<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Will the Antichrist and his Beast government come from Islam?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html</link>
	<description>Trends in the world and the Church in these last days</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2</generator>
	<xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" />
	<item>
		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html#comment-1215</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/?p=1048#comment-1215</guid>
		<description>Hi Mahbar,

I understand what you believe and why you say what you do. I really was not talking about Islam of today worshiping a man. I am talking about the watered down pluralist version that will come to all after the next great war. I believe all religions will compromise some of their exclusive beliefs for the sake of world peace.

The Antichrist is not going to be a human being in the sense you may think. He will be supernatural and scriptures say ALL will worship him whose names are not written in the Lamb's (Jesus) Book of Life. All means All.

Actually I do think the Antichrist will come out of a pseudo Christianity. I was merely saying that when he becomes supernatural and moves to Babylon those that now call themselves Muslims will also accept Him as there concept of God because he will have the attributes of your God but all other religious will accept Him as God as well. I do not think he will call Himself Allah or even Christ. More likely he will claim to be Zeus. Zeus was said to be the God of Gods and the savior God and the ruins of the throne to Zeus is still found in Pergamos Turkey

&lt;em&gt;3.  Pergamos: The church that committed adultery with the world system

*Background: Pergamos was the great religious center of the area. Zeus was said to have been born there. The great altar of Zeus stood on a foundation 115 feet above the ground level. Aesculapius (the god of health) and Zeus the (savior god) were actively worshiped. The pagan practices that took place there can be traced back to the time of Nimrod who founded the Babylonian religion. This ancient religion included the worship of his widow Semiramis and her son, also known as Ashtoreth and Tammuz of Phoenicia, Isis and Horus of Egypt, Aphrodite and Eros of Greece and Venus and Cupid of Rome. (Hislop).

Pergamos became the center of the official religion of emperor worship. A temple for this was erected at Pergamos in 27 BC, when Cyrus conquered Babylon and founded a new center at Pergamos and the king of Pergamos became Pontifex Maximus, (high priest) of that pagan system. (Pember). Both Hislop and Pember trace the subsequent transfer of the cult from Pergamos to Rome, with the appointment of successive Caesars as high priest and ultimately, to that office in 378 AD of Damasus, the Bishop of Rome, with the complete and permanent absorption of "Babylonianism" into the Roman Church.

In 312 AD, Constantine claimed a vision from God and declared his conversion to Christianity. He assumed headship of the Church, repealed the persecution edicts of Diocletian and advanced Christians to high office in the state.

It was only a small step to convert the worship of the queen of heaven (Semiramis and her son) to the worship of Mary and an infant Jesus.

*(Most of this information on the background of Pergamos was taken (but modified by me) from Chuck Missler's supplemental notes on The Book of Revelation, pages 29 - 32, Koinonia House inc., 1995. Missler used information from Hislop and Pember.  Missler has more to say about the background of Pergamos than what I have here.) 
&lt;/em&gt;
I have recently heard that the great altar of Zeus is now undergoing restoration.
.
You need to understand that people who are now in all religions will worship the Beast Antichrist but he will set his headquarters up in Babylon. Where all false religious systems started it will also end when he claims to fulfill all religion. Only Jesus Christ will have the power to destroy him at his coming.

You have a misconception of the Christian God. Jesus is the only visible image of the invisible God. He came as a man for several reasons. Man was made in God's image so naturally man has the features of the only visible image of God. The only visible God then came as a man to save us from our sins and died and rose again and still looks like a glorified man. He looks as he looked in the beginning when He created everything with the Father except now He also bears the scars of the cross as a reminder to us for eternity of what God did for us to save us from our sins that would have separated us from God for eternity. It is not like God had offspring. the Son of God always was the only visible Image of God and all things were made by Him. I think people get hung up on the word "son" as if Jesus was some kind of offspring when actually it is not like that at all. Think of Jesus this way and you will be much closer to the truth. Jesus is the only visible Image of a invisible God. He is called the Son because in every way he reflects the Father who cannot be seen by man. Jesus was also the God of the Old Testament although He was called "YHWH"  He did not just begin when He came into the world as a human and death also could not hold Him. He arose to start a new creation and all who believe in God's righteous to save will enter in. That is meaning of the name "Jesus" anyway - "YHWH is salvation".

