Comments on: Will the Antichrist be a Jew or a Gentile? – A bakers dozen different views. http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html Don Koenig gives his wordviews on world and Church issues that often relate to Bible prophecy Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:49:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-3875 Don Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:34:15 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-3875 The Bible implies that he is a man in several prophecies so he is a man. The answer may be that the man is also possessed by an reincarnating demon. Perhaps the same one that possessed one of the seven kings and Antiochus Epiphanes (the foreshadow of the Antichrist defiling the temple in Jerusalem). As for the resurrection of his body. apparently it will be staged or Jesus will allow it to deceive those who have no love of truth. Since he is not buried and goes directly into the second death I tend to think it is the later. This guy is going to have to be believed to be supernatural if the world is going to believe he is God. The Bible implies that he is a man in several prophecies so he is a man. The answer may be that the man is also possessed by an reincarnating demon. Perhaps the same one that possessed one of the seven kings and Antiochus Epiphanes (the foreshadow of the Antichrist defiling the temple in Jerusalem).

As for the resurrection of his body. apparently it will be staged or Jesus will allow it to deceive those who have no love of truth. Since he is not buried and goes directly into the second death I tend to think it is the later. This guy is going to have to be believed to be supernatural if the world is going to believe he is God.

]]> By: ThePersecuted1 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-3873 ThePersecuted1 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:01:55 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-3873 I'm having trouble believing that he is a man since the book of Revelation says that he is Abaddon the Angel of the Bottomless Pit. If you follow his mentions in this book you end up in Rev. 17 where he is identified as the 8th king who "was" (alive as a king), "is not" (because he's in the Bottomless Pit) and "yet is" (same reason). He WAS a man but is now an angel but still a king (rev. 9:11). When he comes up out of the Bottomless Pit does he: a) Get resurrected b) Stay disembodied as an angel, or... c) Possess some unfortunate soul of mankind? Answer: b ...he stays disembodied. Why? Well, how, can he be born again of a mother being formed in her womb AGAIN if he has already lived and died. We can only die once (Heb. 9:27). So that leaves resurrection as a possibility but then consider this: Who is going to resurrect him? We are told that an angel falls from Heaven to let him out so we would surely have been told ALSO that he would be resurrected at that time but this was not mentioned. In Luke 27:52-53 we are told that the saints were resurrected shortly after the Lord's resurrection. The next resurrection we are told about occurs in Rev. 11:7 which is the result of this very being killing the two witnesses. So that right there skips past his own reemergence from the Bottomless Pit. The next Rev. 20:6 which is called the resurrection of the just. Then there's one more after that which occurs after the Millenium. My point? Nowhere is Abaddon's resurrection mentioned. And yet he is thrown alive into the lake of fire. Is it possible for a human NOT to be resurrected? Well, not under normal circumstances as I've just pointed out, but he is not your average human - he is the Beast King (not that I'm paying homage to him in any way). IF he IS resurrected then HOW?????? Who does it? The Lord said He is the resurrection and the life. But why would he resurrect this being before the just/righteous? We know that his spirit was already in the world and had been released from the Bottomless Pit back in John's time because he said the Antichrist spirit was already in the world - but was this really referring to Abaddon and his cohorts? I am not certain of this. please someone shed some biblical light on this. I’m having trouble believing that he is a man since the book of Revelation says that he is Abaddon the Angel of the Bottomless Pit. If you follow his mentions in this book you end up in Rev. 17 where he is identified as the 8th king who “was” (alive as a king), “is not” (because he’s in the Bottomless Pit) and “yet is” (same reason). He WAS a man but is now an angel but still a king (rev. 9:11). When he comes up out of the Bottomless Pit does he:

a) Get resurrected

b) Stay disembodied as an angel, or…

c) Possess some unfortunate soul of mankind?

Answer: b …he stays disembodied.

Why? Well, how, can he be born again of a mother being formed in her womb AGAIN if he has already lived and died. We can only die once (Heb. 9:27). So that leaves resurrection as a possibility but then consider this: Who is going to resurrect him? We are told that an angel falls from Heaven to let him out so we would surely have been told ALSO that he would be resurrected at that time but this was not mentioned.

