Comments on: “The Shack” is “The Message” outhouse. http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html Don Koenig gives his wordviews on world and Church issues that often relate to Bible prophecy Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:29:33 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Gary http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-3782 Gary Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:12:23 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-3782 One of the problems of our modern secular world is the massive intrusion or the storyteller. We have been conditioned to allow ourselves to enjoy the parts of a story we like or believe and to suspend our disbelief regarding anything we don't seriously consider truth. This is what happened to me as I read The Shack. It was billed as a true story and i read it as such. I kept telling myself "This could happen." But I started reading lies well told. At first i suspended disbelief. Pretty soon I realized I'd been had. At that point I had to keep reminding myself that this is just a clever novel. In the end I find that I've been duped by my own willingness to submit Godly wisdom and discipline to my enjoyment of the American storytelling culture; namely movies. Sorry, Lord. One of the problems of our modern secular world is the massive intrusion or the storyteller. We have been conditioned to allow ourselves to enjoy the parts of a story we like or believe and to suspend our disbelief regarding anything we don’t seriously consider truth. This is what happened to me as I read The Shack. It was billed as a true story and i read it as such. I kept telling myself “This could happen.” But I started reading lies well told. At first i suspended disbelief. Pretty soon I realized I’d been had. At that point I had to keep reminding myself that this is just a clever novel. In the end I find that I’ve been duped by my own willingness to submit Godly wisdom and discipline to my enjoyment of the American storytelling culture; namely movies. Sorry, Lord.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-3182 Don Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:37:38 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-3182 One of many passages in the Message that miss the real message. Those who quote from The Message as if it is the word of God are not doing the Church any service. I will walk out of a church or a study that promotes the use of that postmodern paraphrase. One of many passages in the Message that miss the real message. Those who quote from The Message as if it is the word of God are not doing the Church any service. I will walk out of a church or a study that promotes the use of that postmodern paraphrase.

]]> By: Eric http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-3179 Eric Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:56:04 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-3179 Just to show how corrupt "The Message" translation is ... just take a look at JOHN 3:16, in comparison with the KJV: THE KJV "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." THE MESSAGE "This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life." Note how Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus on the need to become born-again, and it's obvious JOHN 3:16 speaks of ETERNAL LIFE. But THE MESSAGE distorts the intent and makes it appear as if Jesus is simply referring to a better type of worldly life. Just to show how corrupt “The Message” translation is … just take a look at JOHN 3:16, in comparison with the KJV:

THE KJV

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

THE MESSAGE

“This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life.”

Note how Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus on the need to become born-again, and it’s obvious JOHN 3:16 speaks of ETERNAL LIFE. But THE MESSAGE distorts the intent and makes it appear as if Jesus is simply referring to a better type of worldly life.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-1749 Don Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:57:09 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-1749 You would think Christians would have some biblical discernment like you and sense that the book is not right. But, apparently they do not. Like programed computer viruses they just pass on the infection to everyone on their contact list. These days Christians really need to pass all "Christian" books through a virus checker. You would think Christians would have some biblical discernment like you and sense that the book is not right. But, apparently they do not. Like programed computer viruses they just pass on the infection to everyone on their contact list. These days Christians really need to pass all “Christian” books through a virus checker.

]]> By: Cindy http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-1748 Cindy Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:41:35 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-1748 someone gave me this book for Christmas,telling me it was the best book they ever read,blah,blah---i started to read this -----what a load of junk! At first i thought it was me since it was compared to "Pilgrims Progress"--but the more i read the more confusion i felt and i wasn't at peace about what i was taking in --so i started checking it out withsome people i consider to be reputable--so glad to know i wasn't losing the ability to understand what i was reading---it just didn't feel right someone gave me this book for Christmas,telling me it was the best book they ever read,blah,blah—i started to read this —–what a load of junk! At first i thought it was me since it was compared to “Pilgrims Progress”–but the more i read the more confusion i felt and i wasn’t at peace about what i was taking in –so i started checking it out withsome people i consider to be reputable–so glad to know i wasn’t losing the ability to understand what i was reading—it just didn’t feel right

