Comments on: Debunking the local Islamic Antichrist malarky because scripture actually indicates the Antichrist is Global http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/02/07/debunking-the-local-islamic-antichrist-malarky.html Don Koenig gives his wordviews on world and Church issues that often relate to Bible prophecy Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:29:33 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/02/07/debunking-the-local-islamic-antichrist-malarky.html#comment-3770 Don Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:08:17 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/02/07/debunking-the-local-islamic-antichrist-malarky.html#comment-3770 Birkashish, those are very astute observations. Birkashish, those are very astute observations.

]]> By: Birkashish http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/02/07/debunking-the-local-islamic-antichrist-malarky.html#comment-3769 Birkashish Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:49:03 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/02/07/debunking-the-local-islamic-antichrist-malarky.html#comment-3769 The anti-Christ will not be Islamic. But! its a great topic with many people and exciting reading for many. However! the anti-Christ is western from one of the 4 divisions of Greece, He crushes and subdues and stomps on and divides the whole earth. Islam would need to conquer the combined armies and technology of the US, England, all of Europe, Australia, NZ, Japan, etc etc etc ( no way Islam overcomes the West which is superior in every way). Islam would need to produce a leader with such qualities of persuasion and charm to roll the intellectual world which is contrary to Ishmael who is a wild man....his hand is against every man and every mans hand is against him. Islam is not noted for its charm and persuasion but quite the contrary. The Jews will accept a Moslem as their Messiah that they have waited 3,000 years for? The anit-Christ will not be a paper mache fabrication conjured up to sell books and seminars and to roll shallow christian leaders and congregates and comfort former muslims with supposed revelancy and significance. He will be an absolute charming and wonderful genius.....he will destroy wonderfully. An Islamic anti-Christ would destroy but he would do it with such gauche, ouch. The anti-Christ will not be Islamic. But! its a great topic with many people and exciting reading for many. However! the anti-Christ is western from one of the 4 divisions of Greece, He crushes and subdues and stomps on and divides the whole earth. Islam would need to conquer the combined armies and technology of the US, England, all of Europe, Australia, NZ, Japan, etc etc etc ( no way Islam overcomes the West which is superior in every way). Islam would need to produce a leader with such qualities of persuasion and charm to roll the intellectual world which is contrary to Ishmael who is a wild man….his hand is against every man and every mans hand is against him. Islam is not noted for its charm and persuasion but quite the contrary. The Jews will accept a Moslem as their Messiah that they have waited 3,000 years for? The anit-Christ will not be a paper mache fabrication conjured up to sell books and seminars and to roll shallow christian leaders and congregates and comfort former muslims with supposed revelancy and significance. He will be an absolute charming and wonderful genius…..he will destroy wonderfully. An Islamic anti-Christ would destroy but he would do it with such gauche, ouch.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/02/07/debunking-the-local-islamic-antichrist-malarky.html#comment-2811 Don Thu, 28 May 2009 00:57:17 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/02/07/debunking-the-local-islamic-antichrist-malarky.html#comment-2811 Who says he will not rule over the Kings of the East? You seem to overlook many passages that say it will be world wide such as Rev 16:12 that say "<em>the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the <strong>way of the kings of the east might be prepared</strong>. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth<strong> unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world</strong>, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." </em> Or 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and <strong>power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.</strong> 8 And <strong>all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life</strong> of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Or <em>9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which <strong>deceiveth the whole world</strong>: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.</em> <em>12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. </em> <strong>I guess you think Satan's angels when they are cast out will be submissive to Islam? Ha!</strong> Or <em>13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And <strong>deceiveth them that dwell on the earth</strong> by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause <strong>that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.</strong> 16 And he <strong>causeth all,</strong> both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that <strong>no man might buy or sell,</strong> save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. </em> Or <em>10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall </em><em>come upon <strong>all the world</strong>, to try them that <strong>dwell upon the earth</strong>.</em> Or all the other passages of the prophets that clearly talk about God judging all nations before the restoration of Israel. Seems to me that you do not know this subject very well so why bother? For example you say Islamic nations will need to sign a peace treaty with Israel? What passage might that Islamic peace treaty be found in? There is no such concept in the Bible. It says "<em>the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall <strong>confirm the covenant with many</strong> for one week: and <strong>in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease</strong></em> The prince is from Rome (from the people that destroyed the temple), the Covenant is not necessarily a peace plan at all, it could have something to do with an agreement on religious worship on the Mount. You believe that Gog is the Antichrist? Nevertheless you believe wrong. The differences between the two wars are many and you really need to find out why. I am not going to educate you here. Try doing a little research (Okay, I will give you just one, the armies meet their destruction in different locations and one is buried and the other is not) The prophets spoke of both the Beast and Gog you need to sort out which is which. Russia and many other nations North of Israel are Orthodox so it is not only Muslims north of Israel. Besides, you talk like the end has to take place next week and everything has to be like you see it today. It will not. The war of Gog is at least a decade off because there is no peace in Israel and there cannot be until after the war of Psalm 83. What is Muslim today could easily join with the Harlot tomorrow after the war against radical Islam and the likely Catholic Marian deceptions. I think your problem is that you are trying to find an Antichrist that will fit your 2012 end time frame. It just is not going to happen that soon. By the time the Antichrist arrives on the scene Islam will just be another leg of the rising ecumenical one world religious Harlot. And I assure you, the hedonistic Western world is never going to submit itself to Islamic law. The ecumenical Harlot will be led by the Roman church. The concept of the hedonistic West being submissive under Muslim law is really laughable. After Satan indwells the Antichrist after he is booted out of heaven he will appeal to all who reject the truth. It will not just be those that are Muslims or any other religion today. More likely the Antichrist will appeal more to those who believe in "New Age" spiritualism. Jesus said why the faithful Jews flee to the mountains. It is because Satan when cast out of Heaven will make war against Israel and the Saints. Satan always hated Israel because the Messiah comes from Israel, sure the hate is reflected in Islam but Islam is only one leg of a very long history of hate that leads all the way back to the Babylonian mystery religion. The Catholic Church hated Israel before Islam and the pagans hated Israel long before that. Nobody is saying that Islam will not play a role in end time events but the wars with Islam will bring the Beast/Antichrist out of the hedonistic lawless West. Who says he will not rule over the Kings of the East? You seem to overlook many passages that say it will be world wide such as Rev 16:12 that say “the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.”

