Comments on: America will become like Sodom and Gomorrah if Christians do nothing http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html Don Koenig gives his wordviews on world and Church issues that often relate to Bible prophecy Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:05:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-4038 Don Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:47:37 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-4038 Yeah, God gave his Son to pay for ALL the sins of the world. Now is the time for all sinners to find His mercy in Jesus Christ. The real mortal danger is rejecting this free gift of grace from God. Let the saved tell the world this good news, its the great commission for the saved and it is why we are still here. Sinners cannot stop being sinners before they are regenerated into the Body of Christ nor should we Christians expect them to. Yeah, God gave his Son to pay for ALL the sins of the world. Now is the time for all sinners to find His mercy in Jesus Christ. The real mortal danger is rejecting this free gift of grace from God. Let the saved tell the world this good news, its the great commission for the saved and it is why we are still here.

Sinners cannot stop being sinners before they are regenerated into the Body of Christ nor should we Christians expect them to.

]]> By: Brett Blatchley http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-4036 Brett Blatchley Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:19:48 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-4036 Daniel? With all do respect, you sound more like the person you are describing God to be: angry, vengful...pure emotions, etc.. That's not the God I know from reading the Bible; it's not the God whose Spirit is in my being (according to His promise in scripture). You are describing a caricature of God that sounds more like the typical human. The "god" who is pure-emotion as you describe, is also the one who designed all the sub-atomic particles and arranged everything that you can perceive AND holds it all together. Such a being is infinitely bigger than we are in a respects we can conceive. Scripture was written by God as He inspired his people. That is, one mind authored the Bible even though a number of people actual wrote the words. This God is a person, but not in a way that is less than us, rather our personalities in all their richness are as shadows to the One person in whose image we are created. Honestly Daniel, you sound like you know a lot *about* God, but you don't sound like you know Jesus personally. Jesus hates sin just as the Father and Spirit do, BUT God would much rather redeem fallen people than destroy them. I know that He would not want you to "take-out" people you believe to be sinning. (Also, I would point-out that the sin of homosexuality is no "worse" than that of divorce or stealing, or improperly-handled anger (such as you seem to be demonstrating in your post) - each of these things is sin and each brings death.) Justice has already been served: Jesus took the punishment and wrath of God due to each of us - we are responsible to accept this gift of forgiveness. God will give to each of His creation what they truly want: to those who really want Him, they will enjoy Him forever in Heaven; those who want nothing to do with God, will exist eternally separated from Him (and the rest of redeemed creation). Perhaps you *do* know Jesus personally, then I would humbly ask that you consider the way you look at others who need our prayers and pity rather than our condemnation. Homosexually may disgust you, but it's a tragic problem that goes far deeper into a person than simply who they want to copulate with - it's a profound issue of their identity as humans - that's why it's so hard to reach them with God's truth. Attitudes such as you have displayed in your post drive these people immeasurably further from God than their own sin does! We are to speak the truth in love, not in anger or hated; we are to hate the sin, but love the sinner - these things let the healing balm of the Gospel penetrate seared hearts. If you don't know Jesus personally, then much of what I just wrote won't resonate with you, but if you ask God with a sincerely-open mind to help you understand who and what He is from the scripture, then He will do this. He *wants* you to know Him personally and has expended all kinds of effort to make this possible. I was once skeptical about this very thing, but in order to remain intellectually honest, I had to humble myself to start reading the Bible and ask God (if He even existed) to make the scriptures alive and clear to me. Could it be possible that you are assuming what God is like without actually learning this for yourself by reading the Bible with an open mind and sincere desire to learn the truth and seek God. God will be found by anyone who really wants Him; He often hides himself from people who think they already have all the answers and who really don't want any part of Him. I know Jesus personally and I know He wants to know you that way too Daniel! Daniel?

With all do respect, you sound more like the person you are describing God to be: angry, vengful…pure emotions, etc..

That’s not the God I know from reading the Bible; it’s not the God whose Spirit is in my being (according to His promise in scripture).

