Paul Proctor — Betrayal of Christ by Christian Leaders Continues: “In a December 17th 2007 article titled, Rick Warren Counsels Jews on Recruiting Congregants, the Christian Post reported that the beloved senior pastor and founder of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest California, a Southern Baptist congregation, ‘attended a large Reform Jewish gathering last week to share tips on how to build a community.’
So, instead of sharing Christ with his Jewish audience, Pastor Warren shared ‘tips on how to build a community?’”

He obviously has too many purpose driven seekers on his hands and wants the Jews to entertain them for awhile. Why else would he want to help build Jewish congregations?

“Why is this double-minded man still pastoring a Southern Baptist church? What does he have to do to get fired? And why do SBC pastors continue to teach and promote his books, his programs, his sermons and his P.E.A.C.E. Plan when apparently being Purpose Driven doesn’t even require faith in Christ?
If anyone can be Purpose Driven, then who needs Jesus?”

I think you know why they they still promote Rick Warren. You stated it below.

In California you are going to find thousands of people who think like Rick Warren and thus, they attend his church. Also remember he tells those who do not agree with his program to find another church, many have. That is why he does not get fired, he has like minded people in his congregation. He is not unique in America, even much more doubled minded people have large followings. Americans just tend to worship media stars.

“Unfortunately, too many of today’s pastors, both inside and outside the Southern Baptist Convention have totally invested themselves and their churches into the Purpose Driven paradigm. To speak up now and rebuke Warren publicly would require they admit to their colleagues and congregations that they were wrong about the man and his teachings. And with so much pride at stake and so many careers and ministries in the balance, I dare say there aren’t many out there who would be willing to step forward to confess and repent.”

Mike Huckabee for President - Blogs - Dr. Rick Warren Statement: “what I find most appealing is his self-deprecating humor. That’s a key sign of a spiritually and emotionally healthy leader - someone who is comfortable with himself, is authentic, doesn’t wear a mask, and is secure enough to be humble. People love that.””

I have been told that Mike Huckabee had a Purpose Driven Church. I have no reason to believe that this is not true. I do know that Huckabee endorses Kenneth Copeland and does not know what Mormons believe, which says wonders about Him.

The link above is an endorsement that Rick Warren made on Mike Huckabee.

Notice that Rick Warren thinks that a self-deprecating sense of human is the key sign of a spiritually and emotionally healthy leader. I am sure Jesus and Paul would have a different opinion. I guess Rodney Dangerfield was quite a spiritual leader in Rick Warren’s eyes.

WorldNetDaily: Rick Warren’s distortions of reality: “Rick Warren loves to apologize for things he didn’t do, for things other people did that weren’t wrong, even for things that occurred hundreds of years before he was born. “

I have noticed over the years that Rick Warren just panders to the audience. What he says to Christians on a issue will not necessarily be be what he says to the media or the world power brokers on the same issue. His message is typically post-modern where truth is relative and adjustable to those being pandered to for his own end.

This is why he is signing on to wordily agendas and then apologizing or having to rationalize to other Christians why he jumped on board. Then to appease them he says he did not agree with much of what he signed??? You can’t love the world and the things of the world and make it your dominion and also appeal to those who know the dominion for Christians is not of this world, or at least not of this evil age. I think Rick Warren too often is found on both sides of the fence.

Handling Disunity – Rick Warren’s Way - CWN: “Warren begins his November 17 email by stating that the Bible speaks more about unity then of Heaven and Hell. Though I haven’t taken the time to count up the references yet, I am confident that this isn’t so. Let me ask, what about references insisting that we ministers hold to sound doctrine Rick? Does unity outweigh that too? It would appear so at least in Warrenessee. Warren concludes by telling his estimated 400,000+ readers that disunity is Satan’s greatest weapon against the Church. What? While it might be construed as progress that Rick Warren even acknowledges the existence of Satan, to espouse the notion that disunity is the Devil’s chief weapon is not just poor theology. It is a lie. Sins, such as greed and lust, are Satan’s greatest weapon against the Church. However, if Rick Warren is able to make these statements unchallenged then slothfulness and biblical ignorance are obviously gaining ground.”

WorldNetDaily: Global warming and Christian discernment
One of the reasons my children are homeschooled is to avoid the brainwashing they would received in either public schools or even private schools on issues like global warming.
Last week, I learned that one of my children is being taught about the crisis global warming represents in a Christian homeschool cooperative biology class!
It’s bad enough my oldest daughter was forced to endure repeated and required showings of Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” in an art class in a public college. But now we see this agitprop deceiving even those who should know better.
Nowhere in the Bible does God directly or indirectly warn us of the dangers of carbon dioxide, a natural, non-polluting gas as necessary to life on our planet as oxygen.
Instead, God warns us about a real pollutant in our environment. It’s called sin.
Is there not enough real sin in the world for Christians to combat? Why do believers emulate the world in worrying about a phantom crisis that doesn’t threaten the natural life or eternal fate of even one person on the planet? Where is the ability of these believers to discern truth from fiction?

