I accept AA as this: AA is about helping other alcoholics achieve sobriety, that’s it. How I attain Salvation is left up to me and AA wants no part of it.

I don’t have any problem going to a NASCAR race, having them say a prayer and give one iota of what the person I’m standing with beliefs are about when they pray. My expectation is not about the prayer but about watching NASCAR.

Going to an AA meeting I get aid or tools to stay sober. My salvation only comes through Christ which is NOT preached at AA.

All that aside, I do believe AA has given me many great tools to be a better Christian.

http://www.worldviewtimes.com/article.php/articleid-4875/Brannon-Howse/John-Lanagan

Lupton made several interesting comments. He noted that A.A. demonstrated the “principle of universality.” Lupton declared, “We are beginning to recognize the substantial unity of all religious faiths. Back of all religions is religion itself. Religion appears in differing types, but they are all expressions of one great impulse to live nobly and to adore the highest.”

According to Lupton, “This universality of religion is recognized by the Alcoholics Anonymous.” (Italics mine)

Why was this man whose religion denies Christ as Savior in such alignment with A.A.? Because Alcoholics Anonymous, like Unitarians and universalists, does not believe it particularly matters WHO (or what) one prays to, only that one worships something.

Lupton’s religion believes Salvation is universal.

At the end of his sermon, he gave this advice. “One final word to the members of Alcoholics Anonymous. Go back to your synagogues and churches; they need you and you need them. Preserve your principle of Universality, your faith that all religion is one.” (Bold and Italics mine)

Alcoholics Anonymous is full of hurting people who are doing the best they can with the heresy that they have been taught. A.A. is not of Christ, and was never of Christ. The connection with the swiss-cheese theology of the pseudo-Christian Oxford Group does not change this. Using the Bible for general spiritual principles does not change this.

They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us.; but they went out, so it would be shown that they all are not of us. (1 John 2:19)

The Oxford Group, which is so often used as proof of A.A.’s “Christian” origin, also “went out” and, like A.A., adapted an any-and-all-gods approach.

According to PASS IT ON, the official A.A. biography of A.A. cofounder Bill Wilson, “He felt AA.’s usefulness was worldwide, and contained spiritual principles that members of any and every religion could accept, including the Easten religions.” (PASS IT ON, pg. 283)

I also have not suppressed your writings so you lied the moderator has not tried to suppress your writings as you said. However, I assure you in the future that you are not going to keep clipping and pasting stuff from your books and present them as comments on my site. That is not acceptable diologue.

If you look at the comments on this post most of the entries are by you so you had your say. I did warn you that if you are only here to promote your books you will not be published but I have not as yet suppressed your comments. However, with your attitude do not be surprised when that happens. Read my posting policy on my sidebar.

Frankly, with all your comments you have not yet addressed the topic of this post which is the present Universalism promoted in AA It seems you just want to divert the topic to your books and views on the early AA founders. That is not the subject of this post and your views of the founders of AA can be refuted and the truth of the matter has little bearing on what is happening in AA meetings today.

Instead of being a troll who comes around on any blog that mentions AA in order to promote your books, comment on the post topic and seriously answer questions put to you or find another place.

Do you know how it would bless our God, He of patience and grace and lovingkindness, if you repented and started warning people that your books portraying AA and the12 Steps as Christian in origin are wrong?

In 1934, just before he entered Towns Hospital for the last time as a patient, Alcoholics Anonymous Founder Bill Wilson went to the altar at Calvary Rescue Mission in New York. And, in the words of his wife Lois Wilson, “And he went up, and really, in very great sincerity, did hand over his life to Christ.” (“Lois Remembers: Searcy, Ebby, Bill & Early Days.” Recorded in Dallas, Texas, June 29 1973, Moore, OK: Sooner Cassette, Side One). In the earliest Akron A.A. days, Bill Wilson stated: “Henrietta [Dotson, wife of A.A. Number Three], the Lord has been so wonderful to me, curing me of this terrible disease that I just want to keep talking about it and telling people.” Alcoholics Anonymous, 4th ed., 191. On pages 216-217 of Alcoholics Anonymous, 3rd ed., a Cleveland A.A. newcomer asked Bill Wilson what it was “that worked so many wonders” and said, “hanging over the mantel was a picture of Gethsemane and Bill pointed to it and said, ‘There it is’.” The picture was a painting of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane (Matthew 26:36-39). In the pioneer A.A. Akron Fellowship, every member was required to accept Jesus Christ as his personal lord and saviour. This has been personally verified to me by the wife and writings of Clarence H. Snyder; the recorded remarks of oldtimer J. D. Holmes, and my telephone conversations with oldtimers Ed Andy and Larry Bauer. For many of the specific details about early Alcoholics Anonymous and the Lord Jesus Christ, see Dick B., The Conversion of Bill W.: More on the Creator’s Role in Early A.A. http://dickb.com/conversion.shtml, and Dr. Bob of Alcoholics Anonymous: His Excellent Training in the Good Book as a Youngster in Vermont http://dickb.com/drbobofaa.shtml
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Galatians 1 should strike Christians as very serious–Paul calls those who bring “a gospel contrary to what you received” (Gal 1:9), “ACCURSED” (1:8 and 1:9)

So we are going to tell people it is okay to pray and take part in A.A. when Christ is just one more ‘higher power”… Are we are going to link hands and pray with Wiccans, Buddhists, Mormons, and whoever else is at the meeting? That’s okay, huh? A little warm up for the coming universalism.

2nd Corinthians 6:14-17 tells us to come out and be separate. How do pro-A.A. Christians deal with these Scriptures? Well, they don’t. They cannot.