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-1232 Don Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:25:54 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-1232 Whitney, Why do you quote the lies in the Shack and heretical rethinking conferences to claim that the teaching in the Shack is valid? True Christianity can not change it is founded on unchangeable truths. The foundations have been laid and they are given in the New Testament. You do not tell people the truth about Jesus by compromising the gospel so that it is a different gospel than the one given through which all mankind MUST be saved. The Shack and these rethinking conferences of the Emergent Church are distorting the gospel. Paul himself said if anyone gives another gospel than the one he presented let them be damned. He said it twice in a row to convey the importance of keeping the gospel pure. He said that because he was given the gospel of salvation by direct Revelation from God. I will say it again. If anyone gives you any other gospel than the one given in the New Testament scriptures, let them be damned. They certainly will be. There is a difference between presenting the gospel in a way to reach diverse societies and in making it a false gospel with a different Jesus and a way to God that saves no one. I do not wish anyone to read the Shack especally your dad because it will not lead him to Christ is will move him to believe in false religion and false security. This book is doing more harm to true Christianity than any book I can think of because it is subtlety deceptive, but that is how Satan works. Just put a little poison in with some truth and watch the gullible humans who never accepted the truth suck it up. Your dad and many others that read that book will now accept lies that make Christianity compatible with New Age and Eastern teachings. It is not. Christianity is 180 degrees opposed to all other religion. Your Dad will now become completely unreachable and hostile toward true Christianity. I know because those who read the book email me and they are hostile to the foundational truths of Christianity. They now think they are enlightened because they read the Shack. Now their eyes are opened toward pluralist Universalism where God will save everyone because He is so in love with all us wonderful human beings. They are also hostile toward historical Christianity because like in the book they confuse psuedo Christianity with true Christianity and blame Christians for the sins of institutional Christian play actors. God is only willing to take you in His arms if you live in His Son through a spiritual rebirth otherwise you are still dead in your stinking sins to Him. God is interested in saving those He called to be saved. He could care less about building relationships with walking dead people. Making God to be like a human is idolatry and Blasphemy. Here is a short but very good book review of the Shack. Any true Christian should be able to see the poison in the book and should be telling everyone they really care about to stay away from it. It is extremely deadly to those who are Christian in name only and those who already wish to reject the narrow way through the blood of Jesus. Those who are enlightened by the darkness in this book will be led toward pluralist Universalism not Christ. They will then attend the Church of Oprah and recite "The Secret" as there gospel. You have been told. http://www.svchapel.org/Resources/BookReviews/book_reviews.asp?ID=387 Whitney,
Why do you quote the lies in the Shack and heretical rethinking conferences to claim that the teaching in the Shack is valid? True Christianity can not change it is founded on unchangeable truths. The foundations have been laid and they are given in the New Testament.

You do not tell people the truth about Jesus by compromising the gospel so that it is a different gospel than the one given through which all mankind MUST be saved. The Shack and these rethinking conferences of the Emergent Church are distorting the gospel. Paul himself said if anyone gives another gospel than the one he presented let them be damned. He said it twice in a row to convey the importance of keeping the gospel pure. He said that because he was given the gospel of salvation by direct Revelation from God. I will say it again. If anyone gives you any other gospel than the one given in the New Testament scriptures, let them be damned. They certainly will be.

There is a difference between presenting the gospel in a way to reach diverse societies and in making it a false gospel with a different Jesus and a way to God that saves no one.

I do not wish anyone to read the Shack especally your dad because it will not lead him to Christ is will move him to believe in false religion and false security. This book is doing more harm to true Christianity than any book I can think of because it is subtlety deceptive, but that is how Satan works. Just put a little poison in with some truth and watch the gullible humans who never accepted the truth suck it up.

Your dad and many others that read that book will now accept lies that make Christianity compatible with New Age and Eastern teachings. It is not. Christianity is 180 degrees opposed to all other religion. Your Dad will now become completely unreachable and hostile toward true Christianity. I know because those who read the book email me and they are hostile to the foundational truths of Christianity. They now think they are enlightened because they read the Shack. Now their eyes are opened toward pluralist Universalism where God will save everyone because He is so in love with all us wonderful human beings. They are also hostile toward historical Christianity because like in the book they confuse psuedo Christianity with true Christianity and blame Christians for the sins of institutional Christian play actors.

