I do not think Obama actually knows the distinctions between the Old Testament codes and the New Covenant reality. Any Christian that knows the beliefs of Obama should know that he is not truly a Christian. How could a Black liberation theology social gospel “Christian” understand that the Church is not under the laws of the Old Testament? He just throws the whole Bible together not understanding the distinctions between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant and then he uses straw-man arguments when real Christians have no such concepts as he suggests.
For him to ask which Christianity is true James Dobson’s or Al Sharpton’s says wonders and is a no brainier? It distinctly shows Obama’s total ignorance of Christian issues. James Dobson’s believes mans’s salvation comes by Grace through faith and his authority is the scriptures. While Al Sharpton’s Christianity is based on social activism that saves no one. One teaches new Testament Christianity and the other teaches secular socialism and race baiting.
Once again why would a Obama that distorts biblical views know these things? In spite of what He says He is not a Christian and any Christian deluding theirs elf because they want a “yes we can” man and “change” artist need to examine themselves to find out if they are in the faith. If elected, Obama will do everything he can to make all believe that there are many paths to God even if he has to do it through hate speech laws.
McCain is not much better. I am still waiting for anyone that can be endorsed by Bible believers. Be it third party or whatever.
Dobson: Obama ‘Distorting’ Bible, Pushing ‘Fruitcake Interpretation’ of Constitution – America’s Election HQ
“Even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools?” Obama said. “Would we go with James Dobson’s or Al Sharpton’s?” referring to the civil rights leader.
Dobson took aim at examples Obama cited in asking which Biblical passages should guide public policy – chapters like Leviticus, which Obama said suggests slavery is OK and eating shellfish is an abomination, or Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, “a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application.”
“Folks haven’t been reading their Bibles,” Obama said.
Dobson and Minnery accused Obama of wrongly equating Old Testament texts and dietary codes that no longer apply to Jesus’ teachings in the New Testament.
“I think he’s deliberately distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own worldview, his own confused theology,” Dobson said.
“… He is dragging biblical understanding through the gutter.”
Dobson reserved some of his harshest criticism for Obama’s argument that the religiously motivated must frame debates over issues like abortion not just in their own religion’s terms but in arguments accessible to all people.
He said Obama, who supports abortion rights, is trying to govern by the “lowest common denominator of morality,” labeling it “a fruitcake interpretation of the Constitution.”
“Am I required in a democracy to conform my efforts in the political arena to his bloody notion of what is right with regard to the lives of tiny babies?” Dobson said. “What he’s trying to say here is unless everybody agrees, we have no right to fight for what we believe.”
It really frosts me that people claim the name of “Christian” when they deny the basic tenets of the faith. They want the legitimacy and whatever “worldly good” comes from the name, but they want to define its meaning their own way.
You might be playing something that looks a lot like baseball, but if you’ve only got two bases, it’s not baseball anyone, no matter how much you might like to think otherwise.
At one time, I thought that this sort of thing would end as events caused the real Christians to split away from those who merely “trade” in His name. Now, I think what will happen is that those with the counterfeit faith will succeed in redefining Christianity away from Jesus, and His true followers will be increasingly marginalized into criminals. We see that happening now with the emergent Evangelicals marginalizing the “fundamentalists” evangelicals, to the point of claiming that their’s was the proper definition of Christianity all along. Because of the resurgence of “thought crimes,” Christians and their stances are landing people in jail. It will get worse; much worse until the rapture.
The devil is the “father of lies” and truly, unbelievers are ever attached to the lie; they have been extremely successful in redefining the language to suite their perverted purposes. In view of this, I think they will succeed in steeling Christ’s name until that day of final reckoning.
Brett,
You hit the nail on the head. They are going to outlaw true Christianity and many of the ones doing it will still call themselves Christians. Now you know where the persecution at the 5th seal comes from. It mainly will come from harlot pluralist religion. ALL the blood of the prophets and saints were found in this whore. This is Mystery Babylon.
Many religious and world leaders are already saying that biblical fundamentalists are dangerous. To get the Muslims to crackdown on their own fundamentalists they will also have to promise to crack down on the teachings of Bible fundamentalists. They will redefine all religion and redefine which scriptures can be retained in the scriptures.
