Questions and answers at The Prophetic Years website

On February 24, 2014 · 24 Comments

The Prophetic Years website gets emails that have questions that often address issues that are not addressed on my website and blog or would not be easy to find if I had addressed these issues somewhere. I have selected five such emails below. I did edit them where appropriate so the senders could remain anonymous and for grammatical and subject clarity.

Question:

I’ll try to be brief: Thanks for you website.  I only wish I had more time to spend in it.  It is hard to find trustworthy information and good study material these days.
I’ve been studying and teaching  a small church adult class in II Peter 2 about false prophets and teachers, needless to say, there are so many forms of false prophets today. It is easy to pick out some of them and others are a bit more difficult to recognize, and those would be the most dangerous.  Some of your articles have been helpful.

In II Peter Chapt. 3.  the coming judgment of the God on the earth.   Is it safe to say that that particular judgment is after the Rapture and the Thousand year reign?

One more thing, we have had a couple of folk leave our church because the Pastor and I will not teach the “how of the resurrected body”, we believe and teach the resurrection, but for me I cannot teach the “how God is gonna do it”.
They have trouble with the term “new body”, but the descriptions I read in the Bible, certainly are gonna be “new To Me.  And I also believe as John said, that when he shall appear we shall be like him.  Is that enough or should we try to determine the “how God is gonna do this”?  Those that left have effected two families and caused some young folk to stop coming as well.

Don’ s answer:

II Peter chapter 3 is difficult to place in prophecy. The first part of the chapter is obviously talking about what people are saying before the Lord’s coming for His Church. However, verse 10 through the rest of the chapter seems to be talking about after the thousand-year reign. Or that part of the passage actually could have a lessor and greater fulfillment in the renewal of the atmosphere and earth at the end of this age and the renewal of the heaven and earth after the thousand-year reign and final rebellion.

One thing for sure is that we should not dogmatically build doctrine on just one difficult passage that on the surface seems to both support and contradict other positions.

Those that are going to leave fellowship over minor non-essential issues of doctrine probably would have found some other reason to do so anyway. As a teacher you must teach your understandings of the scriptures. If you just preach what people want to hear you fail being a teacher.

We will receive a new physical body. The Bible is clear that we shall be like Jesus. Jesus rose His body from the grave and He has substance and form and even ate food. Caterpillars seem to die but they become butterflies, so is it so great a mystery that human bodies are just the first stage of what we were designed to become at the resurrection?

Jesus compared our human body to a seed. The seed does not look anything like what it will become until it is put in ground and God raises it up. Another way of looking at it, is our soul is software that runs on a hardware platform called the body. Now it runs on a limited defective earthly platform that soon breaks down and decays but in the resurrection our soul will run on a perfect incorruptible platform that lives on forever. By the way, when the Bible talks about resurrection it is always talking about resurrection in a physical body.

 

Question:

I have been reading from your site and I will read some more. You say that Jesus was 100% God,do you mean that Jesus was God or God the Son or something else….Do you believe in keeping the Sabbath day etc……….

Don’s answer:

Jesus was 100 percent God and 100 percent man. YHWH/Jesus is the only express Image of the Father (Heb 1:3). The Father is Spirit and He transcends creation and no one in creation can know the Father except through the Son. It is not like the Father had a Son, the Son always existed as the express Image of God and all things in creation were created through Him by Him and for Him (Eph 3:9, Col 1:16). The Son is one with the Father. It is also the reason no other image of God is acceptable to God, He already has a visible Image and that is His Son. In my opinion, the Begotten Son is the one and only visible Image of God that His creation can see. The Son perfectly reflects the Father’s glory so we see the Father’s glory through the Son.

Therefore, the Son eternally existed with the Father as the Image of God and is the very same being that revealed Himself to Israel before His incarnation as a human. God became human to save the human race from their sins after Adam’s sin brought the human race sin, death, and separation from God. Sin has now been paid for by the Lamb of God and all those that trust in God’s righteousness to save mankind through His risen God/Man Messiah will be saved. These are born into His spiritual body as a new creation and they also will take on the God/Man nature of Jesus at the first resurrection.

Those in Jesus are to die daily to their own sinful works and do works of faith through the power of the Holy Spirit. Allowing God to do His works through those in the spiritual body of Christ is the true fulfillment of believers being in the Sabbath rest. Christians are told not to keep days or to look down on those brothers with lesser understanding that do.

