Dave is correct about the vast majority of Christianity in America and the West. We have become like our mother Israel who became a Harlot and God cast her out of the land. We made corrupt world leaders our saviors, we took the God who sustains us out of the equation, and played the harlot with the world and trust in our material riches.

Christianity in America is on her death bed. What happened to our Mother Harlot Israel will now happen to the apostate church. Nevertheless, even in the Harlot that we now call Christianity God has a faithful remnant that have not bowed their knee to the neo-paganism Baal of our time. We well trust in Christ no matter how far this nations descends into debauchery and socialistic fascism. True believers need to come out and be separate from them and be spared the judgments that will eat away at these idol worshipers bodies and souls like cancer.

Most of our Christians leaders have been deceived and have defected to a worldly gospel and I just do not see any significant Christian leadership being raised up to lead America to repentance. On the contrary, Christian seminaries and Bible colleges are teaching worldly philosophies and postmodern error and just spreading the cancer to all churches. Therefore the next work of God will be judgment not revival.

God will not spare America from judgment. Even now we should see the walls of this great nation are crumbling, the family is being destroyed and every sort of evil is allowed and celebrated. Judgment is at the door but everyone thinks their political idols will save them. They will not.

America’s greatness was given by God and was a gift of God’s favor on a nation that honored Him. God no longer has a reason to favor America where He is outlawed and where even the people called by His name look toward Idols in men and government rather than looking toward the Lord. God has no reason to favor a nation that has departed from His ways to embrace doctrines of devils and the ways of the morally insane.

Now America can expect the curse she has brought on herself by abanding God and His ways. The faithful righteous will put there trust in the Lord and not in men through the coming storm and wait for the new day to dawn. That is where we are really at in spite of the hype about the future greatness of America.

Dave Daubenmire — The Congregation of the Dead

THE CONGREGATION OF THE DEAD

By Coach Dave Daubenmire
October 9, 2008
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The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead. Proverbs 21:16

America is a dying country. I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but America is a dead man walking.

The once great “shining city on a hill” is gasping for breath. Everywhere you turn you are faced with the harsh truth that the death rattle has begun. We are a dying people controlled by a dying government, infected with the dead leadership of dead men, who chew on a dead gospel served-up in dead churches, by dead pastors living out a dead faith.

The stench of death is permeating our society. How could this possibly be? America, has wandered “out of the way of understanding.” Make no mistake about it; America is dying of spiritual starvation. We are the victims of spiritual bulimia, willingly vomiting out all that would nourish us.

America is a congregation of the dead.

We have no one to blame but the Church. I know that makes many of you nervous as you cling to your “dead faith full of dead works” believing that God is pleased with your apathy towards the spiritual condition of this nation. You, my Christian friends, are complicit in the spiritual coup that has swept over America. Compromise is the birthing ground of sin. Savorless salt producing good-for-nothing Christianity.

We are a nation of liars, following liars, believing liars, and celebrating liars. Jesus said “The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. We have rejected His words, and we have rejected His life. “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”

Much of America is Christian in Name Only. (CHINO) We wear Jesus like a merit badge from the Boy Scouts. But for most Americans church membership is no different than membership in the local Moose Lodge or the American Legion. It is a social structure where like-minded folks get together for fellowship. Like the Shriners, the Church is a club for do-gooders who want to shine their “Christian Medals” for their friends to see.

We have rejected God, rejected His Truth, and rejected His Son. We have embraced death, celebrate death, and subsidize death.

We are a congregation of the dead.

Our government is corrupt because our people are corrupt. Our people are corrupt because our churches are corrupt. Most serve mammon and give lip-service to God. Pastors beg the government to permit them to preach what God has commanded them to say. No man can serve two masters.

God is judging America my friends. Fifty million babies, sodomy in the streets, and the purging of His name….

“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.” Thomas Jefferson.

The alleged-deist Thomas Jefferson was ten-times the Christian most evangelicals are today and the Baptists wanted to run him out of office.

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Would someone please remove the Episcopal Church from the list of Christian denominations. What is left of this apostate church supports everything that is opposed to biblical teaching. Seems to me that they should now be listed as a cult and any Episcopal Church that does not agree with their anti-Christ, anti-Israel and leftist amoral socialistic agenda should depart from them. Enough is enough, throw the Episcopal bums out of the Church. What would Paul do? (WWPD).

