of the world and then stoop to their level? It seems to me that Mike Huckabee is in the same mold as Rick Warren, Bill Hybels and Kenneth Copeland. They preach the Kingdom should be established right here right now. The way they intend to bring in this soft dominionism is through social action and legislation and they have no problem uniting with secular humanists and anti Christ religions to establish this end. Where is the great commission in any of this?

Chuck Baldwin — An Appeal To My Fellow Pastors: “adherence to the Constitution protects our freedom of speech and assembly; our freedom of worship; our right to keep and bear arms; our right to a trial by jury; the right to be secure in our own homes against police overreach; our right to witness for Christ in public, as a Christian; the right to own property; the right to not be deprived of life or property without due process of law; the right to face our accusers, and the right to keep government local and limited. Keeping government local and limited is the cornerstone doctrine of American government. Ron Paul understands this more than any other candidate running today. Most of the problems that we are now dealing with socially, culturally, financially, etc., stem from America abandoning the basic founding principle that ‘the government that governs least governs best.’ “

Baldwin makes a good case.

Chuck Baldwin — Christians Need To Beware Of Mike Huckabee: “With Christian conservatives trying to scramble to find a Republican presidential candidate they can support, some of them seem to be coalescing around former Arkansas governor, Mike Huckabee. Janet Folger, especially, seems to be trumpeting his candidacy. But is Mike Huckabee someone Christian conservatives should be supporting? Not everyone thinks so. “

There is truth in what Chuck Baldwin is saying although I have seen his opposing arguments as well. They answer some of the concerns but not most of them. Mike Huckabee is better than Hillary. So if that is all we can come up with I guess its either Mike or start a third party. Like a said before, Ron Paul is the only real Conservative in the bunch. He would be the ideal candidate to take America back to its roots after a world depression or world war but before that he would simply bring it on us sooner than it would have come. I don’t know if that is good or bad. Perhaps the economic collapse or war will happen before the election and that will solve that problem. However, then most likely there would not be any election and we would all be Bush whacked.

Chuck Baldwin — Christians Should Support Constitutional Government: “When we elect people to public office, we should expect only one thing: that they uphold their contract to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. You see, adherence to the Constitution protects our freedom of speech and assembly; our freedom of worship; our right to keep and bear arms; our right to a trial by jury; the right to be secure in our own homes against police overreach; our right to witness for Christ in public, as a Christian; the right to own property; the right to not be deprived of life or property without due process of law; the right to face our accusers, and the right to keep government local and limited. “

Pastor Chuck Baldwin’s speech before the National Committee of the Constitution Party

Chuck Baldwin — Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God?: “To anyone who understands the true message of Christ, however, the doctrine of universalism is anathema. Every true believer in Christ understands Him to be the God-Man, the Creator-God become flesh (John 1:1-3, 14). We understand that Jesus is the only way to Heaven (John 14:6). We take Christ at His word, when He told us, ‘I and my Father are one.’ (John 10:30) We believe Him when He said, ‘[H]e that hath seen me hath seen the Father.’ (John 14:9) We understand that Jesus is the ‘fulness of the Godhead bodily.’ (Col. 2:9) No real Christian could say that every religion worships the same God or that everyone is going to Heaven, regardless of who or what they worship. Only a universalist could make such a statement. I say it again, President Bush is a universalist. Furthermore, because President Bush has convinced everyone that he is a Christian, his erroneous remarks portend much evil. Why? Because many professing Christians will take the word of an apostate President over the word of their own pastors or even the very Word of God. “

Bush certainly is not getting his views from Christian teaching. I think Secretary Rice said something the other day that puts her is this camp as well. Makes me wonder if all this “Christianity” in the white house that we hear about is nothing but a logical extension of Bush’s 12 step higher power delusion.

Now we clearly see what dangers 12 step higher power delusions can bring when they only lead to an invented Jesus. We have a supposedly “Christian” President telling the whole world a deadly lie that all religions have the same God. Impossible!