You are describing a caricature of God that sounds more like the typical human.

The “god” who is pure-emotion as you describe, is also the one who designed all the sub-atomic particles and arranged everything that you can perceive AND holds it all together. Such a being is infinitely bigger than we are in a respects we can conceive.

Scripture was written by God as He inspired his people. That is, one mind authored the Bible even though a number of people actual wrote the words. This God is a person, but not in a way that is less than us, rather our personalities in all their richness are as shadows to the One person in whose image we are created.

Honestly Daniel, you sound like you know a lot *about* God, but you don’t sound like you know Jesus personally. Jesus hates sin just as the Father and Spirit do, BUT God would much rather redeem fallen people than destroy them. I know that He would not want you to “take-out” people you believe to be sinning. (Also, I would point-out that the sin of homosexuality is no “worse” than that of divorce or stealing, or improperly-handled anger (such as you seem to be demonstrating in your post) – each of these things is sin and each brings death.) Justice has already been served: Jesus took the punishment and wrath of God due to each of us – we are responsible to accept this gift of forgiveness. God will give to each of His creation what they truly want: to those who really want Him, they will enjoy Him forever in Heaven; those who want nothing to do with God, will exist eternally separated from Him (and the rest of redeemed creation).

Perhaps you *do* know Jesus personally, then I would humbly ask that you consider the way you look at others who need our prayers and pity rather than our condemnation. Homosexually may disgust you, but it’s a tragic problem that goes far deeper into a person than simply who they want to copulate with – it’s a profound issue of their identity as humans – that’s why it’s so hard to reach them with God’s truth. Attitudes such as you have displayed in your post drive these people immeasurably further from God than their own sin does! We are to speak the truth in love, not in anger or hated; we are to hate the sin, but love the sinner – these things let the healing balm of the Gospel penetrate seared hearts.

If you don’t know Jesus personally, then much of what I just wrote won’t resonate with you, but if you ask God with a sincerely-open mind to help you understand who and what He is from the scripture, then He will do this. He *wants* you to know Him personally and has expended all kinds of effort to make this possible. I was once skeptical about this very thing, but in order to remain intellectually honest, I had to humble myself to start reading the Bible and ask God (if He even existed) to make the scriptures alive and clear to me. Could it be possible that you are assuming what God is like without actually learning this for yourself by reading the Bible with an open mind and sincere desire to learn the truth and seek God. God will be found by anyone who really wants Him; He often hides himself from people who think they already have all the answers and who really don’t want any part of Him.

I know Jesus personally and I know He wants to know you that way too Daniel!

]]> By: Daniel Butierez http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-4025 Daniel Butierez Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:02:38 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-4025 I believe America is the new Sodom and Gomorrah. When I hear same sex people say " this is ok with God because God is pure love." I shake my head. I don't know where in the Bible they come up with this. I know it says he is an angry, vengeful, just, loving and forgiving God but not pure one or the other. What he is is pure emotions. Had the Apostles preached then like preachers do now they still be alive today. Lets make it real. If I walked into a room and found my two son having sex with each other, They'd be lucky to make it to the front door before I took them out of this world. Well God openned the door and beheld the entire City of Sodom. I'd say 90% of our country nolonger believes in God. Women have rights and authority over men. Devorce is legal and excepted. Because women have recieved so much power we've given them an absolute right to kill God's unborn children. People justify these things by saying we live in a different time and the Bible was written for that time. Hello what does that have to do with same sex and killing children. It's simple, most don't believe in the Father, and the others have been listening to preachers saying he's forgiveness and love. None of these preachers have the guts to speak the Truth, and tell their congrigations that most of them aren't going to make it through the gate. Those are the words of Jesus. The gate is narrow. This is why the Apostles are dead. noone wanted to hear it.. We don't fear God. If you don't fear the Gun how can you respect the Gun. I believe America is the new Sodom and Gomorrah. When I hear same sex people say ” this is ok with God because God is pure love.” I shake my head. I don’t know where in the Bible they come up with this. I know it says he is an angry, vengeful, just, loving and forgiving God but not pure one or the other. What he is is pure emotions. Had the Apostles preached then like preachers do now they still be alive today. Lets make it real. If I walked into a room and found my two son having sex with each other, They’d be lucky to make it to the front door before I took them out of this world. Well God openned the door and beheld the entire City of Sodom. I’d say 90% of our country nolonger believes in God. Women have rights and authority over men. Devorce is legal and excepted. Because women have recieved so much power we’ve given them an absolute right to kill God’s unborn children. People justify these things by saying we live in a different time and the Bible was written for that time. Hello what does that have to do with same sex and killing children. It’s simple, most don’t believe in the Father, and the others have been listening to preachers saying he’s forgiveness and love. None of these preachers have the guts to speak the Truth, and tell their congrigations that most of them aren’t going to make it through the gate. Those are the words of Jesus. The gate is narrow. This is why the Apostles are dead. noone wanted to hear it.. We don’t fear God. If you don’t fear the Gun how can you respect the Gun.