Rick Warren and Dissent - CWN: “Rick, if you don’t want the reputation of offering condom-driven solutions, stop inviting these political left-wingers to your church. Even Salon Magazine has noted Saddleback’s “left-wing” turn. If you want to dance with the devil, don’t blame sincere Christians for reporting on it.”

WorldNetDaily: Why Warren embraces Hillary: “It’s more than an effort at bipartisanship and consensus-building that causes Saddleback Church Pastor Rick Warren to embrace Hillary Clinton in his efforts to battle AIDS. It is the fact that they share a mistaken and dangerous commitment to expensive, extra-constitutional, globe-trotting, international socialist spending policies by the U.S. government in waging that battle.”

“So why turn to the government? Why not turn to the affluent church in the U.S.?
Is the church really too small and too ineffective at taking on this challenge? Is that the way the Bible instructs us to think and act as believers? Don’t we serve a God bigger even than the federal government in Washington, D.C.?
Do you see my problem with this kind of thinking?
I don’t want to discourage people from trying to do good – especially believers. But it is important to follow the biblical prescription for good works. Nowhere in the Bible do I see believers called to force people to join their ministry. Nowhere in the Bible do I see believers called to lobby government to take on its burdens. Nowhere in the Bible do I see believers “partnering” with government because the church is “too poor” to accomplish its objectives.
This is worldly thinking.
The church’s job is to minister to people in need to demonstrate the glory of the One they serve. How can the church do that when they are yoked to government’s confiscating money by force from people.”

Well Rick Warren is not a member of the CFR for no reason. He is a globalist who thinks that government and world religion should be working hand in hand to solve all of man’s problems. It sounds good from a socialist human point of view but it really is a form of dominionism. It plays no role in bringing the world the gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. On the contrary, these people operate under the false assumption that man without a spiritual transformation can solve mankind’s problems on the earth. That is deceptive and delusional thinking, it is not biblical teaching.

Christian leaders criticized for seeking ‘common ground’ with Muslim imams (OneNewsNow.com): “Brigitte Gabriel is founder of the American Congress for Truth and author of the book Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America. She says the letter displays a disturbing lack of knowledge about the Koran. ‘Our terrorist enemies — who have launched an attack against the West and against the infidels, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, atheists and everything else — those terrorists repeated[ly] quote the Koran and many, many verses of the Koran and the Hadith,’ she points out. ‘…the accompanying books of the Koran [talk] about how Islam looks on unbelievers, or the Kafirs, as those who are condemned to go to hell.’ Gabriel says the Christian community would be wiser to call Muslim imams on the carpet by urging them to tell their fellow Muslims to ’stop committing acts of barbarism in the name of their religion.’ She is also disturbed that Hybels and Warren are suggesting that God and Allah are one”

Paul Proctor — Christian leaders betray Christ for world peace: “How then can Christians join Muslims to love God together and not be an abomination before Him? We’re talking about two entirely different ‘Gods’ here - not the same God with differing names. And that’s the big lie hidden in this global agenda. By swapping love letters with Muslims, these ‘Christian leaders’ endeavor to legitimize the illegitimate by setting aside the whole counsel of God for Results & Relationships. Jesus Christ is not the Son of Allah; and to even imply that He is by claiming to love the same ‘God’ as Muslims is not only being dangerously deceitful - it’s blasphemy! “

“And that’s what this is really all about - systematically merging the two faiths into one through the dialectic process - not merely finding “common ground” or “reflecting” a “common love for God,” but actually creating a common god for the common good.
Who stands to benefit from this?
The coming antichrist, of course.
Kind of gives a whole new meaning to the term “church growth movement,” doesn’t it?”

Well said. These new Evangelicals are emerging into universalism. They know the buzz words to say when they are speaking to Christians but there agenda is not the agenda of Jesus Christ it is the agenda of the world and the Antichrist.

How deceptively they did all this. Pastors wants church growth so they developed a methodology to bring in unbelievers into the church and develop a big following. Now these Gurus will take the dumbed down Christians that remain down emerging paths of apostasy to a universal belief that demotes the Son as just another way of many ways to God.