Episcopal bishops join effort against Prop. 8 (OneNewsNow.com)

SACRAMENTO - The Episcopal Church in California is taking up arms against Proposition 8, an amendment that would change the California constitution to preserve the integrity of marriage as being between one man and one woman. In the process the U.S. branch of the Anglican Communion is clashing with a huge interfaith coalition, including Christians, Jews, Muslims, Mormons, Hindus and Sikhs, which is simultaneously launching a campaign to promote the proposition.

the bishops of the Episcopal Church in California have joined the ranks of those working against Proposition 8. All six bishops in the state will officially protest the traditional marriage amendment, according to the Sacramento Bee. The Right Rev. Marc Handley Andrus, Episcopal Bishop of California, held a press conference at San Francisco’s Grace Cathedral on Wednesday to represent the church’s position, “calling for compassion, love and equal protections” for homosexual couples.

Rev. Andrus will be joined by the Right Rev. Steven Charleston, Assisting Bishop of California, the Right Rev. Barry Beisner, Episcopal Bishop of Northern California, as well as other California Episcopal bishops, clerics and laypeople. Rev. Charleston, when asked whether he would yield to a call from the leaders of the worldwide Anglican Communion to return to traditional marriage values, said that he “would accept schism” rather than abandon the homosexual agenda.

In contrast, a large number of faith communities in California have publicly united in avid support of Proposition 8, and are warning voters that the continued dominance of homosexual “rights” in California law will inevitably lead to the marginalization of religious rights. The Orthodox Union (O.U.), one of the largest Orthodox Jewish organizations in the United States, points out that what appears to be freedom for homosexuals in fact means that religious people will ultimately incur the penalty of law for voicing any public opposition to the homosexualist agenda. “Religious institutions and people face charges of bigotry and could be denied government funding and more if same-sex marriage becomes the law of the land,” said the O.U. in a statement.

The California Episcopal Church’s unified effort to hoist the banner of homosexual “rights” marks the further dissolution of the worldwide Anglican Communion, which has continued to fracture under the pressure of liberal and conservative bishops vying for the helm of the Anglican faith, causing congregations to dwindle. The growing strife over such issues caused Archbishop Peter Akinola, the Primate of Nigeria, to conclude at the Global Anglican Future Conference that “There is no longer any hope, therefore, for a unified Communion.”

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You will have to read the full article to get the full flavor of what the Coach is saying here. I guess besides saying that Jesus did raise his voice on occasion he is also saying the Church has become sissified. If men in the Church want to act like women I hope that they at least take some lessons from Sarah Palin.

People are always talking about what Jesus would or would not do, as if they really had a clue what the Creator of the universe would do in our worldly situation. I got so fed up with hearing people say “what would Jesus do” when that was the number one trite saying going around that I wrote my own article about it. You might read the above link if you tend to use those words or just want to hear me rant on about those that do. Of course we all know that Jesus would never rant…..except maybe against religious hyprocrites.

Dave Daubenmire — Jesus Wouldn’t Yell

“Let me ask you a question. After Jesus was led into the dessert and tempted of the Devil, does anyone know how Jesus fought the enemy?”

My brown eyes panned the room looking at the questioning faces; hoping one would know the answer. Finally, in the back of the room a voice squeaked out, “He used the Word.”

“That’s right!!!” I blurted out as I jumped on the front pew. “IT IS WRITTEN.” Jesus fought by using the Word of God and we must learn to do the same! My eyes flashing the passion that players expect out of their coach. Electricity filled the air.

“Well I bet Jesus wouldn’t yell”

I quickly turned towards the sound of the voice. It had emanated from the mouth of a matronly teacher sitting in the third-row of this huge auditorium. She obviously did not appreciate my coaching style. I felt the hair stand-up on the back of my neck. But thanks to the power of the Holy Spirit I did not lash out at her obviously-rude behavior.

Later that day I was at football practice and during a water break I was looking at the rocky hills surrounding our practice field and I suddenly thought of the Sermon on the Mount. Thousands came to hear our Lord as he sat at the top of a hill high over the city. Hmmm, I thought. Top of the hill, thousands of people, no public address system, I wonder how the multitudes heard Him?

I had my answer.

Where do we get these sissy ideas about Jesus? We’re talking about a guy who made a whip and cleared out the flea market at the temple. Don’t you suppose he raised his voice a decibel or two? Read what he said to the Pharisees and Sadducees “a brood of vipers.” Do you think He did this with soft, soothing voice?

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The article I link to in this post says a lot and not just about contemplative prayer. It explains the demonic deceptions that are going on in many churches today in the name of being relevant to our postmodern society. I doubt that there are many large evangelical churches that are not to some extent being negatively influenced by this by either the pastor, some assistant pastor or one or more lay leaders. Certain influential national leaders are mixing various amounts of poison wrapped in Christian speak and Christian sounding programs and many are buying into their deadly deceptions because they never hear any biblical counter argument.

