David Flynn and Newton’s unified theory of Bible prophecy dating?
David Flynn’s “Temple at the Center of Time: Newton’s Bible Codex Deciphered and the Year 2012, is probably all very interesting but can you really tell significant biblical events on the earth from the distance from the Temple in nautical miles or feet?
As in the Bible Code, what we have here more likely than not, is selecting what supports the theory and ignoring what does not. If God was going to make a unified system of Bible prophecy everything would fit not just what the author choose to select.
I also do not believe the Millennial temple will be at the Temple Mount of Old Jerusalem. It is much too large. So what does that do to the exact measurements when you do not even know the exact point on the earth to measure from? Are you measuring from Ezekiel’s Millennial Temple or the ancient Temple Mount?
Was God using our modern calenders and nautical miles for events? That would not be likely. Why measure to London just because it took over that area of the world in 1917 and then apply London to the year 1948 because it is 1948 nautical miles to London? The British hindered the return of the Jews in the end, so it seems more fitting to me use the nautical miles to the UN in New York city should be used but that distance would not fit the 1948 theory. Why were Nautical miles used in one measurement and feet in another? Just because they fit?
The book is being compared to the “Bible Code” but as far as I am concerned the Bible Code has been adequately debunked. These theories all sound good because the author stacks the deck. Only after
the scholars and skeptics give their reason why the theory does not hold up is there any balance brought to the speculations. It is like going to court and only hearing the case against the defendant and not ever
hearing the defense. This is why those that give doctoral theses also have to give a defense of their thesis.
I have not read the book so I cannot comment on the details in it but I surmise that after the scholars critique the book it will fittingly join with the Bible code.
It seems that an awful lot of people have figured out a date for the start of the tribulation or the second coming. Many are jumping on the 2012 to 2019 bandwagon others are picking 2032 2033 as the return of the Lord. Did we not also hear not so long ago about dating schemes built into the Great Pyramid where the end was going to come in 2000? Now we have the Mayan Calendar influence for 2012 that is plaguing us and helping to spawn these new theories. I have news to a certain TV Bible prophecy teacher and everyone else, God has no reason to follow pagan calendars and theories. Why should any Christian believe they contain truth?
I get documents from people writing books who have the timing of the second coming or the start of the tribulation all mathematically figured out to an exact year and feast day. However, I notice when one starts with what one believes to be the prophetic date and then makes all their data conform to fit that date it will come out to the date they want it to come out.
We are getting close to the end. We can see that by world events but when you are tossing out your precise theory of when Jesus will return or reading someone else’s profound theories on that date, you might not sell the farm quite yet.
Is Temple Mount God’s time bomb?
Was the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem more than a place of worship?
Was it, indeed, a roadmap to future events – a kind of prophetic landmark whose significance is only now revealed through the development of satellite imagery?
That is the contention of an explosive new book, “Temple at the Center of Time: Newton’s Bible Codex Deciphered and the Year 2012,” by David Flynn.
The book asserts it has “deciphered Isaac Newton’s greatest paradox: None other than ‘the unified field theory’ of Bible prophecy.”
The Romans established Londinium in about A.D. 47. It was a civilian settlement built where the Thames became narrow enough for a bridge to be built across it but was still deep enough to admit large ocean vessels. In the 16th century, William Camden believed that the “London Stone” was a Roman milestone from which all distances were measured in the province. In the 17th century, Christopher Wren was able to observe the foundations of the London Stone underneath Cannon Street during the rebuilding of London after the Great Fire. With this information, it is possible to extend a measuring line from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to the exact center of ancient London, and by fixing a point on the site of the temple mount, a measuring line extended over Jerusalem to the center of London produces 1,948.40 nautical miles.
Therefore, incredibly, recorded in the earth between the Temple Mount of Jerusalem and the historic center of London is what Flynn sees as the fulfillment of Newton’s own prediction: Israel became a nation again May 14th, 1948, corresponding perfectly to a distance between the temple and London of 1948 nautical miles.
As the reader moves through Temple at the Center of Time, these time-length correlations accumulate quickly, including numerous ancient dates such as 1441 B.C. when the Exodus from Egypt occurred. It turns out is 1,441,000 feet from the Jerusalem Temple to the Great Pyramid in Giza. Flynn finds dozens of other key dates in the past through similar satellite mapping measurements including some related to the United States, Russia and Rome.
Before it is even officially released, Flynn’s book is causing a sensation in some circles where it is being compared to “The Bible Code.”
Today Sept 17th I am adding the following information because some are saying that Flynn never implied a set a date for the end of the world. Obviously WordNetDaily is hyping the 2012-2013 date in order to sell this book. The following quote was taken from the article posted on WND today. The belief that world will end in 2012-2013 is prophetically preposterous.
