Oprah promotes Eckhart Tolle and doctrines of demons
Oprah believes there are many more paths to God other than Christianity. Eckhart Tolle who is promoted by Oprah thinks the current awaking will bring us into the universal consciousness, “A New Earth” where your collective identity will be “I Am” (the name of God).
Oprah is being watched by Christians like she has truth and Eckhart Tolle’s book “A New Earth” is big among “Christians”. Eckhart Tolle says unless you have this shift in consciousness and stop resisting this collective consciousness you will not enter the New Earth which is a physical manifestation of the New Heaven (that leaves out all Bible believing Christians).
Need I say anything more. I do not know how we can make it any more clear to Christians that what is being taught and promoted on Oprah is doctrines of demons. Many “Christians” are taking part in the very deceptions that Paul warned us would come in the last days that would lead people into the end time Apostasy. Can it be any clearer that this universal God conscious religion of Eckhart Tolle and Oprah is from Satan? My question to those who call themselves Christians and still watch Oprah, is why? Do you think you will get light from her darkness?
Where do you think all this rethinking in the emerging church movement is originating from? I have to say to those who watch and repeat the deceptions seen on Oprah, if you can be that biblically illiterate and that easily led astray by doctrines of demons to follow another gospel, what makes you think you are a Christian? Or is “Christianity” just a convenient name for your demonic spirituality like Oprah?
Berit Kjos — Oprah and Tolle Fuel New Age Revival
“This book’s main purpose is … to bring about a shift in consciousness…. Not everyone is ready yet, but many are, and with each person who awakens, the momentum in the collective consciousness grows.”[1,p.6-7] Eckhart Tolle”Oprah is helping propel the spiritual enlightenment book [New Earth] to dizzying heights, thanks to an unprecedented online promotion that includes a 10-week interactive Webcast discussion…”[2]
“I am a Christian who believes that there are certainly many more paths to God other than Christianity.”[2] Oprah Winfrey
“Since the spiritual climate has changed, “enlightened” prophets expect the current awakening to reach a critical mass that will usher all of humanity (except uncompromising resisters) into the New Earth: a physical manifestation of the New Heaven (which has nothing in common with the Biblical heaven). Detached from “form,” the people will know their identity as “I AM,” or universal” Consciousness.”
Date posted: Monday, March 31st, 2008 3:58 pm | Under category: Apostasy, Emerging/Emergent Church, Mystery Babylon, New Age/New Spirituality, Post Modern, aberrant/heretical teaching, discernment
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i am so glad that there are Christians out there exposing this for what it is. it is truly scary and satanic.
Jesus Christ is the only one who can say, “I AM” and then put a period after it.
While watching Oprah’s show today regarding The New Earth, I was taken aback with her comment, “Jesus had a christ consciousness.” I say, No he did not! Jesus IS Christ!
Saying,”Jesus had a christ consciousness” would be like Elkhart informing Oprah that she was not Oprah per se but one who was having an “Oprah consciousness,” and then proceed to encourage the whole world to practice “Oprah consciousness,” too.
God is a jealous God; He shares his glory with no one.
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Thanks Kenya, great write up on your http://anointedvessel.wordpress.com/ Blog on Oprah.
God be with you.
Thanks Don
God bless!
And what makes this even more dangerous — than say, Tom Cruise promoting Scientology — is that just about everyone likes Oprah. Oprah doesn’t seem threatening to most people. And who doesn’t believe in spirituality…whatever that is…?
This is bad, folks. And it’s not like anyone can sue — she’s not ‘encouraging’ the nation to stop eating beef…just to start corrupting their Christian faith.
- LaVrai, http://www.lavrai.com/blogs
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
I’m starting to wonder if Oprah is the Anti-Christ… Well, it will be someone like her.. after all, the Anti-Christ would not come in the form of some poor guy on the street
Those who are going to be deceived into following these teachings have no idea what they are getting into. It is obvious that these are the doctrines of the devil and l thank you for highlighting this issue here. The oddest thing is to see Christians being taken for a ride by this devil’s messages. l wonder how truly Christian they are or were in the first place. My conclusion is that whoever is going to be fooled here did not have enough faith in the first place.
l am glad that many are seeing through Oprah now, it is time we stopped looking up to her as our mentor, l know she has done many good things and l thank her for that. But she is not going to drag me into some form of devil worship which is actually not new.
Many occult religions teach the belief on self as deity. It also incorporates theism.
We have been warned that the last days this kind of teachings will come, yet here we are Christians ignoring these warnings.
Thank you again Don for this timely message
Thank you Anne for your excellent comments.
Oprah tries very hard to teach people how they can gain the whole world but those who take the path she is promoting will lose their own soul.
There is a very real threat to Christianity today that is evident in attempts to redefine Christ and what He calls us to. I would even go so far as to say this threat is more insidious than those who oppose Christ through blind hate and violence.
Oprah and others are succumbing to the elevation of the ego above all else, even God! Their need for God extends only to that which they find palatable. God makes no demands on them - He is just flowing around them and in them as some impotent, unidentifiable force. Heaven forbid that they submit to the real God!
Christ calls his followers to serve, and through serving, you will find truth and the path to God. Oprah is spewing nothing more than a life doctrine based on moral ambivalence and a rejection of everything that doesn’t serve to elevate the individual!
The single greatest sin, unforgivable in fact, is to be aware of Christ and yet to reject Him. Bad news for those who seek meaning and purpose in only themselves and what this world has to offer, and not in what Christ promises to those who follow Him. Then again, according to Oprah, there is no such thing as sin… sad when you really think about it.
As Christians, we should pray hard for those who are swayed by this type of thinking, that God will work neverending to bring these lost souls home.
I think you all need to chill out and embrace the teachings of Tolle.
P.S. The world isn’t going to end anytime soon. People have been waiting on Christ to come back for 2000 years and it just isn’t going to happen.
Nobody said the world was going to end anytime soon. The Bible speaks about the planet being being here for quite some time. However, your world will certainly end soon.