Someone needs to form an expense paid national conference for top pastors and evangelical leaders where they would hear the arguments of authors like John MacArthur, Roger Oakland, Dave Hunt, Bob DeWaay etc. to educate the church leadership on the doctrines of demons now being introduced in most large churches. Then the conference should be put on a internet site and on DVD and a copy should be given to all lay leaders in the church. We need some some Christian foundation or a group of discerning churches to fund this. If certain churches can put together postmodern rethinking and shifting conferences you would think that someone could also put together a biblical thinking conference to counter them.

Beware of This Doctrine of Demons

It’s called “contemplative” or “centering” prayer and if you haven’t heard about it yet, chances are unfortunately good that you will soon. It’s invading churches like a virus in which submicroscopic pathogens contaminate the body many hours or days before the victim is aware of its presence.
Contemplative prayer is one of a number of ancient mystical practices or spiritual disciplines, as their proponents refer to them, which are being encouraged at an alarming rate by evangelical churches. It is all part of something called Spiritual Formation and the Emergent Church, a movement that as John MacArthur states in his book, The Truth war, is subtly changing the beliefs and doctrines of the evangelical church as we know it.

In its pure form, contemplative prayer is practiced by sitting still, quieting, and concentrating on your breathing and repeating a word of choice (maybe the name Jesus, for instance) over and over again. You’re to concentrate on that word and your breathing, and work to eliminate all thoughts from your mind. Over a period of maybe 20 minutes — and with practice — you can enter into “the silence.” Your mind is blank. You have, in fact, hypnotized yourself. And it is in “the silence” where “God” allegedly speaks to you.

According to the testimony of one former, now-redeemed New Ager I recently read this is the exact method used by New Agers and Eastern mystics to enter an altered state of consciousness that opens a person up to demonic influence. Ray Yungen, author of the book, A Time of Departing, confirms this and says, “Unknown to most people, a blank mind in a meditative state is all that is necessary for contact with a spirit guide.” He also points out, “Those who lack discernment are at great risk.”

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It is eye opening to realize that 80 to 85% of pastors support keeping kids in our demented public education system. Now you know why the Southern Baptist convention will not take up the issue even though Bruce Shortt tried to bring it to the floor. Most Christians parents are not teaching their children Christianity anymore either they leave it up to their church to educate their Children and most churches are doing a terrible job at doing that. So the kids get very little Bible teaching except for going over the popular Bible Sunday School stories. The children are then bombarded with anti Christian postmodern brainwashing day after day in the public schools that attack religious doctrine. Then we wonder why we lose almost all the youth as soon as they go off on their own.

The author suggests that even if they pass a marriage constitution amendment in California this year that when the next generation grows up in 25 years it will be repealed. I suggest that it will not take anywhere near that long. The next generation will have all the votes they need in five years if the church can even get this amendment to the Constitution passed this year. People calling themselves Christians are almost as postmodern as their children and most do not know the bible, nor do they believe in Bible absolutes.

We are reaping the consequences of what started happening 50 years ago and unless someone evangelizes the lost “church” in America there will be no U.S.A. in a decade.

Dobson may have warned us 6 1/2 years ago but nobody did much about a movement to take kids out of public schools including Focus on the Family. Since 85 percent of the pastors are not even getting the message out about the public school problem we have today, you know as well as I do that the end of the downward slide is not going to happen. The days when children will rise up against parents to enforce world hate speech laws and religious pluralism are just about upon us (Matt 10:21, Matt12:13).

Christian Worldview Network - Brannon Howse - Dr. James Dobson Warned Us Six and Half Years Ago About Today

Bruce Shortt in his book the Harsh Truth about Public Schools says, “About 85% of Christian children attend government schools, but the message that Christian parents are obligated to provide a Christian education is seldom heard from the pulpit.”

With 80 to 85 percent of Christian children attending public schools and roughly the same number of pastors supportive of public education, it is easy to see why Focus is reluctant to criticize public schools. Times are tough for parachurch ministries, and with the struggling economy, giving may be hurt.

Focus must call for the removal of our precious children from public schools, especially in California. Perhaps this will spark a national exodus. The new school year is upon us. The time to act is now.

It’s time to heed Dr. Dobson’s prophetic words, and focus on your family education.

“Those who control what young people are taught, and what they experience-what they see, hear, think and believe-will determine the future course for the nation.”

(Children at Risk, p.27) James Dobsin

This article was an eye opener. You might not want to hear what Dr Johnston has to say but what can you say when he documents the truth? So we can make a big thing out of homosexual marriage as if that is the chief problem but if we are not seeing the big spiritual problem in the church and in the West toward the covenant of marriage and what God said in the Bible we are never going to get to the root of the marriage problem and all the other garbage that goes along with the destruction of marriage. Then the only thing left is judgment and judgment starts with the house of God.