“But,” says Flynn, “there remains a valid aspect of Newton’s calculation. There is reason to believe he was correct in his assumption that there would be 1,260 years until the return of Christ at the rebirth of the Roman Empire, but that the year he chose was incorrect. There is actually a better date based on the founding of Rome and the methodology of Daniel’s prophecy.”
Flynn explains: “The Romans had fixed the birth of the city of Rome and the Empire in 753 B.C. It was believed that the patriarch of the city, Romulus, had marked out the boundaries for the wall of Rome in this year. Known as Ab Urbe Condita (literally, from the founding of the city) the Roman calendar began with 753 B.C. according to the dating of Marcus Terentius Varro (116–27 B.C.) who lived at the time of the Empire itself.
Because of how the prophet Daniel divided the prophetic week in half, Flynn believes the original founding date for the empire of the prophecy, Rome, would follow this pattern and be bisected. Therefore, correcting Newton’s date, the year 753 B.C. designates the founding of the physical Rome while A.D. 753 establishes the rebirth of spiritual Rome. Counting 1,260 years forward from A.D. 753, one arrives at the year 2013.
Additional significance can be attached to this finding when considering that 2013 follows the end of the great cycle of the Maya calendar and the planetary cycle of the Aztec calendar, which concludes Dec. 21, 2012. This date has raised apocalyptic fears in corners around the world. According to “The Bible Code,” the world will end on this date due to a collision with a meteor, asteroid, or comet. Another theory – the “Novelty Theory” – claims time itself is a “fractal wave,” which will end abruptly in 2012. Even the popular television program X-Files speculated that colonization of the earth by “aliens” would occur in December 2012.
The Maya themselves describe past visits of Quetzalcoatl, the Feathered Serpent, descending through a “hole in the sky” on a rope ladder. They believe at the end of 2012 the serpent rope will emerge again from the center of the Milky Way, and Quetzalcoatl will return, heralding a new era at the start of 2013. Another version of the story has Quetzalcoatl sailing down on a winged ship, causing some to speculate that a UFO armada or “mother ship” could descend and take up position over earth on that date.
Besides this type of speculation, an unusual number of important events will occur beginning in 2012. NASA is predicting the next Solar Maximum will arrive in 2012 and will be the strongest in 50 years. At the same time, the sun will align with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in 26,000 years, on the exact date of the end of the Mayan calendar, Dec. 21, 2012. This will also be the year when the United States and the United Nations elect a new president and a new secretary general, considered by some to be the two most powerful “thrones” on earth, and the seat from which prophecy experts say the Antichrist will rule or receive power.
On a YouTube video here, well-known preacher Jack Van Impe says that the year 2012 and the end of the Mayan Calendar could mark the return of Jesus Christ.
Based on his research into the Jewish Feasts, Pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries (as laid out in a series of two DVD teachings produced by WND Videos called “The Feasts of the Lord”) believes this time frame between 2012-2015 could be prophetic and may signal the return of Christ. He says for people who believe in a “pre-tribulation rapture,” this would make the year 2008 very important. For those who believe in a mid-tribulation rapture, 2012 may mark their departure. And on his website, he adds “if you’re prewrath, then 2014 might be interesting [and] if you’re a posttribber, 2015 is the date to watch for.”
Date posted: Friday, August 15th, 2008 12:31 pm | Under category: Bible prophecy teachers, Jerusalem, Second Coming
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Hi Don,
Great post again! I do have a question though. I understand what you’re saying about the year 2012, but my question is what do you think WILL happen in that year and 2013? Seems there is a lot of science out there that says something is going to happen- Polar reversal, sun storms, all kinds of things like that. I have only read a few articles, so I’m curious on your stance of if there is something that is likely to happen during that time frame, even if it’s not related to prophecy. Should we expect a bunch of earthquakes and such because of the pole shift- if that’s even going to happen?
If I knew what would happen in any year I would be very rich. The science out there about 2012-2013 is mostly junk science so I world not expect that year to have any more risk that any other year in the next decade. We still do not know what the next solar cycle will be like if it ever gets going. If it does not it is going to get cold.
Having said that, any year could be traumatic because I think the whole next decade is going to be a very traumatic time for the world but I do not believe we will be in the tribulation period in the next decade. The most traumatic thing that might occur in 2012 might be the U.S. elections, if we even have one after the EMP of 9/11/11. No, that is not a prediction.
I learned a lesson, when I was around 14 years old, about the return of the Master. We are to be found doing what Jesus instructed us to do, that is spreading the Gospel. Not trying to figure out when He will return. No if’s, and’s, or but’s.
When I saw this, I said to myself: “ho-hum, that’s marginally interesting, but why bother? I’ve got God’s Word! There’s nothing in this book that will “support” the Bible in my mind — it needs no more support.”
(Of course, I’m intensely watching for Jesus’ return, but this book strikes me as some cheap conspiracy theory.)