 

Question:

I have a quick question about Christians being able to see evil spirits.  I had a Christian friend tell me that their family had a “visitor.”  I asked what she meant and she said that they see an evil spirit from time to time in their home.  I asked her what she believed she saw.  She said it’s like a black shadow of quick movement.  I asked her if that was really possible, and she said yes, because the Bible speaks of discerning spirits.  I told her that this is not what I believed the scripture to mean. It was not about seeing the spirit.  I told her all of the examples I could think of and have run across doing some research were instances of evil spirits entering and leaving people/animals not actually seeing some sort of shadowy figure.

Could you offer more insight into this?  After asking several Christians to point out an example or teaching in the Bible none was given to me, however, many people had related having similar experiences.  I’m seeking clarification to see if this is something actually supported by scripture.
Thank you for your time,

Don’s answer:

There is nothing in the Bible about seeing evil spirits. Disembodied demonic spirits are invisible spirits that seek to possess living beings to control.

Why do people claim these things? They are looking for them and they set up expectations that brings about hysteria in themselves and others. It is popular in Pentecostalism and spiritualism.

Mentalists make a living out of making people see things that are not there. Suggestion and implanted autosuggestion can play tricks on the mind. It has nothing to do with discerning of spirits. That was a gift of the Holy Spirit that helped keep the Church from being deceived by evil spirits before the Cannon of scripture was available to the Church to judge doctrine and practices that are not of God.

 

Question:

I began studying eschatology, doctrine, apostasy in earnest about 16 months ago. Spending lots of time reading comments on articles and blogs on these topics, I have been bothered by a couple of things.
1.  If the ministry of the Holy Spirit is to lead us in to all truth and teach us the Word, how come so many sincere believers (who have other aspects of doctrine correct) disagree on end times? For that matter, why so many disagreements on other doctrines?  I believe, through study, He led me to understand pretrib, premil dispensational view and I just cannot see how anyone can figure otherwise?!
2.  When Paul describes the falling away apostasy, is he inferring actual believers are some of those? Because that doesn’t seem possible to me.

Bottom line, when I read comments from believers who have other areas of their doctrine correct, yet hold to amill or replacement theology and are so dogmatic about it, I just cannot imagine them in  heaven with me.** They don’t believe in the rapture, so why would they want to be part of it? What will their reaction be? Why do some of us “see” it and others don’t who seem like real believers?

**I am not implying a belief in partial rapture. The whole bride will go in the rapture!

Would appreciate your thoughts.

Don’s answer:

1. True believers agree with the essential doctrines for faith and practice, but the churches have seen dimly on points in eschatology for various reasons. All orthodox believers believe in a literal second coming of Jesus but how they handle the prophetic scriptures differs according to their belief about Israel. Most in mainline churches do not believe in a literal future Israel, so for these, all prophetic scriptures is now about the spiritual Church.

Those that believe that everything is now about the Church and that God is done with Israel obviously had to make passages that spoke of a literal restoration of a natural Israel to be allegory or about something spiritual in the Church.

Basically, there is the Preterist view that all the prophecies about the end times took place in 70 AD. There is the Historicist view that the prophecies are playing out all through Church history. There is the Idealist view that makes prophecy allegory about a spiritual battle between good and evil and then you have the Futurist view that believes that unfilled prophecy will be fulfilled in a literal sense as they believe a common sense reading of the author requires.

Keep in mind, that for most of church history the common people never had access to the scriptures so people just believed what theologians and the clergy told them. That is still true in most mainline churches. People in these churches generally do not read the Bible for themselves.

With the printing press, the Bible became accessible to all, and some people read it for themselves using common sense interpretations. They saw that a lot of what the mostly amillennial theologians were saying were far-fetched interpretations. Even whole denominations could not agree on the meanings of the allegories. From the clear teaching in the scriptures there simply was no reason to believe that the future prophetic scriptures would not be fulfilled as written just as previous Bible prophecies were literally fulfilled as written.  So new theologies came about that taught if the interpretation of the prophecies made common sense using common sense rules of grammar that fit the context of what the rest of the passage said, people should not be searching for some allegorical or mystical spiritual meaning.