Again to answer your question ALL on earth will worship the Beast Antichrist who are not written in the Lamb's book of life. Jesus is God's Lamb. True Christians will not be on earth when the Antichrist figure is revealed. God will take them alive like He took Enoch before the Flood. However, there will be plenty of pseudo Christians left behind that will worship this Antichrist but so will most of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mahbar,</p>
<p>I understand what you believe and why you say what you do. I really was not talking about Islam of today worshiping a man. I am talking about the watered down pluralist version that will come to all after the next great war. I believe all religions will compromise some of their exclusive beliefs for the sake of world peace.</p>
<p>The Antichrist is not going to be a human being in the sense you may think. He will be supernatural and scriptures say ALL will worship him whose names are not written in the Lamb&#8217;s (Jesus) Book of Life. All means All.</p>
<p>Actually I do think the Antichrist will come out of a pseudo Christianity. I was merely saying that when he becomes supernatural and moves to Babylon those that now call themselves Muslims will also accept Him as there concept of God because he will have the attributes of your God but all other religious will accept Him as God as well. I do not think he will call Himself Allah or even Christ. More likely he will claim to be Zeus. Zeus was said to be the God of Gods and the savior God and the ruins of the throne to Zeus is still found in Pergamos Turkey</p>
<p><em>3.  Pergamos: The church that committed adultery with the world system</p>
<p>*Background: Pergamos was the great religious center of the area. Zeus was said to have been born there. The great altar of Zeus stood on a foundation 115 feet above the ground level. Aesculapius (the god of health) and Zeus the (savior god) were actively worshiped. The pagan practices that took place there can be traced back to the time of Nimrod who founded the Babylonian religion. This ancient religion included the worship of his widow Semiramis and her son, also known as Ashtoreth and Tammuz of Phoenicia, Isis and Horus of Egypt, Aphrodite and Eros of Greece and Venus and Cupid of Rome. (Hislop).</p>
<p>Pergamos became the center of the official religion of emperor worship. A temple for this was erected at Pergamos in 27 BC, when Cyrus conquered Babylon and founded a new center at Pergamos and the king of Pergamos became Pontifex Maximus, (high priest) of that pagan system. (Pember). Both Hislop and Pember trace the subsequent transfer of the cult from Pergamos to Rome, with the appointment of successive Caesars as high priest and ultimately, to that office in 378 AD of Damasus, the Bishop of Rome, with the complete and permanent absorption of &#8220;Babylonianism&#8221; into the Roman Church.</p>
<p>In 312 AD, Constantine claimed a vision from God and declared his conversion to Christianity. He assumed headship of the Church, repealed the persecution edicts of Diocletian and advanced Christians to high office in the state.</p>
<p>It was only a small step to convert the worship of the queen of heaven (Semiramis and her son) to the worship of Mary and an infant Jesus.</p>
<p>*(Most of this information on the background of Pergamos was taken (but modified by me) from Chuck Missler&#8217;s supplemental notes on The Book of Revelation, pages 29 - 32, Koinonia House inc., 1995. Missler used information from Hislop and Pember.  Missler has more to say about the background of Pergamos than what I have here.)<br />
</em><br />
I have recently heard that the great altar of Zeus is now undergoing restoration.<br />
.<br />
You need to understand that people who are now in all religions will worship the Beast Antichrist but he will set his headquarters up in Babylon. Where all false religious systems started it will also end when he claims to fulfill all religion. Only Jesus Christ will have the power to destroy him at his coming.</p>
<p>You have a misconception of the Christian God. Jesus is the only visible image of the invisible God. He came as a man for several reasons. Man was made in God&#8217;s image so naturally man has the features of the only visible image of God. The only visible God then came as a man to save us from our sins and died and rose again and still looks like a glorified man. He looks as he looked in the beginning when He created everything with the Father except now He also bears the scars of the cross as a reminder to us for eternity of what God did for us to save us from our sins that would have separated us from God for eternity. It is not like God had offspring. the Son of God always was the only visible Image of God and all things were made by Him. I think people get hung up on the word &#8220;son&#8221; as if Jesus was some kind of offspring when actually it is not like that at all. Think of Jesus this way and you will be much closer to the truth. Jesus is the only visible Image of a invisible God. He is called the Son because in every way he reflects the Father who cannot be seen by man. Jesus was also the God of the Old Testament although He was called &#8220;YHWH&#8221;  He did not just begin when He came into the world as a human and death also could not hold Him. He arose to start a new creation and all who believe in God&#8217;s righteous to save will enter in. That is meaning of the name &#8220;Jesus&#8221; anyway - &#8220;YHWH is salvation&#8221;.</p>
<p>Again to answer your question ALL on earth will worship the Beast Antichrist who are not written in the Lamb&#8217;s book of life. Jesus is God&#8217;s Lamb. True Christians will not be on earth when the Antichrist figure is revealed. God will take them alive like He took Enoch before the Flood. However, there will be plenty of pseudo Christians left behind that will worship this Antichrist but so will most of the world.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mahbar</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html#comment-1214</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/?p=1048#comment-1214</guid>
		<description>You said the ant-crist will come out off the moslem nations and that they will worship him because he have the characteristics of their God, ALLAH,.  Don't hate me for what i'm about to tell you, all i'm trying to do is educate you about our beleive, the moslem way,.  According to the Qur'an,  we don't worship a human being like jesus, we only beleive jesus as a massenger of God just like Mohamed,.  We beleive jesus was saved by God from his enemies back then, and will return at the end of times as God promised and that jesus will take care of the anti-crist.  