Oh, now I know what was bothering me about his book (I read the promotional writeup on Raiders News Network.): It “sizzles” with “secret/occultic” type “knowledge.” I believe I’m going to avoid this book.
I wonder if the writer is even a believer. The writer of the “Bible Code” was not. I would put this book more in the category of someone presenting a theory to those who are always looking for secret hidden knowledge in the Bible to figure out when the end date is. Of course they always do it just in time to make money selling their book before they are proven wrong.
I did not know that. Why is WND promoting that kind of a book?
Well, I said “sizzles” (from what I’ve read of it) of occultic things — I don’t know that for sure, but my spiritual “klaxons” are sounding in me loudly, so good or bad, I suspect that *I* need to avoid it.
WND sometimes promotes things that raise questions in my mind.
Hi Don - yes, David Flynn is a fellow Christian believer. Please hold further judgment until after you’ve read the book.
Thanks, and God bless you!
John
Thanks for the information. I think cynicism of speculative prophecy books plugged on the most popular Christian Internet website should be expected to go with the territory. Just as some criticized the Bible Code even before getting the expert opinions. How many dating books are we going to put on a bandwagon and have the world expose? I have nothing further to say on a book I have not read but I will stand by what I said in my post statement.
We will see what the Christian experts say after the book is released.
Blessings back to you,
Don
Thanks, Don - how do I change my picture?
Hi John,
I see why you would want to change your picture (-:
The program automatically assigns a picture at random to a email address so I am afraid that you can’t change your picture unless I use a completely different type of avatar program. I might do that because these pictures are pretty bad. So right not the only way the program would give you a different picture is if you changed your email address.
The program only assigns avatars if you do not have your own gravator (global avatar) you can get your own personal gravator at the following website http://en.gravatar.com/
(you can upload any picture you want)
I would be interested in reading a full critique when you have read the book, which I assume you have by now? I’ve always been bothered by people who critique movies and books before they read them. I am fearful of wasting my money on this book and also am skeptical of WND promotions, particularly because of their staff connections to Roy Masters.
The bible says we cannot know the day and the hour of Christ’s return, which I take literally, so predicting the year I do not find offensive or contrary to doctrine. Indeed we are told not a few times that we who live in this time will be able to discern the time. If Flynn predicts an exact day, I would be surprised.
As for “pagans” - people who were never exposed to the Word or the redemption of Jesus - they tried so hard to materialize instinctive believe in a greater power - we cannot fault them for that. Who is to say whether God might not have communicated with them to some extent and allowed some sort of divine knowledge before revealing the roadmap of his Son for them to folow? God existed when the Mayans were here, and when the American Indians were here and many thousands more. I do not write off every one of their beliefs for this reason. Christians like to think they were “evil.” Many were just “pre-Jesus”.
It would not surprise me at all that there are many mysteries still to be revealed to us, including mathematical calculations and more things surrounding the Temple Mount, which I believe Christians probably HAVE underestimated the significance of thus far.
However, I would like to hold off buying the book until I hear thoughts from you and others like you after reading the book. Thank you.
Actually, I have no intention of wasting my time reading another nonsensical dating book unless some credible biblical experts first tell me that there is actual validity in this ridiculous time/distance dating theory. The author has connections I do not like as well and that should raise red flags. I do not know why this book is even promoted on a Christian website before it is released other than to make money.
I see no reason for God to give revelation to pagans about a date of His Son’s return when they never believed in God’s son in the first place. It is not like these pagans or their children are actually still around looking for some fulfilled revelation.
What we have are neo-pagans who resurrected ancient pagan material and then spin them the way they want to try to support their view of the end of the world in 2012 or 2019. They find a gullible audience by using Christian terminology and feeding it to Christians through aberrant Bible prophecy TV preachers.
There is not going to be a end of the world there is just going to be and end of this age and 2012 will probably turn out to be no more significant than 2000, 1988, 1878, or 1000. A lot of “Christian” prophecy writers are just handing out 2012 Kool-Aid and all valid Christian prophecy teachers will take the heat when more “Christian” date setters comes and go.
Wow. I thought you were open minded but seems you are already rather belligerent about this book and now have stated that clearly. I am sad to see you won’t even read the book and call it a “nonsensical dating book” without any proof that it is that. I will read it . I will read anything to do with Bible Prophecy and will read anyone’s theories. If false, I will know the enemy, if it is real, it should make a good case and not be confusing. THEN I will judge it. It might have some valid ideas that can be gleaned from it, regardless of the author’s motive.
And I bet it’s not too long - so not too time consuming.
I will agree to disagree on your views on the pagans. I will only say that “Neo-pagans” are people who have obviously been made aware of the Lord’s Word and have rejected it, which is totally different from the early “pagans.” A difference most Christians don’t bother to acknowledge.
Hal Lindsey is the greatest prophecy teacher I know, and I thank God he is on TV. He is the only one on TV I really trust however.