It all now comes down to how one handles the scriptures. Those that take prophetic scripture in the grammatical historical context hermeneutic, take what is said at face value. The others are still interpreting scripture through passed down theologies and erroneous replacement or super-secession theologies about Israel that cannot be supported by any common sense interpretation of the scriptures. If people use normal commonsense rules of language to interpret Bible prophecy, it makes sense to anyone that read it and believes what the author said. If teachers use their theology to reinterpret what the author said, it only makes sense to those that buy into their conjecture.

It is very difficult to make those blinded by preconceived theologies to see truth. It is not a failing of the Holy Spirit to lead men to the truth, it is the failing of men to study the truth given to show themselves approved. Also, end time doctrine was not critical for the Church to know since most future prophecy is about Israel and takes place after the Rapture of the Church. Unfortunately, Replacement Theology did lead to persecution of the Jews, but I hardly think that real Christians carried that out. Today, I think it is more important for the Church to know that time is short because it is short. Jesus will be coming for His Church very soon now.

2. The apostasy has been ongoing since Paul departed and is ever increasing in what is called Christendom. Those speaking about a departure from the faith in the end times were talking about those identifying with Christendom as a whole but departing from the foundations of the faith that were set in the New Testament. We see that taking place today in a big way. Many of the biggest denominations, churches and the most popular “Christian” leaders  are teaching a different gospel then the one clearly given in scripture. They are apostate.

They were not once believers that became Apostate, because if they had believed salvation doctrine to start with they would not have departed from it. These have a low view of scripture. They simply do not really believe that the Bible is uniquely the inerrant word of God, even if they confess to their followers such a belief. Some of these just think the Bible is a work of men. Others will add other “holy books” and some will claim to have received new revelation that they will claim is just as inspired as what the scriptures say. Probably more than half of the new evangelicals are in these camps. They are apostate.

True Christians do not depart from the faith because those elected to be saved were predestined before the foundations of the world to hear, believe, and receive Christ. Those given to Jesus hear the Word, believe, and are saved. Jesus loses none given to Him. However, the sad fact is that most in our modern churches are not true Christians.

3. There are a lot of people who think they are Christians because they belong to some denomination or church or are a church leader. In fact, they are the vast majority within “Christendom”. Many, think that because they once were pressured into saying some confession of faith that they are saved. Man is only saved by hearing the words of God, turning from their own sinful efforts to save themselves and instead trusting in the Messiah that God sent to take away their sins so they can be reconciled to God and receive His Holy Spirit.

Having said that, some true Christians are misled by others or have strange views on eschatology because they have mental disorders. Some are paranoid loonies and some have delusions of grandeur. The real question is why so many “Christians” hang on every word of the mentally deranged? A prime example is the New Apostolic Reformation cult at IHOP with Rick Joiner, Mike Bickle and the rest of the third wave signs and wonders Dominion Theology mental case leaders and another example is the Word of Faith speak it into existence clone leaders.

I hope that clarifies things a bit,

 

Question:

Have you considered the upcoming astrological events and cycles based on the NASA website where it is posted the solar and lunar eclipse catalogs?  NASA has catalogs of these events for that cover 5 millennia and there will be some interesting astrological events beginning to occur starting in 2014 thru 2015.

NASA is projecting the 8th Lunar Eclipse Tetrad to occur in the previous 2 millennia.  These consecutive total lunar eclipses have occurred most recently during 1967/68, 1949/50 and 1492.  The next projected Tetrad will not occur again in another 500 years.  Of course with the Jewish calendar revolving on lunar cycles these “blood moons” will fall on Passover 4/15/2013, Tabernacles 10/08/2014, Passover 4/4/2015 and Tabernacles 9/28/2015.  What’s quite interesting is that two solar eclipse will be occurring during this cycle.  Rosh Hoshana 3/20/2015 and a total solar eclipse on Feast of Trumpets 9/13/2105.

Recently I had an opportunity to speak with a Jewish Rabbi, here in Las Vegas, and he answered some questions about Sabbatical/Shemita years and Jubilee/Yovel years.  In the fall of 2014 thru 2015, 5775 of the Jewish calendar, will be a Shemita year.  And if all the tribes were gathered in Israel, this Shemita would be their 7th Shemita year since 1967 and 2015-2016/5776 would be a Jubilee year for Judaism.  Furthermore, this Jubilee/Yovel would be the 70th Yovel to occur since 1415 BC which is the approximate time that Israel entered into the promised land.  I find it interesting that a Jubilee year occurred in 1967, the year Israel recovered Jerusalem and the previous Tetrad of Lunar Eclipses and though 1917 wasn’t a Tetrad Cycle, it was a Jubilee year and the year the England issued the Balfour declaration that indicated England would support the foundation of a Jewish state and the year Ottomans lost Palestine during World War 1.

