Will the Antichrist and his Beast government come from Islam?
More and more I get emails asking me if I believe the Antichrist will be Islamic. Some give me a list of reasons why I am wrong in my articles to think that the Antichrist will come from Christianity or Judaism. They send me reasons from other Bible prophecy teachers why the idea that Bible prophecy teachers thought the Antichrist will come from the Roman Empire was wrong and why he will really come from Islam. Although I respect the Bible prophecy teachers that are now teaching this I do not believe that the Antichrist and his Beast government will come out of Islam. You may be interested in my full response.
I will start with a slightly modified excerpt from my article on Islam:
“How the “holy war” with Islam will bring in the Antichrist?
There are now large Islamic populations in most European countries and among these populations are those trained in terrorism. When the war between the West and Islam does occur it will be totally necessary to isolate Islamic peoples in Europe in concentration camps. In order for this round up to be successful these States will have to become police states. This police state will get out of control and ultimately bring about the Beast Antichrist government and system. Hitler’s reign was a foreshadow of how this could come about but instead of a national socialist movement there will be a world pseudo Christian dominionist socialist movement. When the satanically possessed European dictator comes on the scene he will somehow appease Islam and Islam will join into the one world religion movement. Later, the dictator is killed and becomes incarnated by Satan. At that time he will claim to be God. He will move the world government headquarters to Babylon and he will turn on and destroy the harlot world religion. He will be easily accepted by most Muslims as their concept of “God” because he has the exact same nature as their Allah. He will seek to kill all those who will not worship him as God.
Islam is setting the foundation for the Antichrist Beast world system. Islam now totally controls or has major influence over forty nations in the world. In most other nations Islam is a rising force. Islam controls the masses by force and when it has control it does not tolerate other religions or those who do not adhere to its dictates. Islam in reality worships the god of this world and his name is Satan. When the god of this world becomes incarnate in the man we call the Antichrist he will be recognized by those in Islam as Allah. I am not saying that the Antichrist is Islamic although that is possible. I tend to think the Antichrist figure when incarnated by Satan will claim to be Zeus and will have supernatural help from fallen angels. Nevertheless, subtly Satan has established a worldwide foundation for his monotheistic world religion with himself as God and this foundation is called Islam. I do not think the Antichrist will claim to be Allah. He will claim to be above anything called God. (2Th2:4)
My point is that the leaders of Islam will recognize him as their own concept of God and the followers of this counterfeit god will use the world network already in place in Islam to rapidly bring in the forced world religion and the political system of the Antichrist. We get a strong signal from the book of Revelation about the power base of the Antichrist because like the Islamic fascist’s of today they also behead their enemies.”
So, it is not that Islam will be the Antichrist government. Those who have been indoctrinated by Islam will recognize Satan as the God they worship that they call Allah. I still think that radical Islam will force world religious wars that will bring in the Western Antichrist figure out of the area of the Roman Empire. I still believe that harlot Christianity will be the head religion that rides on the back of the Beast of Revelation chapter 17. I see no other option to fulfill that prophecy. At the mid-point of the seven years the Beast claims to be greater then anything called God and all people that do not love the truth will buy into the lie through his deception.
Nevertheless, Islam is setting the foundation for that intolerant would religion all over the world. I think an ecumenical movement will follow the religious wars where all names of God in all Religion will simply mean the Creator. Then one will arise claiming to be the Creator but he will have the attributes of Satan and the world will follow him believing that He is the Creator.
Having said all that, I fully understand why Christians would think that the Antichrist will come from Islam. It is antichrist. But when pseudo and dominionist Christianity fight the person labeled by the West, “the Islamic Antichrist” it will set the stage for someone in the West who will defeat radical Islam all over the world. This Western leader will be the actual Antichrist but he will be labeled a hero and the Messiah. The pseudo Christians and Jews will receive Him as a Messiah figure so you can understand why everyone even the elect will be deceived if that were possible. Like Jesus said to the Jews, “one will come in his own name and him you receive”. The Jews would never receive someone out of Islam as their Messiah. They will accept someone who will counterfeit their Messiah and lead them to destruction. Meanwhile, dominionist pseudo Christians will expect Jesus to come after the defeat of the person that they had labeled the Antichrist. However, those wars will only be false birth pains with a false tribulation created by man’s wars. Antichrist will try to counterfeit the role of the second coming through a satanic false tribulation that can be identified with the four riders in the Seal Judgments of Revelation. I do not think the 70th week of Daniel actually starts until the sealing of the 144,000 Jews at the sixth seal but you have to also realize that I believe there are 10 1/2 years from the rapture until the second coming. I believe when pseudo Christianity is expecting some type of Christ they will get the Antichrist.