Now WND is promoting a video that actually does - supposedly by their own promotion - predict the DAY of the end. Now that - is wacky. WND is one of those websites - like so many other Christian websites, where you have to pick the information (carefully) that you want and throw away the rest. It’s too bad.
I am pretty opened minded but over the decades I learned a few things about people who claim special Revelation or knowledge that everyone else has missed.
I can’t do everything myself you know. You would not believe the theories I get from people who what me to read their theories that have all the dates figured out. I have not read one that is convincing since Grant Jeffrey’s book but those dates have long come and gone.
So I am counting on you to tell me and everyone why the book is wacky right here on this post. I want to see if you can think critically and not just buy the line of the book. Now if you miss the reason why the theory does not hold water but others find the errors or I read it and find the errors in this dating scheme I am going to want to know why you missed it.
I do not know if it is all that wise to encourage these guys by buying their books, but hay, Its your money.
There is nothing new under the sun. What went on in Babylon is the same stuff that is going on in the New Age movement with a different book cover. Actually a lot of these people accept the Lords words, at least the parts they want to accept but they also accept anything else from “spirituality” that tickles their fancy. A prime example is Oprah and her millions of clones.
Hal Lindsey is very astute and he tells it like he sees it even if it is not politically or religiously correct. I have high regards for what Mr.Lindsey says.
That Video that WND is promoting might just be based on the same book that you are so eager to read. I have not seen anything else on their site that claims that kind of dating. I could be wrong. Yes, you have to be discerning on all websites. Even the good ones make some errors after all we are all human. That’s too bad but our nature will change one day.
Also be aware that on a news website like WND they do not censor everything they post on the website. They publish information that they think people will read and some of the sources they use just turn out to be bad. I do think they should be a little more discerning in the stuff they sell but that is easy for me to say I do not have to come up with the money to pay the whole staff and the lawsuit expenses.
One other thing he claims this theory came from Newton but Newton flat out said they the Lord is not coming before 2050AD. This book I believe is claiming a 2012 Rapture or Second coming based on Newton’s theories. I do not think Newton would approve but then again I do not think that Newton had a clue on any second coming date either.
Hi Don - when did you get your copy of Flynn’s book to substantiate this claim?
From what I read on page 291, paragraph 2 of the Epilogue it appears Flynn’s stating the third physical TEMPLE construction in Jerusalem is coming in 2012 “before the Second Coming of Christ” with no dates set at all on the actual coming of Christ. Do you have a different version of this book that states otherwise?
YBIC!
John
I said I never read the book many times now. I just remember what I read from WND site and assumed by the subtitle of the article “New book sees Jerusalem real estate as road map to future events” and the 2012 date on the WND site that they were talking about the second coming or the rapture. As you know many are now hyping this 2012 date because of a pagan calender. So you are saying he is predicting the date of the building of the third temple? Is that the start date, the foundation date or the completion date?
I also know from the article that I quoted in this post that the book claims past world events correlate with the distance in nautical miles from the temple mount in Jerusalem. That all seems very bazaar to me. Which world events fit the theory and were put in the book and which world events did not and were left out of the book?
If you actually read the book how about giving us your critique.
You know it was not so long ago that the Bible Code book came out and most of the Bible prophecy people jumped on that bandwagon and made a donkey out of themselves. Where is the hype now? There still are a few diehards but people with sound minds are not looking for future things to come by searching for hidden messages in equal distance Bible codes anymore because you can manipulate the data to make it say just about anything you are looking for, just as you can with world event dates and distances in miles from the temple. I say this will turn out much the same as the Bible Code even if you now think differently. In fact, I don’t even think this book will ever be in the same league as the Bible Code because I believe this is all nonsense. You can mark that down.
Thanks, Don - my apologies for the repitition. I just found it strange that you could give such specific criticism on a work which you’ve never personally read but rather based on some other site’s assessment. I thought that was considered gossip.
As you requested, please know I will provide you with a copy of my critique as several members of K-House’ Berean Online Fellowship http://www.khouse.org and the Koinonia Institute’s Research Director have asked for the same. Hopefully that’s something I can get done this weekend and will be sure to share with you when complete.
God bless you,
John
Great John, we will look forward to it.
God Bless
P.S. if anyone else has read this book and can give a critical analysis I would like your opinion as well.
Just finished the book. Though I don’t agree with all the peripheral historical details, it is a fascinating book and Flynn is definitely on to something. His referencing of Isaac Newton’s works and beliefs definitely lend greater credibility to his fundamental premise.
What is also fascinating to me is the fact that your website is one of the top results on a google search… while you yourself had not even read Flynn’s book before posting your blog. Thank you google for the quality indexing.
Thanks for your input. Don’t blame Google how would they know if I read the book? The book was not even released when this post was written and indexed in August. It takes time using SEO skills to make posts to rank in any search engine index. When more popular sites start talking about this book my rankings will fall sure enough.