Peter said that in the last days just before the return of Christ people would say almost exactly what you just said (2Pet3:4). You are just one more proof that we have arrived to the last days of this evil age as is the doctrines of Devils taught by Tolle (1Tim 4:1). Nonetheless, we do not even need more proof from you and Tolle, but thanks anyway. Other world and religious trends seen in the light of Bible prophecy are clear enough to any astute believer.
I want to make one other thing perfectly clear to people like you. No true Christian will ever embrace the satanic doctrines taught by Tolle,
Well Don, that’s just your opinion and we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I think Tolle has come just in time to help steer the world from disaster.
It is not just my opinion it is the opinion of Christianity. You disagree because you reject the absolutes truths of the Bible and embrace New Age pantheistic universalism. You certainly have the right to believe what you want but do not say you were not warned when you reap the eternal consequences of rejecting the truth that Jesus is the only path to eternal life.
Tolle has come just in time indeed. Just in time to steer those who reject the truth to the deceptions of the Antichrist.
Ok then, sorry.
It’s just the opinion of Christianity.
Its really just the truth of Christianity. There is only one truth and that is Jesus. He died for our sins and rose from the dead so we would believe the truth about Him. However, you will believe what you want.
This was frightening to read:
“Matt said » Well Don, that’s just your opinion and we’ll have to agree to disagree. I think Tolle has come just in time to help steer the world from disaster.”
…And I know I’m going to witness a whole lot more frightening things from folks who believe in a lie.
‘Steer the world from disaster?’ My friend, if we are all gods…then to whom do we answer? Did we create ourselves then? If you didn’t create it, friend, you are not the CREATOR. Please humble yourself and flee from doctrine that seeks to elevate you. Remember Satan? He wanted to elevate himself to the GOD’s throne (position and power), but how could he master the ONE who created him? Recognize the similarity in Satan’s downfall and this new age doctrine?
Anyway, can I share this: http://lavrai.com/blogs/2008/04/23/christians-hitting-back-at-oprah/
Hey LaVrai,
I’m an atheist so I don’t hold the Bible in authority. I don’t see any reason why anyone should humble themselves. In fact I’m encouraging people in my college to create their own religions and belief systems through the website linked to my name above.
Eckhart mightn’t have all of the answers but for me he comes a lot closer than the Bible ever will.
Just my view of things.
Matt
A atheist cannot be reasoned with about the truth of God because they would have to be God to know for sure that there is no God. Since we both know you are not God you are just deceiving yourself. There are no real atheist’s only fools (according to the God you do not believe in)
It also should not surprise Christians that you would post here telling them “The world isn’t going to end anytime soon. People have been waiting on Christ to come back for 2000 years and it just isn’t going to happen”. You say that because like knowing their is no God you just know everything. LOL
It also then should not surprise any Christian that you need to deceive others to be as deceived as yourself and that you would believe and promote a deceiver like Tolle .
Shouldn’t we be giving the truth in love?
1 Corinthians 10:32
Ephesians 4:31, 32
How do you plan on bringing Matt to Christ if all you want to do is run him down Don? I guess if you hit him with enough LOL’s and tell him that he knows everything, he will eventually end up at your church. Maybe instead of simply laughing at him you could show him love. Sometimes I think the message of Jesus was lost on those who claim to be His followers.
I did give him the truth in love? I guess you just missed it. I actually gave him the only way to salvation in this post. Only the Holy Spirit leads atheists or anyone else to Christ. We only witnesses to the world the truths that we know. I have done that.
You also missed the whole point of why I said what I said to him. Atheists say there is no God so obviously they know everything. It is an argument of logic. Did you expect me to use Bible references when he already said they carry no authority with him?
By the way, I can show you half a dozen versus in the Bible where God laughs at those who mock Him or His people. So because I was Laughing out Loud (LOL) at his foolish logic does that make me wrong?
This Blog is about Oprah and Tolle’s doctrines of demons. He came on it to tell the mostly Christians that read this Blog to “chill out” and then he could not help himself to also mock those who believe in the second coming of Jesus Christ . Knowing where his spirit is from I could and maybe should have just removed his post. Since I like to let people have there say on my Christian forum I also am responsible to refute any deceptions posted on it with truth lest anyone be led astray.
I could argue with you about how one goes about presenting the gospel of salvation to unbelievers. I do not think it is done by appeasement but by telling the truth in such a way that they must consider it. However, that is not what this specific Blog is about.
It is about Oprah and Tolle’s deceptive messages that are leading millions astray. You might concern yourself more with that fact rather than telling me how to dispute with an atheist who came here to help spread this deception and to mock Christian believers.
What are you doing about this deception?
What will the two witnesses do when they arrive?
You’re right, that isn’t what this blog is about, and furthermore, I recognize that it’s your blog, so you’ll do whatever you want in terms of removing comments or leaving them. You did offer him the truth of the bible, was it in love? Only you and God know what’s in your heart, but it seemed like you were more interested in winning an argument and making yourself look good.
I am sure you can provide many examples of God laughing at those who mocked Him or His people. You, however, are not God, as you pointed out to Matt.
Yes you could argue with me about how to present the gospel to unbelievers, but what would that accomplish? I’m not suggesting that you appease Matt or anybody else. And I believe you are correct when you say only the Holy Spirit leads the unbeliever to Christ, but how you do it and how you say it matter. Do you want to allow the Holy Spirit to work through you, or don’t you?
I agree that Oprah’s and Tolle’s messages are deceptive, and I think you are doing a fine job presenting the error of these beliefs.
What I am telling you is nothing more than you will find in your own bible. Jesus did not LOL at the thieves who mocked him at his own crucifixation. It never hurts to remember that Jesus loved us even when we were yet sinners, even when we were as lost as Matt.
You are entitled to your opinion but I do not think it is your call to judge whether or not I am allowing the Holy Spirit to work through me. As I said, this Blog post was never meant to provide the message of salvation to all that reply or to pander to those who promote Tolle.
The thieves on the cross you brought up did not promote doctrine of demons. Those who promote doctrines of devils fall in the same class as the Scribes and Pharisees that Jesus railed against.
Jesus also told us not to cast our pearls before swine. As far as I know nothing qualifies more than those that deny that God exists and also trample the word of God in front of others.