God is only willing to take you in His arms if you live in His Son through a spiritual rebirth otherwise you are still dead in your stinking sins to Him. God is interested in saving those He called to be saved. He could care less about building relationships with walking dead people. Making God to be like a human is idolatry and Blasphemy.

Here is a short but very good book review of the Shack. Any true Christian should be able to see the poison in the book and should be telling everyone they really care about to stay away from it. It is extremely deadly to those who are Christian in name only and those who already wish to reject the narrow way through the blood of Jesus. Those who are enlightened by the darkness in this book will be led toward pluralist Universalism not Christ. They will then attend the Church of Oprah and recite “The Secret” as there gospel. You have been told.

http://www.svchapel.org/Resources/BookReviews/book_reviews.asp?ID=387

]]> By: Whitney http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-1231 Whitney Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:33:14 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-1231 Wow.. so did you actually read the book? Because your references seem pretty out of context. The first line you quoted regarding "I have no desire to make them Christian" really bothered me at first too. But then I reread the page and realized that the author is speaking in terms of Corporate Christianity that has been overrun by rules and judgment. Regarding the quote "For nearly two thousand years, most professing Christians have seen the Bible as the foundation for the Christian faith. The overall view at the Rethink Conference, however, is that Christianity, as we have known it, has run its course and must be replaced." - If Christianity is about a relationship with the Creator of our constantly-changing world, does it not make sense that we diverse the way we communicate and reach people in order to show God's relevance to their lives? The church, the actual building and business that it has become, was not created by God. The books of Acts shows The Church, the body and bride of Christ, as a living, breathing, growing group of people who lived together in love and faith, helping those who needed it and adding to their numbers in incredible ways. That part doesn't need changing. But the way we as a church reach people? You can't be afraid of change. If Christianity never evolved in our changing world, we'd still be stuck in the Crusades! Not to mention we'd all be Catholic. Don't put God in a box! Reforming the way we reach people doesn't mean we are changing the truth of the Bible or the character of God and the roles of Jesus and the Holy spirit. God can do incredible things on top of the things he has already done and is already doing. My dad, someone who has really struggled with the concept of God since I was born, is actually willing to read the Shack. Why? Because it does something that churches and many religious scholars have a hard time doing. It shows God in an incredibly real and relevant way. The book is about something more than what's on the surface. We know God isn't truly the characters of Papa, Sarayu, and the exact version of Jesus this book describes. But we are given a glimpse into the very nature of God's unconditional love, mercy, comfort, and his willingness to meet us right where we are, in the middle of the mess we've made, and to take us into His arms and rescue us. The God I serve is WAY more interested in building relationships with His children than watching His servants fight over legalities. Wow.. so did you actually read the book? Because your references seem pretty out of context. The first line you quoted regarding “I have no desire to make them Christian” really bothered me at first too. But then I reread the page and realized that the author is speaking in terms of Corporate Christianity that has been overrun by rules and judgment.

Regarding the quote “For nearly two thousand years, most professing Christians have seen the Bible as the foundation for the Christian faith. The overall view at the Rethink Conference, however, is that Christianity, as we have known it, has run its course and must be replaced.” – If Christianity is about a relationship with the Creator of our constantly-changing world, does it not make sense that we diverse the way we communicate and reach people in order to show God’s relevance to their lives? The church, the actual building and business that it has become, was not created by God. The books of Acts shows The Church, the body and bride of Christ, as a living, breathing, growing group of people who lived together in love and faith, helping those who needed it and adding to their numbers in incredible ways. That part doesn’t need changing. But the way we as a church reach people? You can’t be afraid of change. If Christianity never evolved in our changing world, we’d still be stuck in the Crusades! Not to mention we’d all be Catholic. Don’t put God in a box! Reforming the way we reach people doesn’t mean we are changing the truth of the Bible or the character of God and the roles of Jesus and the Holy spirit. God can do incredible things on top of the things he has already done and is already doing. My dad, someone who has really struggled with the concept of God since I was born, is actually willing to read the Shack. Why? Because it does something that churches and many religious scholars have a hard time doing. It shows God in an incredibly real and relevant way. The book is about something more than what’s on the surface. We know God isn’t truly the characters of Papa, Sarayu, and the exact version of Jesus this book describes. But we are given a glimpse into the very nature of God’s unconditional love, mercy, comfort, and his willingness to meet us right where we are, in the middle of the mess we’ve made, and to take us into His arms and rescue us. The God I serve is WAY more interested in building relationships with His children than watching His servants fight over legalities.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-420 Don Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:08:18 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-420 Emergent bullshack fit for the outhouse. Emergent bullshack fit for the outhouse.

