I was waiting for someone to go on the biblical offensive and get it right about the political forum at Saddleback led be pastor Rick Warren. Coach Dave Daubenmire single handed takes out the whole defensive line of Rick Warren in this article. The Coach really defines in this article the whole problem with this superstar and his whole team.

All I heard from most Evangelical leaders was how great this political forum was but few mentioned that “America’s Pastor” is not even using the Christian playbook, he is using the playbook of the losing team. What gospel was heard from “America’s Pastor”? The gospel of which politician has the best band-aids to fix a nation already condemned without Christ?

To prove once again the weakness of this New Evangelical offense, Rick Warren again gets the opportunity to go on Larry King and again misses the opportunity to share the Gospel to anyone, but Bill Maher goes on Larry King and he fully explains quite aptly to the whole world why he mocks Christianity. Where is the Christian witness of America’s CFR superstar pastor on these world platforms he is given? Where is the call of the nation to repentance? Where is the call to reject evil and to turn to Christ? Is anyone getting this?

Couch Daubenmire skillfully explains in this article how sin causes the aids, the poverty, the abortions and the other social problems in the world. Deal with the sin and you will cure the social problems. Treating the symptoms of what evil produces is not going to fix the world. Some Christians have got their worldly cart before the heavenly white horse rider? Read the article, if you still don’t get it you may be one reason why Rick Warren is still “America’s Pastor”.

Dave Daubenmire — Does Evil Exist?

That was the defining question asked by Pastor Rick Warren at his “Christian” forum the other night.

Even though both candidates disagreed on how evil should be dealt with, both McCain and Obama made it clear that they believe there is such a force.

Seeing how this was a debate involving self-proclaimed Christians, in a Christian church, hosted by a Christian pastor, this was a great opportunity for America’s leading evangelical to define for all America the root cause of our nation’s problems.

Instead, Pastor Warren moved on to climate change, adoption, and other peripheral issues. Perhaps I am wrong, but I would expect “America’s Pastor” to handle the debate in a manner that would reflect the attitude of the Berean Christians who “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Sadly, Pastor Warren looked more like Tom Brokaw than John the Baptist.

How could a Christian pastor not more aggressively defend the Cross? Why are CNN, Time Magazine and the God-hating media fawning over this “evangelical” pastor? Could it be that they love his non-judgmental form of Christianity? Are you aware that Rick Warren is drifting towards an affiliation with “the religious left.” From a political perspective, “left” usually is a synonym for “liberal” or “socialist”, while “right” refers to “conservatives” or “capitalist.” The “left” believes that government is the answer to most of America’s problems, while the “right” believes that government IS the problem.

Government is replacing God and Pastor Warren is leading God’s ouster. The same group that loves to scream “separation of church and state” wants the government to determine morality. Abortion is moral, global warming is immoral. Homosexual sex is moral, lack of AIDS funding is immoral. Shacking up is moral, failure by taxpayers to pay for fatherless children is immoral. Failure to drill for oil is moral, driving a car is immoral.

The religious left wants to treat the symptoms. Our pastors should be fighting to eliminating the cause.

Monday night Rick Warren was on with Larry King. Once again he failed to clearly share the Gospel. Larry King is lost. If I were on his show I would tell him so. I would pin him down. I would make him uncomfortable. He is heading towards a future without God. He would never invite me on the show again. Maybe that’s why Warren swallowed his tongue. The fear of man is a snare…

Last night the God-mocking Bill Maher was Larry’s guest. He made fun of God. He poked fun at Christianity. He is a radical fundamental secularist. He wants God driven from America. He wasn’t worried about offending anyone. He is proud of his agnosticism.

Maher was prouder of his lies than Warren was of God’s Truth. For an hour Maher preached the foolishness of Jesus.

Warren spoke of global warming, AIDS, and adoption. He failed to mention sin. He never talked about the need for repentance and redemption He speaks only of treating symptoms.

Maher thinks Christianity is evil. He doesn’t believe in sin. Warren believes in sin, he just doesn’t think it is evil.

Evil exists alright. The problem we face is how to recognize it. Sadly, before the whole world Warren came up empty. He hid the Light under the bushel of politics.

Sometimes I wonder who the real enemy is.

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What Janet says in this article and her book is going to come to pass if “Christians” do not stop the anti Christian hate speech agenda. Those who love their sins will criminalize anything in Christianity that offends them. If you help elect Obama with his support of hate speech and thought-crime agendas and his stand that is contrary to the Bible on many issues you will have brought it on yourself. Also, if you elect that Liberal to the house or the Senate you will have brought it on yourself.

You can say we are working class, blacks, Catholics etc and we always voted democrat but you had better wake up and realize that this is no longer the party of your daddy. The democrats now represent all anti Christian values. You can’t say you wasn’t warned and that jail cell will not have your name on it it will just have your number.

Or will you just comply with their new laws like Lot and watch your children and grand children and everyone you know join the practices of Sodom and Gomorrah. Be aware that only Lot and his two unmarried daughters escaped the destruction. Where was the rest of his family and all his servants?

A jail cell with your name on it?

You’re a “quiet Christian” who thinks you’ll be safe if you just lie low? That’s exactly what will close your business or your church. Whether you rent rooms like the Knights of Columbus, who were fined $1,000 for not using their facilities to participate in a homosexual “marriage” reception, or are a printer like Scott Brockie, who was fined $5,000 and slapped with $170,000 in legal fees because he didn’t want to print homosexual materials, or the Canadian pastor told to deny his faith and denounce his pro-marriage stand, the ONLY way to keep your freedom is to use it now.

When the church was persecuted in England and Europe, our Founding Fathers came to America for freedom. People still build boats from scrap wood to try to come here for a glimpse of it. America is the last, best hope of the world. If we lose, there is nowhere else to go.

This is not the time for a “protest” vote. And forget about a third party. Because if Barack Obama is elected, with his thought-crimes agenda and support of the redefinition of marriage, the change we see won’t look anything like America.