In Luke 27:52-53 we are told that the saints were resurrected shortly after the Lord’s resurrection. The next resurrection we are told about occurs in Rev. 11:7 which is the result of this very being killing the two witnesses. So that right there skips past his own reemergence from the Bottomless Pit. The next Rev. 20:6 which is called the resurrection of the just. Then there’s one more after that which occurs after the Millenium.

My point?

Nowhere is Abaddon’s resurrection mentioned. And yet he is thrown alive into the lake of fire. Is it possible for a human NOT to be resurrected? Well, not under normal circumstances as I’ve just pointed out, but he is not your average human – he is the Beast King (not that I’m paying homage to him in any way).

IF he IS resurrected then HOW?????? Who does it? The Lord said He is the resurrection and the life. But why would he resurrect this being before the just/righteous? We know that his spirit was already in the world and had been released from the Bottomless Pit back in John’s time because he said the Antichrist spirit was already in the world – but was this really referring to Abaddon and his cohorts? I am not certain of this.

please someone shed some biblical light on this.

]]> By: nasrani http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2896 nasrani Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:47:55 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2896 It wasn't in response to Doug L. It wasn’t in response to Doug L.

]]> By: nasrani http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2895 nasrani Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:46:58 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2895 Sorry, I had read Doremus' peculiar theory earlier in the comments about Clinton being the Antichrist. It's so absurd I thought it was satire. Sorry, I had read Doremus’ peculiar theory earlier in the comments about Clinton being the Antichrist. It’s so absurd I thought it was satire.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2893 Don Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:46:33 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2893 I confess, I am not sure what you are referring to? I confess, I am not sure what you are referring to?

]]> By: nasrani http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2891 nasrani Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:35:35 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2891 And I thought Doremus was being satirical! :lol: And I thought Doremus was being satirical! :lol:

]]> By: Doug L. http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2889 Doug L. Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:35:19 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2889 Hi Don, I agree with a lot of what you said. Yes, we can look at Daniel 11 and see that Antiochus set up a statue of Zeus in the temple which in Daniel 11 is called the Abomination that makes desolate - which tells us what the Abomination of Desolation will be during the future Antichrist's rule. Antiochus had a religious belief begun by his father that he was the manifestation of Zeus in the flesh. Thus Antiochus felt that he was god. This is the same concept that the Antichrist will claim, with the Abomination of Desolation statue image of himself, being incarnated by Satan, IMO. That way the world in Revelation 13:4 will be worshiping Satan of the living breathing statue without realizing it. btw, I believe that the Antichrist will be a Jew - from the tribe of Judah, not Dan - because the Antichrist has got to be qualified to be the messiah in the eyes of the Jews, whom he will temporarily fool. I also agree with you that the Antichrist will be from a genitle nation, somewhere in Europe IMO. Doug L. Hi Don, I agree with a lot of what you said. Yes, we can look at Daniel 11 and see that Antiochus set up a statue of Zeus in the temple which in Daniel 11 is called the Abomination that makes desolate – which tells us what the Abomination of Desolation will be during the future Antichrist’s rule. Antiochus had a religious belief begun by his father that he was the manifestation of Zeus in the flesh. Thus Antiochus felt that he was god. This is the same concept that the Antichrist will claim, with the Abomination of Desolation statue image of himself, being incarnated by Satan, IMO. That way the world in Revelation 13:4 will be worshiping Satan of the living breathing statue without realizing it.

btw, I believe that the Antichrist will be a Jew – from the tribe of Judah, not Dan – because the Antichrist has got to be qualified to be the messiah in the eyes of the Jews, whom he will temporarily fool.

I also agree with you that the Antichrist will be from a genitle nation, somewhere in Europe IMO.