U.S. evangelicals strive to change attitudes on AIDS U.S. Reuters: “Some Saddleback members felt uneasy at being urged to care for AIDS sufferers. ‘They felt that our job was to speak to people’s spiritual needs, that the church was about saving souls. I completely disagreed. This is historically at the heart of our Christian faith,’ she said.”

I have no problem with the church helping AIDS victims but Kay Warren’s statement above is nonsense. The Church is on earth to proclaim salvation of the soul to all who hear the Truth and believe it. How can she disagree with that? Where is that historical record that Kay Warren talks about? Where is the biblical foundation for holding that belief? If you really want to help all the dying people on this planet (we are all dying) don’t just give people a band-aid for their body give them Jesus for their soul.

Now readers should see a big part of the problem at Saddleback and the whole purpose driven movement. They have a worldly social agenda rather than a spiritual commission. They will even get into bed with secular humanists and pagans to try to fix all the things on earth that cannot be fixed because man freely chooses to live in sin.

WorldNetDaily: Begging forgiveness of Islam?: “Jesus did not teach believers to seek common ground with the world. He did not teach us to conform ourselves to the ways of those who deny Him. He did not teach us to compromise our faith to find peace. He, did, however, command us to ‘Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature’ (Mark 16:15). If today’s Christian leaders want peace, they should be about the business of their Lord, spreading the Gospel to Muslims and other non-believers, rather than conducting interfaith dialogues with those who keep those non-believers in darkness. “

David Jeremiah Proposes “Major Paradigm Shift” for His Church: “David Jeremiah’s 2003 book, Life Wide Open, has a subtitle of ‘Unleashing the Power of a Passionate Life.’ In the introduction of the book, Jeremiah tells readers that ‘A Small handful among us have discovered what the rest of us would pay dearly to know: How can we bring real, living excitement into this life?’ Jeremiah goes on to tell readers that ‘This book is a map to the life of passion and purpose, the life wide open…’ Who are these small handful of people who have discovered the secret? Well according to Jeremiah’s book, his list includes Rick Warren, contemplative, feminine spiritualist Sue Monk Kidd ( When the Heart Waits), contemplative Calvin Miller (Into the Depths of God), Buddhist sympathizer Peter Senge (The Fifth Discipline), emerging church leader Erwin McManus, contemplative Michael Card, and Brother Lawrence (Practicing the Presence of God). “

I think we are seeing the domino effect of the apostasy of the seeker, prosperity and emergent churches. This is a paradigm shift all right. In one generation much of “Christianity” has gone from biblical doctrine into pagan mysticism.

Shamanism in the Church The Berean Call: A number of prominent ministries use the eagle as a corporate symbol, and most of these do so quite innocently. But research into the testimony of a young prophetess associated with C. Peter Wagner’s self-titled New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) raises great concern. (The NAR, a blended resurrection of several modern heresies-kingom-dominionism, manifest sons of God, new breed, et al.-is spreading like wildfire through a growing number of charismatic and evangelical churches.) Here is just one example of cause for alarm:

“why do the neo-prophets and apostles of today use the eagle as a symbol of choice? Many ‘prophetic’ ministries associate eagles with tremendous natural vision and observable qualities of ‘rising above;’ but like shamans and seers-ancient and modern-they err in assigning to eagles spiritual qualities. An occult website declares the eagle’s role is that of an ‘illuminating force’ that rises on the east wind, whose gift is that of ’seeing hidden spiritual truths’ and ‘whose strength is by its connection to spirit guides.’ The website advises: ‘One who flies with the Eagle has a responsibility…to operate from Higher Intent, to develop the latent abilities of Illumination, and then freely share this Illumination with Others.’ In other words, a seer who channels the eagle is to ‘impart’ this knowledge and ‘gifting’ to others.”

“apostolic-prophetic” leaders who often teach with or promote Bob Jones also use the symbol of an eagle in their ministry logo: Paul Keith Davis, Rick Joyner, Bobby Conner, Cindy Jacobs, and others. Does this mean they also have the spirit of Swift to help them “carry out the purposes of God?” Not necessarily-but the connection between “eagle spirits,” shamans, and today’s neo-prophetic seers is unmistakable. This is the New Spirituality.”

Is anyone connecting the dots between this and my previous posts? They are all just different paths to the same end. Rick Warren’s “Peace Plan”, the Emergent Church, Willow Creek’s “Shift”, charismatic Kingdom/Now theology, Schuller’s rethinking conference, Oprah’s Secret etc.. is about dominionism and bringing pagan theology into the church in the name of unity and world peace.