If you think there is not a threat to Christianity coming in the U.S. look at the bill the Brazilian Senate is considering. It already passed their house without debate. The homosexual perverts not only spread diseases of the body they apparently spread disease of the mind. And here I thought this country was 73 percent Catholic. Does Catholicism have any real moral influence anywhere in the world or is the whole religious act of Catholics just a show?

Brazilian law would prohibit Christian teaching on homosexuality

Rio de Janeiro, Jul 15, 2008 / 01:36 pm (CNA).- The Brazilian Senate is considering a bill approved unanimously and without debate by the country’s House of Representatives that aims to promote homosexuality and prohibit Christian teaching on the issue, under the guise of combating discriminatio

he bill would also impose prison sentences on any kind of moral, ethical, philosophical or psychological expression that questions homosexual practices. In this way, “a priest, a pastor, a teacher or even an average citizen who says in a sermon, a classroom or public conversation that homosexual acts are sinful, disordered or an illness could be denounced and detained,” the association said.

Peter Jones has it right in this article. Pseudo Christianity will again be going to war again against those true Christians who actually believe the Bible. When the youth of those going to the churches of today grow up (many of them already have) will those four percent that still believe the Bible actually be tolerated by Christianity? Of course not. Pseudo Christianity has persecuted the Church before in history and it will do it again. Christianity is now progressing to enable the coming postmodern inquisitions.

The persecution at the fifth seal of Revelation comes from the religious Harlot not the Antichrist because at this point he has not even arrived on the scene. I believe the Trumpet Judgments are the Lamb’s response to a world that persecuted His Saints. Then the religious Harlot in turn will be destroyed by the Beast she rode.

The ostracizing of Bible believing Christians has already started with “Christian” leaders calling believers that hold to the fundamentals of the faith dangerous and biblical doctrine divisive. In the “tolerant” “politically correct” world of the next decade the Bible will be rewritten, and redefined to accommodate sinful lifestyles. They will outlaw uncensored literal interpretations of the Bible that might offend anyone.

At that point those who speak against politically correct sins of society will be charged with hate speech. The truths of the Bible and true Christianity will be replaced with a world harlot religion where everyone is free do what is right in their own eyes as long as they do not offend or proselytize someone else. All world beliefs including paganism will have equal standing but any religion that claims some exclusive way to God or that offends someone’s self esteem will be called intolerant and will be outlawed.

At that point, which is not that far off, there will be no more reason for the true Church to be here on earth.

Christian Worldview Network - Brannon Howse - New “Progressive Christianity”: An Old Liberal Swindle

Much of what Progressive Christians believe fits with the principles of the radical Emergent Village, emerging from Evangelicalism. Indeed, Liberal Progressives intentionally include “the more progressive evangelicals” in their ranks. In their descriptions of a “generous way” of “following Jesus” (not Christ, for Christ is far too “Christian”), the “progressives” echo Brian McLaren’s A Generous Orthodoxy, in which he calls himself “a Jesus follower.” They focus on Jesus as a mystical human being for all the religions. This is not Jesus, the God/man and Savior, for their “progressive” religion denies sin, claims no unique means of salvation, and, like McLaren, accepts all: “believers, agnostics, atheists and all sexual orientations and gender identities.”

Though “all-inclusive,” Progressives abhor the “modern heresy of fundamentalist Christianity.” Though rejecting absolute truth, they define their “god” as “absolute love, justice, and peace,” rejoicing to find their new absolutism in the “godless European Union with its insistence on equal justice for women and gay people.” The absolute mess which is present-day Europe, held up as the ideal for the future of America and the planet, ought to fill us with despair!

Progressives are euphoric as they ride a new social wave of all-inclusive social justice globalism, for it provides a timely pretext to justify their basic unbelief about the Christian Gospel. With undisguised optimism they believe their time has come, in two ways:

1. they rejoice in the theological implosion of historic Christianity, and, for the good of the planet, you understand, salivate over the fact that only “four percent of Bible believing teenagers will be Bible-believing Christians as adults”;

2. they are eager to capitalize on, and I quote, “a historic opportunity to seize the country’s foundational narratives about itself, and recast them in a way that opens doors to the [global] future we seek.” Is this what the political Left, which also now describes itself as “progressive” and claims to be “Christian,” really means by “change”?

As the third millennium began, Frederic Baue (The Spiritual Society) predicted the coming of “a phase of Western or world civilization that is innately religious but hostile to Christianity…or worse, a dominant but false church that brings all of its forces to bear against the truth of God’s Word.”

Is “Christian” liberalism beginning to join with spiritual pagans and activist courts, to demonize, marginalize, and ultimately silence the biblical message by defining the Gospel as a global hate crime?

Due to overwhelming interest on my Oprah and Tolle Blog post I am posting another opinion of Tolle’s “A New Earth” book.
The teaser quotes that I am putting below is just a small sample of the articles. I cannot do justice to Debra Rae’s article here you have to read the full articles.

I just want to make it clear to everyone that Tolle’s teaching in ” A New Earth” is totally contrary to the fundamental truths of Christianity and Christian Orthodoxy. It is Old Age and New Age paganism originated with the lie of the Serpent and man’s rebellion. It first reared its ugly head in force at Babylon. Those that embrace and promote Tolle’s satanic views are certainly in danger of eternal damnation.

If you have a problem with my statement read this article because Debra Rae will clearly tell you what is wrong with Tolle’s message so there is no need for me to repeat it.

If you actually read the article and you still have a problem with what I said. It just shows that you are still dead in your sins, not knowing Christ. You therefore need to get saved. Here is everything you need to know about how to be saved.  So there is no need for me to repeat the salvation message to any Tolle supporters who read this post either. Just read my article.

If you respond making it clear to me they you did not even read Debra Ray’s articles (or my article if you support Tolle) your comment will be deleted.

