Comments on: Willow Creek leadership conference: The making of a Harlot http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html Don Koenig gives his wordviews on world and Church issues that often relate to Bible prophecy Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:05:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3741 Don Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:50:16 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3741 Nobody said they are not men of good will. Do you really think the world hates its own? <strong>What you failed to mention is that they do not use the riches and the world platforms that God gives them to help the poor, to dispense the gospel of salvation that would also give life to their lost soul</strong>. To whom much is given much is required. Nobody said they are not men of good will. Do you really think the world hates its own? What you failed to mention is that they do not use the riches and the world platforms that God gives them to help the poor, to dispense the gospel of salvation that would also give life to their lost soul. To whom much is given much is required.

]]> By: Mike http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3739 Mike Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:17:50 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3739 Bono, Hybels, Warren and Blaire have an evil agenda for sure. They want to feed the poor, get malaria medicine to thousands dying in Africa, and fight Aids. Be careful that they don't suck you into their hellish plan of fighting poverty. We all just need to invite Jesus into our hearts and watch this sinful world burn in hell. I'm sure God sent those malaria infected mosquitoes to Africa as punishment against their sin. All those orphaned children of parents who died of aids and malaria are probably Satan's spawn anyway. Read Matt. 25:31-46 or Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" if you don't understand what I'm trying to say. Bono, Hybels, Warren and Blaire have an evil agenda for sure. They want to feed the poor, get malaria medicine to thousands dying in Africa, and fight Aids. Be careful that they don’t suck you into their hellish plan of fighting poverty. We all just need to invite Jesus into our hearts and watch this sinful world burn in hell. I’m sure God sent those malaria infected mosquitoes to Africa as punishment against their sin. All those orphaned children of parents who died of aids and malaria are probably Satan’s spawn anyway. Read Matt. 25:31-46 or Jonathan Swift’s “A Modest Proposal” if you don’t understand what I’m trying to say.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3663 Don Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:17:03 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3663 If Bill Hybels and Willow Creek has such a sound bible based program why has he even said that <a href="http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor134.htm" rel="nofollow">his seeker friendly model is a failure</a> and <a href="http://" rel="nofollow">why is he now hobnobbing with heretical all-paths and Emergent leaders</a>? Why does he have conferences and then invite people like Bono and Tony Blair to speak? Tony Blair has a interfaith foundation that promotes a great world Harlot - interfaith religion. You cannot tell a wolf in sheep's clothing by meeting them. You can tell them by what they do with the message of salvation and what they say about Jesus the author of our faith. I am sure Rick Warren and Bill Hybels have plenty of degrees and people with degrees obviously follow them. However, degrees do not seem to help leaders or followers stay on biblical ground. If you do not believe me and Jan Markel about what is going on at Willow Creek I can drop plenty of other names for you that are saying the same thing. As for Christians attacking each other. That is not the real problem here. The problem in Christianity today is that Christians are not holding their leaders accountable in their churches to the word of God. That is because most "Christians" in these churches no longer know the word of God and they also tend to put their pastors on pedestals. The only people holding these national leaders accountable is outsiders that still read the Bible with some understanding. We can find out about the Creeker program from what they themselves publish for the public and their conferences. We do not need to continue to attend your church services to know what is taking place. I am sure there is nothing wrong with their official statement of beliefs . But you won't find the gospel of salvation in the service on Sunday either and you will not find it at their conferences. If you remember, Paul warned us that wolves in sheep clothing would come and told us to check out everything by the word of God. There is nothing more wolfish than Emergent and Interfaith spiritualists with their subtle messages of deception leading the sheep down slippery slopes toward the New Age. By the way, I have visited a Creeker mega church many times over the years. I have yet to hear the gospel of salvation in the Sunday service after it turned Creeker.<strong> But, it was first class entertainment.</strong> Before it became a Creeker church the gospel of salvation was preached within every sermon and literally dozens of people came down for salvation or re-dedication every Sunday. The membership of this mega Church changed almost one hundred percent after it went Creeker. The people who actually read the Bible generally went elsewhere. Going Creeker at Grace Church in St Louis was some improvement! If Bill Hybels and Willow Creek has such a sound bible based program why has he even said that his seeker friendly model is a failure and why is he now hobnobbing with heretical all-paths and Emergent leaders? Why does he have conferences and then invite people like Bono and Tony Blair to speak? Tony Blair has a interfaith foundation that promotes a great world Harlot – interfaith religion.

