Pat Robertson says dividing Jerusalem risks God’s wrath
Pat Robertson says dividing Jerusalem risks God’s wrath - Examiner.com: “VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (Map, News) - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said Monday that the United States will risk God’s wrath if it forces Israel to surrender part of Jerusalem to the Palestinians. ‘He that touches Jerusalem touches the apple of God’s eye,’ Robertson said on ‘The 700 Club,’ the daily religious news-and-talk television program he hosts from his Christian Broadcasting Network. ‘And if we decide we’re going to wrest East Jerusalem away from the Jews and give it over to the Palestinians, we’re risking the wrath of God on this nation, and I think it’s very dangerous,’ Robertson “
As for judgment of the US - I think Bush already laid the Rice that broke the camels back when he equated demonic Islam with Christianity and Allah with the Creator and displayed that lie in front of billions of people who think that Bush is a Christian and that Bush speaks what American Christians believe. His wish to Divide Jerusalem for a delusional false peace is another symptom of his spiritual disease. America will suffer the consequences because national leaders generally reflect the thinking of the people in their nation.
Date posted: Wednesday, October 17th, 2007 5:33 pm | Under category: Apostasy, Bible prophecy teachers, Islam, Israel, Jerusalem
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I have been familiar With Pat Robertson and the 500 club for many yars now.
His theology for His thinking centers around the concept of the Return of Israel with the Reconstruction of the Temple of the Jews at its original location. His whole religious concept focusing on Israel as the central figure for prophetic reality to come is a major wresting of the very descriptive language of the prophecies of Daniel 9 relative to the first appearing of Messiah and of the other words of prophecy from other Bible Prophets. A Theology founded upon Major distortions of prophetic contexts.
Israel, as a nation to God Lost that favor from the year they cried out to Pilate, “Crucify Him.”
“Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and upon your city … to bring in everlasting righteousness…” Dan. 9:24 The oportunity for Israel as a nation to God has
passed since near 2000 years past. Their opportunity for life with God in Messiah is as with all nations: To align ourselves as individuals to the Living God in the person of His Great Good News, Jesus, The Christ (”Messiah’) of the Prophets. And that Gospel was Opened to the Jew “First” and “Then” to the Nations, at the close of the “Seventy Weeks.”
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God’s greater wrath will be upon those who have embraced the way of confusing contexts over His simple descriptive orders for events to transpire according to His prophetic outline for coming history, since the era of Babylon, for proper sequence and proper placement of Daniel’s years toward the First and Second advents of His Messiah.
“Despise not Prophesying. Prove all things. Hold fast that which is Good.” 2Thes.5:19-23.
God does not have wrath on his own children so your ridiculous statement about greater wrath does not apply to Christians.
God’s greater disappoint is with those like you who cannot read the OT promises to Israel as literal events so you have to spiritualize them to the grafted in Church. Thus, you make God out to be a liar, make the prophets words meaningless fluff and you mock Christians who take God at His word.
You also cannot discern the times we live in because you misapply prophetic scriptures and you even help fulfill end time prophecy by supporting ungodly actions against Israel that the Bible said will bring God’s judgment on the world.
God will keep His covenant promises to natural Israel because He said He will. The Church is not natural Israel. The prophetic scriptures declared that natural Israel would reject their Messiah the first time and Paul said it was so that the Gentiles could be grafted in. Not replace Israel! The bible also declares that Israel will acknowledge their offense and that they will receive Him when He comes in power and glory the second time. You want to apply the kingdom promises to yourself but you will not apply the judgments. If you are Israel When are you going to acknowledge your offense? And when did you reject your Messiah?
You apparently want to replace Israel with the Church. No such doctrine is taught in scripture. No common reading of Daniel and Jesus quoting Daniel could possibly indicate that the seventy weeks have already been fulfilled. There is yet a week of years to be fulfilled for Israel.
No common reading of Daniel and all the other OT prophets could possibly indicate that the prophetic events were fulfilled in 70 AD and that we are now living in the millennium with Satan bound. That is all demented illogical nonsense. Events have to be fulfilled as the prophets declared. They have always been fulfilled literally and all that they said about judgment and the millennium will be fulfilled as literal events. They will not be fulfilled by algorizing them to some mystical illusions that certain blind theologians wish to assign to the Church.
It is not Pat Robertson who is wrong about this issue. It is you with your heretical replacement theology that is wrong. By the way, Pat Robertson’s club is the 700 club not the 500 club.
