Comments on: Take a chill pill, the world will not end in 2012 in spite of Pagan Mayan, Mahdi, Planet X speculations. http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html Don Koenig gives his wordviews on world and Church issues that often relate to Bible prophecy Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:08:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3868 Don Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:53:12 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3868 declansgood, The prophecy in Hosea was to the nation of Israel I also do not follow the reasoning of the two thousand year time line that you suggest.. Our calenders mark the time since our Lord's birth not His death and even if we went 2000 years from his death that would end about 2033. If we were out of the dispensation of Grace true Christians would not be here. The idea that we are in the tribulation already just does not make sense. I have covered that concept so many times before. For example this post. http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/10/jesus-is-not-coming-to-rule-the-earth-between-2012-2019.html declansgood,

The prophecy in Hosea was to the nation of Israel

I also do not follow the reasoning of the two thousand year time line that you suggest.. Our calenders mark the time since our Lord’s birth not His death and even if we went 2000 years from his death that would end about 2033.

If we were out of the dispensation of Grace true Christians would not be here. The idea that we are in the tribulation already just does not make sense. I have covered that concept so many times before. For example this post.

http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/10/jesus-is-not-coming-to-rule-the-earth-between-2012-2019.html

]]> By: declansgood http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3867 declansgood Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:30:28 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3867 JLDNo Gravatar said » "Christians will not fall for a false messiah because they have the word of God and the holy spirit that will guide them into all truth." However, the apostle Paul said the ver)y opposite:"for that day (of Christ's return) shall not come, except there come a falling away, (or the apostacy of the church age), and the man of sin be revealed, the son of predition." What he and many others seems to be saying is that this day of Christ's return will not happen until Christians have made the world good enough, but the Holy Spirit is saying He will not come until the church and the world is bad enough. JLDNo Gravatar said »

“Christians will not fall for a false messiah because they have the word of God and the holy spirit that will guide them into all truth.”
However, the apostle Paul said the ver)y opposite:”for that day (of Christ’s return) shall not come, except there come a falling away, (or the apostacy of the church age), and the man of sin be revealed, the son of predition.”
What he and many others seems to be saying is that this day of Christ’s return will not happen until Christians have made the world good enough, but the Holy Spirit is saying He will not come until the church and the world is bad enough.

]]> By: declansgood http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3866 declansgood Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:05:45 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3866 I like what Don was saying, we shouldn't allow ourselves to get too caught up in date-setting, but I might not agree with him when it comes to us all being in the Tribulation, because I believe that really is the case because its not just a mere notion in Christian tradition that the length of the Dispensation of Grace and truth would last for just two thousand years, this can also be shown in other ways in prophecies, like Hosea's which no doubt this teaching came into popular knowledge, but there is something else, like for instance the dating of our own calenders which have since ancient times have been day by day, and year by year marking off the time since our Lord's death. The historical fact that nearly the whole world have for two thousand years been marking off the death of Jesus Christ, says quite a lot to me. and as we all know, even if you account for the 7 year mistake in the calender, we are indeed 2 years out of the DIspensation of Grace, and at the start of the Dispensation of Judgement of the Great Tribulation. I like what Don was saying, we shouldn’t allow ourselves to get too caught up in date-setting, but I might not agree with him when it comes to us all being in the Tribulation, because I believe that really is the case because its not just a mere notion in Christian tradition that the length of the Dispensation of Grace and truth would last for just two thousand years, this can also be shown in other ways in prophecies, like Hosea’s which no doubt this teaching came into popular knowledge, but there is something else, like for instance the dating of our own calenders which have since ancient times have been day by day, and year by year marking off the time since our Lord’s death.
The historical fact that nearly the whole world have for two thousand years been marking off the death of Jesus Christ, says quite a lot to me. and as we all know, even if you account for the 7 year mistake in the calender, we are indeed 2 years out of the DIspensation of Grace, and at the start of the Dispensation of Judgement of the Great Tribulation.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3671 Don Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:02:27 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3671 Wow, I am surprised that anyone read the health bill! Even if the health bill is in place in 2013 it will not be a worldwide buy and sell system. But don't get me wrong everything is now heading in that direction. I expect the Beast of Revelation stuff will be fully developed worldwide about 2030. Wow, I am surprised that anyone read the health bill! Even if the health bill is in place in 2013 it will not be a worldwide buy and sell system. But don’t get me wrong everything is now heading in that direction. I expect the Beast of Revelation stuff will be fully developed worldwide about 2030.