It’s a great read - very fast and easy to absorb.
Please know, there is absolutely no date-setting in here. The WND write up asks a question, but you have to understand it’s marketing hype. Even the Feasts of the LORD DVDs they’re advertising (mentioned here in the comments) don’t make the claims that WND is alluding to in their marketing write-ups. They simply lay out interesting ’signs in the Heavens’ that fall on Feast Days while teaching a lot about the Feasts that most laymen never get to hear about.
As for Flynn’s book - he simply lays out what he’s found and hardly even suggests the 2012 date other than to point to a distance anomaly and say ‘could it be that maybe the temple will be rebuilt on this date?’ while giving no firm answer - and it’s at the tail end of the book in a couple paragraphs.
Flynn also stays Biblically grounded, dismissing things right away when they don’t line up with Scripture. Sorry, he’s no pagan apologist. At the very least he outlines very well what others have already noted (ie. makes it very easy to understand for those who have a hard time getting some of this stuff) how the Biblical calendar works, the 70 years, the 360 days and the 2520 years/days, etc. which all comes straight out of Scripture. He also goes into detail about Newton’s prediction that Christ couldn’t come back until 2060, as mentioned earlier in these comments.
As far as the distance issues in the book, Flynn lays out major items in Israel’s history. I have no idea what data he may have thrown away, but they’re eye-openers nevertheless - ‘Cool, what are the odds?’
I found the book enjoyable and informative. No fringe cultish things here and no date setting of Christ’s return. I can’t remember what all the WND write-up said but it sounds like it was quite exaggerated.
That’s good to hear Chris.
WND’s marketing hype really made it sound like a spiritually dangerous book to me. So: “Never judge a book by its marketing hype?”
That said, it’s scary that WND obviously thinks that that hype will sell books. I guess they are targeting people who don’t take spiritual discernment very seriously.
(BTW, I’m not “patting myself on the back” as being spiritually descerning. Only that I try hard to be that way, in the strength that God has given me, and this vigilance has kept me out of certain spiritual difficulties.)
Brett, I completely agree, it’s extremely important to be discerning in all things. I have a great deal of respect for WND and Joseph Farah, at the same time we have to recognize they are a business as well and who knows what goes on behind the scenes of the marketing dept.
I’m anxious to see John Hoben’s write-up of the book when he gets time.
Thanks Chris for your review.
I think WND then did Flynn and everyone else a disservice by hyping his book the way they did. My concern is that I think we will now see books that will make future predictions based on this theory and that certain gullible Christians will be eating it up like they did with the Bible Code. I cannot blame Flynn for that if those suggestion were not made by him but WND has now set the tone for that to happen.
The theory of distances from the temple to dates of world events really stands or falls on the knowledge of statistics and the number of choices. Only expects in the field of statistics with other knowledge will be able to support or disprove the premise and that will not happen anytime soon. It took years for the critics to make a strong case against the Bible Code but by that time the harm had already been done.
It’s interesting that statistics has been related to Biblical prophesy. Such prophesy is guaranteed 100% correct; statistics, on the other hand, deal in probabilities and “confidence intervals.”
I’m very glad indeed that my salvation does not depend on my righteousness being two standard-deviations above the mean, and that the certainty of Christ’s return and His promise to redeem me is not subject to any “statistical margin of error!”
But can you prove you are saved by measuring the distance from the temple mount to the place and date of your birth?
After the Bible Code came out i believe there were people looking for there own name hidden in the equal distance codes in the Bible to see if they were saved.
Today i seen an article on WND that does say that Flynn did recalculate a 2013 date for the end of the world. You can read about this in the new quote I inserted in this post or you can go directly to
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75434
In this article it also associates others that are setting the same time for the end of the world. It is all prophetically loony. I know Farrah does not really believe this. I guess it is all about hyping the book for the almighty…..dollar.
Hi Don - 2012 is the date going around, indeed. I think most people will say ‘yeah, somethings gonna happen’ but it’s all speculation as to what. Flynn sort of corrected Newton’s 2060 date (which he also noted Newton kind of threw together in a sort of spite) and shows that the correction would actually point to 2013. I don’t think that WND article blows what Flynn did out of proportion (though I only skimmed it quickly) and note they quote a lot from the book. But Flynn (in this book at least) does not state he thinks the world will end in 2013 - he does point to all the items that continually pop up regarding 2012 though. His only prediction, which was really more of a suggestion, was the building of the 3rd temple. I don’t think Flynn wants to completely state ‘I predict such and such will happen on this date’.
Hi Scott,
He obviously is giving the impression that the world will end in 2013 and when you start quoting pagan sources to validate what you are saying in your book you no longer are on biblical ground. Van Impe does the same thing and this article quotes what Van Impe said.on Youtube. I can not tell from the article if Flynn is quoting Van Impe or if it is WND but both should know better. Van Impe uses the same pagan sources as Flynn. It is circular reasoning and unreliable information.
