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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/05/14/a-god-given-right-to-the-land-of-israel.html/comment-page-1/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.el-Nasrani said » 

“I always *write* what I think myself”, not “right”.. Sorry, that’s the kind of mistakes you get when typing too fast.

For someone like yourself who speaks and writes more languages then everyone on this post combined I think it would be excusable if it were not even a typo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.el-Nasrani said » </p>
<p>“I always *write* what I think myself”, not “right”.. Sorry, that’s the kind of mistakes you get when typing too fast.</p>
<p>For someone like yourself who speaks and writes more languages then everyone on this post combined I think it would be excusable if it were not even a typo.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, whoever you are I deleted J's first comments because after his attack I was going to ban him but after he followed up with a scripture post I decided he wanted to take a civil approach so I responded.

Let me just say that el-Nasrani is one of the most brilliant young minds I have met, any wise person would take heed to his inputs here. He like I get aggravated by the blindness of this present generation. The fact that Bible prophecy is being fulfilled in this generation should be clear to anyone who can make world observations and read the Bible prophets. The fact that people wish to believe anything but the truth is simply..... prophetic.

The temple fell because Israel reject their Messiah. Jesus said it would fall. 

Ezekiel chapters 40-48 say the sacrificial system will be restored in the millennium exactly why it will is debatable. The fact that this has never been fulfilled and cannot be allegorical  is not debatable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, whoever you are I deleted J&#8217;s first comments because after his attack I was going to ban him but after he followed up with a scripture post I decided he wanted to take a civil approach so I responded.</p>
<p>Let me just say that el-Nasrani is one of the most brilliant young minds I have met, any wise person would take heed to his inputs here. He like I get aggravated by the blindness of this present generation. The fact that Bible prophecy is being fulfilled in this generation should be clear to anyone who can make world observations and read the Bible prophets. The fact that people wish to believe anything but the truth is simply&#8230;.. prophetic.</p>
<p>The temple fell because Israel reject their Messiah. Jesus said it would fall. </p>
<p>Ezekiel chapters 40-48 say the sacrificial system will be restored in the millennium exactly why it will is debatable. The fact that this has never been fulfilled and cannot be allegorical  is not debatable.</p>
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		<title>By: el-Nasrani</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/05/14/a-god-given-right-to-the-land-of-israel.html/comment-page-1/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>el-Nasrani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I always *write* what I think myself", not "right".. Sorry, that's the kind of mistakes you get when typing too fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I always *write* what I think myself&#8221;, not &#8220;right&#8221;.. Sorry, that&#8217;s the kind of mistakes you get when typing too fast.</p>
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		<title>By: el-Nasrani</title>
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		<dc:creator>el-Nasrani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a joke, right? I can not believe suddenly a guy called "J" pops up refuting Don's views on Revelation and then Greg" comes along and "Warner" tells us how much he enjoyed J's comments and agrees with "Greg". 

I don't regret any of my comments. I don't claim to be right always, and I'm willing to admit where I was wrong. In fact I have admitted a few times when I realized I was wrong. Yet I take full credit for all I write and I always right what I think myself. The fact that I often comment on these blogs doesn't mean I am always in agreement with Don, although I often am, yes. So what are you accusing me of - bias, naivety? Is the fact that I am often in agreement with Don or that I comment a lot on these blogs somehow a reason to ignore my arguments or consider them invalid?  Grow up, man!

Rather than responding to my arguments, you have just posted the same nonsense over and over again. Yes, I call it nonsense because it is a simplistic, selective and loose interpretation of the Bible. If you were really interested in debating you would at least have taken the time to read Don's material first and have checked out some other sites that explain the dispensational view on Christian eschatology. Yet you chose not to. 

I won't waste my time responding again to your non-arguments for a 2nd time in row. If you're so interested in debating Christian eschatological views in a serious manner, you should first do your homework. And even then this is not the right place to argue, as Don has pointed out. 

If I may add that I also find it bad taste that you would start this kind of a discussion arguing in favor of replacement theology (that's basically what it is, whether you wish to call it that way or not) in response to a thread about the state of Israel for God's sakes. 