I am almost sure aliens (demons) will somehow be involved in that deception as well as Marian apparitions. The pseudo Christian world and Israel will get a Christ like that they want. He will lead them to take over the world and set up a world kingdom called by God, “Babylon the Great” but after Antichrist sets up his counterfeit kingdom of god he will turn on those who will not worship him with a vengeance. So in my opinion those teaching that Islam is the government of the Antichrist could be setting people up to be deceived through the future holy wars and by the real Antichrist. In my opinion, they are not seeing the whole picture. They have substituted something that today seems obvious on the face of it. It makes sense from today’s point of view to say Islam will be the government of Antichrist but if all scripture is taken into account it really does not fit. It is all too simplistic, just like those who thought Hitler’s Fascism or Communism were the demonic movements that would bring in the Antichrist.
Also understand that Islam is a bastardization of the scriptures. It really does not mater if Muhammad distorted Bible prophecy, or if his followers did, or if it came from Satan. The point is that Islam is a counterfeit of the real. We should not take lying prophecies of the counterfeits and expect to find truth in them just because their lying prophecies seem to fit Bible Prophecy of an Antichrist.
The Bible implies that the Antichrist is Assyrian. I have been saying that I think he will be a Catholic with Jewish blood who will be brought up in a Middle-East country. Thus, he will appeal to all three religions and fulfill their expectations. Think of an Obama type person with a Jewish mother and a Arab father who claims to be a Christian. Of course that is just meant as a suggestion it may turn out quite different.
All religions are moving toward pluralism and universalism. Once radical Islam is defeated people may be free to believe what they want in private but in public there will be no proselytizing allowed and all exclusive clams to God will be outlawed as hate speech in the name of world peace and security. Wait until after the war against Iran, Syria and all radical Islam and you may see the picture more clearly.
Why should we look for a revival of Catholicism? Because it will provide the answers the world is looking for. The supernatural manifestations claiming to be Mary will be a deception used by Satan in the last day. Read the works of Roger Oakland on this topic. Catholics worship Mary, Muslims have more regard for Mary then they do Jesus and many have statues of Mary and follow the Marian manifestations. Even Eastern religions have high regard for Mary idols. So imagine a scenario where during a bloody religious war a so called divine intervention comes from this “Queen of Heaven” demon (there is nothing new under the sun). The world is then set up for a one world religion. It also is no accident that the Emergent and Emerging Church movement is moving back toward Catholicism, and mysticism as are some mainline churches and Word-Faith New Wave Pentecostals.
I admit that if you just look at the situation today it would look like the Antichrist comes out of Islam but there are always backlashes and counter revolutions. Thirty years ago everyone though Communism would be the catalyst. Today they think it will be Islam. Islam will be the catalyst but it will be the catalyst to bring in the Antichrist out of a Roman Empire that will proceed to unite all religion back under the Pope. Also keep in mind the leader of the Roman Church at the time of the Antichrist is after the true Christians are removed. So the remains of the Catholics will not contain true Christians. In addition, take note that the Vatican is the only religion on earth that has embassies in almost every nation and has a seat at the U.N. and they are mentioned in written U.N. plans to establish a world religion.
When pluralism and universalism is the world religion Jesus will not be regarded at God. That will be outlawed. How anyone can think that the Western world that is now rapidly moving toward religious pluralism, universalism and amorality is going to accept the exclusiveness and the laws of Islam is beyond me? That is not at all realistic and there is no way that Islam can militarily conquer the West.
When Satan is actually booted out of the Heavens with his angels and he claims to be God on earth and he has his fallen angelic army to help him enforce his decrees then he will use those in Islam and all repressive religions to further his agenda. That is the parallel. It is not that the Antichrist is Islamic it is that Islam and all religion outside of true Christianity is antichrist and all of those religions will help bring him in power.