You cannot tell a wolf in sheep’s clothing by meeting them. You can tell them by what they do with the message of salvation and what they say about Jesus the author of our faith.

I am sure Rick Warren and Bill Hybels have plenty of degrees and people with degrees obviously follow them. However, degrees do not seem to help leaders or followers stay on biblical ground. If you do not believe me and Jan Markel about what is going on at Willow Creek I can drop plenty of other names for you that are saying the same thing.

As for Christians attacking each other. That is not the real problem here. The problem in Christianity today is that Christians are not holding their leaders accountable in their churches to the word of God. That is because most “Christians” in these churches no longer know the word of God and they also tend to put their pastors on pedestals. The only people holding these national leaders accountable is outsiders that still read the Bible with some understanding. We can find out about the Creeker program from what they themselves publish for the public and their conferences. We do not need to continue to attend your church services to know what is taking place.

I am sure there is nothing wrong with their official statement of beliefs . But you won’t find the gospel of salvation in the service on Sunday either and you will not find it at their conferences. If you remember, Paul warned us that wolves in sheep clothing would come and told us to check out everything by the word of God. There is nothing more wolfish than Emergent and Interfaith spiritualists with their subtle messages of deception leading the sheep down slippery slopes toward the New Age.

By the way, I have visited a Creeker mega church many times over the years. I have yet to hear the gospel of salvation in the Sunday service after it turned Creeker. But, it was first class entertainment. Before it became a Creeker church the gospel of salvation was preached within every sermon and literally dozens of people came down for salvation or re-dedication every Sunday. The membership of this mega Church changed almost one hundred percent after it went Creeker. The people who actually read the Bible generally went elsewhere. Going Creeker at Grace Church in St Louis was some improvement!

]]> By: Emily Rahfeldt http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3660 Emily Rahfeldt Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:38:52 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3660 I don't know enough about Rick Warren to comment, however I've attended Willow Creek for the past 6 years, and at various times 18 years ago when I was in high school. Bill Hybels is definitely not a 'wolf in sheep's clothing,' and I take offense and anyone making negative comments about a person when they haven't even met them. Also, these people that are making negative comments haven't seen enough messages or attended enough services to make any comments. I am the daughter of a pastor that attended Wheaton College for Seminary and his master's and also has a Phd. in Theology from Marquette University. He has attended numerious services at Willow Creeek with my sister and I over the years, and has not found Bill Hybels to be the anti-christ, nor has he found the Willow doctrine or statement of beliefs to be anything other than biblically sound. I challenge these people making all the negative comments to come to the South Barrington campus of Willow Creek for the next few months before making any further comments. Don't we all have enough problems without Christians attacking other Christians? Do these people even know the personal sacrifices that Bill Hybels and the original Willow members made to start the church? A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions. Proverbs 18:2 I don’t know enough about Rick Warren to comment, however I’ve attended Willow Creek for the past 6 years, and at various times 18 years ago when I was in high school.

Bill Hybels is definitely not a ‘wolf in sheep’s clothing,’ and I take offense and anyone making negative comments about a person when they haven’t even met them. Also, these people that are making negative comments haven’t seen enough messages or attended enough services to make any comments.

I am the daughter of a pastor that attended Wheaton College for Seminary and his master’s and also has a Phd. in Theology from Marquette University. He has attended numerious services at Willow Creeek with my sister and I over the years, and has not found Bill Hybels to be the anti-christ, nor has he found the Willow doctrine or statement of beliefs to be anything other than biblically sound.

I challenge these people making all the negative comments to come to the South Barrington campus of Willow Creek for the next few months before making any further comments. Don’t we all have enough problems without Christians attacking other Christians? Do these people even know the personal sacrifices that Bill Hybels and the original Willow members made to start the church?

A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.
Proverbs 18:2

]]> By: Betty http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3496 Betty Sat, 26 Sep 2009 04:11:48 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3496 I think we all have to be careful of anyone who interprets God's word. I am not sure that Rick Warren started out with the intent to decieve but I do not know enough about him either way to say for sure. I try very hard to spend time in study after every sermon I hear, because I fear if not I will become lazy and just let someone else interpret for me. Many have and will be deceived because of spritual sloth. I currently attend a church that is a satellite of Saddleback/Willow Creek. I have not seen or heard anything that has given me concern. But I remain alert and ask God daily for discernment, but admit it is not always easy. I fear we may see more and more of this kind of deception in all kinds of churches. It seems to me that the only defense is constant time in prayer and in God's Word. Now is not the time to become complacent: I must remain vigilant. The time may soon come that I am no longer able to access articles like this, or even my bible. I think we all have to be careful of anyone who interprets God’s word. I am not sure that Rick Warren started out with the intent to decieve but I do not know enough about him either way to say for sure. I try very hard to spend time in study after every sermon I hear, because I fear if not I will become lazy and just let someone else interpret for me. Many have and will be deceived because of spritual sloth.