Scripture tells us that Barnabas disputed with the Greeks and because of this they wanted to slay Him and Paul disputed with the Jews openly and for this they wanted to kill Paul. So who do you think they were disputing? Believers or the deceptive leaders trying to keep people in demonic bondage? Perhaps you ought to read what Paul said about such people in 2nd Tim chap 3 and what Peter said about such people in 2nd Peter chap 3. It makes anything I said here rather mild.
The LOL is commonly used on the Internet for emphasis. In this case it was used to emphasize that he could not possibly know these things because he is not God. You are making a mountain out of molehill. By the way, I very rarely use it. Yeah, you might say I was trying to win an argument it would be pretty silly to post here, try to defend truth, and try to lose the arguments.
I think the scriptures tells us to contend for the faith which is what I am doing here. This is not as passive as you imply. But like I said, you have your opinion and I have mine.
“Mt 10;34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household”.”
We could go on and on, but meanwhile you are now distracting from what this post is about. It is about the demonic deceptions of Oprah and Tolle. If you really want to expose slivers in my eyes I am sure you can find some, but the proper place to tell me about them would be in my email box not on a public forum where it distracts from the message. So now we have diverted from talking about Oprah and Tolle to a likely troll pushing Tolle and to you telling me how I should handle him. Is it any wonder that most Bloggers now just delete comments that distract.
i was actually reading this book and thought i could take the basic idea of calming the ego AND keep my christian beliefs as well. in the first chapter he compares religions, after reading to chapter 3 i see this is impossible. i should have stopped reading in the first chapter.
this book is definitely a deception tool!
I am amazed at all these Christians.. so confused.
Tolle is the second coming of Christ… him and all those other people waking into Christ consciousness.
Wasn’t Jesus himself blamed of blasphemy? Your institutionalized religion will be incorporating teachings like his in the next bible a couple thousand years from now, if they find a way of using it to frighten and control people.
Jesus was used… and converted into a tool for mass control, look at history people! In the name of you ‘God’ millions have perished.
Why does a caged bird not fly if after many years the door is left open? Fear… fear of freedom.
Crhistians are afraid of questioning themselves… deeply terrified.
Ok.. comment will probably be removed anyways.. no point for writing.
So are you expressing a Tolle point of view or did you come up with this “wisdom” all by yourself?
The only Christ consciousness comes from a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You don’t walk into Christ consciousness, you learn about Christ through a personal walk with Him. You people want to make Christ Consciousness something that Jesus was just a part of — No, Jesus is Christ.
Jesus defined how He was coming back. He said it would be coming In power and glory physically with all his Angels. So was Jesus a liar?
We are not talking about institutionalized religions. True Christianity is a personal relationship with the Creator and those followers did not kill anyone unless they were forced to fight in the army by their State governments or in self defense.
Jesus was the only Creator the only Christ so Tolle does not even come close to qualifying..
Christians have the only truth, so why would a believer question what they know is true? Should we do that only to be be deceived by religion or pagan spiritualism? Adam and Eve tried that and that is why the world is in the mess it is in today.
Christians are not in a cage we do not leave the presence of God become there is nothing outside that we need.
This ‘wisdom’ is not a Tolle point of view.. it is what I see, and I recognize in Tolle what I have seen as truth, or better, what is not truth. I also see that in Jesus.. and then all the sad misinterpretations. Most so called Christians apparently are not ready to see the majesty of what he was… most of you would have been there cheering while he was being crucified, mocking him.. afraid of what he represented, as someone who challenged old belief systems including the scriptures.
Again, he was used… and years later turned into an icon of worship, power and mass mind control.
But you will not see that, you will not see you are in a cage, afraid… convincing yourself you are in presence of ‘God’.
“Christians have the only truth, so why would a believer question what they know is true? Should we do that only to be be deceived by religion or pagan spiritualism? Adam and Eve tried that and that is why the world is in the mess it is in today.”
The world is in a mess because of people who believe their ‘truth’ is the one and only truth…
Go to Israel, go to Lebanon, talk to people… you will start to understand where conflicts arise, arrogance, so much arrogance, who are you to claim you have the truth… and you use His name, shame on you!
Why did Jesus only have 12 disciples?
He was not seen for what he was… small and conditioned religious minds could not possibly see the simple truth of what he was… he was a threat to their imprisoned minds, their heard headed beliefs.
Yet so simple a man.
How do you know Tolle is not one of Jesus’ angels preparing the world for his return… clearing your old, archaic, conditioned minds so that next time he can be seen? And not have to undergo the whole crucifixion thing again.
You know the lord works in mysterious ways…
You claim to know God’s ways… proves such arrogance, and such shallow beliefs, threatened by an inoffensive man talking . And he is called the anti-Christ or a demon!? I am shocked at how many of you react like this, how afraid you are, threatened, protecting your theoretical beliefs.
You do not even know what a Christian is, so how would you know what Christians would be doing at the cross?
Jesus was turned into an object of worship because He is God, He is the only object of worship. The eye witnesses of what Jesus said and did is in the New Testament were written just after Jesus death. Besides that all of the Old Testament also speaks about Jesus. The Bible is an integrated message. Jesus fulfilled the scriptures because He was the Christ not because He was part of some Christ conscientiousness.
Jesus said he was God either that makes him God, a lunatic or a liar. So don’t tell me how great He was if you do not believe what He said about Himself. The Jews did not believe Him and they crucified Him for claiming to be equal to God.
There is only one truth. Jesus said, ” I am the truth, the way and the life and no man comes to the Father except through me”. So was He a magestic liar? If not, you had better believe HIm because your eternal soul depends on it.. Now, if you and Tolle are going to demote Him by saying the truth of God that He came to show us is a lie then what is your fate? Be very careful going there.
Obviously then if Jesus is the truth and the religion founded on Him retains that truth every other religion is a lie out of the pit of hell. There lies the root of all spiritual warfare. Who do you say Jesus is? There is one truth, one God and one way to salvation. God would have it no other way. In fact, He came and died for our sins to prove to us this truth. All He asks of you is to believe that a loving righteous God did this for us. Those who believe in Him He promises eternal life. What other truth from God would even make sense?