It is not Pat Robertson who is wrong about this issue. It is you with your heretical replacement theology that is wrong. By the way, Pat Robertson’s club is the 700 club not the 500 club.
OK., Don, Your right. I shorted Pat by 200. At least I can understand and compute the reality for the difference in consecutive sequence. Such as 7 plus 62, measured from a “determined ” fixed point is, in consecutive addition, a total of 69. In simple adding one more in God’s omnicient accounting for numbers in His unbroken consecutive sequence is an absolute 70. And to the mid- week truly must be 3 12 years into the seventith week.
Beside being an unreasonable manner ( and I do believe God is a god of reason, as is strongly implied scripturally) for computing the 483 years to Messiah, 445 BC falls to far beyond the reality of the historic and political figures named in the New Testament concerning either Jesus’ birth or his death. The close of 69 weeks (483 years) woudl be about the year 37/38AD. Attempting to answer this difference by attempting to wrest the jewish manner for reckoning the days of their year is invalid and even fictitions, relative to their own account ing manner for compensating their loss of days relative to the seasons of the year: still works out to at least 365 and 1/4 days per the solar year.
Don, neither you nor Pat Robertson ot exhibit your own knowledge for understand of the knowledge by a personal Godly commitment to the Scriptures directly inspired by their supreme, omniscient author, and confirmer, Jesus the Messiah. Who confirmed all prophecy by His own presence, death, burial resurrection and ascension to “he midst of the week,” To all the Jewish and Gentile peoples of the world, “causing the sacrifice and oblations” of the Jewish nation “to cease” as an “abomination” to Himself, in all who should thereafter continue such ritual made unworthy for acceptance “by His own sacrifice” “Once for all.”
Why should Christ Reconsider to Reinstate that which He has declared “done away” in Jesus own sacrifice for the sins of the world?” And upon what people did he “determine” the fate of Jerusalem within what given period of time? The extention of the 70th week into an indefinite passage of time is both illogical and sets up great confusion for the reality of the prophecy which should, for our assurance prove the the historical Jesus was and is the Messiah of the Prophets of old. Daniel is the singular prophet who by Very “Spirit of Prophecy” [The Mind Of Christ] set forward the time by which “Messiah” under whatever name He might have assumed would be Identifiable beyond description of possible persons, place/s, and certain detailed events relative to that person. As I read the New Testament it has come clear to me that Jesus was expected about the very year (”acceptable year”). Who but Daniel could have set forward the information by which that “year of the Lord” might have been calculable to any Jew or Oriental star gazers (”wise men”) from the ‘East.?” Any Jew or sta gazer that is who were studious to gather reasonable information from the prophet /s, __ especially Daniel.
By the way. My mention of Daniel as referred to by Jesus was not intended to sya jesus “quoted” Daniel. Only to note that Jesus commended the reading of Daniel for our understanding of things to come to pas relative to the future with regard to His personal and secod Coming. And Daniel did foretell By Jesus’ Testimony to him of a ‘Determined’ time that should be revealed in the latter years, in “the times of the Gentiles” concerning the event of His (Jesus’) Second Coming. But of course not the exact “day nor the hour.” Only to the “Near” year , as was so for His First Advent.
I am almost willing to bet, you hold a theological degree, Don. Am I right?
Sorry, Don, “Anonymous” is Harvey Plunkett, author of the above commen in response to your your comment.
Harvey,
One of your mistakes is that you do not understand that God always uses a 360 day year in prophecy not our 365.25 day calender. From March 14 445 BC 69 week of years is 173,800 days. We need to remember that weeks are counted as years, and years had 360 days. 69 weeks (of year) x 7 (days in the week) = 483 x 360 (days in the year) = 173,800. Now if you take March 14, 445 B.C. when the decree to rebuild Jerusalem went forth, and add the 173,800 days, you come to the crucifixion in 32 AD. This is when Jesus was cut off at the end of the 69th week so there is yet to be a week fulfilled.
You say the Jews did not use a 360 day year when the prophecy was given to Daniel. Can you prove that? Ancient calenders of that era from many civilizations used a 360 day year. The extra month was added latter by the Jews because apparently the seasons were getting out of whack using the 360 day year. That is probably because the actual length of the year changed in the days of Hezekiah recorded when the sun dial moved backward. God uses a 360 day year in all His dealings as proved in Revelation and Daniel when 3 1/2 years and 42 months is also called 1260 days. There are a couple of other examples as well.