If you respond by attacking me for presenting this article or for what I said in this comment. I now give you fair warning that your comment will be deleted and you will be banned from this Blog. If you have a problem with what Ray said contact Debra Ray. If you have a problem with what I said even after you read my salvation article. Tough!

This post is here for Christian eduction purposes. It is not to start a debate with every New Age believer in the Internet Universe. That will also shortly stop on other such posts.

Debra Rae — Only Imagine Tolle’s New Earth, Part 1
Debra Rae — Only Imagine Tolle’s New Earth, Part 2

In A New Earth, Eckhart Tolle contends that “no situation or event is ever really finished,” and the “only place of power” is the present moment. By avowing “no heaven, no hell, just now,” purportedly enlightened folks, as he, presume to wriggle free from accountability to a righteous God. In effect, these become self-proclaimed laws unto themselves.

This mindset is not new. Humanist Manifestos assert that false hope of “heaven hereafter” is unreasonable and, therefore, harmful.

Notwithstanding, secular and cosmic humanists alike actively reject and attempt to eradicate traditional theism. To Tolle, the sacred Name of God is attributed to a company of highly evolved masters (Jesus among them), each of whom claims transcendent consciousness and common divinity with all life—in Motulsky’s words, “fallible humans with total power.”

To dispute this fallacy, one need only recall the burning bush, through which YHWH revealed to Moses His Name, I AM that I AM. When Jesus ascribed to himself equal I-AM status, his captors fell backward under its power. It stands to reason that Jesus was either God Incarnate—the way, truth and life, as he claimed to be—or he was an unsurpassed liar. In either case, Jesus was not merely “a good man” or, as the case may be, “an ascended master” (Tolle’s assertion).

Not only does he demote the one whose name is above all names, Tolle promotes Self to “Godhood”—namely, the Source, Divine Life Essence, “formlessness” (or spirit). Unbeknownst to many New-Earth enthusiasts, his creed rehashes a spirit-channeled revelation of Theosophist-medium Alice Bailey, probably the most notable founder of contemporary New Age mysticism.

In Tolle’s misguided view, Christ is every man and woman. True, he references “universal law,” but Tolle ascribes the Ten Commandments as necessary only for those cut off from their own “I AM”-ness. Note that it was not Tolle, but rather co-Masonic Hierarch Alice Bailey who conceptualized and coined the term for this—namely, “Christhood.” This, my friend, exceeds folly. It is blasphemy. For such arrogance, even the angel Lucifer was cast in shame from heaven!

The Gospel according to Tolle further asserts that belief in Christianity as ultimate Truth serves ego by creating “an illusory sense of superiority.” Never mind that self-proclaimed “spiritual leader” Eckhart Tolle boasts his own pantheistic Self-deification! Although both opposing worldviews presuppose “union with the divine,” Christians alone bow the knee, acknowledge their sin and accept unmerited favor from a merciful, personal God to whom they remain accountable. In contrast, Tolle and followers grasp for themselves Godhood itself.

One of these two mindsets most certainly creates the “illusory sense of superiority,” but it’s plainly not the way of the Cross.

In Tolle’s world, when advanced, highly evolved humans seize “Presence power,” their consciousness shifts from the illusory “sweet by and by” to power-packed Presence. No longer are they hindered by the “mental idolatry” of blissful eternity with “our God.” They have instead come to accept their common divinity with all of Life. Having triumphed over matter by self-mastery, the fully “conscious” trade their tradition-bound “phantom selves” for their purported “I AM”-ness.

Achieving mastery qualifies awakened adepts to act as “Custodians of the Plan” and to watch over and even guide all of humanity’s spiritual progress. In so doing, these work hard to extinguish forces of darkness/evil—i.e., Jews and Christians. The desired outcome is for the old “Piscean Age” with its obsolete traditionalism to give way to an anticipated “Age of Aquarius,” marked by promises of peace, harmony and brotherhood.

Debra Rae — Only Imagine Tolle’s New Earth, Part 2
Regretfully, “A New Earth” à la Tolle counterfeits the “real deal”—that being, the impending Millennial Rule of Christ on earth. In effect, Tolle’s “New Earth” exchanges the closest thing to utopia since the Garden of Eden for what the apostle Paul has aptly labeled an outright lie.

Then again, Tolle has his own take on sanity and wellness: To resist evolutionary emerging consciousness is plain-and-simple insanity, and to embrace traditional belief systems is to be unwell. Proclaiming “My God” or “our God” is what he demeans as “a mental idol,” thus making oneself “right” and others “wrong.”

In fact, Tolle predicts that rigid belief structures like biblical Christianity are destined to collapse.

In Tolle’s world, global unity is perceived as imperative to proper flow of the god-force. Once humanity takes a “quantum leap” to its higher destiny, mystical powers and psychic ability will flourish; however, the reluctant may need to be removed to a nonphysical dimension, where their karma can catch up before they are allowed back to the physical plane!

Tolle characterizes Christianity as divisive and prohibitive. This, he claims, creates “an illusory sense of superiority” not to be found in New-Earth consciousness, but then Tolle clearly distinguishes between the “conscious” and the “unconscious,” “the perfect” and the “not-so-perfect.”

Bottom line: There’s no need for pie-in-the-sky imaginings when biblical Christianity outright delivers in the here-and-now and also throughout eternity. The redeemed in Christ can bank on it, and “whosoever will” are invited

Yep, right here in the good old USA in once conservative Christian Colorado they have criminalized Christianity. I think it is time to get the tar and feathers ready. Some politicians and special interest groups in the U.S. are simply going to have to be dealt with or it will continue to spread across the land like the plague. If you want to know how serious this is just read the last sentence of this section in the law. If they do not even desire what you said you can be arrested.

Go ahead: Arrest me

Censorship. Book burning. The Criminalization of Christianity. It’s here and it’s now the law in the state of Colorado.