Allah who send people to blow up people and then gives them 100 virgins for doing so? Is that truth?
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Eastern Polytheistic and paganism where man gets to do it over and over again? Is that truth?
No my friend there is only one truth and it is not coming from the lies of Tolle.
Why did Jesus only have 12 disciples?
Jesus had many more disciples than twelve He choose twelve to be His Apostles that would rule over the twelve tribes of Israel. They certainly will.
How do I know Tolle is not a angel? What he says about Jesus conflicts with what Jesus and his Apostles said about Him and it also conflicts with the witness of the Holy Spirit that lives in believers. What you said also conflicts with Bible prophecy. Two witnesses will come to prepare the way for the second coming. They will be Jews with supernatural powers and they will give their witness in Jerusalem. Tolle does not qualify..The scriptures say, “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed (fa 1:8) Tolle preaches a different gospel then the one the scripture teaches so he is accursed lest he repents and turn toward Jesus.
The scriptures also say in 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. So take heed from where Tolle’s information is coming from..
The scriptures also says that Jesus died once for all. He cannot die again. Perhaps you need to read the Bible for yourself sometime instead of just reading Tolle and commenting on what you never really learned.
Do you really expect the Antichrist to come with horns on? He will say everything that the world wants to hear. According to scriptures the world will think that he is God. So you not knowing the scriptures, why won’t you not also be deceived by him? The Bible says you will. Take heed.
Hm… I have read the Bible, though my interpretations are not as yours, maybe I did not have someone preaching the meaning to me when I was young and gullible.
I thought the new testament was written much after the crucifixion?!
Like 50 to 150 years…
Ever played the telephone game? You get kids to repeat a message to each other in a line and the message comes out all distorted with their personal opinions..
I leave with a quote and good luck to you:
“As I lay with my head in your lap camerado,
The confession I made I resume, what I said to you and the open air I
resume,
I know I am restless and make others so,
I know my words are weapons full of danger, full of death,
For I confront peace, security, and all the settled laws, to unsettle
them,
I am more resolute because all have denied me than I could ever have
been had all accepted me,
I heed not and have never heeded either experience, cautions,
majorities, nor ridicule,
And the threat of what is call’d hell is little or nothing to me;
And the lure of what is call’d heaven is little or nothing to me;
Dear camerado! I confess I have urged you onward with me, and still
urge you, without the least idea what is our destination,
Or whether we shall be victorious, or utterly quell’d and defeated”
I did not have anyone teaching the meanings to me when I was young and gullible but since then I have become older and more sceptically I have read it scores of times. It not just the reading of it that gives understanding. Satan knew the scriptures. Understanding comes from God. It is understanding what you read in the scriptures and being able to correlating it with everything else you learned from the scriptures. Great understanding only comes to those who are willing to put in a significant learning effort.
Most of the books were written in life time of those who observed the events. Had they been wrong the books would not have become in common usage in the early churches and the manuscripts would be lost or rare. The Books of the Bible were written long before the Catholic Church accepted them into a Canon. The last book Revelation was probably written about 95 AD. that was written by John who the youngest of the Apostles.
there are hundreds of times more manuscripts on the scriptures than on an other ancient document in history.and they come from many different independent sources. What we have is very reliable it would stand up as evidence in any court of law..
I will leave with a quote to you as well I think most of it will be fulfilled within this generation. I also wish you will find the true path to eternal life.
Mr 13:r Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
5 ¶ And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 ¶ But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24 ¶ But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28 ¶ Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Don, have you ever felt so tremendously invaded by love that you fall on your knees, unable to walk, touched so deeply for being alive. A tremendous rush of fire and in that instant everything you perceive is love, everything around you is the same but completely new, a noodle, air, sunlight. After terrible times of pain everything is transformed in an instant, the majesty of His creation leaves you literally breathless, shaken to the core of your being by a presence that is felt in everything, including you.
How would you call this? If I were Christian I would relate it to some for of Grace or an encounter with Jesus..
If I don’t call it in that way and prefer to call it something else, or make up my name for it, should I fear that the Devil is tempting me? Should I fear trial for not being baptized and adopting a Christian religious belief, the one and only ‘real’ God?
Why is it important to use a specific name for this? If I call this Allah is it then Satan in disguise…. why not just ‘Mystery’, loving universal presence, etc…
Why should I learn to be afraid of the wrath of God if in my experience of Him, being joyful and grateful of this moment is all that is asked? As Tolle describes, whom I feel bathed in a similar presence… because he choses not to call it Christ, or the Cristian God (likely in order to not create a mental obstacle due to so many indoctrinated religious people).
Tolle by the way is against positive thinking, the secret, working on self esteem and all sorts of things for which you categorize him as New Age, or pagan or something that you understand as demonic.
This is where the relationship of so many Christians with their Religion makes no sense to me…
I know some Christians, Evangelist… very strong beliefs, and they tell me about the sad things that happen in their churches, how they are taught to hate, how they are brought up under physical punishment, how they are taught to feel sinful, miserable and worthless, afraid of being themselves, manipulated with fears (everything in between the ‘loving’ words of course).
One of them, now a good friend of mine, managed to escape what seems a brainwashing sect, I only found out about her religious beliefs very recently so I had in no moment any intention of changing this for her, only asking her to come to the present moment and leave thoughts and dogma aside.. She has explored calming the mind and questioning dogma with my suggestion (in ways not dissimilar to what Tolle teaches).
Something started happening, a process began has has me amazed, she was first shocked by the experience of God being within her as also Jesus. She has entered a process that in her words has taken her to live more fully and joyfully in these couple of years than in all her life in the church and with the oppressive family doctrine.
She says that now she understands the scriptures in a new light, without the forged misinterpretations, even the gospel of Thomas, previously seen as heretic. She is spontaneously feeling bathed in presence and love for all things which at moments becomes too overwhelming.
She is embracing writings of Buddha and other diverse teachers. Now it is me who listens to her for truly wise words.
Sadly for her, she cannot return to her Church or help her family in their struggle, as for them she has committed heresy and will burn in hell !!!????