Chuck Baldwin — Bob Jones Dances With The Devil:
“There is another problem: our so-called Christian “leaders” crave attention. They desire notoriety. They are obsessed with having access to power. They want a seat at the king’s table. As a result, they are willing to believe the lies being told them by shrewd and cunning frauds–as long as they are Republicans, of course. As Doc Holliday said in the movie Tombstone, “My hypocrisy only goes so far.”
Accordingly, our Christian “leaders” will never promote a man’s candidacy on principle alone. They want to pick a “winner.”

“In his endorsement of Mitt Romney, Dr. Bob Jones III also said, ‘This is all about beating Hillary.’ Oh, really? Since when does a preacher of the Gospel and Christian educator put electing charlatans (of any political party) ahead of standing for truth and doing right? And this leads to another problem. Our Christian ‘leaders’ have forgotten what it means to stand on principle. They have gotten so bogged down in politics that they have forsaken the divine call to be watchmen on the wall. If Bob Jones III would be as concerned about standing for truth and principle as he is about ‘beating Hillary,’ many others might be encouraged to do the same–and we preachers might actually be able to have a positive impact upon the direction of our country. As it is, our Christian ‘leaders’ are not only not helping to lead our nation out of its current mess, they are actually contributing to the problem, as Dr. Jones’ endorsement of Mitt Romney illustrates. “

I agree with Chuck Baldwin that it may all be about Christian leaders fear of losing their own position of influence if they should pick a Christian that might lose against Hillary.

At least if someone like Mike Huckabee loses against Hillary we will know the percentage of Christians or people with Christian values in the United States. If we are not the majority then why should we deserve a Christian leader from God?

The distinctions between Hillary and Huckabee are so great that no one should be deceived. But, get one of the other pretenders running against Hillary and many Christians either will not vote or they will vote for what they think is the lessor of the two evils.

Chuck Baldwin — The Church In Apostasy“Obviously, George W. Bush is a universalist. His confession is not that of a Christian, but that of a universalist. Any true Christian knows that there is but one mediator between God and man: Christ Jesus. Any true Christian knows that Jesus is the incarnate God–the Creator-God become flesh. Any true Christian knows that Jesus and the Father are one. Any true Christian knows that there is salvation in no other name, no other god. Any true Christian knows that no one has access to God except through Jesus Christ. Any true Christian knows that there is no God other than Jesus: that Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead bodily. That is Christianity 101. With the above understanding and because President Bush claims to be a Christian, his statements should be regarded by Christians everywhere as an admission of apostasy and an attack upon the fundamental doctrine of Christ. Yet, there has been no reaction. No admonishments. No calls for repentance. No warnings to Christians to reject such heresy. No protestations whatsoever. Why? There is only one answer: the church itself is in a state of apostasy! “

Baldwin is correct. With a few exceptions nobody is saying anything about what George Bush has clearly said. What he said is not what true Christians believe. Therefore, unless he repents of his universalist views that Baldwin documented in this article he cannot be considered a true Christian. He is not a true Christian according to any orthodox understanding of the Christian faith. His foreign policy also displays that with Bush opposing Israel to remain in their God given land to appease a cult called Islam overun with terrorists.

Yes, many of the churches are now in apostasy. I do not think it is quite as bad as Chuck Baldwin paints, yet it is bad and it is getting worse all the time. Bible prophecy predicts it would happen. Christian pastors and leaders should be speaking up on this issue since our belief in Jesus as the only way to God is critical to our faith and it is critical to preach the good news of salvation through Jesus to the world. What we see happening with some of the leadership is not exactly apostasy since most know and believe that Jesus is the only way to God. They Just will not preach the gospel of salvation.

The true biblical Christianity of the saints that laid the foundation is on the brink of being destroyed on many fronts because most Christians leaders are mainly concerned with their own garden on their own Laodicean hill. The members of their churches seem most concerned about their positions on their pews. They know little about what is going on in the Church and in the world and they care to know even less.

Chuck Baldwin — Can A Christian Pray To Allah?: “Every true Christian knows that the Lord Jesus Christ is the only way to God the Father. Jesus is not ‘a’ way of salvation. He is the only way of salvation, and His is the only name whereby we are saved. No man comes unto the Father except through Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). This is Christianity 101. We have pre-kindergarten children in our Sunday School that apparently understand more about Bible truth than our supposed ‘Christian’ President. “

Apparently George Bush skipped Christianity 101 and elected to go to the graduate school of Robert Schuller.