Doug L.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2834 Don Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:47:32 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2834 What you think are guts and discernment are really incredibly bazaar views indicating that you have a total break from reality. There really were no facts to debate in what you said all I read was nonsense and false accusations. I was not even referring to your Rapture views since that subject would be getting off topic. The timing of the Rapture is not going to be settled in a comment section of a blog or anywhere else for that matter. There are websites that do nothing but discuss that topic. This is not one of them. I know for every point that you bring up that might seem to refute a pretrib Rapture at least two or more points can be brought up refuting yours. Mat 24 has nothing to do with the Rapture because the Bride of Christ was still a mystery at that point. Jesus was talking to all true Jews about the signs of the times just before the end of the age and His physical coming in glory. No! The covenant with many has not happened yet. The concept that it has is totally laughable. The Oslo accords were signed 15 years ago, yet you think that was the seven year covenant with the many? Have you been in a coma for over a decade? You people who think we are already in the last seven years are delusional and that should <strong>again </strong>be proven to you when the great tribulation does not happen on your two year schedule. Just like it did not happen on your year 2000 seven year schedule after the Oslo accords were signed in 1993. However, since I have heard your kind say these things for decades I already know what you will do. You will just adjust the date, make someone else the Antichrist and again say we are already in the 70th week so you can continue your accusations and your preparations to physically fight the Antichrist with his new world order. <strong>So if you really believe this why don't you sell out and give all your money to the poor?</strong> I will tell you why. Because you are spending your money stocking up on arms and supplies to fight the Beast that you think will come in two years. As if that concept is found anywhere in the gospel of Christ! As if you with all your preparations will actually live through this period by your own might! On the contrary it says those who seek to save their lives during that period will lose it and those who lose it for Jesus sake will gain eternal life. Nevertheless, the faithful Church has no reason to go through this trial coming to all that live on earth. We have already obtained eternal life and like Enoch we will be taken out before the judgment on earth. The concept that Bill Clinton is the AntiChrist is beyond the pale! Get real! Get a life! Quit acting like you know things that you know nothing about. You spend your life misleading people and you make Bible prophecy teaching laughable to unbelievers. You are really working against getting the real message out about the soon and imminent return of Jesus. God knows if you just are a straw builder or a deceiver but I assure you that you will answer to Jesus. I am sorry if that sounds harsh but people like you are harming the cause of Christ with your false accusations and you open up Bible prophecy to mockery because the world looks for you loons and hold you up as prime examples in order to discredit sound bible prophecy teachers and those who believe in the soon return of Christ. If you said these things in a decent church you would be rebuked and you will be rebuked here because almost everything you said are nothing but bald faced lies. You know, there really are enough serious issues to discuss. Take your crap elsewhere! What you think are guts and discernment are really incredibly bazaar views indicating that you have a total break from reality. There really were no facts to debate in what you said all I read was nonsense and false accusations.

I was not even referring to your Rapture views since that subject would be getting off topic. The timing of the Rapture is not going to be settled in a comment section of a blog or anywhere else for that matter. There are websites that do nothing but discuss that topic. This is not one of them. I know for every point that you bring up that might seem to refute a pretrib Rapture at least two or more points can be brought up refuting yours. Mat 24 has nothing to do with the Rapture because the Bride of Christ was still a mystery at that point. Jesus was talking to all true Jews about the signs of the times just before the end of the age and His physical coming in glory.

No! The covenant with many has not happened yet. The concept that it has is totally laughable. The Oslo accords were signed 15 years ago, yet you think that was the seven year covenant with the many? Have you been in a coma for over a decade? You people who think we are already in the last seven years are delusional and that should again be proven to you when the great tribulation does not happen on your two year schedule. Just like it did not happen on your year 2000 seven year schedule after the Oslo accords were signed in 1993. However, since I have heard your kind say these things for decades I already know what you will do. You will just adjust the date, make someone else the Antichrist and again say we are already in the 70th week so you can continue your accusations and your preparations to physically fight the Antichrist with his new world order.

So if you really believe this why don’t you sell out and give all your money to the poor? I will tell you why. Because you are spending your money stocking up on arms and supplies to fight the Beast that you think will come in two years. As if that concept is found anywhere in the gospel of Christ! As if you with all your preparations will actually live through this period by your own might! On the contrary it says those who seek to save their lives during that period will lose it and those who lose it for Jesus sake will gain eternal life. Nevertheless, the faithful Church has no reason to go through this trial coming to all that live on earth. We have already obtained eternal life and like Enoch we will be taken out before the judgment on earth.