Walter, Greg, J, whoever you are, stop acting silly and learn to debate maturely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a joke, right? I can not believe suddenly a guy called &#8220;J&#8221; pops up refuting Don&#8217;s views on Revelation and then Greg&#8221; comes along and &#8220;Warner&#8221; tells us how much he enjoyed J&#8217;s comments and agrees with &#8220;Greg&#8221;. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t regret any of my comments. I don&#8217;t claim to be right always, and I&#8217;m willing to admit where I was wrong. In fact I have admitted a few times when I realized I was wrong. Yet I take full credit for all I write and I always right what I think myself. The fact that I often comment on these blogs doesn&#8217;t mean I am always in agreement with Don, although I often am, yes. So what are you accusing me of - bias, naivety? Is the fact that I am often in agreement with Don or that I comment a lot on these blogs somehow a reason to ignore my arguments or consider them invalid?  Grow up, man!</p>
<p>Rather than responding to my arguments, you have just posted the same nonsense over and over again. Yes, I call it nonsense because it is a simplistic, selective and loose interpretation of the Bible. If you were really interested in debating you would at least have taken the time to read Don&#8217;s material first and have checked out some other sites that explain the dispensational view on Christian eschatology. Yet you chose not to. </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t waste my time responding again to your non-arguments for a 2nd time in row. If you&#8217;re so interested in debating Christian eschatological views in a serious manner, you should first do your homework. And even then this is not the right place to argue, as Don has pointed out. </p>
<p>If I may add that I also find it bad taste that you would start this kind of a discussion arguing in favor of replacement theology (that&#8217;s basically what it is, whether you wish to call it that way or not) in response to a thread about the state of Israel for God&#8217;s sakes. </p>
<p>Walter, Greg, J, whoever you are, stop acting silly and learn to debate maturely.</p>
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		<title>By: Warner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 22:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bible quotes J sent you were right on. I do not believe he was derogatory toward you. It is too bad that you deleted the comment you say he insulted you. So you make me take your word for it? I do not believe you.

"el-Nasrani" did not make too much sense, but I see he is a friend of yours since he has written much for you on this web site. He did sound rude. Perhaps your other readers can see it.

I think "Greg" is correct also. Mathew 24:24 is already fulfilled, and the last physical temple is now gone. It fell because the Jews brought sacrifices after Christ paid the ultimate price.

Do you think he is going to restore the sacrificial system again in some future time?

Any way, I enjoyed J's comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bible quotes J sent you were right on. I do not believe he was derogatory toward you. It is too bad that you deleted the comment you say he insulted you. So you make me take your word for it? I do not believe you.</p>
<p>&#8220;el-Nasrani&#8221; did not make too much sense, but I see he is a friend of yours since he has written much for you on this web site. He did sound rude. Perhaps your other readers can see it.</p>
<p>I think &#8220;Greg&#8221; is correct also. Mathew 24:24 is already fulfilled, and the last physical temple is now gone. It fell because the Jews brought sacrifices after Christ paid the ultimate price.</p>
<p>Do you think he is going to restore the sacrificial system again in some future time?</p>
<p>Any way, I enjoyed J&#8217;s comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like J quit so I will answer Greg.

There is one tree it is the commonwealth of Israel. Natural branches were broken off so the wild could be grafted in but God can also graft the natural back into their own tree and He implies that He will.

I also totally agree that the Jews in Israel today are not friends of Christ but God specially called it His land and woe to any nation that tries to make it their own. If God wants to kick out the Jews from His land He has done that before and can do it again but from my understanding of scripture the next major happening to  Israel will be what the Bible calls Jacob's trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like J quit so I will answer Greg.</p>
<p>There is one tree it is the commonwealth of Israel. Natural branches were broken off so the wild could be grafted in but God can also graft the natural back into their own tree and He implies that He will.</p>
<p>I also totally agree that the Jews in Israel today are not friends of Christ but God specially called it His land and woe to any nation that tries to make it their own. If God wants to kick out the Jews from His land He has done that before and can do it again but from my understanding of scripture the next major happening to  Israel will be what the Bible calls Jacob&#8217;s trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your wasting my time which may be your purpose. I said I would not get sucked into a endless debate on covenant versus dispensational theology and I meant it. So thats the end of my comments on this topic. 

If you wish to debate yourself be my guest. If you start making personal insulting comments about me or anyone else making comments on this blog (like J did on the first comment that I deleted) you will be totally banned from posting further comments anywhere on this blog.

