Yes, unfortunately I hope its more a matter of people being drawn closer to God through more serious Bible study rather than having to eat crow. In the words of Mike Heiser:

“I (and, I believe, God) would rather have someone devote themselves to Bible study and fail from time to time (or even a lot) than have his children be more interested in who wins Survivor or their plunging stock portfolio.”

I think that was the date when “O” first broke 100 on the white house bowling alley I cannot speak for David but me thinks a lot of crow is going to be eaten in the next few years by all the 2012-2013 date setters.

“Counting 1,260 days backwards from 12/21/2012 one arrives at the date july 10th 2009. This fits within the 1,980 year countdown from 30 AD, as well 2012 fits the 1,980 years from 33AD.”

Hi David!

Would you please remind me: what was suppose to happen last month on 10 July 2009?

Thanks in advance for the clarification, David!
John

Actually if you read the many comments I made on this post you will know what I think of date setting theories like yours. Your last post was also so long it way truncated by the software.

The bottom line is that If you think a comment section on a topical blog post is the place to argue many different speculative theories and attack the web host you are wrong.

The Tribulation obviously did not start last fall.

I say Merry Christmas because it is the date when Jesus came into the world, it was the date when Jesus was conceived in Mary’s womb. You make assumptions that simply are not true.

Who cares if the Dow dropped 777.7 points on Yom Teruah and there was also a $700 billion bailout? If you know statistics you would know that sooner or latter correlations have to happen. If you only are looking for correlations you will find them and come to wrong conclusions. That has been my argument about the time distance theory. My suggestion to you is not to take your theories to Las Vegas.

I read Valikovsky’s works, Mars/Earth orbits of today have nothing to do with what he said it was then.

I also heard Missler’s stuff. I do not in general disagree with what Missler says although he has got some of his conjecture wrong in the past. I also know Missler does not get into setting dates.

I have read the book of Enoch and know about the citations of it within scripture. Most of the book of Enoch that we have today is nonsense.

I think you are totally wrong about your date speculations and frankly your math suggestions here are just plain wacky. Also, the list of sources you give does not impress.

You might spend your time on Christian education rather than wasting it looking at tea leaves.

I really enjoyed your work; I read it 1 and 1/2 times. My standing complaint (aside the mid-tribulation antichrist/Px/Nephilim connections) is the math on the Exodus. 1441000 and 480 did not seem to add up.

In researching the 1441 topic, I learned that 12600 breaths are typical for a person in a day. Clearly the “6″ number of man is seen resounding again and again.

I also learned that 1440 is the number of minutes in a 24 hour day. Think of that! 1 “day” (of year/minutes) between Israel’s Exodus (physical) and the latter spiritual Exodus!

Now, consider leap year. 1440 (min / day) x 1/4 (day/year) = 360 min per year. It would add 1 minute to each day. 1440 + 1 = 1441; thereby perfecting the math.

One other pointer I have is that you need to work on your use of units and unit cancellation a little more in your book’s revision.

Also, it would be REALLY interesting to see how those various dates work out on the Biblical calendar. I think that in so doing you’d come up with a lot more interesting and thematic connections. You really did stun me in establishing supernatural influence over man’s history via the Gregorian. It would be equally interesting to see how these items line up in Bible or Torah codes. I know there are doubters here on that topic, but the Genesis 1 “tress” clustering and the Isaiah 53 -eleven- disciples clustering (and the 50 famous rabbi’s experiment) really do put the technology on a platform of legitimacy, at least in my eyes.

Shalom,
-Andy

Thank you for working to keep this discussion on topic. And I appreciate your skepticism, to a degree at least. Lots of people have picked bad dates – why follow suit?

As for some of your positions, I would have to object. YHVH is a math major; He runs the universe like clockwork. He crafted the planets and stars as His timepieces.

I tend to derive my end times view from a few sources (given that scripture is recognized as the first source of knowledge):

1. Mark Biltz from http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/ makes extraordinary planetary connections; making a case for 2015 (making the 7 year Trib start last fall). Watch his 5 DVD series on “the Feasts of the Lord”, the “you cannot know the day or the hour” sentiment of yours must be reconsidered. You cannot say “Merry Christmas” and expect to be a good student of prophecy. Last Yom Teruah, the Dow dropped 777.7 points on a 700 billion dollar bailout. Can you say, “Happy new year”?!?!?!

2. A movie entitled “Daniel’s Timeline” DVD (about 2 hours – easy to Youtube) coincides well with most of Biltz’s material, although they are anticipating a 2016 return (on Yom Teruah as well). They do some outstanding work on numerology (biblical) and make historical links (Israel prophecy fulfilled) to support their date. I have not yet reconciled the 360 vs 365 day year problem in my mind to pick a favorite between 2015 and 2016. It would seem that it is hard to discern when the 360 vs 365 year should be used. (I’d love to hear David’s take on this.)

3. The Mars/Earth Conflicts (based on Velikovsky’s work). Add Planet X or Niburu or Wormwood to the mix and now some of the unknowns may just balance out and complete planetary equations.

4. Chuck Missler, Alien Encounters and Return of the Nephilim. “As it was in the days of Noah” is not conjecture; Missler is understating for fear of backlash. I think you are missing out on the book of Enoch and modern Mixed seed and all of the citations of it within scripture. I also think it helps us understand the preflood world and Jurassic park and modern day fulfillment (in part) by GMO’s (which is only the beginning).

To me, it would appear that David Flynn’s 2012 or 2013 “somethin’s up” dates coincide quite well with items 1 and 2 above. I think items 3 and 4 are combined to fulfill Revelation prophecy in the 2012 or 2013 timeframe. Again, the 1260 number is compatible with this idea – 1260 seems to point toward the imperfect just as Solomon is (I believe) a picture of the antichrist, fooling many. 666 talents? Did Solomon not dabble in pagan religions, and did he not assume a sort of priestly (Levitical) role in the temple? Surely, he should have had one of Aaron’s sons officiate in his stead.

Is fallen, is fallen, mystery Babylon is fallen! In that, David really hits the nail on the head!

Shalom,
-Andy