In regards to your previous posts on the web, have you ever considered a connection with these upcoming dates?  How would they fit in with end times eschatology?  The Rabbi mentioned off-hand that some observant Jews believe that the appearance of Meshiach Ben David will appear with the advent of this Yovel.

Thank your for you attention to this email.

Don’s Answer:

I wish I had a dollar for every-time someone told me about these blood moons and coming Jubilees.

The 2014 and 2015 events might have some significance to some event in Israel but these natural reoccurring blood moons are certainly not what Joel and Jesus were talking about. Keep in mind that also the sun will be turned dark, the seas will be roaring, and people will be hiding in holes in the ground for fear of what they see coming on the earth. If what is spoken about is a natural event, it could be nothing less than a great comet causing these things or a Pole shift. The heavens will be shaken. This is not talking about eclipses but that is what these so-called blood moons are.

As for Jubilees, people are all over the map on the dates of future Jubilees – there is no common agreement, just Google it for yourself.

I simply do not think that Rabbi’s have any inside knowledge of end time events. The Jews are still blinded. They rejected their Messiah and continually prove that they cannot save themselves. I am sure if you talked to this Rabbi he would think that God will now fight for Israel. However, scripture says the Jews will flee to the mountains from the Beast and two-thirds in Israel will be killed in the still coming time of Jacob’s trouble.

I just do not see the last seven years for Israel playing out this decade. Keep in mind, that some people have seen the end coming in their own decade since at least 1948 and they all came up with what they thought were reasonable explanations why they thought it would happen in their decade. They were all wrong.


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 Don Koenig founded www.thepropheticyears.com website in 1999 after almost thirty years of independent study on the Bible and learning from many astute teachers within Christendom. Don created his website to write about Bible prophecy, biblical discernment and his Christian worldviews. Don wrote a free Revelation commentary ebook in 2004 named "The Revelation of Jesus Christ Through The Ages". The World and Church and Bible Prophecy section of this website was started in 2007.


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24 Responses to “Questions and answers at The Prophetic Years website”

  1. RyanNo Gravatar says:

    To your first question on the resurrected body I to have questioned how it would be done and what the new body would be like. When trying to study what the new body would be like I went back to the fall itself and I would love to here your thoughts on this Don. One fact about our fallen body is everything seen exterior (Skin, hair teeth ect.) is dead. The living cells of our bodies are interior and have to be covered by a layer of dead cells to survive. So, In my mind, its highly possible that Adam and Eve’s exterior bodies were made up of living cells and not dead ones like ours. If that is the case then it would explain there recognition that the were naked after the fall because they would certainly see the dead and corrupted exterior on each other. So is it out of the relm of thought that our New un-corruptible body would be like Adams before the fall? There are several other things that I have thought about that go along with this such as the difference in recognition of Christ by demons and people but thats off topic.

  2. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Hi Ryan,

    I really don’t think our risen bodies will be like the earthly body of Adam. If Adam had eaten the tree of life his body may have become like ours will be in the resurrection, but he did not. The scripture says that the first Adam was made a living soul but the last Adam is make a quickening spirit. So the bodies are not the same.

    Our bodies will be very much like the risen body of Jesus. If His body was just living cells as you suggest, Jesus could not have appeared and disappeared at will and could not have passed through solid barriers like walls. The risen body will be like that of angels that can take on human form.

    Rather than speculate further, the scripture really does address this issue. I will highlight what seems appropriate.

    1 Cor 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
    36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
    37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
    38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
    39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
    40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
    41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
    43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
    44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
    47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
    48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
    49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

  3. Paul SimmonsNo Gravatar says:

    We’re given a hint about one aspect of our new body, and that is that it won’t be kept alive by blood, and here’s why: when Jesus appeared to the disciples after His resurrection, He told them,”…handle me and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as ye see me have.” [Luke 24:39]. We know Jesus’ body had no blood in it at that time because He had presented it to the Father in heaven as the payment for our sin. The scripture also says that when we see Him next (which will be at the Rapture if we haven’t already died)we’ll be like Him [1st John 3:2].