Dr. Patrick Johnston — How Heterosexuals Destroyed Marriage

When the California Supreme Court declared in a 4 to 3 ruling in May that California must allow homosexuals to marry under the same terms and conditions as heterosexuals, they caricatured the arguments against gay marriage as bigoted and unconstitutional. Nevermind that the voters in California overwhelming voted down gay marriage – “equality” trumps tradition, especially when you’ll be hailed by the New York Times for your “historic” and “momentus” courage in this “victory for equality and justice.”

The most useful part of this ruling is that it exposes a fatal flaw in the arguments conservatives have consistently brought forth, in jurisprudence and in legislation, to defend conservative ideals against assault from the left. Useful, that is, if we learn from it. Our strategy for protecting marriage was destined for failure from the beginning, just as is our strategy to fix public education, protect the preborn from death by abortion, and restore our God-given liberties. It’s a bitter pill, but the diagnosis of severe maladies is always a bitter pill that must be swallowed before the remedy becomes palatable.

Under the political leadership of those anointed by conservative groups, we have:

1. Accepted “civil unions” as an alternative to gay marriage,

2. Reformed public education by increasing the funding of the government bureaucracy and programs that foster sexual immorality among school children,

3. Promoted a “culture of life” by regulating the child-killing and justifying abortion in cases of rape, incest, and maternal health

My hat is off to LifeWay for developing this new multi-media project.

Worship project melds ‘theological integrity’ and technology (OneNewsNow.com)

A new project designed to help churches bridge the gap between standard hymns and modern worship songs has been released.

Helping churches maintain theological integrity, while bringing new songs and choruses into worship services, is one of the goals of a new project by LifeWay Christian Resources of the Southern Baptist Convention. The LifeWay Worship Project is a multi-faceted effort designed to help churches plan their praise and worship services more effectively. It includes a new Baptist hymnal, a worship hymnal, and digital resources that can be accessed through a special website.

Mike Harland, director of the LifeWay Worship Project, says resources are available both in downloadable form and hard copy form. Each of the 674 songs in the hymnal, according to Harland, underwent rigorous study for theology and doctrine.

Well it has come full circle. The African natives that the Anglican’s converted are now rejecting the seat of power of the Anglicans because the Anglicans in Britain now reject the true gospel for a false one.

It is obvious that The Christian Church is more healthy in third world nations then it is in Britain and everyone knows it except for the British who generally could care less about Christianity anyway.

Its time for the Africans to send missionaries to convert the new generation of Brits.

Anglican Church conservatives move to form power bloc - International Herald Tribune

Anglican conservatives, frustrated by the ongoing stalemate over homosexuality in the Anglican Communion, declared Sunday that they would defy the church’s historic lines of authority and establish a new power bloc within the church that will be led by a council of predominantly African archbishops.

The announcement came at the close of an unprecedented meeting in Jerusalem by conservatives, who contend that they represent a majority of the 77 million members of the Anglican Communion.

They depicted their efforts as the culmination of an anti-colonial struggle against the church’s seat of power in Britain, whose missionaries first brought Anglican Christianity to the developing world. The conservatives say that many of the descendants of those Anglican missionaries in Britain and North America are now following what they call a “false gospel” that allows a malleable, liberal interpretation of Scripture.

I find this article and the conference that Jonathan Falwell is promoting at Thomas Road Baptist Church to be almost beyond belief. Just take a look at some of the people leading the conference. Some of them happen to be part of the problem.

I have news for Jonathan Falwell the Church is not to blame for pseudo Christianity being in crisis. The Church is doing quite fine as always. Pseudo Christianity is in crises because it has no salvation message. They are telling the world what they think they want to hear instead of what they need to hear. They want to tickle their ears instead of telling them the simple salvation message in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Where are the Pauls, the Billy Sundays the Billy Grahams for this generation? They are not speaking at this conference. The Bible says Moses was the most humble man that ever lived but did he put on what we call humility. Did Moses look for some nebulous balance between grace and truth? What do you mean that only in the world’s meaning of humility can we communicate the Gospel? Where is that in scripture? The humility of Moses was his total dependence on God. Moses’ message was uncompromising. When he went before Pharaoh did he put on what the world calls humility today. No. He was bold and told Pharaoh what God told him! We do not need more Uriah Heap’s in the Church.

I have more news for Jonathan Falwell. Evangelicals are looked down on by young non Christians because they are being indoctrinated to do so in their schools and on media. Yet, the Southern Baptist Convention just killed a resolution to remove their children from public schools. Your not going to change the public schools in this nation until moral people take action that threaten the very existence of public schools should they continue on this path of anti-Christian anti-God indoctrination and their promotion of amorality.