The Latest “P” - Reconciliation: “Put this quotation on a global scale and apply it to tribes and warring factions, people groups and nations, and you can see how grandiose this thinking becomes. It is tantamount to a revolutionary new gospel. In fact, Brian McLaren includes a quotation in his 2006 book The Secret Message of Jesus (W Publishing Group) which seems to tie all of this together:

‘The radical revolutionary empire of God is here, advancing by reconciliation and peace, expanding by faith, hope, and love–beginning with the poorest, the weakest, the meekest, and the least. It’s time to change your thinking. Everything is about to change. It’s time for a new way of life. Believe me. Follow me. Believe this good news to you so you can learn to live by it and be part of the revolution.’ (pp. 32-33) [emphasis added]“

So now is there any doubt why Rick Warren has changed planting churches to “promote reconciliation” in the P of his PEACE plan acronym? Rick Warren obviously has bought into Dominion Theology and Brian McLaren’s heresy. Willow Creek’s seeker churches have as well. If nobody sees the setting up of the world harlot who rides the Beast of Revelation taking place here they have little understanding of Bible prophecy. Not to mention the scriptures that warn us that this end time apostasy would come from among those who call themselves “Christians”.

Warren challenges Baptists to promote peace worldwide, starting in Texas: “Pastor Rick Warren, presenting a keynote address at the annual meeting of the Baptist General Convention of Texas has encouraged Christians once again to ‘establish the kingdom of God’ here on planet earth. Warren is well known for a three-legged stool plan designed to implement his global PEACE plan. Warren learned about such a plan from his mentor Peter Drucker, a well known consultant who promoted church growth methods focused on a market-driven Christianity. Warren’s three-legged stool plan has three legs - business, government and the church. “

There should be no doubt now that Rick Warren is a dominionist as well as an emergent “SHAPE” shifter. He has now changed the first meaning of the original meanings of his acronym P.E.A.C.E. of his global Peace Plan.

Planting churches is now replaced with promoting reconciliation. With who? Rome? Heretics? Muslims? Pagans?

Mitt Romney’s Purpose-Driven Pandering - Adam Graham - Oct 17, 07: “He talked about no matter what region of the country he was in, the values were all the same across America. He began to list these American values: “We believe in hard work; we believe in education; we believe in the sanctity of life; we believe in marriage; we believe in God.” At this point, the speech took a bizarre turn. “Even those of us who don’t believe in God believe in something greater than ourselves, as Rick Warren calls it, ‘Purpose Driven Life.’” “

I can see why Mitt Romney believes what he believes about Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Life. Rick Warren seems confused on the issue himself. He says it is written to Christians to Christians and for the secular crowd he peddles it as a success book for everyone. I have read the book and it does indicate that everyone needs to find their purpose in Life, even non believers. Actually the writer of this article seems a little confused about what is in the book.

CNN.com - CNN Political Ticker Obama: GOP doesn’t own faith and values «: After speaking to an evangelical church on Sunday in this traditionally conservative South Carolina city, Sen. Barack Obama said that Republicans no longer have a firm grip on religion in political discourse.
“I think its important particularly for those of us in the Democratic Party to not cede values and faith to any one party,” Obama told reporters outside the Redemption World Outreach Center where he attended services.

” I just want all of you to pray that I can be an instrument of God in the same way that Pastor Ron and all of you are instruments of God.’ He finished his brief remarks by saying, ‘We’re going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.’“

The above link was taken down hours after it was posted by Matt Drudge but what Obama said can also be viewed at
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2007/10/07/obamamessiah-create-a-kingdom-on-earth/

Barack Obama claims that Republicans no longer have a firm grip on religion in political discourse, that is true. Most Evangelicals would say they are Christian and not religious. Religious people tend to try to get to heaven based on there own good works which is quite impossible. Christians on the other hand, get to heaven based on what God already did in His Son.

It is very telling that Barack Obama would attend a heretical “Word Church” with a name it and claim it prosperity gospel. Two people he phrases in his speech have serious problems of their own. Bishop Jakes is a heretical oneness pentecostal that denies the Trinity or at least he will not affirm it. Rick Warren is so interwoven with world psychology and power brokers that it get rather hard to sort out what gospel he is now preaching. The gospel he preaches in his church and the purpose driven seeker friendly movement that he started, is really a watered down gospel that preaches a gospel of self fulfillment for want-to-be successful baby bloomers.

Obama said that he is confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth. That view is heretical dominion theology. The Bible does not teach that the Church is going to bring a Kingdom on earth before the return of the King. Follow my links for more information on these subjects.

One thing Word People, Warren and Obama all seem to have in common is the idea that religion is going to bring a paradise to this earth. This view all ties in with the Harlot of Revelation that rides the Beast Kingdom of the Antichrist into power.