The only biblical reference to the decent of the Antichrist is that he is an Assyrian. He appears to move his throne to Babylon only after he actually becomes incarnated by Satan. The woman that sits in the midst of the ephah in Zec chap 5 seems to be the same woman that John talked about as sitting on seven hills ruling over the world at the time of his writing. This woman was in Rome but this woman called wickedness is carried to Babylon for the last 3 1/2 years.
Having said that, go ahead and believe what you want. It is not going to change the future one iota and I am not going to be convinced by anyone that the Antichrist or the Beast government will be Islamic.
If you want more background information on the identity of Mystery Babylon you will find it in Chapter 17 of my Revelation Commentary.
Date posted: Thursday, July 24th, 2008 6:18 am | Under category: Babylon, Beast/Antichrist, Global government/Beast government, Islam, Islamofascism, Roman Empire, Tribulation period, false Christs
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The extremists in all religions, be it Chritian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and all others have found their financial and social importance comes from manufacturing demons, that aren’t there. The conflict is between 1/10th of 1% of Muslims, Christians and Jews and not the other 99.9% of Muslims, Christians and Jews or Hindus.
I am amused at this article, are there people who believe in these concoted stories of manufacturing demons? Sell them as fiction to arouse hate and collect fame and cash.
The following statement is written with the intent of promoting hatred and that is not what religion is about, any religion. “He will be easily accepted by most Muslims as their concept of “God” because he has the exact same nature as their Allah. He will seek to kill all those who will not worship him as God.”
Mike Ghouse
http://wisdomofreligion.org
http://www.foundationforpluralism.com
http://worldmuslimcongress.org
The only ones collecting fame and cash are spammers like you that like to laugh at decent folks in the name of peace, love and unity while making big money on superficial universalistic pep talk that deliberality chooses to ignore reality and the hard facts about such topics as Islam and doesn’t offer people any true message of salvation and forgiveness.
Sorry Mike, for the delay you were in a spam filter probably because of your links at the end of your comment.
You are wrong about the conflict being among one tenth of one percent. I do not know where you get your poll numbers from but it certainly is is not from the Earth.
Yeah, there are actually people who believe there will be demons posing as aliens or as those from another dimension. This is even part of Eastern and New Age teachings. Ever hear of ascended masters?
Half of Catholicism and large segments of other religions believe in these Marian manifestations and messages. Half of the world beliefs in all kinds of spirit beings. Tell them these beings are not real. I do not have to wonder who these spirits are. Any spirit that does not confess that Jesus has come in the flesh and rose from the dead and is now Lord of all, is satanic.
It is only most of the secular West that does not believe in evil spiritual beings. But the West acts as if man is God or he believes there is no personal God at all. Well that sounds rather foolish to me and that is what God said about the issue (ps 14:1 ps 53:1.)
I see you like to throw the word hate around. You think that those who do not believe like you are full of hate. To you Christian Bible prophecy is hate because it tells that man is evil and unless he receives the Savior he has an appointment with judgment. So now any Christians who loves people enough to tell them the truth so they will get saved hate. Sure, and light is also darkness.
Religion is all about man becoming like God or to become equal with God. That is impossible. Christianity on the other hand is all about God becoming a man to save us from our own evil nature so we can have a relationship with Him. So your talking apples and oranges.
Actually the following statement was not written with the intent of promoting hatred.
“He will be easily accepted by most Muslims as their concept of “God” because he has the exact same nature as their Allah. He will seek to kill all those who will not worship him as God.”
The above statement was actually written to explain to Christian bible prophecy students that now believe the Antichrist will be Islamic why Muslims and all man-made religions will accept the Antichrist figure as God. That this figure will seek to kill all those who will not worship him as God is taken right out of scripture (Rev 13:15).
The links you posted peg you for what you believe so everyone ought to consider the source. In case you did not know it, this is a Christian Bible prophecy Blog that gets into Christian eschatology issues. We do not expect unbelievers to be able to discern what we are talking about.
It is equal to me going on the sites you posted and telling them that salvation is through Jesus alone and those who do not come trhough Him will go to Hell. I am sure I would be well received there.
I’m always amused at the open display of hypocrisy by those who go to other people’s blog to accuse them of hate. Don’t they see what they’re doing? They display hate in going from “house to house” to accuse and judge. They hate our right of free speech! Why don’t they show by example how we’re supposed to act— as if non-Christians even know what that is?
Anyway, Don, lots of good points.