The Ku Klux Klan can march. The Nazis can hand out brochures. Skinheads can do whatever it is that Skinheads do. But in the state of Colorado, the only group who is NOT allowed to be heard is … the Christians. They’re the ones who disagree with same-sex marriage, cohabitation, and believe the biblical view that homosexuality is a sin. But if they voice that objection from now on, it had better be inside the four walls of a church. If not, they’ll be staring at the four walls of a prison cell … for up to a year.

No kidding.

You see, Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter signed into law SB 200 and turned public restrooms and locker rooms into a predator paradise where men can enter (and shower in) any female public facility in the state. You’d think that would be as bad as it gets – but wait: Section 8 of that same bill claims to trump the First Amendment:

Section 8. 24-34-701. Publishing of discriminative matter forbidden. No person, being the owner, lessee, proprietor, manager, superintendent, agent, or employee of any place of public accommodation … shall publish, issue, circulate, send, distribute, give away, or display in any way, manner, or shape or by any means or method, except as provided in this section, any communication, paper, poster, folder, manuscript, book, pamphlet, writing, print, letter, notice, or advertisement of any kind, nature, or description that is intended or calculated to discriminate or actually discriminates against … SEXUAL ORIENTATION, marital status … in the matter of furnishing or neglecting or refusing to furnish to them or any one of them any lodging, housing, schooling, or tuition or any accommodation, right [marriage], privilege [adoption], advantage, or convenience … on account of … SEXUAL ORIENTATION, marital status … [which] is unwelcome or objectionable or not acceptable, desired, or solicited.

Forget my book. Another far more important book just got banned in Colorado: the Bible. Don’t believe me? Take a look at Leviticus 18, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6 and 1 Timothy 1. There’s a bunch more verses, and they all just became illegal

The quotes are some excerpts from Debra Rae on “Only Imagine Tolle’s New Earth, Part 1″ It looks like it is going to be a very good series.

For those into Tolle’s recycled and refined New Age religion I want you to only imagine homonoeticus living forever in the Lake of Fire. Tolle and Oprah are only telling you a rehash of the same lie that the Serpent told Eve from the beginning, “That you can become like God”. No you can’t! You can become a very prideful deceived human like these two have become, believing that they are evolving into a superior race (homonoeticus). Believing Tolle’s nonsense will really only evolve you into a eternal place in the Lake of Fire.

If you read this article you will know why they hate Bible believing Christians and why they really want us dead and why people who think like them will be the force behind Christian and Jewish persecution in the future. Its because we will not worship them as homoneticus masters and we will try to stop them from deceiving others in the world by telling them the truth.

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Notwithstanding, secular and cosmic humanists alike actively reject and attempt to eradicate traditional theism. To Tolle, the sacred Name of God is attributed to a company of highly evolved masters (Jesus among them), each of whom claims transcendent consciousness and common divinity with all life—in Motulsky’s words, “fallible humans with total power.”

In Tolle’s misguided view, Christ is every man and woman. True, he references “universal law,” but Tolle ascribes the Ten Commandments as necessary only for those cut off from their own “I AM”-ness. Note that it was not Tolle, but rather co-Masonic Hierarch Alice Bailey who conceptualized and coined the term for this—namely, “Christhood.” This, my friend, exceeds folly. It is blasphemy. For such arrogance, even the angel Lucifer was cast in shame from heaven!

As evidenced in A New Earth, this burgeoning sect of evolutionary cosmic consciousness is allowed rigidity of expression that by no means is afforded traditionalists. For espousing absolutism analogous to those advanced by Tolle, Bible-believing Christians are to be feared. Their dogma allegedly represents a “mental dysfunction” perpetuating separation and conflict; therefore, Christians are (in Tolle’s word) “dangerous.” After all, he explains, the history of Christianity provides a “prime example” of how biblical dogma “corrupts to the point of insanity.”

Achieving mastery qualifies awakened adepts to act as “Custodians of the Plan” and to watch over and even guide all of humanity’s spiritual progress. In so doing, these work hard to extinguish forces of darkness/evil—i.e., Jews and Christians. The desired outcome is for the old “Piscean Age” with its obsolete traditionalism to give way to an anticipated “Age of Aquarius,” marked by promises of peace, harmony and brotherhood.

Said adepts comprise a superior species (homonoeticus) whose quantum leap to “consciousness” has fitted them for presumably higher levels of existence in the esoteric

What is now in Canada will be coming here during the next administration when the Left passes their hate speech laws. Pastors and Christians will be fined, and ministries and websites will be shut down just for taking biblical positions against blatant amorality.

So then it will come down to do we obey ungodly government laws ramrodded into law by the godless perverted far left or do we obey God and continue to teach the truth in love. If Christians obey God instead of man, persecution is coming to America much sooner then you might think and so will the civil backlash from those in America who believe in trying to maintain moral codes in their communities.

I hope you are ready for all this because many of you ‘Christians” are the ones voting for people who will bring in these laws that will muzzle the preaching the gospel.

Government to pastor: Renounce your faith!

The Canadian government has ordered a Christian pastor to renounce his faith and never again express moral opposition to homosexuality, according to a new report.

In a decision handed down just days ago in the penalty phase of the quasi-judicial proceedings run by the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal, evangelical pastor Stephen Boisson was banned from expressing his biblical perspective of homosexuality and ordered to pay $5,000 for “damages for pain and suffering” as well as apologize to the activist who complained of being hurt.

According to a report from Pete Vere at the Catholic Exchange, the penalty could foreshadow the possible fate of Father Alphonse de Valk, who also has cited the biblical perspective on homosexuality in the nation’s debate over same-sex “marriage” and now faces HRC charges.

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And as for the future, she wrote:

“Mr. Boissoin and The Concerned Christian Coalition Inc. shall cease publishing in newspapers, by e-mail, on the radio, in public speeches, or on the Internet, in future, disparaging remarks about gays and homosexuals. Further, they shall not and are prohibited from making disparaging remarks in the future about … Lund or … Lund’s witnesses relating to their involvement in this complaint. Further, all disparaging remarks versus homosexuals are directed to be removed from current Web sites and publications of Mr. Boissoin and The Concerned Christian Coalition Inc,” the lawyer opined.