How does ones mind do that??
When she shared her story of the Church with me I was bewildered, not understanding what the issue was, she was becoming a mature, loving and healthy woman… why would they be against that. She said it is impossible for me to understand how mad these people are…. I still cannot believe this, I cannot accept it.
Please explain, where is the mistake? Where has she sinned? What about me? How would you interpret what I have shared? I obviously am misleading people and myself to hell in your point of view.
But I read a different story in the Bible and in Jesus… so much open for free interpretation, and if taken literally, so much contradiction.
Nicholas,
Jesus leaves absolutely nothing to interpretation. He declares Himself the one and only true path to the Father. Either Jesus is right, or He is a liar and a deceiver. You cannot cherry-pick what you like from the gospel and discard the rest. If you do so, you are not trying at all to understand Christ, but instead are trying to reinvent Christ according to your own likes and dislikes.
God wants much more of you than to simply ‘bathe in His presence and His love’. Apathy and not fulfilling God’s purpose for you is definitely a sin and quite hurtful to God, although He will always wait patiently and lovingly for you to conform to His will.
Jesus calls all of us to a higher standard. You can choose to follow it or not, but it is foolish to simply declare that the higher standard simply does not exist.
Regarding sin, EVERYONE sins and falls short of the glory of God. There is no way to make up to God how we fail Him - we can only hope that someone can intercede on our behalf and take the penalty from us. And that is exactly what Christ did, becoming the savior to all, and through Him and his death and resurrection, gaining the path to God and His mercy and love, and true forgiveness. Buddha and other ‘teachers’ can only offer you platitudes and suggestions for living, all coming from someone as flawed as yourself. Why not follow someone who was complete perfection in man, and indeed was and is God in the flesh come to show us the way?
That is for you and your ‘friends’ to decide. Keep in mind something though. Whenever you either experience or see feelings of sinfulness, worthlessness, anger, hate, etc., - these feelings do not originate from God. They originate from Satan, and are intended to deceive you and damage your relationship with God. Nobody, and I stress NOBODY, can walk with God, with Christ in their heart, and be hateful, or angry, or feel worthless, or be unable to forgive, or unable to love their neighbor. All these things, and so much more, await those who accept Christ into their hearts. It really is that simple, and it really is that difficult for some who would rather embrace their own ego and the things that this world has to offer.
Nicolas,
To answer your question yes I have had experiences to some degree but after I was a Christian.
Your mistake is trusting your own feelings instead of trusting what God said. Feelings and experiences are unreliable. People on LSD have mystical experiences, does that mean that the way to find God is by dropping acid?
I understand what you are saying but you cannot have a true experience with God until you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that the Jesus that died on the cross for your sins and rose again to eternal life is the Lord of all Creation. Until you get to the point that you realize you are a sinner in need of salvation you cannot experience Jesus by any name. First you must be born into His new creation and then He gives you the presence of the Holy Spirit. Any other way to God’s presence is a counterfeit.
Satan is a powerful Angel of light he can give you any mystical feeling he wants and he is obviously doing just that to deceive many. Humans are prone to deception. This is one reason why there is only one way to God and that is God’s way through His Son.
You must believe that God revealed himself in Jesus Christ, paid for your sins, and will save those who will believe that God provided the way to His presence. It is because of His righteousness to save not your experiences. Every other way to God is false. You cannot get to perfection from imperfection. Perfection had to take on your imperfection and save those in imperfection and bring it into perfection through.His own works, not through yours.
I wrote articles that explain how one is saved and why there is only one way to God.
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/How%20one%20is%20saved.htm
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/theonlyway.HTM
Is it too much for God to ask that people believe Him rather than believing every human that comes along with another delusion that will lead them to delusion? It is not the name that is important it is what the name represents “Jesus” - “Jehovah is salvation”. There is only one Savior and He was displayed in Jesus Christ and He is written about in the Bible. Anything outside of that absolute truth is a lie.
Don’t confuse the experiences in churches and in the lives of people who go to churches with Christianity. There are many false Christians. Christianity is nothing more than a personal relationship with the Creator of the Universe through His indwelling Holy Spirit. How we obtain that relationship is told in the gospel (good news). The Bible is very clear how we come into fellowship with God. You must believe in the Son defined in the Bible.
Buddhism and other Eastern paths to God is man trying to become God by his own merits. No person will ever see God without coming through the way and work that God provided. There is not an “AND Jesus” there is only Jesus. Any other being claiming to be a door of enlightenment is a demon.
What does it profit a person if they gain the whole world and lose their own soul? The fact that she was becoming a mature person has no standing with God. God asks that you come to His Son for salvation because His Son is the Creator. Now why would the Creator allow demonic substitutes of deception and those corrupted by them to enter his perfect heaven? If He did it would not be perfect anymore!
Where has she sinned? We all have sinned and that is why we all need Jesus Christ to atone for our sins and make us perfect before God. She certainly cannot do it by sucking up to demonic spirits and make no mistake Buddhism is demonic. They worship the creation rather than the Creator.
Your problem is you probably never read the Bible or never understood it and never truly heard or rejected the salvation message. Read my articles and at least you will hear it. Only you can send yourself to hell by rejecting God’s Son as the path to salvation.
You want to get to God through experiences instead of through His Son. Unless you come to the Creator by the way the Creator provided why would you expect to have fellowship with the Creator?
Don, I am reading your articles, they provoke interesting thoughts. I don’t want to turn this into a Biblical discussion but the problem for me is taking a text so literally as you imply… when it is so full of contradictions:
How do you manage to Fear God and Love Him simultaneously:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%206:5&version=9;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%206:13&version=9;
when it is stated that they cannot go together:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%204:18&version=9;
?
Or:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2016:28&version=9;
Is literally saying that Jesus will return before people present die (sorry, interpretation of ‘tasting death’)… which to my knowledge did not yet happen, I doubt some one today is nearly 2000 years old. (also I believe ‘Son of Man coming in his Kingdom’ is commonly interpreted (yes interpreted) as the second coming, am I right?)