This is truly sad. We have a real enemy out there, and all you guys are doing is pointing the finger at a proclaimed Christian. I have witnessed with my own eyes and ears, Barack Obama confessing with his mouth, that Jesus is Lord. My Bible says Romans 10:9 that YOU can’t point fingers (well you can, but we have an enemy to accuse us already). Romans 8:1 says there is no condemnation for us christians, speaking negative about another human being, let alone the christian leader of your country, is not christian. Let God do the judging, gentlemen, as we do his righteous work. I will keep you, and my president in my prayers, God Bless you.
Since when do Christians believe in Universalism? Obama believes all religions lead to God. Every anti biblical stand Obama takes proves that He does not believe the teachings of the Bible or Christ. Confessing a different Jesus than the one clearly defined in the Bible does not make one a Christian. What is really sad is that many confessing Christians today have such little Christian discernment.
Obama confessed that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Savior, I saw it with my own eyes and ears. What Jesus was trying to get through to people was that being judgmental is not going to lead anyone to God. The truth is, if you seek the one true Living God, He will reveal himself to you, regardless of religious background, it will lead to Jesus Christ. I could take excerpts from you and put them on a website in a way that look like you are a separatist, communist, supremacist, or anything else, but the question is, why? Why try to spread fear and division? Why not spread encouragement and love. All promotion is from God, correct? Why not support God’s anointed. You’re not perfect, I’m not perfect, Obama’s not perfect (nor is he a Universalist), so instead of tearing down one man’s credibility as a christian, lets lift up the The Lord, so that He may draw all men unto Him. God Bless
1 Timothy 2
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Obama obviously does not know the person you say he confessed as his Lord and Savior. The Jesus Obama confessed in the radical cultist church that he attended for twenty years is the Jesus of Black Liberation Theology. This is not the biblical Jesus. Obama in a recorded interview in 2004 said he believed in Universalism so why do you tell me that he is not a universalist?
Anyone can see by what Obama supports (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, hate laws against Christians speaking what the Bible says, etc.) that he is not a Christian. Paul warned us of wolves in sheep’s clothing you ought to take heed to his advise. Obviously the wolves Paul warned us of take the appearance of sheep or Paul would not have indicated that they would. So how can you tell the sheep from the counterfeit? By having the biblical discernment to know if the tree is producing rotten or good fruit. How can anyone support the funding of the killing of babies and be a Christian? Every wonder why almost all conservative Christians are against Obama? Because Obama takes positions against everything the Bible teaches.
So do not accuse me of spreading fear and division when Obama is spreading the seeds that cause fear and division in this nation. Do you see him uniting the country or further dividing it? Obviously by the positions he takes he is dividing it and guess what side of the divide Obama is standing on? I have news, It is not on the side of the promised land. Obama is standing on the same side of the river as Sodom and Gomorrah.
If you actually followed what 1 Timothy 2:1 said you would be praying that Obama would be saved and that he would be able to discern good from evil. The Bible does not teach that in a Republic that the people of the light do do not expose the darkness. If you expect Christians to hide their light under a bushel you are in direct opposition to the teachings of Christ.
By the way that 2004 interview of Obama seems to be gone from the internet for whatever reason. But those of us who read it know what was said in that interview.
Here is another article that will tell you why Obama fails the Christian test
A lot of what you just said just isn’t true. Black liberation theology is based on the same Jesus that you are trying to condemn Obama with, it just states that Jesus wasn’t the European guy in the pictures (He’s not), Jesus was infact closer to black than white, but that doesn’t matter, love knows no color. Black liberation theology simply looks at Jesus in the cultural context relative to the times we’re living in. Maybe if you were oppressed you might understand why Jesus was born in a poor man’s setting, to give hope to the “little guys”. In my following Jesus, I find the Pharisees to be mighty close to the “conservative christians” in america. Like false accusations, Obama does not support nor condone homosexuality or abortions, anyone who knows american history knows prohibition never works. The best thing he can do in his position is to better educate people so that they don’t need or want abortions or homosexuality. Letting your light shine doesn’t mean imposing your will on others and sending them to hell when they take a different road. Obama and the fairness doctrine rumors are just that, rumors, so there is no evidence that he is trying to do that. If anything all this self destructive christianity is going to shut the mouths of the trangsressors, life and death is in the power of the tongue, the more you say you’re being silenced the more you will be. An interview in 2004 thats missing just might have been taken off because maybe whatever mistake that he made in that interview is not his current view. Jesus does change lives, you know, christian discernment is probably what got that interview taken off the net because its easy ammunition against an easy target. I’m a black man myself, and believe me, just about EVERYTHING i say gets misinterpreted by other races (not only whites)because, this you can tell by his unique brand of eloquence, honestly different races learn and use language in different ways. The whole point of us being the light is this, light overcomes darkness naturally, without effort, but for the light not to be seen, it must be hidden. Complaining and yelling SINNER! at people isn’t letting your light shine. Jesus had a similar situation to what you claim to have, the Caesar was not a Jew, nor did He believe in the one true God, or His statutes, yet Jesus not only didn’t complain, but He honored Caesar. So i say this, lets pray for the guy, and keep our communication about him and all others positive, holy and uplifting. Remember what Jesus said in Luke 6:42-45. What do you bring to the table? James 4:11
Since your a black man I wonder if you came here to defend a half black man or a half Christian with no obvious Spirit?