Secondly, according to the Qur'an, God is the Only God of all things that exist, He is the God of the known and the un-known, The ONe, and the Only One,.   God don't eat, don't sleep, don't get tire, He does not need a source of energy from anywhere like we humans do from food and sleep, and so on and on and on,.  We moslems believe God never had children, and never was he begotten by anything, and nothing is like him period, let me say it again, nothing is like him, according to the Qur'an.  


But christians like you preach your people that a human being like you, with stomach that needs to be fed, goes to toilet, gets tire, looks for food to eat, drinks , all that mention of human charactristics, could actualy be a God, logicaly, it is you people the most likely once who will worship a man that will come and ask humans to worship him, the anti-crist,


Lets say a man claiming to be jesus comes to superpower, well, a christian beleiver will probably stand up for him and start worshiping him, that is what their parents been teaching them since they were babies, the claim of, , God jesus, or juses God.  Well, prove me if i'm wrong,. the question is wouldn't a christian be the most likely one to follow a man who wants to be worshiped and prayed to as a God, the anti-christ,?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said the ant-crist will come out off the moslem nations and that they will worship him because he have the characteristics of their God, ALLAH,.  Don&#8217;t hate me for what i&#8217;m about to tell you, all i&#8217;m trying to do is educate you about our beleive, the moslem way,.  According to the Qur&#8217;an,  we don&#8217;t worship a human being like jesus, we only beleive jesus as a massenger of God just like Mohamed,.  We beleive jesus was saved by God from his enemies back then, and will return at the end of times as God promised and that jesus will take care of the anti-crist.  </p>
<p>Secondly, according to the Qur&#8217;an, God is the Only God of all things that exist, He is the God of the known and the un-known, The ONe, and the Only One,.   God don&#8217;t eat, don&#8217;t sleep, don&#8217;t get tire, He does not need a source of energy from anywhere like we humans do from food and sleep, and so on and on and on,.  We moslems believe God never had children, and never was he begotten by anything, and nothing is like him period, let me say it again, nothing is like him, according to the Qur&#8217;an.  </p>
<p>But christians like you preach your people that a human being like you, with stomach that needs to be fed, goes to toilet, gets tire, looks for food to eat, drinks , all that mention of human charactristics, could actualy be a God, logicaly, it is you people the most likely once who will worship a man that will come and ask humans to worship him, the anti-crist,</p>
<p>Lets say a man claiming to be jesus comes to superpower, well, a christian beleiver will probably stand up for him and start worshiping him, that is what their parents been teaching them since they were babies, the claim of, , God jesus, or juses God.  Well, prove me if i&#8217;m wrong,. the question is wouldn&#8217;t a christian be the most likely one to follow a man who wants to be worshiped and prayed to as a God, the anti-christ,?.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html#comment-1177</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/?p=1048#comment-1177</guid>
		<description>ok, well this is good ground, so i will also say that i have looked for the fulfillments in Revelation, and researched and been critical of every area, but it all seemed to fall of the bone, like a well cooked roast into my mouth, and so i made a blog about this and i am quite amazed at how every area i have looked for fulfillment, i have found it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, well this is good ground, so i will also say that i have looked for the fulfillments in Revelation, and researched and been critical of every area, but it all seemed to fall of the bone, like a well cooked roast into my mouth, and so i made a blog about this and i am quite amazed at how every area i have looked for fulfillment, i have found it&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html#comment-1176</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/?p=1048#comment-1176</guid>
		<description>They are the same. The one that rises out of the Land only has two horns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are the same. The one that rises out of the Land only has two horns.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html#comment-1175</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/?p=1048#comment-1175</guid>
		<description>Ok, i will do that...