Falwell seems to suggest that the answer is a conference to find worldly ways to find new ways to tap dance around biblical truths. If so, then welcome to the postmodern church but don’t confuse it with the Church or Christianity. I simply do not see Paul having a conference to tell pastors how to stop the rise of hatred toward those preaching the gospel. Paul taught the gospel and died for it as did many who followed him. The Church needs to teach the gospel today more than ever. The reason why people are against Christianity is because they are not Christians. We are losing this nation because the gospel is not being taught anywhere anymore, even in the pulpits.

You should know that the Church is not going to win a popularity contest. Jesus said the world would hate us. You think in these last days of mass indoctrination and mass communication that this is simply going to be less of a problem?

The Church needs a conference to tell the leaders to get back to the basics and preach the gospel to every creature. The Church need to tell the truth to the world without compromise and let the chips fall where they may! Salvation is the only way to change people’s thinking and that is achieved by preaching the gospel.

What we don’t need is another damn conference to come up with worldly ways to redefine our message to reach the postmodern world! If you really want to do something about losing the youth you will deal with the core problems that are corrupting them, it certainly is not the Christian message. Unless what you are really preaching is not the Christian message at all and they can see through the hypocrisy.

“Christians” need to start acting like real men and quit kowtowing to the immoral people that are being allowed to subvert the next generation by allowing them to set their own educational and media agendas! We were told what would happen in the last days so preach the good news, suck it up, and start taking care of your own family like men.

Christianity in crisis

Mr. Kinnaman further states, “In just a decade, the perception of evangelicals has become eight times less favorable among young non-Christians when compared to the image held by boomer non-Christians.”

And while I believe this perception of Christians is at least partially because of the constant negative portrayals of us in the mainstream media, I also believe that we – Christians – are largely to blame for the negative way in which we are seen.

While we are confronting the culture with the Gospel, I think we have often forgotten to consider how we are being received by the world around us.

I think the church has sometimes forgotten that faith produces humility: “Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up” (James 4:10). And it is only in our humility that we can effectively communicate the Gospel.

Mr. Kinnaman asks two important questions in his article: “How does a messenger of God strike the right balance between grace and truth? How does a teacher of the Bible help point people toward a holy God, without creating the opposite effect of putting up false barriers to Him?”

That is why I have initiated the Innovate Church Christian Leaders Conference that is being hosted by Thomas Road Baptist Church Aug. 11-13 in Lynchburg, Va. I’ve invited some of our nation’s leading church innovators and theologians to train pastors, Christian leaders and laymen how to become more confident and effective ambassadors of Jesus Christ.

Special guests will include: Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church; Chuck Colson, founder of Prison Fellowship; Jim Cymbala, pastor of the Brooklyn Tabernacle; Tom Mullins, senior pastor of Christ Fellowship in Palm Beach Gardens, Fla.; Ed Stetzer, church planter and director of Lifeway Research; Dr. Ergun Caner, president of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary; Sheri Rose Shepherd, best-selling author and speaker; Mathew Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel and dean of the Liberty University School of Law; and many others.

Cal Thomas has it right. You have denied the faith if you think there are other paths to God besides through Jesus Christ. So are you a Christian or just a great pretender? If you find yourself believing there are many paths to God you really should remove yourself from the Christian faith and quit corrupting our churches. Also, evangelical pastors and leaders need to take heed and teach the gospel often because 60 percent who attend evangelical churches have not heard it or understood it. Not to mention that in the mainline churches it is 83 percent. So is it any wonder that these “Christians” pick politicians who actually oppose the faith.

Do They Think Jesus Was a Liar? « FOX Forum « FOXNews.com

If there are many paths to heaven, Jesus suffered and died for nothing. He could have stayed in heaven, sent down a book of sayings and avoided crucifixion. Orthodox Christians have always believed – and their Bible teaches them — there is only one path to heaven and it is through Jesus Christ and him alone. One can believe whatever one wishes, but you can’t be considered a Christian without believing in this fundamental doctrine.

Christian churches have a lot of work to do in addressing biblical illiteracy, ignorance and, yes, heresy, in their midst. They might want to pay more attention to fixing what’s gone wrong among their members before expending too much energy on politics and politicians.

Did you catch ABC news today? 3/4 of people in the U.S. do not believe their religion is the only way to God.

If I remember right about 56 percent of Muslims also said that - Which explains why many Muslims say they are moderate although there is no such concept taught in the Quaran.

I do not recall the percent of the Jews but it was very high. 60 percent were not sure they believed in God at all.

Catholics were at 79 percent - How do the people who claim that Catholism is the one true Church believe there can be other truths and ways to God? Obviously most Catholics in the U.S. do not even know their own theology or else they do not believe it.

Mainline Protestants were at 83 percent - What should we expect from them? They do not even know what Christianity is anymore. They think anyone that does more good than bad will be saved regardless of belief in God’s Savior, If they even believe in salvation at all.