And in what way is the following different from the teachings of Buddha (and Tolle!)?:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2017:20-17:21&version=31
If I take these last two passages it is quite literally implying one does not need to die to experience the second coming of Christ, within or among us.
Christ Consciousness, Voila! (that is more of a joke
So how does one not ‘pick’ or take things not so literally?
Words by their nature are limited, and anything expressed in words will lack in perfection of that which is described.. which does not mean that Jesus was not perfect, just that when he spoke he had to communicate in our fallible and biased language.
This is why I love the Zen (Buddhist) saying: The Tao that is spoken is not the true Tao (Tao being the All, God, Mystery)
And why Jesus spoke mostly in parables (to bypass literal interpretations, or misinterpretations).
If you study the root of language and how the mind forms it you will start to see how limited and imperfect it is for describing anything.. more so God or matters of the spirit.
So how can Jesus speak to us in this language for that we may understand something, without his word suffering from the inevitable imperfections of the tool used to convey His message?
Even if he is the Son of God, I am not questioning that nor decided about it for myself…. just the process of Him, later His word, later the memory of the Apostles or sons of, or people around them and all their imperfections in trying to create a book that took hundreds of years in the making, to my knowledge greatly churned into form by the Council of Carthage in 397AD (I’m not even getting into translation issues).
I can’t even imagine the process of selection and interpretation done by hundreds of individuals (which explains the inconsistency and contradiction). And more so the opportunity for intentional exclusion of passages done in order to create the mass control mechanism it turned into not much later….
And the declaration of the Gospel of Thomas as a heretical text (or forgery) which not surprisingly is similar to Eastern teachings.
For example, everything about the afterlife and the judgement.. were those Jesus’ words?
In your article “Belief implies trust in Jesus and by this faith you are saved” it is as if you have found a way to rest your head, as so many do, from the terror of being alive and not knowing what awaits for us after death, if anything.
But:
“[...]Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.”
Luke 9:58
I appreciate and thank you for your time,
N
Nicolas
You ask how do you manage to fear God and love Him simultaneously?
The same way you did your own Father. The word fear is not a perfect translation and it would have different meanings for those who love Him and those who don’t. It means awe or reverence for those who love God. Dread and fear would be appropriate for those who do not because God will judge all and He has total control over where you will spend eternity.
On your second question. Jesus might have been talking about the vision that Peter James and John saw on the Mount of Transfiguration three days later but more likely He was talking about Pentecost. When the Holy Spirit indwelt all believers and the spiritual kingdom of God came to all believers on earth.
On the next question I believe Jesus was saying that the kingdom of God is among you or in your midst. Jesus was among them at that time. He certainly was not saying the Kingdom of God would come in the Pharisees that he called a brood of vipers. So no, you cannot find God by looking inside yourself.
The point is that when it comes to God’s word you need to take it literally. God meant what He said. When God uses literary devices like figures of speech and allegory in the Bible it is clear in the passage. Unfortunately too many try to make the Bible fit their theology instead of just reading it in a common sense way unless it is an obvious tool of communication by the writer. What writer would write something that could not be understood? What would be the point? Anyone then could put any meaning they want on it like the postmodern generation and liberals do. God actually wrote the Bible to be understood by those with spiritual eyes to see and the truths therein are absolute.
Jesus spoke in parables so those blinded by their father the Devil would not see. Not all people are children of God. That is what the parable of the wheat and the tares is all about.
The word of God is precise. It is the translations that are not quite as precise. Jesus said every letter written in the law and prophets would be fulfilled. I do not know how you get any more precise than that.
The Bible was written by 40 authors who wrote 66 books over hundreds of years and it is a integrated message. It is all about Jesus from beginning to end. No human authors on their own could possibly create such a collection of books. It is quite impossible.
The books of the Bible were in common usage before the canon was established. All they did was sort out the crap like the gospel of Thomas that obviously was not inspired by God.
There are no contradictions in the Bible. There might be a few versus that we do not fully understand but all the major so called contradictions have been answered but unbelievers continually like to keep bringing up contradictions as if they have not been answered. The real problem is that they do not want to look up or accept the explanations.
You can find this information if you really care to in books and websites that deal with supposed Bible contradictions.
Everything in the Bible is Jesus words. It is all inspired by the Creator. Just because it is not in red does not make it any less God’s word.
The Bible is clear that those that believe that Jesus died for our sins and believe that God rose Jesus from the dead to everlasting life will be saved. That is God’s promise to those who believe Him and I rest my head on that with certainty. I do fear uncertainty at death. I know where I am going. I wish you would find that same peace.
having said all this I am not going to be able to continue these long discourses other emails, blogs and work is stacking up. All of what I spoke about can be found on any good Christians apologetics website or book.
I want to tell my personal experience w/this book.1st, I don’t watch Oprah & knew nothing about the book. I bought it because of its cover description & I liked the idea of finding my purpose in life.I read about 180pgs,skipped my nightly Bible readings& thought this guy was hitting on something profound.It had a lot of Eastern religious threads interweaved despite his quotes of the NT. I recognized this &discarded the ideas I knew were wrong but still thought I could gain something from this while worshipping Jesus.
I read my Bible on night 4. God spoke to me TWICE against worshipping other gods &the doom that would ensue.I flipped through the 1st scripture,decided I didn’t need that &RANDOMLY selected another page w/a VERY similar message. I knew God was speaking to me at that point. He wanted me to stop reading & TRASH the book. Don’t give it away, don’t sell just trash it! I have no doubt there is something very evil here for God to speak so strongly. My testimony-God is good
The indoctrination practices of Christianity are indistinguishable from any other cult.
How can I qualify this statement?
According to the Grolier Encyclopedia, brainwashing involves two aspects: the confession of past crimes or errors, and re-education to new beliefs. Victims of brainwashing are “brought to confess” by “isolation from familiar surroundings”, and a “routine requiring absolute obedience and humility”, and “social pressure” from other victims with whom they are in contact. “The last includes mutual criticism and self-criticism sessions, which play particularly on the generalized guilt feeling that all people have to some extent. At the same time regular indoctrination sessions are conducted. The acceptance of the new ideas is again fostered by group pressure and the anticipated reward of freedom.”