Black Liberation theology is not about Jesus being closer to black than white, etc. Liberation Theology is a humanistic revolutionary philosophy of Marxism and so is Black liberation theology.
http://www.gotquestions.org/liberation-theology.html
Obviously Obama condones homosexuality and abortions just look at what he says and look at his voting record. The first thing he did when taking office is sign a law making tax payers fund abortions. He has the most radical despicable record on abortions of anyone who was in Congress. Just because prohibition does not stop certain actions does not mean that Christians should actively support legislation to enable such evils.
You imply that Obama is doing something to educate people to reject abortions and homosexuality. Now what would that education be? I will tell you, the Obama administration is making schools teach kids that this lifestyle is normal and healthy. Get real!
Letting your light shine means that you are giving off the light of Jesus Christ instead of the darkness of the world. By the way Christians cannot send people to hell. People send themselves to hell because they rejected the light of the world. I assure you all who reject Jesus Christ are not going to be with Him for eternity. Now that is hell! I wonder what in the world you think the great commission is? We are to preach the good news to every creature and the good news is that you will not be condemned (to hell) if you come to God through Jesus Christ. There is no other way in which man must be saved!
Obama is not going to bring in the fairness doctrine if anyone does that it will be Congress and if they do he will sign it. What Obama really wants to do is have the FTC set up local community boards and the boards will be used to deny license renewals to radio stations that think are not being fair. So instead of free speech you have censorship by community committees. That is very communist. Obama knows that most radio stations are in cities and that cities tend to be liberal. That means most community boards that report on these radio stations to the FTC will be controlled by liberals.
I disagree that the more you defend Christian liberty the more you will be silenced. That is only true where Christianity is already repressed. America would never have existed if that were true. Evil abounds when good men do nothing. If we cannot say anything about what is wrong without being silenced then we have already lost this nation. Then all us Christians might as well just go join the Amish and not even take a role at all in what is going on in the nation. We should all just put are head between are legs and kiss our butts goodbye.
That interview in 2004 is a matter of record. Obama’s own words are recorded so don’t tell me it was taken off because it was some mistake. It probably is not available because the server is down and the server may be down for technical or political censorship reasons or perhaps the author might have took it down because she is taking to much heat or is covering up for what Obama said to her in that interview. I know what Obama said and so does everyone else who had a link up to that interview. It obviously was taken down recently or the Google links to the article from many sites including my own would not still be there. Besides, Obama said similar things since then. Christians do not say that Muslims and Christians worship the same God but he obviously says that they do. In that link I gave you in my last comment “why Obama fails the Christian test”. Much of what is reported is stuff that came from his own mouth. Try reading it instead of trying to defend the indefensible. Next you will tell me that Larry Flint is a Christian because he claims he had an out of body experience and talked to Jesus.
As for James 4:11 It is not speaking evil to tell the truth and Obama is not my brother if he denies the only true faith. One cannot keep taking stands against Christian doctrine and beliefs and call yourself a Christian. Well I guess that can if they are a liar.
Kingson T. might want to check out what that other conservative Christian pharisee named Alan Keyes has to say about Obama the Messiah and on many more topics. That’s what I call a patriot.
http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/
Different races learn and use language in different ways? No, no, no. Different interest groups abuse and pervert language to suit their own agenda and deceive the naïve public. Other that that, linguistic differences between different languages may cause misunderstandings but even Black Africans speak languages ranging from Semitic ones such as Arabic and Amharic, Chadic ones like Hausa, to Bantu languages like Swahili and many others that belong to different language families that I do not even know the names of. The Gospel truth, however, is absolute. It doesn’t matter what language is used to communicate it.