I guess i was plainly trying to say that the scarlet beast, and the beast that rises out of the sea are the same...

i mean, how many visions did daniel have that an angel did not come later and interpret?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, i will do that&#8230;</p>
<p>I guess i was plainly trying to say that the scarlet beast, and the beast that rises out of the sea are the same&#8230;</p>
<p>i mean, how many visions did daniel have that an angel did not come later and interpret?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html#comment-1174</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/?p=1048#comment-1174</guid>
		<description>Seems to me that you are mixing a lot of apples with oranges here. I am not following you and I cannot spend all day trying to figure what you are saying out. Your also getting off topic of this post. 

Your certainly welcomed to read my commentary maybe it will put some apples in the apple crate and oranges in the orange crate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that you are mixing a lot of apples with oranges here. I am not following you and I cannot spend all day trying to figure what you are saying out. Your also getting off topic of this post. </p>
<p>Your certainly welcomed to read my commentary maybe it will put some apples in the apple crate and oranges in the orange crate.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html#comment-1170</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/?p=1048#comment-1170</guid>
		<description>Oh, and by the way, i don't ascibe to any kingdom theory, though i know the beast is a king, which concludes he has a kingdom, but that is as far as i go into the "kingdom(s) theorie(s)" possibilities.

and PLEASE forgive me if i assumed you ascribed to any kingdom theory, and if i did, i am sorry, because it seems everyone does, and i don't know why; because if there is one beast, that is one kingdom, i don't see how the beasts HEADS could be seven other kingdoms.  rather i see seven kings in one kingdom, and the beast is one of the seven, and the beast is a king, and this beast has a kingdom; there is no kingdom without a king.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and by the way, i don&#8217;t ascibe to any kingdom theory, though i know the beast is a king, which concludes he has a kingdom, but that is as far as i go into the &#8220;kingdom(s) theorie(s)&#8221; possibilities.</p>
<p>and PLEASE forgive me if i assumed you ascribed to any kingdom theory, and if i did, i am sorry, because it seems everyone does, and i don&#8217;t know why; because if there is one beast, that is one kingdom, i don&#8217;t see how the beasts HEADS could be seven other kingdoms.  rather i see seven kings in one kingdom, and the beast is one of the seven, and the beast is a king, and this beast has a kingdom; there is no kingdom without a king.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html#comment-1169</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/?p=1048#comment-1169</guid>
		<description>Ok, i see the points made here, and what i am trying to say, is that i am not going to discount other theories.  i am not saying that others are wrong and i know it all.  all i was doing was merely presenting what i have researched, and that is all.  if a beast has seven heads, and it is concluded that the beast is a kingdom, then why is there not a view that this one kingdom will have seven kings and one of these seven kings is the beast, or THE anti-Christ, and will  be an eighth king.  From studying, it appears that the scarlet beast is the one that comes out of the sea, or, where else do you find an abyss?  The scarlet beast did not have crowns on the horns, which makes sense because they are kings that have not yet received a kingdom, but the beast that comes out of the sea, or ascends the abyss or bottomless pit, in Rev 13 has crowns on the ten horns, signifying whoever those kings are that recieved no kingdom yet, received them, the crowns being evidence.

the scarlet beast that was, and is not, from Revelation 17 seems to be the head that recieves the fatal wound, and is healed and comes to life in Revelation 13.

the angel said the Lamb will overcome the beast and his horns who make war with the Lamb, and it is obvious the Lamb overcomes them with the seven bowls of wrath, and His return to capture the beast and the false prophet, and cast them alive in the lake of fire.  And on top of this, God puts the purpose into the hearts of the ten horns to give the kingdom to the beast so His words are fulfilled; so they destroy and burn the harlot with fire.

are we following here?