WorldNetDaily: ‘Christian revolt’ against Giuliani brewing: “‘A lot of conservative Christians will never vote for Rudy Giuliani,’ says pastor, commentator and radio talk host Chuck Baldwin. “
“Giuliani is unabashedly pro-choice,” Baldwin argued in an interview with WND, “He is the most pro-abortion candidate the Republican Party has.”
Baldwin is the pastor of Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola, Fla., a frequent commentator and a prominent member of the Constitution Party.”

Chuck Baldwin is correct about Giuliani but Baldwin does not speak for conservative Christians. He speaks for conspiracy nuts and rebellious people. I have some examples of the pseudo Christian teaching of Chuck Baldwin on this Blog

Chuck Baldwin — Dobson Is Right About Giuliani: “As a conservative Baptist pastor for more than thirty years and a former executive director for the Moral Majority, my roots in the Religious Right run pretty deep. However, over the last several years, I have become a consistent critic of the Religious Right, as faithful readers of this column already know. “

We have a situation here where everyone running who have the support and money to win are not acceptable to Christian conservatives for one good reason or another. I do not believe in voting for the lesser of two evils for various reasons. So what do we do about this situation? The conservative vote is so split right now that a liberal will get elected. It is time for some of the second tier Christian conservatives to get out of the race and to throw their support to one man. Ron Paul is simply not going to get elected the sooner people realize that the better. Ron Paul might be someone people might elect to office after the depression when their eyes are opened, but it will not happen now. It seems to me the only Christian conservative that has the personality to have any chance of winning at all is Mike Huckabee. I am not saying I endorse all his views but there is no one else in the race that is a Christian conservative that can win. I can see Dr. Dobson supporting Mike.

Chuck Baldwin — Giuliani Is Everyone’s Worst Nightmare: “That Rudy Giuliani is currently trying to cast himself as a conservative is beyond laughable–it is hilarious. This is a man who is unabashedly pro-abortion. He has been seen walking down Fifth Avenue with thousands of homosexuals demanding ‘gay rights.’ He himself is a cross-dresser. He has had numerous marriages and only God knows how many sexual affairs. He has been one of the country’s most radical proponents of gun control. He made New York a sanctuary city for illegal aliens and is a strong proponent of amnesty for illegal aliens. As a prosecutor, his abuse of power and disregard for law are legendary. [Read] “

“I tell you the truth, Rudy Giuliani scares me far more than Hillary Clinton does. Far more. I’ll say it right here: if the 2008 Presidential election comes down to Hillary vs. Giuliani, Hillary is the “lesser of two evils.” That’s how bad Giuliani is.
Any Christian who would vote for Rudy Giuliani needs to check out his or her salvation. And before a conservative could vote for Giuliani, he would have to surrender every conviction and principle he ever held.”

“A Giuliani Presidency would mean an expansion of military interventionism and preemptive war like you can’t imagine. One can call me what one wants, but I am warning the American people, just as Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Martin Niemoller tried to warn the German people about Hitler: Rudy Giuliani is a monster. Anyone who is paying attention knows this is true.”

I agree with Chuck Baldwin on this one. When he is right he is right. Giuliani is really scary indeed. He knows how to play up to American patriots but he has the values of a slime ball. He is also an egomaniac. Give a man like this unlimited power and you will have the actual dictator and tyrant that the American Patriot movement has been crying wolf about all these years. He is the real deal. He will seek to destroy anyone who opposes any action he takes and he will do it from a platform that plays upon the fears of the American people. You can forget about any constitutional freedoms and he will not give a spit about your religious beliefs.

If I “only” have a choice between Hillary and Giuliani it would not be Giuliani. Hillary will at least have to be more subtle because American patriots already have her number. She is not fooling Christian conservatives. Giuliani on the other hand, is thought of as a right wing patriot by many conservatives but he really is just an opportunist who is riding a hyped 9/11 macho performance into power. He might just fool gullible Christian conservatives to join him on some Crusade.

Frankly, I think Giuliani is betting that another homeland terrorist attack will catapult him into the Presidency and it probably will. I don’t see how he can be defeated if one occurs. Giuliani will then be everyone’s worst nightmare.

