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	<title>Comments on: 2008 Finger lakes Bible conference with Chuck Missler and Dave Hunt</title>
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		<title>By: Christina Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Don,

I admire Chuck Missler and would call myself a fan of his teaching. I attended a Chuck Missler seminar in July 2009, when he toured Australia, and found him  fascinating and informative. So much so that, when his &quot;Strategic Perspectives 4&quot; DVD was recently released, featuring speakers from a conference held in Oct 2009, I eagerly ordered a copy and looked forward to some new insights.

Sadly, like you, I found Dr. Missler to be just like you described him above. I was surprised at this and, to be honest, rather disappointed.
 I am still very much an admirer of his teaching but this time I found some of the other speakers to be much more interesting and informative. 
Grant Jeffrey (of whom I hadn&#039;t heard prior to watching the DVD) spoke about global surveillance and the RFID chip -that was fascinating. I see you&#039;ve done a post on the chip so I&#039;m off to check it out.
Thank you for this website, it obviously  takes a lot of time and effort.
God bless,
Christina Charles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Don,</p>
<p>I admire Chuck Missler and would call myself a fan of his teaching. I attended a Chuck Missler seminar in July 2009, when he toured Australia, and found him  fascinating and informative. So much so that, when his &#8220;Strategic Perspectives 4&#8243; DVD was recently released, featuring speakers from a conference held in Oct 2009, I eagerly ordered a copy and looked forward to some new insights.</p>
<p>Sadly, like you, I found Dr. Missler to be just like you described him above. I was surprised at this and, to be honest, rather disappointed.<br />
 I am still very much an admirer of his teaching but this time I found some of the other speakers to be much more interesting and informative.<br />
Grant Jeffrey (of whom I hadn&#8217;t heard prior to watching the DVD) spoke about global surveillance and the RFID chip -that was fascinating. I see you&#8217;ve done a post on the chip so I&#8217;m off to check it out.<br />
Thank you for this website, it obviously  takes a lot of time and effort.<br />
God bless,<br />
Christina Charles</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took the time and went to this &quot;Bible prophecy conference&quot; and if you had been there you would know that there was very little Bible prophecy substance, that is my point. Since I have a website and blog on Bible prophecy and I took three days to attend that conference the point of this post was to inform others of what I observed and learned at this Bible prophecy conference. If nothing was said about what I learned it is because I learned nothing about Bible prophecy at that conference worth writing about.

I admire Dave Hunt and Chuck Missler&#039;s teaching or I never would have spent my time and money to go to the conference. There were four main guest speakers over three days. Hunt was sick and unprepared and in obviously pain and was almost intelligible, he spoke mostly on atheism. He really should not have even been there in his condition. I also have news, atheism is not Bible prophecy. Missler was rehashing old material and spending a third of his time teaching on why people should spend money to join his bible institute. A third person was the former pastor of that church and he did a good job but it was pretty generic teaching. There really was nothing noteworthy about Bible prophecy to report on there that I recall. The fourth speaker was flown in from Israel and was suppose to be some expert on the inner secrets of Israel because he once was in the military and now is a tour guide. The whole substance of his speech was that he had inner information that an attack on Iran would happen within six months. It never did. 