You cannot accept this so you think Daniel prophecy would go to 37-38 AD but no prophecy was fulfilled in 37-38 AD.
The sacrifices and offerings did not cease until 70 AD so your view simply puts no meaning on Daniels vision.
The Lamb of God was offered in 32 AD but no offering besides that one was ever acceptable for the forgiveness of sins. All past or future offerings by the Jews are coverings or ordinances in God’s covenant with them. They did not take away sin in ancient biblical days nor will they take away sin when they offer them again in the millennium as is prophesied in Ezekiel chapters 40 through 48 (there simply is no ways those chapters were fulfilled in the past or in heaven without making the whole prophecy absurd).
We take the sacrifice or ordnance of communion in remembrance because that was the ordnance that God gave the Church but the Jews were to sacrifice animal offerings until their physical role as a nation is accomplished on the earth. That role is to end all suffering and restore the planet to as it was before the fall of man. The will do this under the direction of their Messiah. After all enemies are defeated on earth and their is no more death the Jews will no longer need to be reminded that sin brings suffering and death to God’s creation displayed to them through animal sacrifices.
You then give me a long paragraph about Daniel’s dates pointing to the Messiah but you have yet to show me how your own dating scheme actually points to anyone?
Make all the bets you want about my degrees. None of that makes a hill of beans. I will get back on thread. The dividing of Jerusalem will be a disaster for the world because God has not completed his covenant with the house of Israel. The OT prophecies speak of this specific end time event where nations burden themselves over Jerusalem and what would happen to all nations that come against Israel. It was never fulfilled as written but it will be in our time.
The Jews rejected their Messiah but that was predicted. It was also predicted that one day they will accept their Messiah. The nation that said it was better that one man die for the people then the whole nation perish, will find out that the one man they killed will save their whole nation from perishing when they acknowledge their offense . What amazing grace!
“I take what I believe is the biblical view that unregenerate man is basically evil and that the world gets into increasingly self destructive behavior with increasingly self destructive tools at his disposal until the second coming of Jesus Christ. I also come from the point of view that prophetic scripture will be fulfilled in a literal sense and not in some allegorical spiritual way in a mystical Kingdom of Heaven.” Don Koenig.”
I too hold to the principle of your statement that confusion and its evil results will ever increase to the literal 2nd Coming of Jesus.
Don, sorry but your supposed correlation of scripture and history does not fit facts together from either Bible or history any more than does Pat Robertson. I went to your web site.
Don, If I may present myself in such boldness as you. Your one great error is the false suppositiion that there is yet a Biblical focus upon the nation Israel for a signifying event of fulfilment of the last week of the seventy weeks as far separated from the 69th week.
This very concept is, to me, as an issue I’m sure you might think to be so grave with regard to challenging the “time line” expressed by SDAs, using William Miller’s computation to affirm their ‘alternative doctrine’ of the “Investigative Judgment” as beginning from 1844. And I too believe that ‘doctrine’ to be a grave error, placing as it were a “stumbling stone” before believers who might otherwise be more biblically informed toward “rightly dividing the Word of God’s” “Sure Words of Prophecy” relative to Jesus Second Literal Advent.
Of course; since there is no Biblical Affirmation for that doctrine per se,’ to sustain the focus (illusion they have imagined.) I believe that Mr. Miller chose, with all personal honesty and integrity, although in error, to correlate and connect the seventy weeks of Daniel 9 to start his count of the “2300 days” of Daniel 8:14, with regard to the time-line for history set forward by “The Spirit of prophecy” presented through Daniel. But because Miller erred did not lessen the truth of his projection, that Christ should come, the second time, at the close of the 2300 “days.” His computation was in error but he was not working as in, or from some “delusional” focus.
Was he in a partial error for his computation? Yes. Did he have some sound reasoning concerning the possible correction of Hhis erring? Yes he did! And he sited it. Tthough his implication was never heeded. His thought was that he had overlooked some point of chronology by event in history that would have been correctly applicable as the proper commencement for the time period cited by Daniel. William Miller himself died without discovering where he had erred. But continued to believe ( and I think with biblical soundness that Christ would yet come at the close of the 2300 “days” as is cited from DAniel 8. His one point of error with regard to the chronology of events that should commence the longest time prophecy of the scriptures did not and does not mean that Mr. Miller was wholly in error for his forward focus to the closing of “the 2300″ at the event of Messiah’s Second Coming. But of this he seemed to be fully aware. Whereas most Theologians of our day simply seem to ignore, (perhaps you inclusively), that is, if one choses a wrong point of chronology from which to begin any count for either “days” or “years.”