The concept that Bill Clinton is the AntiChrist is beyond the pale! Get real! Get a life! Quit acting like you know things that you know nothing about. You spend your life misleading people and you make Bible prophecy teaching laughable to unbelievers. You are really working against getting the real message out about the soon and imminent return of Jesus. God knows if you just are a straw builder or a deceiver but I assure you that you will answer to Jesus.

I am sorry if that sounds harsh but people like you are harming the cause of Christ with your false accusations and you open up Bible prophecy to mockery because the world looks for you loons and hold you up as prime examples in order to discredit sound bible prophecy teachers and those who believe in the soon return of Christ. If you said these things in a decent church you would be rebuked and you will be rebuked here because almost everything you said are nothing but bald faced lies.

You know, there really are enough serious issues to discuss. Take your crap elsewhere!

]]> By: jerry doremus http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2832 jerry doremus Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:55:08 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2832 So Don; when a brother has the guts to discern the events of these last days so not to be found asleep or taken by surprise with a current theory , he is labeled delusional and anti-christen. Was my theory way off tract or were your political views offended.Sorry to say but your response sounded like James Carville wrote it, ie don,t debate the facts just attack the messenger. Maybe you missed my point? The current church leaders teach that the tribulation comes after a rapture and it is not true, read Rev:20-4-5. No where in the scriptures does it say that the church does not go through the tribulation. Yeshua points this out in MAT: :24 29-31. This will be the first resurrection at the seventh trump. What I'm trying to point out is the covenant with many has all ready happened 7yrs to the day and we are in the midst of it the OSlo accords, the abomination that makes desolate can come any time. The prince that stood over this covenant was Bill Clinton of the revived Roman Empire the strong leg of Daniels Image. Like all Liberals if he can complete this deal land for peace in the near future he will claim he has been working on it all this time through his global net-work.Scripture states that when the antichrist comes to power he has no power of his own he usurps it., I believe the turmoil the world is experiencing now with the current leader pushing us into the tribulation period in the next two years the demonic party will draft him as they long for the days of his leadership when peace and economics were the day.I do not believe there are 7 years left before the first resurrection and the stage and people to pull this off are in power ,the Clinton machine runs the current leaders administration. This sets the stage for Bill to rule the new world order. So Don; when a brother has the guts to discern the events of these last days so not to be found asleep or taken by surprise with a current theory , he is labeled delusional and anti-christen. Was my theory way off tract or were your political views offended.Sorry to say but your response sounded like James Carville wrote it, ie don,t debate the facts just attack the messenger. Maybe you missed my point? The current church leaders teach that the tribulation comes after a rapture and it is not true, read Rev:20-4-5. No where in the scriptures does it say that the church does not go through the tribulation. Yeshua points this out in MAT: :24 29-31. This will be the first resurrection at the seventh trump. What I’m trying to point out is the covenant with many has all ready happened 7yrs to the day and we are in the midst of it the OSlo accords, the abomination that makes desolate can come any time. The prince that stood over this covenant was Bill Clinton of the revived Roman Empire the strong leg of Daniels Image. Like all Liberals if he can complete this deal land for peace in the near future he will claim he has been working on it all this time through his global net-work.Scripture states that when the antichrist comes to power he has no power of his own he usurps it., I believe the turmoil the world is experiencing now with the current leader pushing us into the tribulation period in the next two years the demonic party will draft him as they long for the days of his leadership when peace and economics were the day.I do not believe there are 7 years left before the first resurrection and the stage and people to pull this off are in power ,the Clinton machine runs the current leaders administration. This sets the stage for Bill to rule the new world order.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2831 Don Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:14:21 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/05/26/will-the-antichrist-be-a-jew-or-a-gentile-a-bakers-dozen-different-views.html#comment-2831 People who call other people the Antichrist before he is revealed are anti Christ. The reason Christians and pastors do not see what you claim is because they are not delusional. What will you slick willy diehards do for an encore? People who call other people the Antichrist before he is revealed are anti Christ. The reason Christians and pastors do not see what you claim is because they are not delusional. What will you slick willy diehards do for an encore?

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