Also the sun does not appear to be heading into a solar maximum. It is strangely non active for where it should be in this solar cycle but it is still a bit soon to be certain that the cycle will not still take place. What we can be certain of is if we do not see sun spots in the next year the next solar cycle will not take place as advertised and that might indicate that a long period of global cooling is on the way.
After some browsing I saw Mark Biltz post here about what people are saying regarding his Feasts of the Lord DVDs. http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/stipulation.html
That’s just not what’s in the book, Don. I don’t know how else to say it…
I agree, I wouldn’t be using Jack Van Impe as a source for much of anything… other than maybe what NOT to do
I then do not know why WND is posting lying articles?
I read your link. I do not think the eclipses are what the Lord and the prophets were talking about so I think the whole theory is misguided. What Jesus and the prophets were talking about were not something that occurs every few decades or even every few centuries over Israel. People forget that the Sun is also going to be turned to darkness and this blood moon event is probably in conjunction with all people seeking to find holes in the ground for protection.
This is probably talking about the effect of a comet or asteroid approaching the earth, or even the Holy City with the gravitational forces setting off volcanoes and throwing dust into the atmosphere. We might also be aware that the day of the Lord is for the whole world not just Israel and all on earth will see these things. That is not possible with eclipses.
Frankly, I think all this date speculation is counter productive even if I speculated a bit myself in my own projection table article. But at least I have a thirty year range for the second coming so people are not going to become moon bats. There is probably at least one author with a second coming or rapture theory for every year from now until 2033 and they all sound good to the authors who wrote them. However, I have not found one that I would buy into (I have been sent many). I also do not believe anyone will know the year before the end time events actually start to happen.
Thanks for your perspective, Don.
Have you gone through Chuck Missler’s “Mystery of Mars” study before?
Chuck points out the eliptical orbits of earth, mars and other planets in our solar system synch up every few thousand years to produce the strong gravitational forces that cause major earthquakes, increased meteor strikes and other geophysical tectonic plate shifting. Here’s an excerpt from Missler’s study:
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The Long Day of Joshua
One-third of a million men met at Beth Horon. Mars on a fly-by at about 70,000
miles (very close), probably on a pass over the North Pole. Day lengthened 2-4 hours; precessional change. Polar shift; Latitude changed (5 degrees?) Bolides and Meteors 2-3 hours later, arriving at about 30,000 miles per hour. October 25, 1404 B.C.: Early morning,
Mars rises 50X size of the moon. Earthquakes, bolides, meteors: 2 - 3 hours.
(Source: K-House Ministries, “Mystery of Mars” Study Notes. PP. 29-30)
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This event’s recurrence is predicted in the 2012 to 2020AD timeframe. Missler goes on to outline these occurences happen in October and March and lists the corresponding Biblical events that coincide with this calendar (two months before the pagan Mayan calendar predicts in December 2012). If anyone’s interested, please click on http://www.khouse.org and search for the “Mystery of Mars” study.
Bottom line: the man-made governments and other organizations of the earth’s nations will use this natural astronomical event to spin all kinds of stories to dig deeper into citizens’ wallets.
God bless you,
John
P.S. Work has been extremely busy so I’ve not completed my book review of Flynn’s work. As soon as it’s complete, I will post it, however.
P.P.S. Chuck Missler (nor anyone at K-House Ministries / Koinonia Institute) does NOT pick any dates for the rapture nor the next coming of Christ in this nor any of his studies.
Hi John
I have heard quite a bit of Chuck Missler’s material and like his teaching quite a bit. However he himself says that much of what he says is conjecture. I do not remember if I heard the Mystery of Mars study. I also do not know why he would say 70,000 miles from the earth could occur within a natural cycle of Earth Mars. That is quite impossible.
If I recall correctly I believe Missler teaches a version of the Planets in Collision theory and claims that Mars and Earth interacted in the past with each other in very close encounters. The theory in the book “Planets in Collision” made sense to me and I think they did occur to cause the biblical events. However, in the book Venus is ejected out of Jupiter causing the strange orbits of Mars that causes catastrophic events on the earth every fifty years when the orbits of Mars and Earth bring them close. But today the orbits are not like they might have been back then.
It makes no sense that these close encounters could happen in the orbits of Mars and Earth of today so that Mars could ever be 70,000 miles from the earth in 2012 to 2020 without another body from somewhere else changing the Mars or Earth orbit. Chuck Missler is not that stupid. My only explanation is that I think you may not have heard all of what he said correctly but I will try to listen to that series if I can find the time. My slow Internet connection makes that very difficult.
