Shalom,
Jeseca

What irritates me is preachers that con those less knowledgable in God’s word, out of their money with promises that God will OWE them a 30-60-100% return for the SEED ( I’m sick of that term) MONEY that they send in.

Why do you never hear a prosperity pimp mention Matt. 5:22-23 ? “If you bring a gift ( your little check to the TV preacher) to the alter…and have a nought against your brother…put down your gift ( in other words it is worthless to God at this point …irregardless of what the TV preacher tells you) , get right with your brother…then come and make your offer.” In other words if your have grievences with another…your seed money is no good. God ain’t blessing any of it.

You can not do ANYTHING to twist God’s arm… God owes you nothing.

The blessings are all flowing in ONE direction…to the prosperity pimps cofers! They live in million dolar homes, fly on privately owned jets, and have 50 million dollar church budgets…what did you get for your “SEED”?

If you could really just send in a SEED and then God would be bound to give you a 30- 60-100% return…every banking institution in the world would be operating in these principals.
“It only works for christians” you say… Then why is every Christian not a multi-millionaire?

ALSO…When did the term BLESSING become to only mean monetary wealth? “Oh he is doing great he is really blessed.” The Lord blessed me with a raise.”
If a millionaire is suffering from extreme depression, and fear and anxiety… would he want more money as a blessing? Or joy and peace as a blessing?

I Don’t know who is saying evil is coming in stronger than ever at the end of May but evil is coming in stronger everyday when good men do nothing. Kingdom Now heretics say all sorts of things that are very subjective or never come true.

God does not do His best as if God can possibly fail. All will be saved that God appointed to be saved and all those not given to Jesus can never be saved.

Before Jesus returns all those who live on earth will go through a great fiery trial. People basically will be given a choice. They can choose to follow Jesus which most likely will bring about the death of their body through persecution or they can choose to reject Jesus and then they will lose both body and soul when they are appoint their part with the Devil and his angels in the Lake of Fire.

Of course everyone can escape these trials if they make Jesus their Lord and Savior before this trial begins on earth. The trial is not for the Church who already are in Christ it is to force people on earth to make a choice between God’s King and Satan’s king before the establishment of God’s promised kingdom on earth. The time of this grace is coming to an end because the Kingdom is now very near.

I do believe God will do HIS best to get all saved before the end and show HIMSELF STRONG like Jesus did.

Thanks

I do believe God will do HIS best to get all saved before the end and show HIMSELF STRONG like Jesus did.

Thanks

Financial Freedom
God Will Supply Your Need
By Morris Cerullo
Regardless of the conditions you face, as the world’s economy continues to crumble around you, you do not need to be fearful! Your position is a position of strength and power!
God promised you: “The Lord knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever. They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.” (Psalm 37:18-19)
God promised that, in the days of famine, you will be satisfied! The word “satisfied” in this verse is translated from the Hebrew word “saba” which means “to fill to satisfaction, to be full, to have plenty.”
In this Scripture, we are assured that God knows the ultimate destiny of those who walk uprightly before Him… their inheritance is everlasting. We know that we have an eternal inheritance waiting for us in heaven. However, He is also concerned about our daily existence now, here on earth.

Laid Up for the Righteous
By Benny Hinn
Don’t waste precious time and energy fretting over the riches of an unbeliever. One day the tables will be turned. God’s Word declares:
Here is the fate God allots to the wicked, the heritage a ruthless man receives from the Almighty: However many his children, their fate is the sword; his offspring will never have enough to eat. The plague will bury those who survive him, and their widows will not weep for them. Though he heaps up silver like dust and clothes like piles of clay, what he lays up the righteous will wear, and the innocent will divide his silver. The house he builds is like a moth’s cocoon, like a hut made by a watchman. He lies down wealthy, but will do so no more; when he opens his eyes, all is gone. Terrors overtake him like a flood; a tempest snatches him away in the night. The east wind carries him off, and he is gone; it sweeps him out of his place. It hurls itself against him without mercy as he flees headlong from its power. It claps its hands in derision and hisses him out of his place (Job 27:13-23, NIV).
This may come as a shock to some readers, but diligently seeking wisdom actually brings us money, riches and prosperity! Take a look at what the Bible has to say about the connection between wisdom and money:
Length of days is in her [wisdom's] right hand, In her left hand riches and honor (Prov. 3:16).
With me [wisdom] are riches and honor, enduring wealth and prosperity (Prov. 8:18, NIV).
[Wisdom is] bestowing wealth on those who love me and making their treasuries full (Prov. 8:21, NIV).
http://www.bennyhinn.org/yourlife/financialfreedom/default.cfm?pid=58

IT IS TO BE NOTED THAT WISDOM TALKED ABOUT IN PROVERBS IS GOD BE IT JESUS OR THE HOLY SPIRIT AND NOT THE GIVING OF MONEY

If you applied the standards of the prosperity gospel preachers to the Apostle Paul, I guess he lacked faith as he didn’t live in a big place, wear fancy clothes or have a big bank account.

Additionally, they’d have to say our Lord didn’t meet their faith requirements either since he stated he had no place to lay his head. I guess he didn’t have enough faith to get that beach-side condo in Caesarea!

And how come these guys never talk about Jesus, salvation, sin or redemption. Only about stuff, health and the easy life?