]]> By: john http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-3514 john Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:38:21 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-3514 I believe that no matter what the sin, over eating, drug / alchohal abuse, judging others, that the consequences on earth will be severe enough. God will forgive, people often won't even dream of it. I believe that no matter what the sin, over eating, drug / alchohal abuse, judging others, that the consequences on earth will be severe enough. God will forgive, people often won’t even dream of it.

]]> By: David Mehew http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-1532 David Mehew Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:30:52 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-1532 God is ultimately in control, but temporarily his believers have been placed "in control" in the sense that they have the authority of the name of Jesus. If they do not use it, then God is not "in control". It's just that simple. Oh, I forgot. This country is finished. I hope youve found a way to prepare yourself and others for some very disastrous times. Almost here. God is ultimately in control, but temporarily his believers have been placed “in control” in the sense that they have the authority of the name of Jesus. If they do not use it, then God is not “in control”. It’s just that simple.
Oh, I forgot. This country is finished. I hope youve found a way to prepare yourself and others for some very disastrous times. Almost here.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-1290 Don Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:07:30 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-1290 God is in control of the earth but some people are out of control and they should be warned of the consequences. If Christians continue to chill as they have been they will see persecution in this nation. Because God is in control and He will discipline His people. God is in control of the earth but some people are out of control and they should be warned of the consequences. If Christians continue to chill as they have been they will see persecution in this nation. Because God is in control and He will discipline His people.

]]> By: waldo http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-1288 waldo Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:25:16 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-1288 You all need to realize that God is in control. now chill. You all need to realize that God is in control. now chill.

]]> By: Irv http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-877 Irv Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:48:28 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-877 The time has come, the Walrus said, to speak of many things including "God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up" which is currently burning up the Google and Yahoo wires. It has a common motive but uses attention-getting reverse psychology wrapped in sincere love. And what's wrong with that? Irv The time has come, the Walrus said, to speak of many things including “God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up” which is currently burning up the Google and Yahoo wires. It has a common motive but uses attention-getting reverse psychology wrapped in sincere love. And what’s wrong with that? Irv

]]> By: Brett Blatchley http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-875 Brett Blatchley Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:48:19 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/22/america-will-become-like-sodom-and-gomorrah-if-christians-do-nothing.html#comment-875 "Father, please guard us from stepping-out and creating offense in our own strength. May it be that if we offend others, it will be because they take offense with You. Please strengthen us to do what is right in Your eyes and not the eyes of the world, or even ourselves. Help us to discern this difference and make our stand with You." We are the King's emissaries, let us act that way. “Father, please guard us from stepping-out and creating offense in our own strength. May it be that if we offend others, it will be because they take offense with You. Please strengthen us to do what is right in Your eyes and not the eyes of the world, or even ourselves. Help us to discern this difference and make our stand with You.”

We are the King’s emissaries, let us act that way.

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