Or

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Or

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

I guess you think Satan’s angels when they are cast out will be submissive to Islam? Ha!

Or

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Or

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Or all the other passages of the prophets that clearly talk about God judging all nations before the restoration of Israel. Seems to me that you do not know this subject very well so why bother?

For example you say Islamic nations will need to sign a peace treaty with Israel? What passage might that Islamic peace treaty be found in? There is no such concept in the Bible. It says “the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease
The prince is from Rome (from the people that destroyed the temple), the Covenant is not necessarily a peace plan at all, it could have something to do with an agreement on religious worship on the Mount.

You believe that Gog is the Antichrist? Nevertheless you believe wrong. The differences between the two wars are many and you really need to find out why. I am not going to educate you here. Try doing a little research (Okay, I will give you just one, the armies meet their destruction in different locations and one is buried and the other is not)

The prophets spoke of both the Beast and Gog you need to sort out which is which. Russia and many other nations North of Israel are Orthodox so it is not only Muslims north of Israel. Besides, you talk like the end has to take place next week and everything has to be like you see it today. It will not. The war of Gog is at least a decade off because there is no peace in Israel and there cannot be until after the war of Psalm 83. What is Muslim today could easily join with the Harlot tomorrow after the war against radical Islam and the likely Catholic Marian deceptions.

I think your problem is that you are trying to find an Antichrist that will fit your 2012 end time frame. It just is not going to happen that soon. By the time the Antichrist arrives on the scene Islam will just be another leg of the rising ecumenical one world religious Harlot. And I assure you, the hedonistic Western world is never going to submit itself to Islamic law. The ecumenical Harlot will be led by the Roman church. The concept of the hedonistic West being submissive under Muslim law is really laughable. After Satan indwells the Antichrist after he is booted out of heaven he will appeal to all who reject the truth. It will not just be those that are Muslims or any other religion today. More likely the Antichrist will appeal more to those who believe in “New Age” spiritualism.

Jesus said why the faithful Jews flee to the mountains. It is because Satan when cast out of Heaven will make war against Israel and the Saints. Satan always hated Israel because the Messiah comes from Israel, sure the hate is reflected in Islam but Islam is only one leg of a very long history of hate that leads all the way back to the Babylonian mystery religion. The Catholic Church hated Israel before Islam and the pagans hated Israel long before that. Nobody is saying that Islam will not play a role in end time events but the wars with Islam will bring the Beast/Antichrist out of the hedonistic lawless West.

]]> By: alan brooks http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/02/07/debunking-the-local-islamic-antichrist-malarky.html#comment-2809 alan brooks Wed, 27 May 2009 22:22:36 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/02/07/debunking-the-local-islamic-antichrist-malarky.html#comment-2809 As far as the Antichrist being global, he will not rule over the kings of the east, so he will not be global. There are many facts which do point towards Islam as being the religion of the Antichrist. First of all, in Daniel 9:27, the Antichrist will sign a treaty with Israel. Who needs to sign a treaty? Islamic nations. Also, who needs to sign a treaty with Israel? Islamic nations. I believe that Gog is the Antichrist. Ezekiel says that he is the one all the prophets have spoken of. And he comes form an Islamic area. A key verse is found in Matthew 24: When you see the Antichrist in the temple, or the abomination that causes desolation, Judea will flee out of town so fast. Why? All through the OT, on the day of the Lord, a northern group of nations is predicted to invade Israel at peace on the day of the Lord. The Antichrist is predicted to invade an Israel at peace. Which nations are north of Israel? Islamic ones! As far as the Antichrist being global, he will not rule over the kings of the east, so he will not be global. There are many facts which do point towards Islam as being the religion of the Antichrist. First of all, in Daniel 9:27, the Antichrist will sign a treaty with Israel. Who needs to sign a treaty? Islamic nations. Also, who needs to sign a treaty with Israel? Islamic nations. I believe that Gog is the Antichrist. Ezekiel says that he is the one all the prophets have spoken of. And he comes form an Islamic area. A key verse is found in Matthew 24: When you see the Antichrist in the temple, or the abomination that causes desolation, Judea will flee out of town so fast. Why? All through the OT, on the day of the Lord, a northern group of nations is predicted to invade Israel at peace on the day of the Lord. The Antichrist is predicted to invade an Israel at peace. Which nations are north of Israel? Islamic ones!

]]> By: Justin http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/02/07/debunking-the-local-islamic-antichrist-malarky.html#comment-1864 Justin Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:01:22 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/02/07/debunking-the-local-islamic-antichrist-malarky.html#comment-1864 In Ecclesiastes 1:9 it states That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun. I guess people cannot learn from other countries mistakes. In Ecclesiastes 1:9 it states That which has been is what will be,
That which is done is what will be done,
And there is nothing new under the sun.

I guess people cannot learn from other countries mistakes.

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