Even about 60 pecent of Evangelicals - That is the sorry state of affairs among those who “claim” to be saved by grace through faith. How can people who claim that Jesus is God then claim there is another way to God other than through the way God provided in His Son? The core doctrine of the Bible says that Jesus is the only way to the Father so anyone claiming there are other ways knows nothing about how one is saved. I hardly think they then can actually be called Christians.

Obviously the Christians in this survey concern me the most. If this survey is accurate about 3/4 of those that claim to be Christians in the United States are certainly apostate because they do not believe Jesus or the scriptures. Jesus said that He was the only way to God is He a liar? They certainly are not getting their many ways to God insights from any Holy Spirit within them. You can be sure that the figures are even worse in Europe.

ABC of course thought this was great because they think that those who actually believe in their faith are narrow minded bigots. So now is it any wonder that this Nation is electing the politicans that they are electing, is it any wonder why redefining Christianity is all the rage among evangelicals, is it any wonder why the amoral are winning control of this county and is any wonder why the U.S. will continue to go through increasing judgments?

Obviously we do not have to wait for the end time apostasy that was spoken about in the Bible it has already arrived.

I said last week that nothing would come of this resolution at the Southern Baptist Convention because we have girlie men in leadership. Many parents are out of touch with what is going on in our schools but nevertheless any Christian leader ought to know that the state is now indoctrinating and perverting children in public schools California and elsewhere. They just do not want to do what it takes to fix the problem.

The SBC has just given the government a blank slate for it to continue and then they wonder why they have lost most of their youth. The SBC excuse is that they need to focus on the same sex marriage issue. How will that stop the mandatory homosexual indoctrination of your Children this fall in California? If you do not attack the root of the tree it is going to grow and spread in every direction. You can cut off a branch here and there but that is not going to kill the tree.

“Christians” need to pull their kids out of public school or one has to wonder if they really hate their children? Those men that will not take care of their own family are worse than infidels.

Christians need to send a powerful message that the will of Christian people in California will be respected or the state will see dire consequences. Instead Christians show disunity and are marginalized by doing nothing.

In a post a couple of weeks ago I told Pentecostals to grow up and stop following con men that are making total fools of them. Now I am telling all Christians to get a grip before you lose your salt and light and become good for nothing but to be trampled down by the herd of pigs that are running roughshod through society.

Large and mid-sized Southern Baptists churches of any size ought to be building Christian schools instead of bigger barns and meeting places that are used once or twice a week. Small churches should be helping people to set up homeschooling. Instead most are still ho-humming the greatest crises to the youth of Christians in history.

Tell your representatives that went to the convention. Thanks for nothing! And then put your own pastor and your church board’s feet to the fire to come up with a plan for alternate Christian education of your children.

Southern Baptists continue to resist public school concerns (OneNewsNow.com)

Messengers at the annual meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention in Indianapolis approved a resolution supporting a ballot initiative in California that will define marriage as only between one man and one woman; however, an amendment that would have called on Christians in the state to remove their children from public schools was soundly defeated.

That amendment was worded virtually the same as a proposed resolution that was not reported out by the committee. Bruce Shortt is a messenger from Texas who has been leading the call of some Southern Baptists the past several years for a comprehensive “exit strategy” from the public school system. He was not surprised the proposed resolution never made it out of committee. However, he says an organized grassroots campaign, known as California Exodus, is gaining momentum.

Shortt says Southern Baptists in other states should not be complacent about the issue. “It may be happening in California today, but I can assure you, the very same special interests that pushed this thing through in California are looking at how they can do it in Massachusetts, Vermont, New York, Illinois, and in Minnesota, and Wisconsin, and probably in a few other states – Washington and Oregon. And it’s coming. The wolf will be at the door of a lot of states, and I think people will be very surprised,” Shortt contends.

Berit Kjos wrote a well document article on the problems she finds in the Evangelical Manifesto and the “new evangelicals” involved in the project. This is what you are not hearing from those who are pushing the Evangelical Manifesto. The real intent of the Manifesto is to marginalize us old style evangelicals that they are now calling fundamentalists as if biblical fundamentalists carried the plague. The goal of many is to promote the way to an interfaith world.

Berit Kjos — An Evangelical Manifesto For an Interfaith World

“THERE ARE NOW TWO KINDS OF EVANGELICALS…. The old is the authentic, biblical position. The new is far off the track, not in its basic view of salvation, but in its readiness to compromise with doctrinal error and worldly ways. The new is selling the faith for earthly respect and recognition… and churches are being ruined.