Andreachuk also ordered Boissoin to apologize for the original letter in the Red Deer Advocate and told the two “offenders” to pay $5,000.

The apology letter, Vere said, “threatens civil liberties in Canada, according to Ezra Levant, an author and lawyer who himself was targeted by an HRC attack.”

“[The] government now believes that if it can’t convince a Christian pastor that he’s wrong, it will just order him to condemn himself?” Levant wrote on his blog. “Other than tribunals in Stalin’s Soviet Union and Mao’s China, where is this Orwellian ‘order’ considered to be justice?”

“This is like a Third World jail-house confession – where accused criminals are forced to sign false statements of guilt,” Levant wrote. “We don’t even ‘order’ murderers to apologize to their victims’ families. Because we know that a forced apology is meaningless. But not if your point is to degrade Christian pastors.”

“In essence, the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal is ordering to the minister to renounce his Christian faith, since his opposition to homosexuality is based upon the Judeo-Christian Bible,” Vere wrote.

This article is a must read for all Christians. Are Christians going to allow the government to continue to indoctrinate their children and then wonder why none of them are coming to Christ?

Over half the Southern Baptists churches have not baptized one youth because the gospel is not being taught to them in church or at home and parents have almost totally lost control of their kids.

There is a Southern Baptist Convention this coming week and a resolution that will deal with this issue. Will the SBC actually take some strong action? My view is that they will not because most of the church in America has already lost its savor or they would not be electing amoral candidates to high office who promote this amorality. I hope the Baptists prove me wrong!

Warning to Baptists: Turn or burn

The largest Protestant denomination in America, the Southern Baptists, is sending representatives from thousands of churches to convene in Indianapolis for the 151st session of the Southern Baptist Convention on June 10 and 11. The church is in crisis. Outgoing president Rev. Frank Page estimates that only half of Southern Baptist churches will still exist two decades from now.

The decline appears to be particularly acute among young people in the church. In 2005 alone, 55 percent of Southern Baptist churches baptized no youths, according to Ed Stetzer with the North American Mission Board.

Rick Hughes, Baptist State Convention of North Carolina senior consultant for discipleship, states, “We must face the fact that much of the American church is declining for a very biblical reason: We have failed to be and make disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ.”

That lack of meaningful evangelism starts in the home. Christians are doing a poor job of discipling their own children. Eight-five percent of their public schooled children abandon the faith by the time they leave for college, while only 2 percent of their homeschooled students leave. A pro-homosexual author stated, “Whoever captures the kids owns the future.” And he wasn’t kidding. Whoever owns the children owns the future of neighborhoods, cities, states, nations and, yes, our churches.

The church attrition rate is not surprising. Public school children receive almost 11,000 hours of secular indoctrination from kindergarten through their senior year compared with only 264 hours spent in meaningful conversation with their parents within the same 12-year period. And while Southern Baptists have hired more youth group leaders than ever before in past decades, the number of youth being baptized has fallen dramatically.

So far, the majority of Southern Baptists have refused to acknowledge that their children are being soul murdered in the public schools. Parents scratch their heads dumbfounded as to why their children are abandoning the church in droves, and yet the answer is obvious.

What is God’s bidding? Is it for Christians to leave their children in schools where their innocence is shattered to bits? Where they are encouraged to choose their own perverted sex variant?

According to Baucham and Shortt, there is a solution that could result in explosive growth for the church while extending missions into communities nationwide. Implementing it would require the church to inform parents about what is happening in their children’s schools and offer a way out – an exodus. And the time is right. As the resolution states, “This may be the most significant opportunity for evangelism that we have ever seen” as flocks of unbelievers searching for a better education system come to our door.

Is the Southern Baptist Church serious about genuine spiritual growth? Is it truly concerned about outreach to children “captured” by deviants working through the government school system?

This year’s convention will tell.

Whoever owns the hearts and minds of our children owns the future.

People are already being charged with hate crimes in Canada and Europe for just expressing their Christian beliefs and what the Bible says. In the next administration in the U.S. you can be sure they will pass similar hate crimes legislation here. You also can be sure that there will be many pervert groups and Islamic groups on witch hunts to find people to target under the new laws. Then many “Christians” in this nation can be so proud that they did nothing and ignorantly voted for politicians who will nullify the Bill of Rights.

Canada and Europe already have bureaucratic tribunals to prosecute Christian speech and it will soon be coming here thanks to many of you.

Priest investigated for quoting Bible

A priest is being investigated as a potential criminal under a federal “hate crimes” law for quoting from the Bible, and he’s being targeted using a Canadian provision under which no defendant ever has been acquitted, according to a new report.

Pete Vere, a canon lawyer and Catholic journalist, has reported on the prosecution of Father Alphonse de Valk, a pro-life activist known across Canada, by the Canadian Human Rights Commission – “a quasi-judicial investigative body with the power of the Canadian government behind it” – at CatholicExchange.com.

“What was Father de Valk’s alleged ‘hate act’?” Vere wrote.

“Father defended the [Catholic] Church’s teaching on marriage during Canada’s same-sex ‘marriage’ debate, quoting extensively from the Bible, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and Pope John Paul II’s encyclicals. Each of these documents contains official Catholic teaching. And like millions of other people throughout the world and the ages – many of whom are non-Catholics and non-Christians — Father believes that marriage is an exclusive union between a man and a woman,” he wrote.

The new case comes just as columnist and author Mark Steyn, and Maclean’s magazine which published an excerpt from his “America Alone” book, are on trial before the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal for similar “offenses.”

The big mistake America and the West made was letting the homosexual demons out of the closet. Now how do you get them back in? They are in rebellion against the Creator and they are going to do everything they can to disrupt God’s natural moral order. That is why judgment soon follows.