The only faith these people have in God is what God is allowed to do through the works of mankind. Thus, they make God dependent on the sinful choices of sinful men. The reason they do this is that although they claim a relationship with God they deny His power. Obama does not understand or believe the scriptures or he would not be taking positions of being pro choice, pro homosexual, pro socialist and anti fundamental Christians.

All this says wonders about the apostasy and the lack of discernment of the mega church pastors like Warren and Carpenter when they allow someone with Obama’s anti Christian values to speak from their pulpit to deceive their sheep. The motivation they have for doing so is certainly not coming from God.

The great divide between true Christians and pseudo Christians is that true Christians trust in God while pseudo Christians trust in the works of man. One is a belief of faith the others is a religion of works. Obama clearly thinks he knows better than God or does not believe the Bible is the word of God. In either case he in not to be instructing the Church. Obama is clearly a globalist secular humanist who puts on the airs of Christianity for his own convenience.

Obama and all those pastors and church boards who let him preach in their church have earned the Demented Delusional or Dumb Club of the week award. Congratulations, one and all!

Removing the Offense of the Cross: The Ineffectualness of Candy Coated Partial Romantic Gospel Appeals - CWN: “Just tell an audience that God is crazy about you; that He doesn’t want to punish you; that the dread Sovereign of the universe is a powerless lover down on one knee begging you to be His bride and has to wait to see if you choose to accept Him; that the whole universe is proposing to you; that He wants you to fall in love with Him; that His law is designed just to make this world a better place; and as you proclaim the gospel to insure the highest success from as many nonbelievers as possible, make sure you don’t speak about repentance from sin; justification by faith; the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ; submission to the Lordship of Jesus Christ; don’t ever mention Scripture specifically, open up a Bible and actually read it, or use Bible sounding words; just carry a surfboard against the backdrop of beautiful scenery, walk along a beach and show that you’re a regular guy who can relate by talking about how fast the planet earth revolves around the sun, get all giggly that God created laugher, and make it as comfortable as possible for people to hear some things about the gospel; but don’t ever mention that you must come to the end of yourself–deny yourself; take up your cross and follow Him; don’t ever tell them that God is angry with them and His wrath abides on them; don’t mention Hell (to negative); don’t ever tell them that they have to hate their own lives, their father, mother, brother, sister, son and daughter and love Him more than all other loves or they cannot be His disciple; just reassure them that God loves them just the way they are and wants to give them a better life if they would cry out and say ‘I love You too.’”

The Second Commandment Republicans - TIME: “For Huckabee and Brownback, a moment of biblical temptation looms. Both will be spending most of their time in Iowa, where Republicans have a strong religious bent. Both Robertson and Buchanan have done well there. The temptation will be to slouch back to hellfire and brimstone to unite conservative Christians. It will be an exquisite test of faith for a Second Commandment Christian like Huckabee: Thou Shalt or Thou Shalt Not? Can you win the Iowa caucus without losing your soul? “

The author simply does not understand Christianity. The leaders he mentioned and implied taught the prospect of hell over the prospect of heaven actually did not.

Christian doctrine teaches both and in any balanced ministry both should be taught. One is taught to lead people to Christ and the other tells those who reject Christ’s love their end fate. Both messages lead people to Christ. Iowa Christians are aware of Christian doctrine. If Huckabee and Brownback proclaim Christian doctrine they will have nothing to fear from these conservative Christians. They do not have to preach some hellfire and brimstone message to unite conservative Christians. They just have to be right on the moral issues.

The so called hellfire and brimstone preachers you named have always taught this balance. However, when it comes to social issues such as abortion and homosexuality someone has to alert the public of the grave danger to our society and to the souls involved in immorality and that is what these ministries were called to focus on.

If Huckabee and Rick Warren do not talk about the spiritual problems in America and truly only offer social solutions then their solutions are no better then any government social liberal program.

God did not call the Church to fix all the problems in the world. He called it to preach the Good News that there is Salvation for mankind in Jesus Christ. We are to be an example to the world and to do good works out of love so that the world can see Christian love in practice and want to be part of Christ. However, If Rick Warren and Mike Huckabee have replaced the great commission with a social commission shame on them. I am not saying that this is the case but the author seems to imply it is the case in his article.

The second of Jesus’ two commandments is to love your neighbor as you love yourself, but the first commandment is to Love God with your whole heart, soul and mind. You cannot carry out the second commandment until you know God and love Him. Thus the first great commission of Christians is to teach Jesus, so man can know and love God. Social works are great but without loving God man does not have the relationship with God to lovingly fulfill the second of Jesus’ commandments.