These are the methods of Christianity.
More from Grolier Encyclopedia: “Improved understanding of psychology and neurophysiology have enabled modern totalitarian regimes to create extremely effective brainwashing programs. Some of their techniques, however, have been used for centuries; the INQUISITION, for example, elicited confessions from alleged heretics by similar methods. In the context of religion, some scholars have noted a parallel between brainwashing for political purposes and the techniques used by some religious groups to generate religious excitement and conversion.”
Again, Christianity. The parallel is observable in religions that use physical means (such as scourging, singing, rhythmic movement, dancing and drumming) to induce a trancelike state in which the individual is open to conversion. It is also apparent in the mind-control practices of some of the modern religions prevalent in the United States and elsewhere, most notably the People’s Temple group of Guyana, whose 900 person membership committed mass suicide in 1978.
What happens to individuals who have been psychologically abused and morally betrayed by
fundamentalist cult-like churches? How can they recover from the damage done? Physically leaving a church is relatively easy, but the emotional and psychological departure can take months or even years. This is why it is hard to understand how any person can stay under a state of religious influence - much the same way that people fail to see how battered women stay with their abusers.
Such dysfunctional and destructive cults of religion (whether Hari Krishna’s, Moonies, Branch Davidians, Heaven’s Gate or Fundamentalist Christians) often use manipulation, fear, and deception to maintain a hold on members. They also shower their prey with unbelievable amounts of affection and approval for staying in the group and meeting their expectations (”love-bombing”). The religious cults discourage members from receiving information from the outside. Thus it becomes a sin to read any “worldly” publications or “spiritual pornography.” Cults establish their own distinction between right and wrong, good and evil; everything in the group is positive (godly), and doubts, and serious questions are not tolerated. The authority of the group’s leadership is virtually absolute. All problems are oversimplified and deflected either away from the group or back towards the individual (this is a methodology that is called conflict isolation).
It is no wonder, therefore, that the religiously abused frequently suffer from emotional and psychological problems. It is high time that our society recognizes and deals with religious abuse as a social-psychological disorder in itself.
Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ the Creator of this Universe. I do not need to qualify that statement - it just is. Accept it or reject it, that truth remains.
If you want to know how this relationship is achieved read my article on it.
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/How%20one%20is%20saved.htm
People always have reactions be it toward music, philosophy, religion, politicians or the ice cream man’s bell. If they did not they would not be human. You seem to imply that because people act like humans in regard to religion they are mentally ill. Your views are a dangerous un-American fascist concept. I see more brainwashing going on schools and media, not to mention the global warming indoctrination insanity.
Tolle teaches love. He teaches the importance of stillness in one’s spirit, removal of the “ego” and removal of the “painbody.” The ego is the part of man that creates an identity for himself or creates the story of his life. For example: the ego is the part in the man that identifies himself as someone with financial burdens or with an eating disorder or with a family that doesn’t love him or care about him. The ego creates a “life story.” The painbody is an aspect of the ego concerned with negative past experiences. The painbody is just a term that describes how people react to certain situations when they hold on to grudges or their “life story.” Releasing the painbody and ego creates an inner stillness. It is a space of pure love. A space of immeasurable love and joy, one of expanding light that warms the inner soul of your being. When one finds this stillness, there is no judgement but pure love and compassion. Tolle writes that he is “not offering a religion or set of beliefs.” He does not intend to compete with any religion, nor has he chastised any religion. Tolle simply draws from many world religions, the common denominator of love.
Your so silly!
It does not matter what Tolle claims those with big egos will claim anything. What Tolle actually offers is anti Christian paganism. There is no need for Tolle to claim to compete with religion when all religious that Tolle’s draws from are doctrines of devils.
The only thing ego every created was people like Tolle.
I also know first hand that Tolle’s ego created some painbody here.
askeptic, you show very little understanding of the Christian faith. Your own ego seems to be a barrier in the true understanding of Jesus Christ. I challenge you to find anything about the true Christian faith that correlates to your distorted perception of “manipulation, fear, and deception to maintain a hold on members.” And no, simply regurgitating the Crusades does not qualify here. Try to research and understand Christ and His message and importance to every living being on Earth, and then try to justify your statement. Something tells me your ego will not allow you to submit to this, or to a higher power, and unfortunately you are much poorer for it. I pray for you and all who doubt the divinity and promise found in Christ Jesus.
Don,
Have you even read any of his books? Your ego - the very fact that you wring your hands waiting to pounce on someone who disagrees wtih you - is the very problem he talks about. You argue with posters because ‘you’ need to be ‘right’ and make ‘others wrong’. I’d call that closer to acting like the Pharisees than to acting like a Christian.
Because of Tolle, I have been rereading the bible in parts - especially Jesus’ Parables - and have found a deeper understanding of them than I had ever before. I am able now to shed the historical nonsense that pervaded my views with a fresh, clear and insightful vision and understanding of what Jesus’ teachings mean to me.
Your sanctimonious piousness is unbecoming. Jesus warned of this in the Parable of the Lost Coin. Perhaps you should revisit that.
Regards,
Mark
I have read enough excepts of what Tolle said in his book to know that his Jesus is not the biblical Jesus and to know that Tolle’s teachings are lies. You do not have to read the endless complete works of new age pagan thought to know that doctrine all comes from the same rotten tree. We can judge they by who they say Jesus is? Tolle fails the test of a believer and he fails the test as a teacher from God.
I don’t reply to posters to make myself right and others wrong. That is a subjective biased judgment on your part and not something that you would find supported in the Sermon on the Mount. One of my goals on this Blog is to expose end time religious deceptions that we were warned about. The Bible warned that these men would come in the last days and itch peoples ears with doctrines of devils. Tolle has.
If your understanding of the parables places the wrong meaning on the parable you can get all you want out of it but all you got still will not be the truth. The parable about the lost coin that was found is about lost sinners that repent which is something Tolle really needs to do. I am not a lost sinner. I am in Christ. Tolle by his very views makes Jesus less than the only begotten Son of God who died on the cross to take away the sins of those who believe in His righteousness to save. The only way to Father God and the only Savior given by which mankind must be saved is Jesus.