Chuck Baldwin — Thompson Surge Means Conservatives Are Desperate: “The problem is, Thompson is not a conservative. Worse still (for the GOP), Thompson cannot beat Hillary in a general election. Mark my words, if Fred Thompson is the Republican nominee next November, Hillary Clinton is your next president. For that matter, I see only one Republican contender who might be able to beat Hillary in the 2008 general election: Ron Paul. Yes, you read it right. Ron Paul.”

One thing I know for sure, no matter if Hillary or Fred Thompson gets elected you will have plenty to write about for years, or until they stop you. I don’t disagree with some of what you said about Thompson. I do disagree that two thirds of the American people want us to cut and run from Iraq which basically is what Ron Paul would do. Even Democrats are not so stupid as to think we can just pull out without some prior political agreement like splitting the country into 3 regions and having a UN action to keep the factions apart. What they do not see is long term consequence of such an action which I will not get into here.

I wrote a piece on Ron Paul the other day I will repeat it here.
“Ron Paul would be the ideal president if we had never globalized, got in debt, went off gold, became the world’s military savior etc…but we did. Someone like Ron Paul could be a great president after we have a major depression and defeat Islamofascism.

If we elect Dr. Ron Paul now even though much of what he says is true his polices would just speed our demise. He could not get anything through congress. His foreign policy would just embolden Islamofascism and Israel and Europe would become their objectives. We could just sit back and watch while Rome burns? Not a chance. It would bring a major world war of civilizations sooner than our current course.”

You are right that Gingrich will not get elected but maybe he should get in the race. It might be the only hope for Republicans. With him and Thompson in the race along with the others, nobody would come to the Republican convention with anything near the delegates that they need to get the nomination. Then there is a hope of drafting someone who was not even running. Don’t ask me who, if it were my choice I would pick someone like Chuck Norris who would have appeal across party lines.

The alternative is a third party. That is very difficult to pull off since to win on a third party you have to be hugely popular, have a lot of money and be able to carry both houses of congress with your new party in order to get anything done. I think it would be easier for all Conservatives to just start their own Union made up of only the red states.

Chuck Baldwin — 9/11, Six Years Later: “Yet, President Bush would have us believe that he is fighting a ‘war on terrorism’ by invading Iraq, a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. However, the war in Iraq has done little to fight terrorism, and has done much to assist it.

Instead of invading a country with no ties to 9/11, we should have followed Ron Paul’s advice. Congress should have passed H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001, and sent our forces on a specific and narrow mission to take out bin Laden and al-Qaeda.

Chuck Baldwin has a short memory. We did not invade Iraq to fight against the same terrorists who carried out the 9/11 attack. Those who say this are revising history for their own propaganda. We went into Iraq to take out Saddam and his butchers who were terrorists of another type. We went in because all intelligence told us they had WMD capabilities. Almost all Americans were behind this US action.

Even in hindsight we had to invade. If Bush did nothing against Iraq and Saddam had still been in power at the next national election Americans would have dumped Bush and elected someone who would invade Iraq. You probably would have been all for it as well.

If Saddam were still in Iraq today the problems in the Middle East would be worse not better. The terror threat to the US and Israel would be worse not better.

As a Christian, I do not know why you cannot understand that the root evil is Islamofascism and it must be defeated. It does not matter what country the Fascists reside in. Islamofascism must be defeated as an ideology throughout the world or we will have a clash of civilizations that will make World War II look like a small pilot project.

We made some huge mistakes in Iraq just after the invasion and we are paying for those mistakes but the invasion was justified as almost all Americans agreed at the time.

Since you do not seem to know it, we have had a mission to take out Bin Laden and al-Qaeda ever since 9/11. Just passing a bill in Congress does not accomplish this task. If you are implying we can just invade Pakistan without their permission it would make the war in Iraq seem mild in comparison.

It is easy for you to sit there and second guess and bad mouth our elected national leaders with your hindsight but who in the world certified you as an expect on foreign affairs?

You should be preaching the gospel you were trained to preach instead of just pandering to hindsighters, conspiracy nuts and malcontents and preaching a false gospel. Is this what you preach on Sunday?