It is only sound logic that the point of reference determined for the end will also be an absoluute error. William Miller, as a man of honesty and integrity, quite humbly wrote an open admition to the public that he indeed had erred in his publicized computation for His expectation of the Second Coming of Christ in the year 1844. But I do not believe that his error in any way negates this man as some false prophet of his time. Nor did he ever perceive of himself as a prophet, or proclaim himself as one.
I also, after much comparison through Bible study perceive that he was not wholly in error: although much error has since followed after him by a continuance of the “delusional concepts” propagated on the basis of his “computations.” Such as will be the case concerning much of your even more confused doctrine built upon your misconceptions in anticipation of the restoration of literal Israel: As per the Faith of Abraham, in the person of Jesus, the Messiah of Daniel, I too am a child of the ‘Israel of God” more than child born into the nation “Israel,” professing themselves “a people of God,” to the the close of time, yet in continuance of rejection of Him , DENYING that “Messiah HAS COME IN THE FLESH:” the true “spirit of the Anti-Christ as is described by John.
I have no desire to follow after delusions and confusions.
I am searching for “ears” that desire more than “scracthing.” And again, I am informed by the Jesus and His Prophets that such ears will be too few.
Harvey Plunkett
Harvey,
What in the world is wrong with your calendar? 445 + 32 = 477 x 360 = 171720 (- 360 days because their was only one year between 1 BC and 1AD) . I admit I got my original figures from Dr. David Jeremiah’s book and it does not add up but others have come up with their own calculations and they all are somewhere in their own ballpark but it does not matter. Frankly I do not give a rats butt if it works out exactly or not because Bible Prophecy is not based on us figuring exact days when we are not 100 percent sure when to even start counting those days from.
You seemed to have missed my point completely about the calendars. The earths orbit around the sun was 360 days prior to the day the sundial moved backward in the days of Hezekiah. There are several theories on how that is possible but I am not going to get into that here. All I will say is that ALL ancient calendars during that period had A 360 solar calendar and these were not stupid people. As I said, the extra time was added to the Jewish calendar after most of this period. Now you know why all dating is off. It happen also in the days of Joshua and it might have happened at the flood as well. Thinks are not as stable in the universe as scientists think. People were not worshiping Mars and Venus and horned Gods in the sky because they saw a planet that they really could not tell the difference from a star. There are books on the subject if you care to investigate. However, don’t worry, when Enoch and Elijah come back they will set the ancient record straight.
There is nothing in Daniel that would indicate the 70 weeks are consecutive. It is obviously a prophecy about the Jews until the Messiah is cut off with one week for Israel at some point. There could be a double reference here but we know there is a future seven year period and the time of Jacob’s trouble. Daniel spoke of this seven year period very clearly in his other prophecies. So it is not like we just pulled it out of thin air. There is a 7 year covenant and a 3 1/2 year period in the middle of the seven year covenant in Daniel’s other prophecies. Then there is the same indication in Revelation and what Jesus said at the Olivet discourse to the Jews about and the worst period ever on earth. So there is a trilogy of proof that there remains a seven year period a trouble for Israel that has not happened yet. Not to mention that all the other prophets talk about this period and the restoration after this period when Israel will be restored on a physical earth under her Messiah.
Look I don’t have the time or the desire to argue with you about your disagreement on my Interpretation of Daniel 70 weeks. The dating could differ but the theory is sound. To me it is on par with arguing evolution. Your going to see things your way and I am going to see things the dispensational way because it fits all bible prophecy. Nothing is based on just one scripture. We see scores of things to base our end time prophetic beliefs on. I however, do not have the time to argue with everyone who emails me long continuing dissertations on why they disagree with me. If you really have something to offer people write your own website. Just remember you will be held accountable for what you write.
We all know Jesus is the spirit of prophecy but that does not nullified the covenant promises He made to a natural people about natural borders and also make what all the Jewish prophets said about their Kingdom on earth meaningless fluff. Just look at the world condition and what is happening in the Middle East. If that does not ring your bell I guess nothing will.
I spent all weekend on computer problems and I still am at it. So this is it for me on this subject and this reply will also get posted as a reponse to your Blog comment. Sorry there is only 24 hours in a day.
blessings in Christ
Don