]]> By: Roshan http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-419 Roshan Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:34:36 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/the-shack-is-the-message-outhouse.html#comment-419 I've had it!! Bullshack is what I call this! I mean, seriously, what does this book have to offer to anyone? "My Papa"! It's pathetic! What foolishness for mankind to think God resides within them, indeed that they "are" God. Look around, people, how can you be so naive? Man is sinful and incapable of living a pure life. Were it not for the fact that we have a loving and merciful Father in heaven who gave His only begotten Son to die for the sins of the world, we would all be condemned to hell. God wasn't interested in the sacrifices the Israelites brought them! He wanted them to obey His commands out of love and fear for the God that had lead them out of Egypt to the holy land and that's what He's asking from us as well. God doesn't owe us anything! Still He has mercy on all those who earnestly seek Him and follow His ways. So what's so wrong with this message of repentance?? In return you are forgiven and granted eternal life; it's a win-win situation! These imposters are just perverting everything for their own worldly gain. I don't belief in religion that says you can reach heaven, moksha, nirvana or whatever all by your own efforts. Man simply is not capable. Moreover, there is but one almighty and allknowing God. And the only way for us to "reconcile" is by repenting of our sins and accepting the Son of God as our Savior. All this mystical mumbo jumbo nonsense is leading nobody to repent and to be born again. On the contrary, in their delusion they're opening themselves up to demonic influence, but NOT the Holy Spirit you receive upon acceptance of Christ! But oops, I forgot, no such thing as demons and devils eh? Oh and sure, there's no such thing as evil and sin either! I guess that explains why people are so revengeful, uncontrolled, deceitful, unloving, self-centered and dishonest! And I would have to include myself among these sinful people, by the way. That is why I became a Christian in the first place, because I am a SINNER. I'm unworthy to be called a child of God yet I am deemed worthy of grace by Christ. And who is the child of God? The one who admits his error and humbles himself before God, is it not? In Biblical terms I'd say woe unto them for leading others astray with their false universalist teaching! Your Papa surely is not the God of Israel! I’ve had it!! Bullshack is what I call this! I mean, seriously, what does this book have to offer to anyone? “My Papa”! It’s pathetic! What foolishness for mankind to think God resides within them, indeed that they “are” God. Look around, people, how can you be so naive? Man is sinful and incapable of living a pure life. Were it not for the fact that we have a loving and merciful Father in heaven who gave His only begotten Son to die for the sins of the world, we would all be condemned to hell. God wasn’t interested in the sacrifices the Israelites brought them! He wanted them to obey His commands out of love and fear for the God that had lead them out of Egypt to the holy land and that’s what He’s asking from us as well. God doesn’t owe us anything! Still He has mercy on all those who earnestly seek Him and follow His ways. So what’s so wrong with this message of repentance?? In return you are forgiven and granted eternal life; it’s a win-win situation! These imposters are just perverting everything for their own worldly gain. I don’t belief in religion that says you can reach heaven, moksha, nirvana or whatever all by your own efforts. Man simply is not capable. Moreover, there is but one almighty and allknowing God. And the only way for us to “reconcile” is by repenting of our sins and accepting the Son of God as our Savior. All this mystical mumbo jumbo nonsense is leading nobody to repent and to be born again. On the contrary, in their delusion they’re opening themselves up to demonic influence, but NOT the Holy Spirit you receive upon acceptance of Christ! But oops, I forgot, no such thing as demons and devils eh? Oh and sure, there’s no such thing as evil and sin either! I guess that explains why people are so revengeful, uncontrolled, deceitful, unloving, self-centered and dishonest! And I would have to include myself among these sinful people, by the way. That is why I became a Christian in the first place, because I am a SINNER. I’m unworthy to be called a child of God yet I am deemed worthy of grace by Christ. And who is the child of God? The one who admits his error and humbles himself before God, is it not?

In Biblical terms I’d say woe unto them for leading others astray with their false universalist teaching! Your Papa surely is not the God of Israel!

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