Jesus honored Caesar but Caesar did not honor Jesus and the Romans eventually allowed the Jews to have Him die on the cross merely for telling the Truth. Many German Christians thought just like you during the rise and reign of Hitler. Nothing but positivity. He was their God-sent Messiah. Those Christians that criticized him, however, were treated as dissenters and actively persecuted as enemies of the Nazi ideology. Catholic priests and Protestant pastors alike had to conform their message to the Gospel of Naziism or else they were to be punished and executed, much like what is happening in the registered churches of mainland China (go read on the Three-Self Patriotic Movement) and what is already happening in Europe and Canada thanks to ‘anti-discrimination’ and hate crime laws that your almighty Obama is also about to shove down America’s throat.
We don’t need no talk about positivity. What people need is to learn how to discriminate again between good and evil. Discernment and good judgment is what we need rather than the hear-no-evil-see-no-evil doctrines of postmodernity that withhold the truth from people in order not to offend.
Everything you’re saying is sounding just like the anti-bush blog sites, “he’s like Hitler” was done too many times already, to every president I’ve lived through. The question is, what has this, our president, self proclaimed follower of Christ. Who cares if you don’t think he’s a christian, he is, so what you say to deny him of that doesn’t matter. YOU don’t get to choose who’s christian and who’s not. And also, I’m finished arguing about this non truth. I wash my hands of it. I’m going to keep my faith and pray for you. We should be building, helping, serving. Not attacking our president, “spinning” his words like “cotton candy”. So thats what i’m going to do. God bless you.
If he is a Christian like you say I would like to see that reflected in his words and deeds and the people he appoints to positions of power. However, I see quite the opposite. Again, if there was no reason to warn us of false Christians Paul would not have warned us to look out for them. So yes, we do need to discern wolves from sheep. In fact, Paul publicly warned of certain false Christians by name. Likewise, most ministries today that deal with exposing cults and false teachers are warning Christians about Obama and his administration and their far left agenda. If I really need help in discernment I will rely on their astute biblical reasoning and understanding not yours.
I am not attacking our President. I am attacking what Obama has done in office that is destroying America and the foolish things they he himself claims he will do in the future. If the Supreme Court had the guts to look into the matter of his eligibility to even be our President, Obama might not even be in that office. I swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States and to protect it from all enemies foreign and domestic and I will try to keep my oath. Ever wonder why Obama gives a cold shoulder to our closet allies Britain and Israel and warms up to tyrants? Perhaps, birds of a feather flock together. Perhaps, we have met the enemy and some of them are us.
Christians should be telling the truth not toting party lines. Ever wonder why Christian leaders always end up in jail wherever there is tyranny? Because those who proclaim what God said in the Bible stand against evil and oppression and those that teach the Bible are a threat to evil leaders. Christians are destined to rule the earth under Christ they ought to at least be preparing for that role today by being salt and light to the world.
I know I said I’m finished but, come on, “cold shoulder” to Britain and Israel? Thats not at all true. Obama, unlike his predecessor, is not afraid of these so called tyrants, and its about time someone had the guts to look these “tyrants” in the eyes and say, “We’re not afraid of you, as a matter of fact, we’re going to be right here in your face, we see what you’re doing”. God did not give us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of power, love, and a sound mind. We are charged to go boldly unto all corners of the Earth(not just American-friendly places, like Israel and Britain), and preach the good news. Obama is clear on his stance to defend Israel, but he also is not ignorant to the fact that we are all God’s creation, not just the anglo-saxons, God wants EVERYONE to be saved. Love conquers all, does it not? Stop spreading your assumptions as if they were facts. We all know what happens when we assume. At least tell people that these are all speculations, none of them facts.
Obviously you not aware of current affairs or you would not make ignorant statements telling me that Obama did not give a cold shoulder to Prime Minster Brown of Britain when he came here. That is a matter of record. You also would know if you read that the Obama administration is giving a cold shoulder to Israel today. All you really have to do is a keyword search on the topic and read the news articles but learning the facts seems to be too much of an effort for a liberal. We see that in every policy liberals support and implement.
Obama claims he will defend Israel if Israel obeys him and pulls out of all land it needs for its own people’s defense while gaining nothing from their enemies but more terrorism. In other words Israel should just trust the Obama Messiah for their nation’s survival. I am told that Obama will even give Israel a nuclear umbrella as if that will help Israel after they are dead. Israel also was told it must not first strike Iran and try to save itself from Iranian nukes. With friends like that Israel does not need enemies.
My assumptions are usually based on facts and that is why I usually link to supporting articles. Your assumptions about Obama are obviously based on what you hear from leftist talking head TV programmers and the like minded people that you undoubtedly associate with.