When the Liberals take over our government this year they will soon pass laws that muzzle any criticism of homosexual ways and they will force their perverted views to be taught to your children. So the real question is why have you voted for people in government that you know will bring these laws upon you?

If you elect leaders who do not take the Bible literally and who will take your free speech away from you and force amorality on our society, you are the real problem. What you will see unleashed on our society in the coming years is just the results of your own sin, because none of this could have happend without your support. If you vote for those who oppose biblical morality you are to blame for the society you get. It is not just the radicals pushing the envelope, the real problem is you. Read what Marsha West has to say on this subject in the link below

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Marsha West — Defend your values, while you still can

Should Christians concern themselves with this contentious issue? Gary Bauer, president of American Values, thinks so. In his May 16 End of the Day Report, Bauer said flatly that he’s deeply worried that American’s free speech and religious liberty is at stake:

“First Amendment freedoms…are jeopardized if the milittant homosexual rights movement and its liberal allies in Congress succeed in passing so-called so-called ‘hate crimes’ legislation. They cloak their demands in the rhetoric of ‘tolerance’ and ‘civil rights,’ but their aim is forced acceptance and your job could be next. Speak up now and defend your values, while you still can!”

Is it is essential for the Church to present a clear message on the issue of sexual immorality? Yes! Problem is, many Christians are woefully ignorant of what the Bible teaches on the subject, so they’re ill equipped to argue their case. But this is only part of the problem. Excuse my bluntness, but one of the biggest problems in postmodern churches is that “Christians” are too timid to stand up for what they say they believe in. They seem more concerned about being labeled “unloving” than speaking the truth in love! So instead of exercising God’s power over evil, they succumb to the power of Satan. Why, pray tell, would a spirit-filled Christian fear facing off with a liar?

One of the main problems in the world today is that once the tyrants and control freaks get in power there is no way to get them out of power. They have all the weapons and they pay the police forces. So with that in mind, tyranny is going to increase on earth. The tyrants already rule over at least one third of the population of the earth and tyranny in most of the other two thirds is under development.

When you disarm a nation you also make its citizens defenseless against the tyrants in government that will eventually arise. We should learn that lesson well.

The Liberal idealist’s view of a progression to a socialist new world order on earth is just a fantasy. What is much more likely is a new world order of tyrants that will oppress the people

Pray for the Christians in Zimbabwe, Sudan, Burma, China, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia and many other nations where they are under active persecution and be very careful about any constitutional freedoms that you are willing to give up to government. Tyranny will begin to happen here against Christians when subjective hate speech laws are passed and you can bet on that happening under the next adminstration.

Zimbabwe’s rulers unleash police on Anglicans - International Herald Tribune

JOHANNESBURG: The parishioners were lined up for Holy Communion on Sunday when the riot police stormed the stately St. Francis Anglican Church in Harare, Zimbabwe’s capital. Helmeted, black-booted officers banged on the pews with their batons as terrified members of the congregation stampeded for the doors, witnesses said.

A policeman swung his stick in vicious arcs, striking matrons, a girl and a grandmother who had bent over to pick up a Bible dropped in the melee. A lone housewife began singing from a hymn in Shona, “We will keep worshiping no matter the trials!” Hundreds of women, many dressed in the Anglican Mothers’ Union uniform of black skirt, white shirt and blue headdress, lifted their voices to join hers.

Under the name of the Bible Literacy Project they will bring in every kind of brainwashing deception into the schools. The textbook they use is called “The Bible and its Influence” and it undermines the Bible’s authority and demeans and debases the God of the Bible. Do not support this deceptive project in your schools. Haters of Christianity have now gone from just banning the Bible to a very deceptive attempt to destroy is very foundations and replace it with global spirituality.

The deception of the Bible Literacy Project - CWN

Virtually banned from American schools in the early ’60s, the Bible has faced a rising onslaught of wrath, ridicule and legal assaults. So, why after all these years would liberal opponents suddenly turn and support a textbook titled, “The Bible and Its Influence”? Why such enthusiastic acclaim for a controversial curriculum published for public schools by the Bible Literacy Project?

The answer may lie behind a man by the name of Charles Haynes, a key player in the work of the Bible Literacy Project.

The textbook by the Bible Literacy Project, “The Bible and Its Influence,” incorporates the Hegelian dialectic process outlined in “Finding Common Ground: A First Amendment Guide to Religion and Public Education” by Charles Haynes and ACLU author/lawyer Oliver Thomas. Thus, schoolchildren learn “about the Bible” through a pre-planned group process that twists the Bible into the evolving ideals of the planned global spirituality.

Georg Hegel was an occultist whose philosophy laid the foundation for communist brainwashing. We need to grasp the basics of his dialectic process to equip our children to resist his fast-spreading “education” method. It is used in schools and public forums to shape the people’s thoughts and morph the masses to a new kind of community.

The atheists are in vogue again. Just like there were in the past when atheism and evil philosophies rose in the world. We must be heading toward a new demonic deception and these delusional God haters are helping to set the stage. This is a good article that puts their stupid arguments in the proper trash receptical.

What Triggered Such a Sudden Onslaught of Hard-Core, Mean-Spirited Atheistic Propaganda? - CWN

The evidence clearly shows that many of our institutions of higher leaning are cesspools of atheism and hotbeds of radicalism, including sexual radicalism. It’s as though we’re reliving the pre-French and pre-Bolshevik revolutionary eras.

Prior to the French Revolution, atheism was rampant throughout the nation along with the sexual radicalism of the Marquis de Sade, Mirabeau, Jean-Paul Marat and the Jacobins, Robespierre, etc.

The same was true during the years preceding the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. Communism was founded on the atheism and socialism of Marx and Lenin with Darwin’s evolutionary theory thrown in for spice. Remember that it was Marx who wrote Engels saying, “During . . . the past four weeks I have read . . . Darwin’s work on Natural Selection . . . this is the book which contains the basis in natural science for our view.”