“Those of us who are old-style evangelicals are now being labeled as fundamentalist by our critics, the new-style evangelicals. A repetition is occurring of what happened at Antioch, where the ‘the disciples were first called Christians.’ (Acts 11:26) That glorious name was given to them by their critics…

“Why are the new-style evangelicals calling us fundamentalists? They are doing so for reasons of tactical self-advantage. … They founded the magazine Christianity Today as the flagship journal for their new direction…. The old, sharp line between worldly activities and spiritual activities was swept away, and believers were encouraged to be much more involved in worldly culture, leisure and entertainment. …

“…the new evangelicals began to … speak of themselves simply as evangelicals, and the old-style believers as fundamentalists…. All that remained was to give the term fundamentalist an objectionable, negative image, and the new evangelicals would then appear to be mainstream.”[7]

Their strategy is working. But our sovereign God will not be mocked. Though He warned His people that we would face increasing hostility in this world, He has promised to lead us in “His triumph” no matter how fierce the battle!

This article is a must read for all Christians. Are Christians going to allow the government to continue to indoctrinate their children and then wonder why none of them are coming to Christ?

Over half the Southern Baptists churches have not baptized one youth because the gospel is not being taught to them in church or at home and parents have almost totally lost control of their kids.

There is a Southern Baptist Convention this coming week and a resolution that will deal with this issue. Will the SBC actually take some strong action? My view is that they will not because most of the church in America has already lost its savor or they would not be electing amoral candidates to high office who promote this amorality. I hope the Baptists prove me wrong!

Warning to Baptists: Turn or burn

The largest Protestant denomination in America, the Southern Baptists, is sending representatives from thousands of churches to convene in Indianapolis for the 151st session of the Southern Baptist Convention on June 10 and 11. The church is in crisis. Outgoing president Rev. Frank Page estimates that only half of Southern Baptist churches will still exist two decades from now.

The decline appears to be particularly acute among young people in the church. In 2005 alone, 55 percent of Southern Baptist churches baptized no youths, according to Ed Stetzer with the North American Mission Board.

Rick Hughes, Baptist State Convention of North Carolina senior consultant for discipleship, states, “We must face the fact that much of the American church is declining for a very biblical reason: We have failed to be and make disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ.”

That lack of meaningful evangelism starts in the home. Christians are doing a poor job of discipling their own children. Eight-five percent of their public schooled children abandon the faith by the time they leave for college, while only 2 percent of their homeschooled students leave. A pro-homosexual author stated, “Whoever captures the kids owns the future.” And he wasn’t kidding. Whoever owns the children owns the future of neighborhoods, cities, states, nations and, yes, our churches.

The church attrition rate is not surprising. Public school children receive almost 11,000 hours of secular indoctrination from kindergarten through their senior year compared with only 264 hours spent in meaningful conversation with their parents within the same 12-year period. And while Southern Baptists have hired more youth group leaders than ever before in past decades, the number of youth being baptized has fallen dramatically.

So far, the majority of Southern Baptists have refused to acknowledge that their children are being soul murdered in the public schools. Parents scratch their heads dumbfounded as to why their children are abandoning the church in droves, and yet the answer is obvious.

What is God’s bidding? Is it for Christians to leave their children in schools where their innocence is shattered to bits? Where they are encouraged to choose their own perverted sex variant?

According to Baucham and Shortt, there is a solution that could result in explosive growth for the church while extending missions into communities nationwide. Implementing it would require the church to inform parents about what is happening in their children’s schools and offer a way out – an exodus. And the time is right. As the resolution states, “This may be the most significant opportunity for evangelism that we have ever seen” as flocks of unbelievers searching for a better education system come to our door.

Is the Southern Baptist Church serious about genuine spiritual growth? Is it truly concerned about outreach to children “captured” by deviants working through the government school system?

This year’s convention will tell.

Whoever owns the hearts and minds of our children owns the future.

One can easily justify why they conform to be like the world. The hard thing is not conforming and still getting the message of salvation out to the lost. They are not going to find the message of salvation through your worldly coolness but they may through your heavenly warmness.

The Church Of The Cool And Groovy (A Worldy Christian View) - CWN

It’s no secret that churches are using gimmicks to attract the masses. Much like all of the rock bands I worked with, the cooler and hipper you are, the more you can attract a crowd. This is prevalent in so many churches, and it usually starts in the youth groups. They’re raised to be cool, listen to cool music and dress cool. I actually had a youth pastor say to me, “We want to show the unsaved that we can be as cool and have as much fun as the world, ” to which I replied, “I spent most of my youth and life learning how to be cool, but when I came to Jesus I realized that when he said crucify the flesh and don’t be like the world he meant it”. Of course, the first scripture that is usually brought up in the defense of this foolishness is to “be all things to all men”. Well, if you want to follow that to its logical progression, then I can suggest a church program and some entertainment to attract sex addicts. Get the point? Mature Christians shouldn’t be interested in proving anything to the world except Christ crucified. I don’t recall Paul dressing like a gladiator and putting on sport shows to attract the crowds, and then sneaking the gospel in on them once he had their attention. I’m sure if it was such a great idea, the Lord would have given it to Paul. God has done perfectly well calling those who have ears to hear into the flock.