Billions of people are being misdirected? Get a grip! a few thousand at most have ever read this post and there is no misdirection in it. Have you ever heard of constructive criticism or are Christians above that? The only person bickering here is you. Just because Finger Lakes is a small conference does not mean that people should get second rate presentations from first rate billings. Hopefully the 2009 Finger Lakes conference was better. I did not attend that conference so I cannot comment on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the time and went to this &#8220;Bible prophecy conference&#8221; and if you had been there you would know that there was very little Bible prophecy substance, that is my point. Since I have a website and blog on Bible prophecy and I took three days to attend that conference the point of this post was to inform others of what I observed and learned at this Bible prophecy conference. If nothing was said about what I learned it is because I learned nothing about Bible prophecy at that conference worth writing about.</p>
<p>I admire Dave Hunt and Chuck Missler&#8217;s teaching or I never would have spent my time and money to go to the conference. There were four main guest speakers over three days. Hunt was sick and unprepared and in obviously pain and was almost intelligible, he spoke mostly on atheism. He really should not have even been there in his condition. I also have news, atheism is not Bible prophecy. Missler was rehashing old material and spending a third of his time teaching on why people should spend money to join his bible institute. A third person was the former pastor of that church and he did a good job but it was pretty generic teaching. There really was nothing noteworthy about Bible prophecy to report on there that I recall. The fourth speaker was flown in from Israel and was suppose to be some expert on the inner secrets of Israel because he once was in the military and now is a tour guide. The whole substance of his speech was that he had inner information that an attack on Iran would happen within six months. It never did. </p>
<p>Billions of people are being misdirected? Get a grip! a few thousand at most have ever read this post and there is no misdirection in it. Have you ever heard of constructive criticism or are Christians above that? The only person bickering here is you. Just because Finger Lakes is a small conference does not mean that people should get second rate presentations from first rate billings. Hopefully the 2009 Finger Lakes conference was better. I did not attend that conference so I cannot comment on it.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 05:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT, THIS LINK WOULD DISCUSS THE TOPICS  AT THE CONFRENCE. I COULDN&#039;T FIND ANY SUBSTANCE HERE. I FEEL AS IF I&#039;VE READ AN ENTIRE PAGE OF COMPLAINT.  WHAT IS THIS THE GOAL OF THIS PAGE? PLEASE FORGIVE ME, IF I AM OFFENSIVE. I MEAN NO HARM BUT  BILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE BEING MISDIRECTED. IS IT ME? IS IT YOU?
PLEASE GOD FORGIVE US ALL, FOR OUR BICKERING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT, THIS LINK WOULD DISCUSS THE TOPICS  AT THE CONFRENCE. I COULDN&#8217;T FIND ANY SUBSTANCE HERE. I FEEL AS IF I&#8217;VE READ AN ENTIRE PAGE OF COMPLAINT.  WHAT IS THIS THE GOAL OF THIS PAGE? PLEASE FORGIVE ME, IF I AM OFFENSIVE. I MEAN NO HARM BUT  BILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE BEING MISDIRECTED. IS IT ME? IS IT YOU?<br />
PLEASE GOD FORGIVE US ALL, FOR OUR BICKERING.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/01/19/2008-finger-lakes-bible-conference-with-church-missler-and-dave-hunt.html#comment-2698</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 11:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have learned a lot from Chuck Missler as well by buying some of his MP3 CD&#039;s and also listening to much of his free teaching on his website. I do recommend that people buy his teaching CD&#039;s. I was not criticizing his teaching or saying that he thinks you have to believe what he believes.  My point was that you can get the same CD&#039;s for half the price without joining the institute. If you think it is worth the extra money to interact with others and be tested on what you heard that is fine with me. Another point was that instead of teaching Bible prophecy at that Bible prophecy conference Missler was using much of his time slots to promote his own institute. 

 I really think that Missler and his trainees should take that four inch gaudy medal off of their neck when they go to Bible Prophecy conferences. Many of the people attending the conferences know as much about the Bible as those wearing these huge medals all day every day. Lets face it, the different color medals for public display is all about vanity and it makes those that wear them look like a bunch of Chuck Missler groupies. Even if I graduated from Dallas Theological Seminary I would not wear a four inch emblem displaying that around my neck at Bible conferences. 