You’re right, Don - Chuck Missler did not say that about 2012. Chuck was talking only about the Long Day of Joshua from 3,000+ years ago. I was contrasting that with the planetary theory of precession happening again in the 2012 to 2020 timeframe.
My apologies for any mis-communication on what Chuck said and what I overlayed in extra-biblical conjecture. There’s enough mis-information from the heathen and pagan communities to cover the waters of the earth.
Shalom!
John
In regards to Flynn setting dates, he mentions on part of his website http://www.ahrimangate.com/flynn6.htm that “Christian eschatology can accommodate the existence of the Roswell message. It can accept its angelic origin for the message and even its symbolism. But so far there has been little room in eschatology for the setting of dates or years for prophecy fulfillment. There is only one true way of knowing the future, apart from trusting God’s words to mankind…
One has to wait.
According to the message at Roswell, we have only to wait a few years.”(end quote)
So he clearly acknowledges that 2012 he believes is a date of something significant, but is careful not to say its the year of the Lords return
Ryan
Thanks for your input Ryan
What message at Roswell? Does he claim to have hidden knowledge that few else know? I do not know what really happened at Roswell and I do not believe Flynn does either. So then he go from Roswell speculation to suggesting that he knows the Roswell message? That is shaky ground at best.
As promised, here’s my ‘official’ book review submitted to Amazon.com:
Flynn’s book is light on 2012, heavy on Biblical, secular history
As a sincere follower and believer in Jesus Christ, Flynn does a good job issuing a prophetic “watch” notice, blending Biblical and secular accounts of historical facts with ‘new’ data. Most of this “new” data is centered around linking distances from Jerusalem’s Temple Mount to key historical dates which seem to defy mere coincidence. (Of course, most Hebrew Rabbis will tell you coincidence is not a Kosher word!)
While some of the logic and calculations may seem contrived, Flynn does a good job using new technology (specifically NASA’s World Wind program) in calculating distances to key locations in London, Washington, Babylon, Mecca, Egypt and other nations who possess unique historical relationships with Jerusalem’s ancient Jewish Temples. Many of these “distances that match key dates and symbols” range from 1,948 nautical miles from the center of London to the corner stone of Solomon’s Temple. This matches up to 1948AD, when the British Empire established the Modern Nation of Israel. Flynn also shows there are 666 nautical miles between Mecca, Saudi Arabia and the Temple corner stone.
Flynn does a good job linking these calculations back to Biblical prophecies of Daniel, with some unique insights not published before. For example, Flynn calls out the unique properties of numbers such as 2,520 (equivalent to the number of days in Daniel’s “week of years” as well as the gematria of Babylon’s King Nebuchaadnezzar’s ‘writing on the wall’ interpreted by Daniel), 1,260 (half of 2,520) the constant pi and other numbers with their roots in the ancient Jewish Temples’ architecture. He also makes some other very unique, interesting observations between the geo-positioning of ancient sites and their relation to the Temple. Flynn does NOT put forth this type of distance / date observation as a new “bible code” but rather explores Isaac Newton’s Bible research as it relates to ancient prophecy and world events.
Other calculations are not as straight forward, such as the year 2012 calculated through a series of conversions between Lunar (Hebrew) and Solar (Gregorian) calendars, multiplication against Pi and offset by the dedication year of Solomon’s Temple. These calculations are all contained within less than 6 pages of the Epilogue out of 296 total pages which doesn’t warrant it as a sub-title for the entire book.
Beyond the time / distance parallel calculations, Flynn does an interesting job linking post-renaissance “illuminated” world leaders’ beliefs from the Jewish Temple’s vantage point. Facts are well cited in each respective chapter’s end notes, such as the origin of the word “church”, “ark” and “tau” in how they are inter-related to the “primal knowledge” or “priscia sapientia” avidly pursued by many renaissance scholars. Flynn makes subtle reference to the growing tension around 2012 as the end of the Mayan calendar and the potential for that time being a star gate through which the ‘watchers’ (implicit in Genesis 6, Matthew 24 and Jude) return to earth. Under no circumstances does Flynn pick any second advent, rapture or other prophetic dates but merely puts the reader on ‘watch notice’ similar to a meteorological tornado watch.
Bottom line: read the book. Flynn’s ambassadorship for the King of kings is well reflected in this thoughtful piece of work.
John Hoben, Soldiersbibleministry.org
Thanks John for taking the time to submit your book review here.
Nothing you said really changes what I said on this post.
I had to laugh at some statements in your report.
“Flynn calls out the unique properties of numbers such as 2,520 (equivalent to the number of days in Daniel’s “week of years” as well as the gematria of Babylon’s King Nebuchaadnezzar’s ‘writing on the wall’ interpreted by Daniel), 1,260 (half of 2,520) the constant pi and other numbers with their roots in the ancient Jewish Temples’ architecture.”