Remember all teachers can be judged by who they say that Jesus is. Tolle’s expression of who Jesus is did not come from God or the Bible it came from his own mind or Devils.
So if that makes true believers in Jesus sanctimonious piousness and unbecoming in your eyes then you have an I problem. I suggest that you need to find the “I Am” Savior that will take your blinders off.
Don: “I have read enough excepts of what Tolle said in his book …”
How would you feel if I said “I read enough excerpts from the bible to know….” and go on an (incorrect) assessment of the teachings? You’d probably admonish me for not completing my studies. Back at ya. Excerpts are not studies. Your education is incomplete by your own admission. Try reading it with no preconcieved notions or ideas. You’ll find it in complete harmony with Jesus and his teachings. You might be slightly offended by the dogmatic christian teachings, but who isn’t?
Don: “Remember all teachers can be judged by who they say that Jesus is. Tolle’s expression of who Jesus is did not come from God or the Bible it came from his own mind or Devils.”
That’s YOUR opinion, YOUR Ego talking. YOU need that to be true so you can inflate yourself. Isn’t that obvious?
How would you make that statement given that you have yet to read the book, only ‘excerpts’, and probably excerpts that you had highly slanted preconcieved, anti-christ notions about? You speak from quicksand. You cannot defend that position no matter how hard you try, and I am not going to try and talk you out of it. Your mind is obviously closed and full of the Christian dogma that is corrupting the teachings he is trying to convey.
Tolle mentions about Jesus a few parables and *his* interpretation of them, not the conventional christian dogma. I happen to agree with his interpretations - they come with lightness, clarity and no historical baggage to speak of. He does not ‘exhalt’ himself, unlike you have here.
Don: “So if that makes true believers …” - I guess because I have a differing viewpoint than you do that makes me an ‘untrue beleiver’. Sanctimonious was the right term. Thanks for proving that for everyone who reads this blog.
Have a nice day.
Mark I wrote a ebook and many articles and many people comment on them all the time without actually reading what I said. Did you even read the article that this post quotes and links to or does reading the material just apply to me? If you did read the article you would know why Christians are giving Tolle a big thumb’s down..
The person I quoted and linked to a well known Christian writer that I trust who documents what she writes. I know she did read the book and she quotes pages. So should I now believe that she was lying about what she quoted and said about the book? Also this is not the first article that I have read from astute Christian authors on Tolle. I have read and posted other Christian discernment ministries that also know what they are are talking about. I have even heard some Christian audio commentators speaking about Oprah and Tolle’s book. So what I said was not an uninformed judgment.
In contrast are you actually reading what the Christian critics have said or do you just like Tolle because what he says makes you feel good and you get the warm fuzzes? Truth can stand the test by Tolle writings cannot and be called Christian read both side. Maybe you should check a little deeper into why we Christians are against the teaching of Tolle instead of defending him without knowing the Christian viewpoint. Gee, only your eternal salvation might depend on find out what really is true.
I do not need to read any more New Age crap because I have read many books on New Age teaching. Why should I waste my time reading what I already know they teach and just write the same things that other astute Christian authors have already said? Most of what he is saying is not new it is just a rehash of the same old New Age crap . What was quoted in Christians articles like the one I linked too was all any true Christian needs to make a judgment.
As soon as someone talks about a Universal Consciousness, Christ Conscieousness, inner light etc. I already know they are New Age and that they do not have a clue about Christian truth. You make the mistake of thinking that true Christians can be convinced of pagan doctrine as easy as you were convinced by reading Tolle’s New Age books. That is not the case. We know the truth so lies are not going to get us to accept his false pagan viewpoints
I am quite aware that you agree with Tolle’s unconventional Christian dogma but no Christian would call it Christian dogma. Your also not a “untrue” believer you are not a believer in Jesus Christ at all. No believer in Jesus Christ could agree with Tolle. His writings are totally contrary to the Christian message and way of salvation. I wrote an article on how you can find salvation if you really want to read the truth.
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/How%20one%20is%20saved.htm
You might as well read why Jesus is the only way to salvation and not one of many paths to God like Tolle teaches as well.
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/theonlyway.HTM
By the way, most of the people who read my blogs are Christians and they agree that Tolle is teaching doctrines of devils. So if what I said makes me sanctimonious you are also calling them sanctimonious. That should win you points! Actually, I guess we are holier-than-thou because we believe the truth and you believe Tolle’s fables..
First, I do not consider anything Tolle writes as ‘doctrine’. I can get enough of that at the local Church, thank you. Actually, your web side is a fine example.
You characterize it as ‘new age crap’ - well, there you go with that great open-mindedness you are famous for. As for ‘Christian Critics of Tolle’, where are they? What are they defending? What is their criticism? What are *you* defending? Your ‘personal god’? and why should I even care? Remember, you began the conversation with your great blog entry ‘the doctrines of demons’ - like that isn’t a lightning rod for criticism itself.
I don’t consider it ‘Tolles unconventional Christian dogma’ - that is *your* label. I consider it an alternate path to the same place, a path not littered with thousands of years of death and destruction and politics and murder and agenda the mainstream BIG BUSINESS Christian church is famous for - ‘Old Age Christian Crap’ as it were. I consider it a more truthful, clear and conscious way, a way that takes the words of Jesus and doesn’t inject them with dogma and centuries of misinterpretation to appease the masses. And, Tolle isn’t even *about* Jesus - he quotes the Buddha - who precedes Jesus by 500 years - just as frequently.
In the end, that works for *me*. *You* cannot save me; I need not be saved.
Truth is Truth.
You can have that. If that is the price of admission to *your* idea of Heaven, I’ll go elsewhere.
Perhaps you should read Dao De Jing. Is a bit older than what you might be used to. No Jesus, No Buddha, just truth, as you would have it.
Again, Have a nice Day.
Who said I was opened minded? When it comes to Christian truth I am not opened minded.
What do you mean where are the critics of Tolle? Try doing a Google search. I have 7 posts on just this blog with articles that mention Tolle and one on my other Blog
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/?s=tolle
http://www.thepropheticyear