Hi Paula,
Mike is on an anti fundamentalist postmodern ‘can;t we all get along” pluralist religious crusade. I suspect he does the same thing on many sites and that is why his comments always get caught in my spam filter. He knows nothing of Bible prophecy. I imagine he agrees with Tolle.
Getting on the thread topic. I hope not too many people are not mislead into thinking that the enemy of the West is a Beast out of Islam and if we resolve that problem they can be looking for a Messiah and a Kingdom. That type of narrow thinking will lead to the dominionism of the real Beast Kingdom and Antichrist. The enemy of Christianity is all who reject the truths about Jesus Christ and many of those people call themselves Christians.
Anyone is welcomed to view your material but Mecca is not the Woman that rides the Beast. the Woman represents all counterfeit religion since Babylon and that includes many who identify with Christianity. The world will adopt religious pluralism and anti fundamentalism to try to stop the religious wars that are coming. That Universal religious harlot will be the Woman on the Beast although she will become a very prominent queen and force in the last days. Remember that the blood of ALL the saints were found in her. That means that she has to be past present and future.
Also people who comment might read the arguments and comment on the post arguments instead of just sending links to the theories of someone else and not even addressing the arguments that I took a lot of time to explain.
When Jonathan comes on this blog weeks apart and makes a comment with the exact same words with a link to the same bazaar Mecca theory website that promotes that Mecca is the woman who rides the Beast and both comments also say that this is not spam. IT IS SPAM!
Both comments have been deleted and if I see it again Jonathan ought to realize that he will be blocked from making comments on this Blog as a spammer. I do allow links to other websites in comments when they are appropriate but I do not allow troll spammers.
this is what the woman represents:
Revelation 17:18
And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
You said: “the Woman represents all counterfeit religion since Babylon and that includes many who identify with Christianity”
Sorry, but those are two entirely DIFFERENT renderings. And you are wrong. Do not think that you can explain an explaination of the woman, that was already explained sir. Because the symbol was already explained, the woman being the symbol, and the explanation of the woman was revealed, and not to be explained as something else or by someone else.
When will all of you learn that the symbols presented in Revelation, are presented in such a way so you do not forget them? The symbols were ALREADY given an explanation for and the symbol stays the same so you can drill yourself and not forget, yet people still try to explain something that is already explained to them. Like in Daniel, visions troubled him to the point that he needed a messenger obviously to explain these things to him. And of course Elohim Himself gave explaination to Daniel of the dream the king had Daniel interpret, without knowing the dream first.
the woman is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.
period.
it is quite evident sir, that you did not read the research or its cover page; i can tell this by your comments.
And a question i have for you sir:
How did our Lord come?
You know Jonathan your very arrogant tone is extremely annoying and frankly I am tired of those like you who think they know everything when they obviously know nothing.
You tell me what one verse in revelation chapter 17 said as if I have never read it, GET REAL! Yet, you obviously have never understood what the whole chapter is even about.
The Harlot woman on the Beast has to be explained in the entire context of Revelation chapter 17 and biblical history. It is about Mystery Babylon and not just about the city ruling over the earth at the time of John). Read the chapter in context and do not ignore the whole message in chapter 17. No city on earth can completely fulfill what is said in that chapter so obviously it is you that is missing the message.
You say I did not research this but I did enough research and study to fully explain Mystery Babylon in my book. Read it.
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/The%20book%20of%20Revelation/Revelation%20Chapter%2017.htm
I am not going to rehash everything here or I world have to quote the whole chapter and frankly I do not know what your point is in relation to this post.
Inform us of the profound research that you have published on Chapter 17 of Revelation that proves your simple assumption that the Harlot woman, the Woman on the Beast, Mystery Babylon (they are the same) can be limited to a physical city in the past or future?
I have a answer for your last question as well, sir. You might learn to communicate! I do not like playing guessing games. If your implying that Jesus has already come physically as foretold by the prophets you are delusional. If you are implying that Jesus is the Holy Spirit you are a heretic. I think that answers your question.
Well, you need to understand, most kingdoms, that have kings, are Islamic nations.
Do not say that you have taken what you have read in Rev 17 to heart sir, because the way you have described the woman is in no way described as a city. Unfortunately you read it, but came to your conclusion.