]]> By: Lisa http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3668 Lisa Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:33:15 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3668 I don't really want the world to end in 2012, but if the rapture occurs during that time, then I'll be good with that....... isn't it kind of weird tho that science (sans the outwardly false stuff) does speak of some interesting things due to occur to our planet around that time frame...... plus, we've all been crying wolf for so long, it's gotta ring true sometime...... and pg. 1000-1008 of the health care bill does mention the need for an implanted identification device :) to house medical information..... and the goal is to have the health bill in place by 2013...... aren't we supposed to be gone by the time the chip becomes mandatory..... I don't know.... but I'm ready...... anytime. I don’t really want the world to end in 2012, but if the rapture occurs during that time, then I’ll be good with that…….

isn’t it kind of weird tho that science (sans the outwardly false stuff) does speak of some interesting things due to occur to our planet around that time frame……

plus, we’ve all been crying wolf for so long, it’s gotta ring true sometime……

and pg. 1000-1008 of the health care bill does mention the need for an implanted identification device :) to house medical information….. and the goal is to have the health bill in place by 2013…… aren’t we supposed to be gone by the time the chip becomes mandatory…..

I don’t know…. but I’m ready…… anytime.

]]> By: JLD http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3483 JLD Sun, 20 Sep 2009 04:12:02 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3483 2012 is strictly a convergence point. Christians will not fall for a false messiah because they have the word of God and the holy spirit that will guide them into all truth. However the scriptures do say that the whole entire world (Minus Christians.) will eventually follow a "Global" false messiah. So convincing will he be that he will deceive "if possible, even the elect." (Mathew 24:24) All the new age gurus and UFO cults are in sync with 2012. "This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius." and Satan is not one to waste a perfectly good crises. Have you walked outside lately to check the weather? There's a storm coming and weather for 2012 looks perfect. 2012 is strictly a convergence point.
Christians will not fall for a false messiah because they have the word of God and the holy spirit that will guide them into all truth.

However the scriptures do say that the whole entire world (Minus Christians.) will eventually follow a “Global” false messiah.
So convincing will he be that he will deceive “if possible, even the elect.” (Mathew 24:24)
All the new age gurus and UFO cults are in sync with 2012.
“This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.” and Satan is not one to waste a perfectly good crises.

Have you walked outside lately to check the weather?
There’s a storm coming and weather for 2012 looks perfect.

]]> By: Don http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3405 Don Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:27:54 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3405 We have been through this several times before in past history, even as far back as the year 1000. It will not have a positive outcome for some and they will turn bitter. I get emails from bitter people who thought Jesus should have come in 1988 because of certain books and because they say they arraigned their affairs as if that would happen. Now they have become total skeptics and oppose any who teach Bible prophecy and the soon coming of Jesus. We have been through this several times before in past history, even as far back as the year 1000. It will not have a positive outcome for some and they will turn bitter. I get emails from bitter people who thought Jesus should have come in 1988 because of certain books and because they say they arraigned their affairs as if that would happen. Now they have become total skeptics and oppose any who teach Bible prophecy and the soon coming of Jesus.

]]> By: Eduardo http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3402 Eduardo Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:37:05 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3402 It is having a negative effect. A brother on my church is totally convinced that we are now in half way through the fisrts half of the tribulation. I am trying to convince him before he finds out and passes through a great delusion in 2013. It's not a joke. It is having a negative effect. A brother on my church is totally convinced that we are now in half way through the fisrts half of the tribulation. I am trying to convince him before he finds out and passes through a great delusion in 2013. It’s not a joke.

]]> By: Frank http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3396 Frank Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:21:58 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3396 I agree Don. 2012 will come and go like the Y2K scare. Christians that get wrapped up in the Mayan angle will look like idiots. I remember when Jack Van Impe said the rapture was going to happen in 2000. LOL. Funny stuff. I agree Don. 2012 will come and go like the Y2K scare. Christians that get wrapped up in the Mayan angle will look like idiots. I remember when Jack Van Impe said the rapture was going to happen in 2000. LOL. Funny stuff.

]]> By: Joel http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3395 Joel Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:00:54 +0000 http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2009/09/09/take-a-chill-pill-the-world-will-not-end-in-2012-in-spite-of-pagan-mayan-mahdi-planet-x-speculations.html#comment-3395 Don, a whole bunch of people forget just how violent the Mayan people were. Human sacrifices were made to their gods. When they would go on raiding parties the Mayans murdered whole villages. And now these experts in prophecy want me to accept the Mayan calender, because the Mayans had no concept of the year 2013? I know that God has used other cultures and peoples to punish those that have not done what was commanded by God. But I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around this whole Mayan calender thing. What was written in the Bible is what is going to happen, and from what small knowledge I have I see no correlation. Don, a whole bunch of people forget just how violent the Mayan people were. Human sacrifices were made to their gods. When they would go on raiding parties the Mayans murdered whole villages. And now these experts in prophecy want me to accept the Mayan calender, because the Mayans had no concept of the year 2013?

I know that God has used other cultures and peoples to punish those that have not done what was commanded by God. But I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around this whole Mayan calender thing. What was written in the Bible is what is going to happen, and from what small knowledge I have I see no correlation.

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