I currently attend a church that is a satellite of Saddleback/Willow Creek. I have not seen or heard anything that has given me concern. But I remain alert and ask God daily for discernment, but admit it is not always easy. I fear we may see more and more of this kind of deception in all kinds of churches. It seems to me that the only defense is constant time in prayer and in God’s Word. Now is not the time to become complacent: I must remain vigilant. The time may soon come that I am no longer able to access articles like this, or even my bible.

]]> By: Chris http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3193 Chris Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:23:35 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3193 Oh. And my wife couldn't read it either. I guess we both had an ounce of discernment! :-) Oh. And my wife couldn’t read it either. I guess we both had an ounce of discernment! :-)

]]> By: Chris http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3192 Chris Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:22:59 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3192 Amen to that. I really tried to read Purpose Driven Life. Both my wife and I had copies and tried to read it before we got married. On day one, I thought this might be borrowing too much from popular self-help, but dismissed it as an aberration. By the end of the first week, I was convinced the whole thing was drivel. I never finished the book and have been distrustful of Warren ever since. Amen to that. I really tried to read Purpose Driven Life. Both my wife and I had copies and tried to read it before we got married. On day one, I thought this might be borrowing too much from popular self-help, but dismissed it as an aberration. By the end of the first week, I was convinced the whole thing was drivel. I never finished the book and have been distrustful of Warren ever since.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3189 Don Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:45:20 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3189 I think Dr. Rick Warren lacks proper understanding of the Bible not knowledge of what it says. Postmodern leaders like him often put meanings on passages that will please the world and their own generation. The CFR is working toward world governance and it sees a role for religion to help bring about that agenda about. That is why certain powerful religious leaders are invited to be members. I think Dr. Rick Warren lacks proper understanding of the Bible not knowledge of what it says. Postmodern leaders like him often put meanings on passages that will please the world and their own generation. The CFR is working toward world governance and it sees a role for religion to help bring about that agenda about. That is why certain powerful religious leaders are invited to be members.

]]> By: Frank http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3188 Frank Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:03:24 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3188 Guitar hero is wicked, no doubt. If you play the guitar well enough, a devil with horns comes up from the back of the stage. Unbelievable that so-called Christians buy this filth for their kids. Parents don't understand that they will be held accountable. To keep this on topic, if Rick Warren knew his Bible, which he doesn't, he wouldn't be conversing with people such as Tony Blair. But then again, Warren IS a member of the wicked Council on Foreign Relations. Guitar hero is wicked, no doubt. If you play the guitar well enough, a devil with horns comes up from the back of the stage. Unbelievable that so-called Christians buy this filth for their kids. Parents don’t understand that they will be held accountable.

To keep this on topic, if Rick Warren knew his Bible, which he doesn’t, he wouldn’t be conversing with people such as Tony Blair.

But then again, Warren IS a member of the wicked Council on Foreign Relations.

]]> By: Clint Stephens http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3181 Clint Stephens Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:46:31 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/08/06/willow-creek-leadership-conference-the-making-of-a-harlot.html#comment-3181 Maybe this is relavent, one time I go to help a youth group at a church and it is one of those stay up all night deals. I look over and these kids have broke out guitar hero. I am not a fan of guitar hero in the first place let alone in a Church setting. I say something about it ,becuase of the music being played and the visuals on the TV screen niether which I thought not to be Christian at all, all the grown folk look at me like I am stupid but a couple of the kids agreed with me that the whole guitar hero was a lil too much "of the world." Maybe this is relavent, one time I go to help a youth group at a church and it is one of those stay up all night deals. I look over and these kids have broke out guitar hero. I am not a fan of guitar hero in the first place let alone in a Church setting. I say something about it ,becuase of the music being played and the visuals on the TV screen niether which I thought not to be Christian at all, all the grown folk look at me like I am stupid but a couple of the kids agreed with me that the whole guitar hero was a lil too much “of the world.”

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