And for this city to have written on her forehead “Mystery Babylon”, yet Mecca is the Islamic Capital of the world, which includes Iraq, and not only that, Mecca beholds the Kaaba - the basket that was carried to the land of Shinar, translated; Babylonia. Was italy ever part of Babylonia sir?
You still have not read this research graciously put in my lap by the King, and all you have to do is click my name on this post and your there.
Also note that Jidda, Mecca’s port, is the wealthiest city in the Middle East and western asia. And that says a lot. I don’t know if you have ever taken a gander at the United Arab Emirates in that they make Bill Gates look like a used car salesman, but then to look back and see that Mecca’s port is the wealthiest city in the area says a lot (which is not part of the UAE). And they do trade in the areas as described in Rev 17.
Have you even researched the history of the Kaaba? No one even knows how far back it goes.
Have you researched the kings of Saudi Arabia? Five have fallen, one is.
Did you know one of those kings were assasinated and shot in the head? Fatal wound.
Did you know that while the woman rides the scarlet beast, some are going to wonder when they see the beast that he was and will come?
If the ten horns are ten kings who have received no kingdom yet, and we see in Revelation 13 that those ten horns have crowns on them, then it is evident whoever those kings that have received no kingdom yet, have recieved them.
The angel said that the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings;
So it is evident that the Lamb overcomes by the seven bowls of the wrath of God, and by the brightness of His return.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
And from the above verses, please show me by the scriptures, how you know He came in the flesh.
It is one thing to believe it, and another to know.
If the Bible commands to test the spirits, than you ought to know when someone tests you; for we are all one in Christ, not one above another in Christ.
Arrogant tone?
2 Timothy 4:1-4
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at* His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
Forgive me, if i seemed arrogant, i believe i was only exhorting.
Also note when i said:
“If the ten horns are ten kings who have received no kingdom yet, and we see in Revelation 13 that those ten horns have crowns on them, then it is evident whoever those kings that have received no kingdom yet, have recieved them.”
Have received them in the sense of the vision, i am not talking about today.
And when i said:
And for this city to have written on her forehead “Mystery Babylon”, yet Mecca is the Islamic Capital of the world, which includes Iraq, and not only that, Mecca beholds the Kaaba - the basket that was carried to the land of Shinar, translated; Babylonia. Was italy ever part of Babylonia sir?
i am talking about what was spoken by Zechariah. Zechariah 5.
Jonathan I do not mind you replying to my comment but four comments in a roll might be considered spamming by me.
If you want to believe Mecca is Mystery Babylon that is up to you, your not going to convince me. Those who are teaching that Islam is the Beast are wrong and the Western war that is inevitable against true believers of Islam are in my opinion setting up the world for the real Beast and the real Antichrist and that is why I posted this post.
Did you even read my commentary on Revelation chapter 17? I suppose not, because you already have divine research in your lap! Have you ever considered that there is a difference between Mystery Babylon of Chapter 17 and Babylon the Great of chapter 18? You might also read my commentary on chapter 18 as well and find out why that is.
Who says the Kabba was carried to Mecca? Your own argument refutes your premise. Why do you say it was carried from Rome if you say Italy was never part of Babylonia?
The fact is that the seat of Mystery Babylon was transferred to Rome through the Babylonian priesthood that moved to Pergamos where according to Revelation Satan throne was located at the time of John. The priesthood later moved to Rome and those practices eventually become incorporated in the Roman Empire and later Roman Catholicism. Those are historical facts. If you need these facts they are documented in books such as “A Woman rides the Beast”, by Dave Hunt. Mystery Babylon also includes Islam but it is not limited to Islam, Islam is a offshoot, so you are not entirely wrong but It will eventually be transferred back to where it began in Babylon but that is only after the Beast Antichrist defiles the Jewish Temple. So we are not there yet. Mystery Babylon is all religious harlotry from Babylon past to Babylon future worshiping a false God. Just as Babylon in God’s eyes is all world kingdoms under the control of Satan from Babylon past to Babylon the Great under Satan. I give the path of Mystery Babylon at the end of my comment. It comes from my book.
I teach that Babylon the great will be set up from Babylon Iraq but this is post Islam. The Antichrist will say he is above anything called God not just Allah.
There is plenty of reason to hate the demonic religion of Islam but be careful. The war against this evil is designed to bring a greater evil and when the world thinks it won the battle and rejoices its troubles have only started.