What a totally bazaar concept “lost Christians”? This is an oxymoron!  If these “Christians” have lost their faith in the Bible, the church and Christian beliefs then they are not “lost Christians” they are not Christians!

Thirty-one million people have left these churches because they were never believers they were just cultural Christians. It is happening in the U.S., Canada and Europe because many of the mainline churches in the West do not teach or practice biblical Christianity. All they have is denominational rituals. They baptize people into the church as babies and then they call them Christians. Then when they grow up and leave they say they are “lost Christians. It is nonsense, they were never Christians at all.

What is happening is that once these social Christians no longer feel social pressures from parents or spouses to stay they leave. Others leave when they lose faith in their warped concept of the Church, the Bible or God. The reason they leave Christianity is because they never had Christian faith in the first place. The reason why they leave your church might be because they never received salvation there.

There are no “lost Christians” Millions of people are leaving their churches because they never entered the one true spiritual Church in the first place - the body of Christ. If you church leaders really want to do something about it preach the gospel of salvation to your own congregations and preach them the whole counsel of God and start to practice biblical Christianity instead of just giving your congregation some psychology lesson or feel good message during a Sunday ritual service.

Dave Samford obvious does not even know what a true Christian is. His term seems to be anyone who even attended a Christian church. He then suggests they we bring those that leave back into this strange concept of Christian faith by fixing their hurt feelings and doubts about God. No, these people only will come to Christ when you give them the true Gospel of salvation and for the first time in their lives they actually believe it.

‘Lost’ Christians Greatest Crisis in American Church, says Author | Christianpost.com

PORTLAND, Ore. - The inability of the church to discuss a topic that has become taboo among many Christians is one of the root causes why millions of Americans are leaving the church and never to return, says one author.

There are “Christians who have experientially lost their faith” but have no one to turn to since church culture shuns the topic, Dave Samford said Thursday.

It’s not that these Christians lost their salvation, but that they have lost their faith in the Bible, the church and Christian beliefs, said the author, who was addressing attendants at the annual convention of the Evangelical Press Association in Portland, Ore.

Over 31 million Americans are part of this exodus from the church, Samford said, citing a Barna Group study.

“Any business that is losing 31 million customers is going out of business,” he told a room of Christian journalists and editors. “[It] is the greatest crisis among Christians today in the U.S., Canada and some parts of Europe…We must break the silence in our publications.”

Its about time that some national organization stood up against the unconstitutional decrees of the IRS. If the IRS wants to go to court on this issue lets go at it. The IRS will lose. The fact that no one has ever lost tax-exempt status for what they preached from the pulpit is evidence that they do not want a court fight. They would just rather bully everyone into compliance. It is time that this self censorship by Christians stopped and now you have a national organization that will defend you if the IRS revokes your tax-exempt status.

Pastors called to defy IRS censorship rules

Christian pastors should stop censoring themselves in fear of an “unconstitutional” 1954 provision in the IRS code that has threatened to eliminate their church tax-exempt status if they speak out against positions held by political candidates, urges a leading legal alliance.

The Alliance Defense Fund today announced a new initiative that will challenge the IRS ban on political comment from churches and their pastors.

“Churches have for too long feared the loss of tax exempt status arising from speech in the pulpit addressing candidates for office,” the ADF’s white paper on the campaign confirmed. “Rather than risk confrontation, pastors have self-censored their speech, ignoring blatant immorality in government and foregoing the opportunities to praise moral government leaders.

“ADF believes that IRS restrictions on religious expression from the pulpit, whenever the IRS characterizes it as ‘political,’ is unconstitutional. After 50 years of threats and intimidation, churches should confront the IRS directly and reclaim the expressive rights guaranteed to them in the United States Constitution,” the group said.

The attitude with some is why do the study and work when you can just pull it off the Internet. Some just legally use the sermons of others all the time, they pay for them. I can see some part time pastors and pastors in a crunch using the material of others but when it is not original they should have to say so. Then if the church knows its is continually getting sermons of others they might replace this counterfeit teacher with an original.

Pulpit plagiarism a growing problem (OneNewsNow.com)

The book To Plagiarize or Not to Plagiarize? is an attempt to set boundaries in the wake of pulpit plagiarism claims that have hit not just Catholic clerics in Poland but ministers from other Christian denominations in the United States. Temptation is just the click of a mouse away as more and more churches post their sermons online, not to mention the availability of books and church-sponsored magazines that provide inspiration for sermons.

There is a thin line between drawing inspiration and lifting the text outright, said the Rev. Wieslaw Przyczyna, one of the book’s editors.