Enjoy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your wasting my time which may be your purpose. I said I would not get sucked into a endless debate on covenant versus dispensational theology and I meant it. So thats the end of my comments on this topic. </p>
<p>If you wish to debate yourself be my guest. If you start making personal insulting comments about me or anyone else making comments on this blog (like J did on the first comment that I deleted) you will be totally banned from posting further comments anywhere on this blog.</p>
<p>Enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/05/14/a-god-given-right-to-the-land-of-israel.html/comment-page-1/#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

I am tired of writing to you. You have just said that Scripture is not worthwhile. ("I am still waiting for you to say something worthwhile...") I already told you that the scripture said what I wanted to say to you better than I could express it.

The scriptures I use are longer than a modern man-centered statements because I want the whole context to be seen. 

The Greek is clear on exactly what Jesus meant, and the majority of generations of Christians understood what he meant. In these last dregs of the Down-Grade, men now agree with a barrage of secondary meanings. These meanings are twisted into scripture to substantiate a premise. The dispensationalists premise is first, then the Scripture backs it.

The Christian's method first employs scripture and lets the meaning flow.

Good bye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>I am tired of writing to you. You have just said that Scripture is not worthwhile. (&#8221;I am still waiting for you to say something worthwhile&#8230;&#8221;) I already told you that the scripture said what I wanted to say to you better than I could express it.</p>
<p>The scriptures I use are longer than a modern man-centered statements because I want the whole context to be seen. </p>
<p>The Greek is clear on exactly what Jesus meant, and the majority of generations of Christians understood what he meant. In these last dregs of the Down-Grade, men now agree with a barrage of secondary meanings. These meanings are twisted into scripture to substantiate a premise. The dispensationalists premise is first, then the Scripture backs it.</p>
<p>The Christian&#8217;s method first employs scripture and lets the meaning flow.</p>
<p>Good bye</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/05/14/a-god-given-right-to-the-land-of-israel.html/comment-page-1/#comment-658</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On your second post. Nobody questions the scriptures, We question your suggestion as to what they mean.

Nobody is accusing you of anything. I am still waiting for you to say something worthwhile instead of just posting scriptures that can be refuted with other scriptures. I keep telling you that covenant theology and dispensational theology cannot be in agreement. So why would you expect agreement when it has not been achieved by the best minds of both theologies?

What is your purpose anyway? Do you just like to argue?

Jesus had to go to the cross or you would not be saved. That is why he would not allow them to make Him king before the appointed time. Jesus had to fulfill scripture.

Jesus actually may have said His kingdom is not of the age. World also means age in Greek. it is a matter of your choice of word. They killed Him because he claimed to be equal to God not because He said His kingdom was not of this world. That is a ridiculous statement.

It would be nice if you had some truth from God's word. I am not hearing any from your assertions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On your second post. Nobody questions the scriptures, We question your suggestion as to what they mean.</p>
<p>Nobody is accusing you of anything. I am still waiting for you to say something worthwhile instead of just posting scriptures that can be refuted with other scriptures. I keep telling you that covenant theology and dispensational theology cannot be in agreement. So why would you expect agreement when it has not been achieved by the best minds of both theologies?</p>
<p>What is your purpose anyway? Do you just like to argue?</p>
<p>Jesus had to go to the cross or you would not be saved. That is why he would not allow them to make Him king before the appointed time. Jesus had to fulfill scripture.</p>
<p>Jesus actually may have said His kingdom is not of the age. World also means age in Greek. it is a matter of your choice of word. They killed Him because he claimed to be equal to God not because He said His kingdom was not of this world. That is a ridiculous statement.</p>
<p>It would be nice if you had some truth from God&#8217;s word. I am not hearing any from your assertions.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother:
If you ever did anything with fruit trees, you would know that a grafted tree becomes 1 tree, not two.  Read Romans 9-11.  There are not 2 Israel's, but 1.  Not 2 Peoples of God but 1.  I am not anti-Israel, but you have to see that Israel as a nation is no friend of Christ.  Just ask pastors in Israel that fight 5-10 years for a building permit.  All Israel is not Israel.  
Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother:<br />
If you ever did anything with fruit trees, you would know that a grafted tree becomes 1 tree, not two.  Read Romans 9-11.  There are not 2 Israel&#8217;s, but 1.  Not 2 Peoples of God but 1.  I am not anti-Israel, but you have to see that Israel as a nation is no friend of Christ.  Just ask pastors in Israel that fight 5-10 years for a building permit.  All Israel is not Israel.<br />
Greg</p>
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