I believe the truth of the mater is that you put together this Mecca is Babylon theory without any biblical support whatsoever and now you are posting comments on my blogs to draw attention to yourself.
Why would I read research that was not graciously put into your lap by my Lord? You should know that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Yet, you claim the Lord gave you things not taught in the scriptures.
Here is the way I see the history of Mystery Babylon. This is taken from my commentary on Rev chapter 17. It is in bullet format there so it is best viewed there but here is what is says:
“The tale of two nations or two women. The struggle between the woman from the flesh (harlot woman) and the woman from the promise (those who believe and trust God) can be followed in the following timeline (This is only a sample to help you understand and it is not meant to be all conclusive):
· The Babylonian rebellion against God by Nimrod - the mystery religion and the Babylonian priesthood is founded at Babylon.
· Abraham is taken out to be the father of all who live by faith in the true Creator. He believes God’s promise.
· Ishmael is born of the flesh from Abraham’s slave girl - Ishmael mingles with the pagans of Babylon.
· Isaac is born of the promise and follows the God of his father (Abraham).
· Esau is the first son of Isaac but Esau puts no value on the promise of his birthright and sells it to Jacob for a meal.
· Jacob becomes Israel and becomes a nation that is to keep the oracles and promise of God for the benefit of all the people of the promise.
· Israel’s son Joseph speaks of the vision God gave him for the people of promise.
· Joseph is sold into slavery to Egypt by jealous half brothers.
· Joseph becomes prime minister of Egypt with the help of God and saves the descendents of Israel from physical starvation.
· The Egyptian world government forgets Joseph, becomes totally corrupted by Babylonian pagan practices, and enslaves and persecutes the descendents of Israel.
· God raises up Moses to deliver Israel from Egypt and the Law is given to Israel to lead them to the promised Savior.
· Judaism becomes corrupted by harlotry with pagan gods.
· The world empire of Babylon enslaves Israel.
· The Mystical Brotherhood of the Babylonian order moves its headship to Pergamos after the fall of Babylon.
· Some of the Jews return to Israel and rebuild God’s temple.
· The Babylonian priesthood is moved to Rome by the last will of Attalus king of Pergamos.
· Julius Caesar becomes supreme Pontiff (high priest) of the Babylonian Order in BC 63.
· John the Baptist is born to restore Israel so they are ready to receive their promise.
· Jesus “is the promise” and comes to save all mankind.
· The Babylonian influenced Jewish priesthood and the Roman world system kill Jesus. The priests rejected the promise for adultery with Rome.
· Jesus rises from the dead and the promise is given to all who by faith trust in this risen Savior.
· There is a secession of Pontiffs from Julius Caesar to the year when the Babylonian Order becomes the ruler of the Roman Church in 378 AD (a very long story).
· The wheat grows in the same field (the institutional church) as the harlot tares and grows up with them.
· Islam is born and it teaches the sons of Ishmael and Esau to worship a single pagan God that persecutes those born of the promise.
· The tares in the institutional church choke to death many of the people of the promise in the inquisitions.
· The Protestant reformation is born by those who teach that salvation comes from trusting in the promise of Jesus alone.
· Most of Protestantism plays the harlot with philosophy, psychology, new age paganism, humanism, pragmatism and materialism.
· The people of the promise are now the wheat among the tares in the Catholic and Protestant Churches.
· The printed Bible becomes available to the public. Smaller fields grow so much wheat the tares find little room to root.
· Higher critical thinking philosophies war against those who believe the promise in God’s word.
· The people of the promise are removed in the rapture and all the wheat not entangled with the tares (harlot) is removed from the earth.
· All religions of the world unite after a great world religious war to form a world religion led by the Vatican at Rome. This woman will ride the Beast into her end time role.
· The Beast devours the woman that rode on his back (world religious institutions and leaders). The tares are burned.
· Satan through the lying wonders of His Beast and False Prophet sets himself up as God, declares the Kingdom of God has come, and he moves the political and religious capitol of the world to Babylon where he builds a city of gold for himself.
· The wheat bound with paganism is threshed during the great tribulation the Beast brings on the earth.
· All people of the promise that were in adultery return to her husband - the true God of heaven - and are gathered into His barn.
· God avenges all the people of promise by destroying the Beast and by setting up the real kingdom of God on the earth ruled by Jesus.
