Comments on: Will the West offer up Israel as their sacrificial lamb on the altar of Baal for world peace? http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html Don Koenig gives his wordviews on world and Church issues that often relate to Bible prophecy Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:29:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Brett Blatchley http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2292 Brett Blatchley Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:42:12 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2292 Yes Sam, I agree with Betty: You are very welcome here and God's Chosen People are close to my heart and prayers. It *IS* a thing of God's Spirit! Yes Sam, I agree with Betty: You are very welcome here and God’s Chosen People are close to my heart and prayers. It *IS* a thing of God’s Spirit!

]]> By: Betty http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2278 Betty Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:15:15 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2278 Hi again Sam! Glad you came back. Personally, I have an affinity for the Jewish people because I have spent most of my life wandering around in the desert, lol. And still have days that I have to go back to visit... Seriously, though, I know I am not alone in feeling that we are brothers and sisters under the same God. I am sure that it is the power of the Holy Spirit that opens the hearts of all true followers of Jesus to affinity with the Jewish people. It is not a scripture thing, it is from God. I have truly lifted you up in prayer, and that your eyes will the identity of your Messiah, and my Lord Jesus Christ. The very fact that you are on this site leads me to believe that you are searching. As for your people, and the nation, you are all close in heart and prayer. I hope you stick around awhile, we all need to know we are not alone: I promise you friend, you are not. Shalom, Betty Hi again Sam!

Glad you came back. Personally, I have an affinity for the Jewish people because I have spent most of my life wandering around in the desert, lol. And still have days that I have to go back to visit…

Seriously, though, I know I am not alone in feeling that we are brothers and sisters under the same God. I am sure that it is the power of the Holy Spirit that opens the hearts of all true followers of Jesus to affinity with the Jewish people. It is not a scripture thing, it is from God. I have truly lifted you up in prayer, and that your eyes will the identity of your Messiah, and my Lord Jesus Christ. The very fact that you are on this site leads me to believe that you are searching. As for your people, and the nation, you are all close in heart and prayer. I hope you stick around awhile, we all need to know we are not alone: I promise you friend, you are not.

Shalom,

Betty

]]> By: Brett Blatchley http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2270 Brett Blatchley Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:12:42 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2270 Yes, you are correct: Salvation is through Jesus alone. All who have come to God and will come to Him will be through Jesus. The faithful Old Covenant saints were looking forward to Jesus (and it is to them that He "preached" between His death and resurrection), and the Jews in the tribulation will come to see Him as their Messiah as well. Those Jews who are saved in this age will themselves have come through Jesus, whether God reveals that to them through Christians or manages to do that through supernatural or other means. Sorry, I did not make that clear. Yes, you are correct: Salvation is through Jesus alone.

All who have come to God and will come to Him will be through Jesus. The faithful Old Covenant saints were looking forward to Jesus (and it is to them that He “preached” between His death and resurrection), and the Jews in the tribulation will come to see Him as their Messiah as well. Those Jews who are saved in this age will themselves have come through Jesus, whether God reveals that to them through Christians or manages to do that through supernatural or other means.

Sorry, I did not make that clear.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2269 Don Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:46:11 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2269 Brett, Just a clarification of what you said. I really do not think you believe in duel covenant theology. Circumcision was an outward act of an inward faith. Abraham and his descendants got circumcised because they believed and obeyed God. Abraham was the father of all of faith but not all of Israel physically circumcised had faith. Some in Israel hearts departed from faith in their God. AS Paul said, <strong>"not all of Israel is of Israel"</strong>. <em>Romans 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. <strong>For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:</strong> 7 <strong>Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham</strong>, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the <strong>children of the promise are counted for the seed</strong>. </em> <blockquote></blockquote> Brett, Just a clarification of what you said. I really do not think you believe in duel covenant theology. Circumcision was an outward act of an inward faith. Abraham and his descendants got circumcised because they believed and obeyed God. Abraham was the father of all of faith but not all of Israel physically circumcised had faith. Some in Israel hearts departed from faith in their God. AS Paul said, “not all of Israel is of Israel”.