Thanks for your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have learned a lot from Chuck Missler as well by buying some of his MP3 CD&#8217;s and also listening to much of his free teaching on his website. I do recommend that people buy his teaching CD&#8217;s. I was not criticizing his teaching or saying that he thinks you have to believe what he believes.  My point was that you can get the same CD&#8217;s for half the price without joining the institute. If you think it is worth the extra money to interact with others and be tested on what you heard that is fine with me. Another point was that instead of teaching Bible prophecy at that Bible prophecy conference Missler was using much of his time slots to promote his own institute. </p>
<p> I really think that Missler and his trainees should take that four inch gaudy medal off of their neck when they go to Bible Prophecy conferences. Many of the people attending the conferences know as much about the Bible as those wearing these huge medals all day every day. Lets face it, the different color medals for public display is all about vanity and it makes those that wear them look like a bunch of Chuck Missler groupies. Even if I graduated from Dallas Theological Seminary I would not wear a four inch emblem displaying that around my neck at Bible conferences. </p>
<p>Thanks for your response.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/01/19/2008-finger-lakes-bible-conference-with-church-missler-and-dave-hunt.html#comment-2697</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 06:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an on-line student with CM&#039;s Institute and have been blessed beyond anything I could have imagined.  My classmates are Bible-believing Christians from around the world who really desire to learn the Bible.  It is far more than taking multiple-choice quizzes.  We answer rather in-depth discussion questions, respond to each others answers, pray for each other, and try to be &quot;encouragers of one another&quot; in our growth in the Lord.  I have never heard Chuck Missler say we must believe the way he believes.  He challenges us to be good Bereans and spend much time in personal study and prayer to find what the Lord has to say.  As for his &quot;on-line&quot; concept, we all realize that &quot;on-line&quot; could be curtailed or derailed completely.  But, while it is still available, the Institute (which is composed of many dedicated believers volunteering their time), is getting the Word of God to people all over the world.  And, for me, that is just so important.  I truly believe that the Holy Spirit led me to KI, and I have dedicated my life to learning God&#039;s Word and sharing it with others.  So, the Institute may not be for everyone, but it is doing a marvelous job for many.  I am not angry at your comments; just wanted to share a personal response.  I have enjoyed your website and especially your wonderful collection of Christian links.  May the Lord continue to bless your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an on-line student with CM&#8217;s Institute and have been blessed beyond anything I could have imagined.  My classmates are Bible-believing Christians from around the world who really desire to learn the Bible.  It is far more than taking multiple-choice quizzes.  We answer rather in-depth discussion questions, respond to each others answers, pray for each other, and try to be &#8220;encouragers of one another&#8221; in our growth in the Lord.  I have never heard Chuck Missler say we must believe the way he believes.  He challenges us to be good Bereans and spend much time in personal study and prayer to find what the Lord has to say.  As for his &#8220;on-line&#8221; concept, we all realize that &#8220;on-line&#8221; could be curtailed or derailed completely.  But, while it is still available, the Institute (which is composed of many dedicated believers volunteering their time), is getting the Word of God to people all over the world.  And, for me, that is just so important.  I truly believe that the Holy Spirit led me to KI, and I have dedicated my life to learning God&#8217;s Word and sharing it with others.  So, the Institute may not be for everyone, but it is doing a marvelous job for many.  I am not angry at your comments; just wanted to share a personal response.  I have enjoyed your website and especially your wonderful collection of Christian links.  May the Lord continue to bless your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/01/19/2008-finger-lakes-bible-conference-with-church-missler-and-dave-hunt.html#comment-2312</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the way I have been understanding the millennial reign as well. Some of Missler&#039;s concepts I just cannot buy into. Some examples: Bible codes, Muslim Antichrist and part of he Church not taking part in the millennial reign over the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the way I have been understanding the millennial reign as well. Some of Missler&#8217;s concepts I just cannot buy into. Some examples: Bible codes, Muslim Antichrist and part of he Church not taking part in the millennial reign over the earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/01/19/2008-finger-lakes-bible-conference-with-church-missler-and-dave-hunt.html#comment-2310</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then there is the view put forth by Donald Grey Barnhouse, G.H. Pember, Noah Hutchings and others that the Kingdom of Heaven as presented by Jesus in The Gospel of Matthew is the Mellienial rule of Jewish nation over the earth (thus replacing &quot;the God of this world&quot;) and that the Kingdom of God is the overarching rule of God over the heavens and the earth and is reserved for the Church in Christ, (thus replacing &quot;the Prince of the Power of the air.&quot; and all the principlaities and powers in heavenly places (Eph. 6)). This explains the reason for the Gospel of the Kingdom as preached by Peter, and the Gospel of Grace as preached by Paul. Two entities (Israel and the Church), two areas or rulership (earth and heaven) two different callings (earthly and heavenly) and two different covenants (keeping the Law, salvation by Grace.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there is the view put forth by Donald Grey Barnhouse, G.H. Pember, Noah Hutchings and others that the Kingdom of Heaven as presented by Jesus in The Gospel of Matthew is the Mellienial rule of Jewish nation over the earth (thus replacing &#8220;the God of this world&#8221;) and that the Kingdom of God is the overarching rule of God over the heavens and the earth and is reserved for the Church in Christ, (thus replacing &#8220;the Prince of the Power of the air.&#8221; and all the principlaities and powers in heavenly places (Eph. 6)). This explains the reason for the Gospel of the Kingdom as preached by Peter, and the Gospel of Grace as preached by Paul. Two entities (Israel and the Church), two areas or rulership (earth and heaven) two different callings (earthly and heavenly) and two different covenants (keeping the Law, salvation by Grace.)</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/01/19/2008-finger-lakes-bible-conference-with-church-missler-and-dave-hunt.html#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waugh,I think I could believe that doctrine to be true it answers certain questions but raises other questions as well. 