Now we are being assaulted with what is sometimes labeled “New Atheism.” Paul Kurtz’s Center for Inquiry, for example, is conducting a summer institute for young atheists entitled “The Journey From Religion to Science.” One of their course descriptions reads, “Contemporary issues in secular studies; multisecularism, desecularization and the ‘new atheism.’”

In reality, however, there are no new arguments for atheism. Unless “new atheism” means “new atheists,” it’s a misnomer. The arguments that the French and Communist atheists had in their quiver generations ago are the very same arguments Dawkins, Hitchens, Dennett, and Harris (DHDH) have in their quiver. It seems each generation is called upon to face the same issues, and the question of God’s existence is a perennial.

Because we, too, must face the issue of atheism head-on, let me recommend the four books listed at the top of this article by Aikman, Berlinski, Day, and Lennox (ABDL). These authors handle all the major arguments, accusations, and assertions of the new atheist crowd. Indeed, it’s as if we have two law firms bidding for the hearts and minds of this generation. And so they are because ideas have consequences. Theism and atheism have consequences.

Make no mistake about it Oprah and Tolle are setting the foundation for the coming persecution of true believers in Jesus Christ and Jehovah. Their satanic religion promotes the removing of all those who will not become part of the One universal consciousness. They will intend to kill us for the sake of their satanically inspired community and think they will be doing us and the world community a favor by doing so.

This teaching is not new. It has always been the teaching of New Age for many decades. Tolle and Oprah have just used their influence to popularize it under a new cover. It has always been their answer for any Rapture as well. They will say the collective mind just removed the “Neanderthals” from the earth so the “spiritually enlightened” could evolve into a higher consciousness and bring utopia on the earth.

There will soon come a day soon when those deceived by people like Oprah and Tolle will get to carry out their plan. If you look at all of what else is going on globally to set the stage for these global agendas you should understand that it it will all happen in the lifespan of this generation.

‘Does Winfrey Ride The Beast?’ - Frederick Meekins - Apr 25, 08

More importantly, by undermining individuality as in the case of Hinduistic New Age spirituality (atman is brahman) by claming that we are just a temporary cellular manifestation of the One Consciousness, when the time comes those accustomed to this mindset won’t have all that much of a problem with mass roundups and ultimately executions of those doing nothing more that questioning the worldview of those holding power. After all, one does not lament the removal of an infected hangnail or the cutting of hair since such an act benefits the overall body — or as in the case of the global community — the One Consciousness as Tolle calls it.

Such wayward intellects, according to Tolle, have failed to evolve to the point of enlightenment and “identify only with their own physical and psychological form”. Thus, for the sake of the COMMUNITY, it is imperative that such impediments be removed. Besides, doing such really wouldn’t be wrong (a concept itself outdated and bigoted since transcendent absolute standards don’t exist anyway) since distinct individuals don’t really exist and by hastening their return to the universal consciousness one may in fact be doing them a favor by expediting them onwards towards their next incarnation.

Paul Verhoevenand and co-biographer Paul Verhoevenand claimed to have written the most realistic portrayal of Jesus ever published. Yeah, like they were there and seen Mary get raped and know something about Jesus that history has not already revealed. The only reliable portrayals of Jesus are in the gospels from eye witnesses of those events given in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They have withstood ever test in contrast to these unorthodox blasphemies by demonic fools that reflect delusions of their sick minds. It might be laughable if people were not so gullible. This is just more blasphemy for the end times from the self enlightened haters of truth.

FOXNews.com - ‘Basic Instinct’ Director Paul Verhoeven: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - Celebrity Gossip | Entertainment News | Arts And Entertainment

In his upcoming biography of Jesus, “Basic Instinct” director Paul Verhoeven will make the shocking claim that Christ probably was the son of Mary and a Roman soldier who raped her during the Jewish uprising in Galilee.

in addition to suggesting that the Virgin Mary may have been a rape victim, the book will also say that Christ was not betrayed by Judas Iscariot, one of the 12 original apostles of Jesus, as the New Testament states.

Catholic League President Bill Donohue called Verhoeven’s claim about Mary “laughable.”

“Here we go again with idle speculation grounded in absolutely nothing,”

In California they just keep bringing defeated anti Christian bills back until they find a way to get them passed. Here is another attempt to make spanking criminal.

West Coast ’spanking ban’ bill returns (OneNewsNow.com)

The pro-family lobby Capitol Resource Family Impact says the new version of a recycled bill promoting a “spanking ban” from last year’s session of the California legislature would place any parent who spanks his or her child on four-years minimum probation and force the parent to attend a “non-violent parental education class.”

AB 2943, introduced by Assemblywoman Sally Lieber, would also give the child a criminal court protective order “protecting the victim from further acts of violence or threats.” Capitol Resource Family Impact (CRFI) says it is essentially identical to last year’s AB 755, the highly-publicized measure that drew enough national attention for it to be defeated because of the outrage of parents.

How does American Idol just change the words of a song? How do you force the singers to sing Shepherd instead of Jesus? I would think that if the song was edited by American Idol and was not the voice of the singers they should be sued. How do you make singers sing both shepherd and Jesus? Seems to me that the singers kowtowed here. I would also think that the writer of the song could and should sue American Idol if they changed the wording of his song without permission.

‘American Idol’ features worship but censors Jesus

The prospect that America’s most-watch television program would feature a popular Christian worship song to close its fundraising special last night generated a buzz on the Internet, but some now are crying foul after the lyrics were altered to eliminate the word “Jesus.”

In the grand finale of “American Idol Gives Back,” eight “Idol” finalists performed “Shout to the Lord,” the song by Darlene Zschech of Australia’s Hillsong Church that has been sung in thousands of congregations around the world.

Zschech’s lyrics open with “My Jesus, My Savior, Lord there is none like You, All of my days, I want to praise, The wonders of Your mighty love.”