Chuck Baldwin — Thoughts On The Larry Craig Scandal: “the underlying problem behind the Larry Craig scandal. The real problem that this scandal unearths is the widespread influence that homosexuality has within the GOP. Ladies and Gentlemen, the GOP elephant is not red; it is pink. That is a fact that rank and file conservatives within the GOP either don’t know or don’t want to know. But it is getting harder and harder to keep that fact a secret. “

Chuck Baldwin believes everything he reads if it agrees with his own dark thoughts about government. Not only that, he seems compelled to embellish upon what he reads and tell everyone his own delusions. In this article Baldwin is really great at slandering Republicans who have a homosexual relative as if that makes them part of his GOP pink conspiracy. Like in all his recent articles George Bush has a part in every evil in Baldwin’s mind. George Bush is in with the GOP pinko’s.

Chuck Baldwin will probably again be picked up by many “Christian” websites as if he was actually teaching Christianity and was not just pandering to fellow lunatics. I really have to wonder…why? Is any Christian talking about this guy’s message out there besides me? If not, why not?

Chuck Baldwin — Will Lady Liberty Last Beyond 2010?: “As for me and my house, we promise to never fit in with Bush’s New World Order. I don’t know what that means exactly, but it is a promise.”

Well there you have it. The prophet has spoken. By 2010 we will all be in George Bush’s new world order. Except of course for Chuck Baldwin and a few who think like him. They will be in the outback raiding houses for a baloney sandwich. Chuck says Rev. Mike Huckabee will be on the wrong side because he is naive or weak. Sure he is Chuck, I think Mike would have something to say to you about that remark.

Colonel Chuck Baldwin with his black brigade makes it pretty clear that guns are what is going to keep him out of that “New World Order” What a total dumkoff!

Lets get serious here! There is one planet with people on it. As population, transportation and knowledge increase on the earth people are naturally going to sell their skills to others on this earth for things that they do not have. We see this taking place in every nation on earth. It is obvious that as shipping costs come down we are going to see world trade, regional economic unions and world government to regulate it all. That will take place as clear as day and nothing Chuck Baldwin can do will stop it. There will be world government. Will certain greedy people abuse trade and abuse power, of course. That is human nature. They do at the local level as well.

There is nothing evil in itself about world government. When Jesus comes His Kingdom on earth will be a world government. Yes, we do know from the Bible that one day an evil Antichrist will rule on earth in a world government, but we do not know when that will be and faithful Christians may not even be on earth at that time.

Scripture is clear that the Beast Antichrist cannot rule until the one that is preventing him is taken out of the way and that preventer is not Chuck Baldwin with his armed Black brigade.

End time prophecy says absolutely nothing instructing Christians to oppose world government. It does tell people that an Angel will come telling them not to take the mark of the Beast but the Angel will first make that clear to everyone and not some conspiracy theorist.

There is no reason to think that any world order in the future is out of God’s control. The man of sin is only given permission for 42 months to rule the earth. He does not have the power to take it on his own and he did not have this Beast system in place before that time. Further, he is only given that permission to deceive those on earth who would not believe the truth.

Church Baldwin has departed from preaching the gospel, he is simply preaching rebellion. If Baldwin turned the whole world around to his way of thinking what would the world be like? Would we have a new world order of fringe Baptist Theocracy? Or does Baldwin advocate that everyone should be free to do what is right in their own eyes unless of course they broke the covenant found in his Baptist Church hymnal? Then I guess the stoning would start to rid the world of all the evil doers. Watch that you don’t get hit in the head yourself with one of those stones Chuck, or maybe you did and that is your problem.

It is rather strange that those who want world dominionism by Christians are often also those who oppose any global world order at all. Where do they intend to have their own Christan domain, just in Pensacola, Florida?

Instead of looking for enemies in every world movement why don’t we first oppose the evil in our own communities and in our own lives? We do not have to look for some world order that may or may not turn out to be evil somewhere down the line. The evil present in the world may even come via you if you preach rebellion against authority. Then don’t be surprised either when authority kicks you in the butt.