Romans 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

]]> By: Brett Blatchley http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2268 Brett Blatchley Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:15:10 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2268 For myself, even before I became a Christian, I had a sense of awe and admiration of the Jewish people. I first became aware of this when I read Leon Uris' "Exodus." I support Israel because scripture (both the Old and New Covenant's) make it very clear that that nation is God's Chosen People. I also Israel because I recognize (in my spirit as well as intellect) that we are spiritual kin (and related in many other good ways). Though many Jews do not recognize Jesus as Messiah, they <b><i>do</i></b> recognize a kinship with Christians, even as if we were step-children or even <b><i>Samaritans</i></b>! Now, if God was not influencing me (both before I surrendered to Him, and now that I belong to Him), I would probably be hate Israel like most of the rest of the world, <b><i>but I won't understand why</i></b>; as I've said, this is a <b>spiritual</b> thing. I find <b>no rational reason</b> for the genocidal hatred of the Jewish people: surely God has kept His promise to make them a blessing to the world (in very many ways). The fact that Israel even exists is a says much about the existence of God Himself; how could they survive as a people through such adversity and through so many attempts to destroy them without God's preserving hand? Therefore, the hatred of Israel must be of spiritual origin; they are the focus of Satan's maniacal hatred because he believes that if he can destroy them, then he can keep God from fulfilling His prophesies, thus making Him a liar and providing a bargaining-chip for his own self-preservation. I <i>know</i> as much as I am known by Him, that the Jews are His special people -- not because they deserve it, but because He has <b>chosen</b> them for His own. Likewise Christians are His people too, not because we deserve it, but because we have trusted Him and He likewise chooses to adopt us as sons. We are all related as spiritual descendants of Abraham: his relationship with God was by faith, and the covenant of circumcision was established starting with him: thus he is the father of those who come to God through circumcision and the father of those who come by faith. For myself, even before I became a Christian, I had a sense of awe and admiration of the Jewish people. I first became aware of this when I read Leon Uris’ “Exodus.”

I support Israel because scripture (both the Old and New Covenant’s) make it very clear that that nation is God’s Chosen People. I also Israel because I recognize (in my spirit as well as intellect) that we are spiritual kin (and related in many other good ways). Though many Jews do not recognize Jesus as Messiah, they do recognize a kinship with Christians, even as if we were step-children or even Samaritans!

Now, if God was not influencing me (both before I surrendered to Him, and now that I belong to Him), I would probably be hate Israel like most of the rest of the world, but I won’t understand why; as I’ve said, this is a spiritual thing. I find no rational reason for the genocidal hatred of the Jewish people: surely God has kept His promise to make them a blessing to the world (in very many ways). The fact that Israel even exists is a says much about the existence of God Himself; how could they survive as a people through such adversity and through so many attempts to destroy them without God’s preserving hand?

Therefore, the hatred of Israel must be of spiritual origin; they are the focus of Satan’s maniacal hatred because he believes that if he can destroy them, then he can keep God from fulfilling His prophesies, thus making Him a liar and providing a bargaining-chip for his own self-preservation.

I know as much as I am known by Him, that the Jews are His special people — not because they deserve it, but because He has chosen them for His own. Likewise Christians are His people too, not because we deserve it, but because we have trusted Him and He likewise chooses to adopt us as sons. We are all related as spiritual descendants of Abraham: his relationship with God was by faith, and the covenant of circumcision was established starting with him: thus he is the father of those who come to God through circumcision and the father of those who come by faith.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2267 Don Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:21:28 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2267 Sam, American Christians are a mixed bag so I cannot speak for them all. I think most biblical Christians support Israel because Israel is on the moral high ground and is continually being attacked by people filled with hate. The scripture thing mainly tells us why this is and what will be the outcome of those who try to prevent God's promises to Israel to be fulfilled. It is really all about a blood feud that goes back to Isaac and Ishmael and Jacob and Essa. Israel actually received the promise of the land from God but your half brothers dispute that right because they think they had the birthright to the land. Then instead of worshiping the God of Israel they created their own god that would focus their hate. We focus on this issue a lot today because we read your prophets and know what they wrote about is talking about what we see happening in the world today. Actually the people of the United States and the people of Israel have much in common on religious, political, moral and cultural beliefs. We have nothing in common with the dictators and the religious control freaks that run most of the Islamic nations. Now with Obama in charge I cannot say our official position will remain pro Israel in the future but rest assured that the majority of the people in the heartland of America will always support Israel. Sam,