if you want me to go over your research, i would be more than happy to do so, but it looks like that might take time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, i see the points made here, and what i am trying to say, is that i am not going to discount other theories.  i am not saying that others are wrong and i know it all.  all i was doing was merely presenting what i have researched, and that is all.  if a beast has seven heads, and it is concluded that the beast is a kingdom, then why is there not a view that this one kingdom will have seven kings and one of these seven kings is the beast, or THE anti-Christ, and will  be an eighth king.  From studying, it appears that the scarlet beast is the one that comes out of the sea, or, where else do you find an abyss?  The scarlet beast did not have crowns on the horns, which makes sense because they are kings that have not yet received a kingdom, but the beast that comes out of the sea, or ascends the abyss or bottomless pit, in Rev 13 has crowns on the ten horns, signifying whoever those kings are that recieved no kingdom yet, received them, the crowns being evidence.</p>
<p>the scarlet beast that was, and is not, from Revelation 17 seems to be the head that recieves the fatal wound, and is healed and comes to life in Revelation 13.</p>
<p>the angel said the Lamb will overcome the beast and his horns who make war with the Lamb, and it is obvious the Lamb overcomes them with the seven bowls of wrath, and His return to capture the beast and the false prophet, and cast them alive in the lake of fire.  And on top of this, God puts the purpose into the hearts of the ten horns to give the kingdom to the beast so His words are fulfilled; so they destroy and burn the harlot with fire.</p>
<p>are we following here?</p>
<p>if you want me to go over your research, i would be more than happy to do so, but it looks like that might take time.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html#comment-1164</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/?p=1048#comment-1164</guid>
		<description>I see true to form you do not answer my points or questions but you think I should be answering yours.

If you do not think the Kaaba came from Rome where did it come from?

What kingdom theory are you referring to?

The was and is not passage is difficult but you have to read the whole context of the passage. The Beast the angel was talking about was the eight king and that is explained if you read down to verse 11

&lt;em&gt;The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9  And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10  And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition&lt;/em&gt;.

You also have to take into account Daniel's vision there were only four kingdoms from Daniel's vision and they are of historical record with the last kingdom being the Roman Empire.

&lt;em&gt;17  These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
18  But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
19  Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
20  And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21  I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22  Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
23  Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see true to form you do not answer my points or questions but you think I should be answering yours.</p>
<p>If you do not think the Kaaba came from Rome where did it come from?</p>
<p>What kingdom theory are you referring to?</p>
<p>The was and is not passage is difficult but you have to read the whole context of the passage. The Beast the angel was talking about was the eight king and that is explained if you read down to verse 11</p>
<p><em>The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.<br />
9  And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.<br />
10  And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.<br />
11  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition</em>.</p>
<p>You also have to take into account Daniel&#8217;s vision there were only four kingdoms from Daniel&#8217;s vision and they are of historical record with the last kingdom being the Roman Empire.</p>
<p><em>17  These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.<br />
18  But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.<br />
19  Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;<br />
20  And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.<br />
21  I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;<br />
22  Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.<br />
23  Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.</em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/24/will-the-antichrist-and-his-beast-government-come-from-islam.html#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/?p=1048#comment-1163</guid>
		<description>i never said the Kaaba was carried from Rome; huh?  i understand though why you might say this.. and that's fine.

and i am pretty sure, if the kingdom theory is intact, the angel told John, "the beast that you saw was, and is not."

and is not.

So we know "one is" during his time, and if that is Rome, and the beast he saw, was and is not, then we can conclude that it is not Rome.  And when the angel said "and is not" , also said the beast is one of the seven.  otherwise the angel would have said, "the beast that you saw "is" "   Or five have fallen, and the beast that you saw "is", but that doesn't make sense, because the beast he saw was, and is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i never said the Kaaba was carried from Rome; huh?  i understand though why you might say this.. and that&#8217;s fine.</p>
<p>and i am pretty sure, if the kingdom theory is intact, the angel told John, &#8220;the beast that you saw was, and is not.&#8221;</p>
<p>and is not.</p>
<p>So we know &#8220;one is&#8221; during his time, and if that is Rome, and the beast he saw, was and is not, then we can conclude that it is not Rome.  And when the angel said &#8220;and is not&#8221; , also said the beast is one of the seven.  otherwise the angel would have said, &#8220;the beast that you saw &#8220;is&#8221; &#8221;   Or five have fallen, and the beast that you saw &#8220;is&#8221;, but that doesn&#8217;t make sense, because the beast he saw was, and is not.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