The woman who rides the Beast has actually existed since the days of Babylon but she will play her major role in the last days. She in the end will be eaten by the Beast she rides because he will claim to be God and will not tolerate the worship of anyone or anything other that himself. Many who were in harlotry will come to understand the truth in those days through the teaching and the judgments that take place in this time of trial for the whole world. These who come out of Babylon will not worship the Beast and these along with a remnant in Israel will return to the true God of heaven but it will cost many of them their mortal lives. In those days all who seek to save their lives by worshiping the Beast will lose their soul and those who lose their life for Jesus’ sake will gain eternal life.”
i never said the Kaaba was carried from Rome; huh? i understand though why you might say this.. and that’s fine.
and i am pretty sure, if the kingdom theory is intact, the angel told John, “the beast that you saw was, and is not.”
and is not.
So we know “one is” during his time, and if that is Rome, and the beast he saw, was and is not, then we can conclude that it is not Rome. And when the angel said “and is not” , also said the beast is one of the seven. otherwise the angel would have said, “the beast that you saw “is” ” Or five have fallen, and the beast that you saw “is”, but that doesn’t make sense, because the beast he saw was, and is not.
I see true to form you do not answer my points or questions but you think I should be answering yours.
If you do not think the Kaaba came from Rome where did it come from?
What kingdom theory are you referring to?
The was and is not passage is difficult but you have to read the whole context of the passage. The Beast the angel was talking about was the eight king and that is explained if you read down to verse 11
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
You also have to take into account Daniel’s vision there were only four kingdoms from Daniel’s vision and they are of historical record with the last kingdom being the Roman Empire.
17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Ok, i see the points made here, and what i am trying to say, is that i am not going to discount other theories. i am not saying that others are wrong and i know it all. all i was doing was merely presenting what i have researched, and that is all. if a beast has seven heads, and it is concluded that the beast is a kingdom, then why is there not a view that this one kingdom will have seven kings and one of these seven kings is the beast, or THE anti-Christ, and will be an eighth king. From studying, it appears that the scarlet beast is the one that comes out of the sea, or, where else do you find an abyss? The scarlet beast did not have crowns on the horns, which makes sense because they are kings that have not yet received a kingdom, but the beast that comes out of the sea, or ascends the abyss or bottomless pit, in Rev 13 has crowns on the ten horns, signifying whoever those kings are that recieved no kingdom yet, received them, the crowns being evidence.
the scarlet beast that was, and is not, from Revelation 17 seems to be the head that recieves the fatal wound, and is healed and comes to life in Revelation 13.
the angel said the Lamb will overcome the beast and his horns who make war with the Lamb, and it is obvious the Lamb overcomes them with the seven bowls of wrath, and His return to capture the beast and the false prophet, and cast them alive in the lake of fire. And on top of this, God puts the purpose into the hearts of the ten horns to give the kingdom to the beast so His words are fulfilled; so they destroy and burn the harlot with fire.
are we following here?
if you want me to go over your research, i would be more than happy to do so, but it looks like that might take time.
Oh, and by the way, i don’t ascibe to any kingdom theory, though i know the beast is a king, which concludes he has a kingdom, but that is as far as i go into the “kingdom(s) theorie(s)” possibilities.
and PLEASE forgive me if i assumed you ascribed to any kingdom theory, and if i did, i am sorry, because it seems everyone does, and i don’t know why; because if there is one beast, that is one kingdom, i don’t see how the beasts HEADS could be seven other kingdoms. rather i see seven kings in one kingdom, and the beast is one of the seven, and the beast is a king, and this beast has a kingdom; there is no kingdom without a king.
Seems to me that you are mixing a lot of apples with oranges here. I am not following you and I cannot spend all day trying to figure what you are saying out. Your also getting off topic of this post.
Your certainly welcomed to read my commentary maybe it will put some apples in the apple crate and oranges in the orange crate.
Ok, i will do that…
I guess i was plainly trying to say that the scarlet beast, and the beast that rises out of the sea are the same…
i mean, how many visions did daniel have that an angel did not come later and interpret?
They are the same. The one that rises out of the Land only has two horns.
ok, well this is good ground, so i will also say that i have looked for the fulfillments in Revelation, and researched and been critical of every area, but it all seemed to fall of the bone, like a well cooked roast into my mouth, and so i made a blog about this and i am quite amazed at how every area i have looked for fulfillment, i have found it…