Sorry, gotta go rub my green, faith cloth and pour some prosperity water on my head and believe that the Lord will leave me a quarter under my pillow and heal my receding hairline before I wake up in the morning.

Those are the facts and I have no fear of God telling me otherwise. If you think God is working through people with a message like yours prove it! One might think that after forty years of this nonsense that someone could actually produce a verified healing that can be observed like opening the eyes of the blind or growing back a limb. Why do you not go to hospitals and cure terminal patients and replace the surgeons? The truth is that you are all a bunch of silly children playing God anointed me games.

You confuse material wealth with spiritual wealth. It does not take faith to think that God wants you rich, believing that is just misguided presumption and lustful greed. It takes true faith to live for God when your do not have worldly riches and you have to depending on God for your DAILY living. You talk about the Lord’s prayer but why pray “give us THIS DAY our DAILY bread” if you think God wants you to have it all now? That is a contradiction.

Everything you said tells me that you have no understanding and that you think with a carnal mind. People like you are the problem in Christianity not the solution.

You talk about what is in the Bible but by what you said the only passages you know are the ones you can misapply to satisfy the desires of your flesh. Your claims are so ridiculous that I do not even want to waste my time with people like you because I know from experience that people like you are willfully blind. The only gospel you want to hear is how it can please your flesh. You want to act out the role of a little god to acquire worldly riches and fame.

God will give those who live by faith great riches and glory in eternity but He has not given out those rewards yet because that time has not come. The riches of Heaven are not for men of corrupted flesh. Those who live for the things of this sinful world hate God. The role Jesus told you to act out is the role of a servant not a King. Seeking world riches will only corrupt your soul. You cannot serve two masters.

Issiah 61 and 62 is talking about Israel in the millennium not about how God wants the Church to be rich in worldly things. This is a perfect example that you have no understanding of the scriptures. All you have is the often repeated Word Faith presumptions.

If you think what I said was harsh I cannot tell you how much people who preach your gospel of greed in the name of Christianity disgusts me. Prosperity teachers and healing clowns open up Christianity to mockery and Charlatans . I think Paul would say put them out of the Church! So save me the lecture about how I should show Christian love and false humility to you.

I am concerned with the tone and questionable confidence in some of these posts. Don, I am concerned because your logic only limits the power of God and only allows you to believe parts of the Bible are true. I was brought up in a church that taught similar teaching as what you have posted here. I left the church for 10 years still as a believer but in search of a Church opperating in the Power of God. I believe if God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and He did all of the wonderous miracles in the Old Testament and all of the miracles in the New Testament, the only reason we don’t see the church doing the same is lack of faith and a rationalizing that it was for then and not now. That doesn’t even make sense. We have the same God and He is always the same!!! The church was given the Power of God through the Holy Spirit and the Church preformed miracles through this Power. Jesus himself said even the faith of a mustard seed can move a mountain. So, how little the Church’s faith must be if we don’t see these things being manifested. I believe a church that does not acknowledge the Power of God, and does not accept God’s promises to the Church cannot be affective. How about this to snack on. Everytime God came down to earth to dwell, He only dwelt in Wealth worthy for the greatest king. Remember the Tabernacle. So yes, wealth matters. For God to come back for the Church/Bride, He must come back for an unblemished, gorgous, wealthy bride. Unless you believe God will accept a poor, beaten, lack luster, unfaithful Bride who doesn’t even accept His promises or blessings. How dare any of us through this thinking decide not to give God the Bride He told us he is coming for. Why, through pointless reasoning do we limit what God is trying to do to give Him second best? Further more, I caution your judgement of people with gifts such as healing or prophecy. Are some out there a fraud to mimic the Power of God? Yes! But, I would take a few steps back and ask why you are generalizing and why you limit God’s Power? When those false profits do those things to mislead they are simply trying to mimic the true Power of God which, means that the Church does have that power. All Satan has ever done is copy what God does to mislead people. Satan will go as far as to mimic the Trinity in the end times. On that thought, read about the end times. Want to know one reason the wicked will hate the church so much? Cause we will have their money. Its right there in the Bible. And, the Bible is real or it is not. You can’t pick parts. O yea, about God only dwelling in wealth…read about the New Jerusalem. That place sounds pretty saturated with wealth. When God taught us to pray He said “Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven”. That means it is God’s will for all that is of heaven to be here on earth. Did you ever read about the wealth of heaven? Hmmmm. So again, God only dwells in wealth. Seems He doesn’t want to sell himself short, so why do you sell yourself short with the belssings God has given us? I believe much of this comes from two things. One is a lack of understanding of who we are in Christ, our inheritence, our promises, and our purpose, etc… The second is because since the New Testament church, religion has fornicated with and killed much of the church. Jaded teachings have been past on through generations and we now have a powerless Church for the most part. Some churches, thank God have light. Check out Isaiah 61 and 62. The Church will eventually be turned. The Church will rebuild cities, etc… If you want to discuss topics I think that is fine I just caution how the argument is projected and the delivery of it. Cause if you’re wrong, you will be held accountible. Also, as someone who is learning to use the gift of discernment more and more, don’t be so quick to strike. Cause one of us gifted with healing may have to pick the ear up of the ground and put it back on the side of your target’s head.