American Christians are a mixed bag so I cannot speak for them all. I think most biblical Christians support Israel because Israel is on the moral high ground and is continually being attacked by people filled with hate.

The scripture thing mainly tells us why this is and what will be the outcome of those who try to prevent God’s promises to Israel to be fulfilled. It is really all about a blood feud that goes back to Isaac and Ishmael and Jacob and Essa. Israel actually received the promise of the land from God but your half brothers dispute that right because they think they had the birthright to the land. Then instead of worshiping the God of Israel they created their own god that would focus their hate. We focus on this issue a lot today because we read your prophets and know what they wrote about is talking about what we see happening in the world today.

Actually the people of the United States and the people of Israel have much in common on religious, political, moral and cultural beliefs. We have nothing in common with the dictators and the religious control freaks that run most of the Islamic nations. Now with Obama in charge I cannot say our official position will remain pro Israel in the future but rest assured that the majority of the people in the heartland of America will always support Israel.

]]> By: sam http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2266 sam Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:23:41 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2266 i think i came off too bitter. no matter what, i want to thank you all. i feel very proud and glad to live in a time when my nation has a friend. america is one of possibly two or three friends we had. all for a very short while, in a very long and documented history. i dont think any one group of people ever had the same amount of gratitude adoration and friendship as israelis have toward the usa. i think i came off too bitter. no matter what, i want to thank you all. i feel very proud and glad to live in a time when my nation has a friend. america is one of possibly two or three friends we had. all for a very short while, in a very long and documented history. i dont think any one group of people ever had the same amount of gratitude adoration and friendship as israelis have toward the usa.

]]> By: sam http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2265 sam Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:11:25 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2265 do american christians (which is what i assume you are) support israel because they hold the opinion that israel is wrongfully assaulted or is it a scripture thing? do you believe in what they say about us? do american christians (which is what i assume you are) support israel because they hold the opinion that israel is wrongfully assaulted or is it a scripture thing?
do you believe in what they say about us?

]]> By: Brett Blatchley http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2264 Brett Blatchley Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:55:03 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2264 Yes Betty, It's always nice to put a face with someone's thoughts! We enjoy both your face and your thoughts. :-) Yes Betty, It’s always nice to put a face with someone’s thoughts!

We enjoy both your face and your thoughts. :-)

]]> By: Betty http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2262 Betty Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:55:35 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/12/28/will-the-west-offer-up-israel-as-their-sacrificial-lamb-on-the-alter-of-baal-for-world-peace.html#comment-2262 haha! I was tired of my triangle face, anything's an improvement over THAT! I take that as a compliment Don (and Brett?), thanks so much...it was years before I could even look at my own face and see any beauty in it. It took God's amazing healing, and it didn't hurt that He gave me a beautiful daughter who looks just like me. She took this pic when we were in Myrtle Beach (at a red light) and it is one of my favorites because she captured me in a state of happiness and love: I look forward to the time when I will be there forever!! Sorry for the OT, but it lightened things up a little :-) I am still praying for friend Sam... haha! I was tired of my triangle face, anything’s an improvement over THAT!

I take that as a compliment Don (and Brett?), thanks so much…it was years before I could even look at my own face and see any beauty in it. It took God’s amazing healing, and it didn’t hurt that He gave me a beautiful daughter who looks just like me. She took this pic when we were in Myrtle Beach (at a red light) and it is one of my favorites because she captured me in a state of happiness and love: I look forward to the time when I will be there forever!!

Sorry for the OT, but it lightened things up a little :-)

I am still praying for friend Sam…

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