Your not doing Christians a favor Chuck by embracing conspiracy theories, spreading unfounded fear and bad mouthing all in authority because you yourself believe that some secret demonic cabal is taking over the world. What book, chapter and verse is that found in Chuck? You conspiracy people never get the facts straight if you have any facts at all and you want us to believe that what you say is gospel? You are really spreading hate, gossip, back bitting, half truths etc. You know some of those things you made a covenant not to do. All this can only hinder the gospel of Christ. I pray that Chuck Baldwin will repent and get on more biblical topics.

I do not know why so many supposedly Christian websites are picking up all of Chuck Baldwin’s nonsense, perhaps they also lack discernment or perhaps conspiracy nonsense sells. I also wish some Christians leaders would speak out on this issue.

WorldNetDaily: Obey? Bible says yes, if government’s ‘good’

Columnist Chuck Baldwin wrote unbelievingly that, “in order to convince American citizens to surrender their firearms to the government during a time of martial law, DHS is enlisting the assistance of America’s pastors. According to the DHS, my job as a church pastor, is to tell my congregation that, according to Romans 13, they must surrender their firearms when the government asks them to do so.”
“Let me address the issue bluntly: According to Romans 13, every citizen is only bound to obey his or her governing official to the degree that the governing official does not violate the duty of the citizen to obey the ‘higher powers’ which, for Americans, are God and the U.S. Constitution,” he said.
“Properly understood, Romans 13 teaches that each and every government official (including the President of the United States and all those under him) must submit to the U.S. Constitution,” he said.
“Don’t tell me that the Bible teaches pacifism, because it doesn’t. I am a Christian, and I am a pastor. And I agree with Charlton Heston who said that they could have his guns ‘over my cold, dead hands.’”

Chuck Baldwin says that DHS will tell him that he would have to tell his congregation that according to Romans 13 they must surrender their firearms when the government asks them to do so. I might ask where does the DHS suggest that they will ask law abiding citizens to do that? If you have a city that has broken down into civil disorder should not the respected pastors of the community be used to reestablish civil society? Would you rather that storm troopers did it?

I would venture to say our government and DHS has just as many Christians in it as the rest of our society, so we are not without power or influence in our own government.

As for Romans 13, it is not submitting to some constitution like Chuck Baldwin and others suggest, it is submitting to authorities in government put in place by God to govern society and to deal with the evil doers. Our prime example on this matter is the early Church, none rebelled against the pagan Roman government nor against the ruling Jews.

Christians should not obey any law of government that contradicts God’s law, period. However, when we take that stand so we ought to know that we may be persecuted by the world system for doing it.

Doing what is godly is not a license for violent opposition or slandering people in authority. In reality, they create a straw man argument to play on peoples fears. They really are working for a Christian theocracy in some fantasy promised land of theirs called America.

America will never be the promised land of Christians because we are looking for that city that is not make by human hands and it is not of this world.

Chuck Baldwin — America’s Pastors: Preachers Of Truth Or Promoters Of Tyranny?: “According to KSLA television in Shreveport, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) intends to use America’s preachers to help pave the way for martial law in the event of another terrorist attack upon the United States. “

Dear Reader, are you getting this?
In order to convince American citizens to surrender their firearms to the government during a time of martial law”

As far as I can see it actually said nothing about convincing American citizens to surrender their firearms to government, so here we go again. Chuck Baldwin takes some truth and then he uses it to set up a straw man argument to attack George Bush and the government. The truth is that pastors would be used by Homeland Security to help restore order if things got out of control in a city after some WMD attack. Any person living in reality would know that if a nuclear bomb went off in a major city that there would be looting, rioting and panic. So who better than pastors to calm the people? Used car salesmen? Gang members? The Dixie Chicks?

Chuck Baldwin thinks America’s pastors are going to be promoting tyranny for the government? Why is that Chuck? Are you claiming that Christian pastors will be part of some world conspiracy to enslave us? You certainly have a low view of America’s Christian pastors. If things are that bad how then do you expect Christians to be any major force in the quest to take American back from the godless? You can’t have it both ways Chuck. Your not being logical.

You ought to know Chuck, that we now must have contingency plans for any major disaster contingency and that is all this is. We all know it is not a matter of “if” a massive terrorist attack will happen, it is just a matter of when and where. I for one, think we should plan for that.