Instead of “My Jesus,” however, viewers last night heard the “American Idol” stars begin the song with “My shepherd,” as seen in a clip posted on YouTube.

So according to this those who believe in the rapture and take the book of Revelation literally are extremists. Yep, I qualify.

So do the Christians in China that teach the second coming of Jesus. These are the Christians the Chinese Communists are persecuting. What is happening in China and proposed in the UN is a foretaste of what will happen when we are agree to these Global treaties.

If you want to know what is going to happen in the U.S. under all three socialists that are running for president just read the article below. Under the UN principles of tolerance that we will agree to abide by under any one of these people, preaching the truths of Christianity will be hate speech and it will be against the law.

So you should see how close we are to the start of religious persecution in the United States. We are only one Liberal government away from signing on to these UN tolerance principles that is totally intolerant of Christian truth.

The election choice for next year will be to live in an ObamaNation or, to live under the Clintonists, or to put the Mac of Cain on us. Any of these choices will hasten the fascist anti-Christian tyranny that is coming. It is coming sooner than most think.

United Nations Declaration of Principles on Tolerance Really Means Intolerance Toward Christians - CWN

Read some of the highlights of the UN Declaration of Principles on Tolerance in light of the recent comments by Karen Armstrong of the United Nations Alliance of Civilizations who said that people that believe in the rapture and take the book of Revelation literally are “extremists”.Here are some of the major points of The Declaration of Principles on Tolerance:

· “Tolerance is respect, acceptance and appreciation of the rich diversity of our world’s cultures It is not only a moral duty, it is also a political and legal requirement.”

· “Tolerance involves the rejection of dogmatism and absolutism.” [Biblical truth?]

· “Tolerance… means that one’s views are not to be imposed on others.” [Would this end freedom to share the gospel with others? Could the UN still share its views?]

· “Intolerance… is a global threat.”

· “Scientific studies and networking should be undertaken to coordinate the international community’s response to this global challenge, including analysis of root causes and effective countermeasures, as well as research and monitoring… ”

· “Tolerance promotion and the shaping of attitudes of openness, mutual listening and solidarity should take place in schools and universities, and through non-formal education… at home and in the workplace.”

· “Promote rational tolerance teaching methods that will address the cultural, social, economic, political and religious sources of intolerance– major roots of violence and exclusion.

Every Christian in America needs to read this article. The persecution will be upon Christians sooner than you might think.

clipped from www.christianworldviewnetwork.com Now this is an article that should get your attention. Sadly, many refuse to be willing to consider the possibility of persecution against Christians in America. “It can’t happen here.” What a naive people we have become. Do we really believe that we are immune to what history so clearly teaches? History is full of examples of tyrannical governments persecuting Christians. We seem to think that if we just do our own thing while our country falls into the depths of anti-Christ paganism, they will leave us alone. What a blind people we American Christian have become. Blind as we go about our daily lives, so concerned with temporal things that we refuse to see the spiritual battle at hand.

The slide into moral relativism by our whole nation is obvious. This article gives a few examples. Do not doubt that those teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ will be the next target on their list. Their attack will come as soon as these God haters can find a way to do an end run around the Constitution.

clipped from www.worldnetdaily.com As you can see from this handful of examples, our nation is increasingly turning its heart away from God. The ongoing result will be confusion and social mayhem, as our children are taught there are no moral absolutes and that “diversity” shall be their way of life. In addition, I fear that in the not-too-distant future our nation’s churches will be targeted for teaching biblical concepts that counter the diversity-crazed culture.

The War on God and Thanksgiving - Bruce Walker - Nov 22, 07: “The War on God was a book written in the 1930s describing the state of religious faith in Germany. This book note only describes the hatred which the still young Nazi government and party had for Christianity, but more important it described how Christianity had declined in Germany before the Nazis came to power. This opinion was reflected in many other books written during this period by other observers from free democracies writing about the condition of Germany before and after the Nazi rise to power. Why does that matter to us today? Because what we are witnessing in America is too much like what the world witnessed in pre-Nazi Germany during the 1920s and 1930s.”

History has a way of repeating itself. Only this time it is on a much larger worldwide scale.

WorldNetDaily: Jesus – king of hate?: “Christians especially have become aware of what is written in the Quran and are beginning to speak out. If ever a basic holy book promoted hate, certain verses in the Quran do. Yet the Christians are the ones being labeled ‘hate mongers.’ Jesus predicted that the hate against Christians would be irrational, because it is supernaturally inspired. This all fits into the scenario Jesus and the Prophets predicted would happen in the last days. Jesus said that shortly before His return,

‘They will deliver you up to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of My name. ‘ All around us, we are seeing what He predicted: ‘If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master. ‘ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me.’

“The world is now falsifying the meaning of Christianity to justify its hatred of Jesus Christ and His followers. Jesus explained why:

‘And this is the basis of judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed’ (John 3:19). ”

Journal Gazette 05/19/2007 Evangelicals disdained in poll: “The other survey, by the San Francisco-based Institute for Jewish and Community Research, confirmed those findings but also found what the institute’s director and chief pollster, Gary Tobin, called an “explosive” statistic: 53 percent of its sample of 1,200 college and university faculty members said they have “unfavorable” feelings toward evangelical Christians.”

Over half the faculty members in the US hate the Christian message because it conflicts with their humanistic views and solutions.

WorldNetDaily: How to outlaw Christianity (Step 1): “Though the majority of Americans continue to claim to be Christians, a Gallup poll discovered 45 percent of us would support an atheist for president, 55 percent would support a homosexual candidate and 72 percent would support a Mormon candidate.
Such a survey is a clear indication that most Americans are simply confused about what it means to be Christian. It also shows that the secularization of society is alive and well, especially when almost half would endorse an atheist president. ”

If they are confused it is due to the fact that most that claim to be “Christians” are not Christians at all.