“Other calculations are not as straight forward, such as the year 2012 calculated through a series of conversions between Lunar (Hebrew) and Solar (Gregorian) calendars, multiplication against Pi and offset by the dedication year of Solomon’s Temple.”
I think the distance to the moon in NASA World Wind Miles divided by Pi and the year of the first temple will actually give you the date of the watchers first moonwalk. Someone prove me wrong
“Flynn does NOT put forth this type of distance / date observation as a new “bible code” but rather explores Isaac Newton’s Bible research as it relates to ancient prophecy and world events.”
But others will you can bet on it.
“Flynn makes subtle reference to the growing tension around 2012 as the end of the Mayan calendar and the potential for that time being a star gate through which the ‘watchers’ (implicit in Genesis 6, Matthew 24 and Jude) return to earth.”
Star gate? Mayan calendars- 2012?
Well you all can can read what you want. As for me, I have better things to do than read contrived Christian science fiction books.
Something interesting!!! I have been studying Bible Prophecy for many years now. I have come to the conclusion that so called Bible Scholars professors or what have you are cooks. I have found all the answers right in the Scriptures concerning the Second Coming. I would not assert a date for I am not that smart. But I will tell you this. Ezekiel 37 is the Prophecy everyone ascribes to all Israel coming back together in their homeland. Read it close and you will find “Bone of my bone…” In Matthew 27 you will find a bodily resurrection took place and many were to be seen in Jerusalem. Well if you read Revelation 14 you will find that the Scripture is speaking of a past event. You will find if you study that the 144,000 Jews whether that is symbolic number or not I know not. But they resurrected at Christs resurrection. You will find this is the same crowd in Hebrews 12:23 You will find in 1 Cor 15 that their is but two comings. Which ties all that I am saying together about Christ being the firstfruits. It speaks of that coming and then one more and then the end. No secret rapture. You will find that Paul got his Revelation of the rapture from Isaiah 25:27 from the words …Death is swallowed up in victory. So you will find that at his first coming their was a veil rent in the Temple. You will find at his second coming another veil rent in Isaiah which covers the whole world in darkness. You will find that the Dragon is actually bound which is written in Revelation 20.. I didnt belive any of this a few years back because I listened to what all the prophecy folk and my Pastor preached. But I was blown up in 6 bomb blasts in Iraq that erased my memory. When I finally got the capacity of mind back to read the Scriptures read diffrent and I had forgotten what I had believed so I was relived of the burden of having to forget wrong prophecy and relearn. I was a satanist and I stole a KJV and when I opened it and began to read the Holy Word came alive and convicted me of being a lost sinner. I got saved. Anyway if anyones interested the Lord has opened my understanding of the Second Coming. If your interested email me. The Lord has put the prophetic together for me. I an interested in getting the truth out. I am a nobody and need your prayers. God bless you by the way Isaiah 15 quoted by Paul in 1 Cor 15 gives the timeing of rapture. It can be put together. Tears are wiped away at that time. Paul said behold I show you a mystery, at the last trump. Go to the last trumpet in Revelation 10:7 and you will find the Mystery of God is finished at the blowing of the last trump. Paul said the last trump. Jesus said at the last day in John 6 several times alluding to his second coming. “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me…and I will raise him up at the last day.” In Joshuah 6 At the Last Dye at the blowing of teh Last Trump they “Ascend up” God bless that is all I will say. Maybe I can help just one. The religous crowd stays mad as hell at me because I have proved all the theories wrong. For instance the Thousand years in Revelation 20 has a 2000 year sequence to it as well. When you see the rainbow on earth you dont see a circle you only see half. But in Revelation we learn it is a circle. Everything in Revelation for the most part is given in halves. Their is one 1260 day period in Revelation. But it ends up 2 three and a half year periods. So the reason that the Great Red Dragon is bound is because Christ has elect upon the earth and antichrist would have destroyed the world already at his first coming after he was cast out of heaven that Christ speaks of in John 12 also John in Revelation 12. This part of the war in heaven took place when Christ and his firstfruits resurrected and Satan was cast out which caused the first persecution of Christians. I know most will not understand or accept because they are eaten up with theories. But the most of Christs Second Coming has been revealed to me through the Word of God. God bless Love Forrest
“But I was blown up in 6 bomb blasts in Iraq that erased my memory”
Just six? That explains everything you said.
I think the distance to the moon in NASA World Wind Miles divided by Pi and the year of the first temple will actually give you the date of the watchers first moonwalk. Someone prove me wrong
Hmmm, I’d say that’s an irrational statement. Why? Well because Pi is an irrational number of course!
Donn, No, not just 6 direct hits on the humvees I was a gunner on actually was in many more explosions than that!!! Just not 6 or 7 feet away I do appreciate the sarcasm though thanks. Forrest
Thanks, Forrest - I can’t find your email so would you please send me a note at john.hoben@soldiersbibleministry.org so I can take this discussion off this forum?
God bless you!
John