The problem with Chuck is that he then goes off on a tirade about how declaring martial law after such an event in one locality or even in the whole country will then automatically be followed by taking away everyone’s guns. Who says so Chuck? Your leaping to a conclusion that is not logical. If government ever makes the decision to disarm this nation they will not make that decision lightly. They know what the consequences of attempting that order would be.

I don’t know how you would even get the foot soldiers to carry out the order, Congress to fund the mission and not impeach the President, or the Supreme Court to uphold such an order? Therefore, any disarmament of the nation would only be attempted if there was complete anarchy and it was the will of the people of this nation to disarm in order to reestablish a civilized society.

Chuck Baldwin always looks on the dark side and panders to conspiracy nuts. There is no Christian teaching found here but there certainly is a lot of seeds planted for rebellion. If you want my take on his ridiculous view of Romans 13 check my other responses to the articles of Chuck Baldwin on this Blog. Chuck Baldwin needs some guidance by other Christian leaders so he will preach the true gospel, apparently he forgot what that is. I am willing to bet that they did not teach Baldwin’s stuff in Bible college.

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Chuck Baldwin — Still Looking For The Black Regiment: “Specifically, The Black Regiment is comprised of pastors who believe in constitutional government. They support the principles contained in the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. Their loyalties lie with Biblical and historic American principles, not political parties or politicians. They understand the importance of national sovereignty and independence. They oppose any attempt to merge the United States into any kind of regional or hemispheric government, whether it be political or commercial. They oppose preemptive wars of aggression. They refuse to surrender their individual liberties under the rubric of ’security,’ which means they oppose warrantless wiretaps and eavesdropping and any other encroachment of our freedoms. Black Regiment preachers are not pantywaists. They are not controlled by church committees or boards. They preach the Word of God without fear or favor. They call a spade a spade. They cannot be bought or bullied.

In other words instead of preaching the light of the gospel of Christ those in Baldwin’s Black regiment will teach going back to some pie in the sky America that never really existed. They will preach a gospel of keeping the biblical Laws to save their delusional America as if it were their own promised land on earth and is if the unsaved in America could keep the Law.

They will answer to no God given Church authority or government authority. They apparently will only answer to themselves and Colonel Chuck Baldwin. They will call preaching their own interpretation of the American Constitution preaching the Word. Like the Bible they read they will tend to understand the written words but miss the Spirit. They call a spade a spade and a heart a club. They cannot be bought or bullied but they can be deluded and deceived.

They always assume the worst about government because they believe that God advocated His control over the earth to Satan and that Satan is now bringing in his agenda through world leaders which we must resist. They see no purpose for spiritual warfare, seem to be devoid of the spirit and seem faithless. The weapons of their warfare are carnal resistance.

From these types came all the violence in the history of the earth. They often cloak their crusade in a cloak of righteousness but they lead people to endless destruction.

Tell this rebel leader no thanks and if you already joined his regiment I advise that you desert.

Chuck Baldwin — Have Christians Already Accepted The Mark Of The Beast?: “Can we not say that, in their own way, Germany’s pastors and churches accepted the mark of the beast? Sure they did. No, Hitler was not THE antichrist, but he certainly exemplified the spirit of antichrist. As such, he deserved to be resisted. However, before we become too judgmental toward the Christians of 1930’s Germany, we should look in the mirror. Are not many Christians in these United States behaving in the exact same manner? Have not many of us already embraced the spirit of antichrist? And if so, have we not, in our own way, already accepted the mark of the beast? Sure we have. Many pastors and Christians embrace the authoritarian policies of one George W. Bush with the same enthusiasm and blind loyalty as Germans did Hitler.”

Chuck Baldwin has turned out to be a false teacher. He chides Christians for any interest that might have in the timing of the second coming as something a Christian should not be spending time on but he himself continually spends all his own time attacking our government and George Bush which he equates to Hitler and the Antichrist. No true Christian would do this!

I don’t often judge the person although I do judge what they say but in this case I have to make an exception because Chuck Baldwin is teaching Christians to believe doctrines of hate. Beware, He is the prime example of a false teacher.

Oh by the way, the Bible says that those who take the Mark cannot be saved so implying that Christians already have taken the Mark is quite a contradiction.