So if that is true could that also mean that the Rapture would also be a reward just for the faithful at the Lord&#039;s return and not a birthright for all Christians as some teach?  I teach the escape from physical death is a reward for those pleasing God at His return and not a right. Examples being Enoch who pleased God so he did not see physical death and only one of the churches of Revelation being delivered from the time of trial that would come on all the earth. Not to mention in detail all the warnings to watch because we do not know when the Lord will return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waugh,I think I could believe that doctrine to be true it answers certain questions but raises other questions as well. </p>
<p>So if that is true could that also mean that the Rapture would also be a reward just for the faithful at the Lord&#8217;s return and not a birthright for all Christians as some teach?  I teach the escape from physical death is a reward for those pleasing God at His return and not a right. Examples being Enoch who pleased God so he did not see physical death and only one of the churches of Revelation being delivered from the time of trial that would come on all the earth. Not to mention in detail all the warnings to watch because we do not know when the Lord will return.</p>
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		<title>By: Waugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Chuck was relating about the Millennial Kingdom is not new. It may be new for him, but the early pre-Nicene church believed that resurrection into the Millennial reign was earned by faithfulness in a Christian. The doctrine had a resurgence in England in the 1800s, and it would be hard to find a house church in China that didn&#039;t teach the Kingdom accountability doctrine. Salvation is a gift. Inheritance (co-reigning) in the Kingdom age is a reward for undergoing hardship for the sake of the gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Chuck was relating about the Millennial Kingdom is not new. It may be new for him, but the early pre-Nicene church believed that resurrection into the Millennial reign was earned by faithfulness in a Christian. The doctrine had a resurgence in England in the 1800s, and it would be hard to find a house church in China that didn&#8217;t teach the Kingdom accountability doctrine. Salvation is a gift. Inheritance (co-reigning) in the Kingdom age is a reward for undergoing hardship for the sake of the gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really surprised Chuck Missler would talk like that, being a computer/intelligence/prophecy expert and all. 

“Everything about John’s prophecy demands the existence of a global computer network tied into a global economy and overseen by a global governmental authority. Until this generation, it was impossible.&quot;
-Omega Letter

I hope the Prince of Peace comes before all our good Bible teachers fall to pieces!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really surprised Chuck Missler would talk like that, being a computer/intelligence/prophecy expert and all. </p>
<p>“Everything about John’s prophecy demands the existence of a global computer network tied into a global economy and overseen by a global governmental authority. Until this generation, it was impossible.&#8221;<br />
-Omega Letter</p>
<p>I hope the Prince of Peace comes before all our good Bible teachers fall to pieces!</p>
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