    In 1st Corinthians 15:50, Paul tell us that,”…flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God…”; therefore, using a little sanctified logic, we can deduce that our resurrected bodies will not be kept alive by blood, but by the Holy Spirit. Look in Revelation for some traits of the saints in New Jerusalem and you can see some of the traits of the resurrection body : we won’t die, we won’t get sick, we won’t get tired, we won’t need to sleep … etc.

  4. Dorrene MNo Gravatar says:

    Thank you for everything you do. You have enriched my walk with YESHUA in just this brief time. Shalom.

  5. CraigNo Gravatar says:

    I think I am looking forward to the Holy Spirit keeping me alive versus the Flesh.

    In the mean time, besides battling my own flesh, I/we are battling the worldy powers and principalities.

  6. CraigNo Gravatar says:

    Hi, I have a question, although I’m not sure how this will be worded…

    We all know the phrase “God is in control”, with all the use and mis-use thereof.

    I don’t have a particular scripture or more in mind, at least not immediate, but I am formulating that, with God the Father, there is no chance to matters. In some ways, this is comforting and gives me strength to continue to “fight the good fight”.

    There’s a question in there some where. I guess it is whether there is scripture that would confirm or “throw a wrinkle” to my notion.

  7. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Craig,

    Believers might read Roman’s chapter 8. The whole Bible makes it clear that God is in control and knows the end from the beginning and determines the outcomes as given by the prophetic scriptures.

    Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
    10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

  8. CraigNo Gravatar says:

    Hi, while we’re doing Q&A… I have been studying and contemplating Rev 6:1 for some and there is a portion of the verse that has my curiosity. Here is the KJV verse:

    > And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

    Now, the word ‘noise’ is number 5456, which is translated “voice” most everywhere else (in the New Testament).

    My interest is in the phrase “noise of thunder”. One possible way to interpret this, to the layperson such as myself, is that the noise of thunder is referring to the voice of the beast that says “come and see”. Or, the noise of thunder is referring to something that occurs on earth, as the commentary eludes. The latter interpretation most definitely has my attention.

    If the “noise of thunder” is something that occurs on earth, presume prior to the rider on the white horse (??), then it lends to speculation as to what that could be. And, I, for some reason or another (maybe subconsciously), speculate that this could be the removal of the American continent from the world power context (i.e., war, surprise attack [on the grid]).

    Note I read Romans 8 earlier today (just once through). I need to reread it a few times more.

    Blessings

  9. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Hi Craig,

    I think the Bible in basic English and the ASV gives the likely interpretation. It is one of the four living creatures that has the voice of thunder.

    ASV Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, Come.

    BBE Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb undid one of the stamps, and the voice of one of the four beasts came to my ears, saying as with a voice of thunder, Come and see.

    The rest of what you said is just one heck of a conjecture founded on absolutely nothing in the Bible.

  10. FountNo Gravatar says:

    The correct timing of all the events of II Peter 3 also used to confuse me. I finally worked out a scripture commentary that works for me – so try this one out…

    First off, from the many readings about the Day of the Lord elsewhere in the Bible I have come to see this DOL as a period of time – not as an actual day on a human calendar. Verses 1-9 are events leading up the Day of the Lord period. Verse 8 even gives us a hint that the DOL “day” will equals 1,000 years on Earth (a formula first expressed by Moses so not a new concept).

    I see the last two of the seals, the 7 trumpets and the 6 bowls of Revelation ALL then preparing the earth (by calling all to repentance) for the actual beginning of the Day of the Lord period (which also begins a 1,000 years on earth). This beginning STARTS with the 7th bowl – the defeat of the anti-Christ, the False Prophet and their armies by Jesus the Christ. When Jesus sets foot on earth for the second time (after winning at Armageddon) – this begins the Day of the Lord – his 1,000 year reign on Earth (which really is only 1 day from the point of view of God).

    Now 2 Peter 3:10-13 can be seen to be firmly in the Day of the Lord – with the destruction of the world by fire (also seen in verse 7) occurring on the LAST day of the period of the Lord – the last day of the 1,000 years of Jesus’ reign on earth. (His actually reign seems to work out to within a couple of days of 1,000 years but that is another issue altogether.) Again, even this slightly extended time still seems to be during the 1 day from the point of view of God (what is a couple of days over 1,000 years?).

    The next event is the Great White Throne judgment (see Revelation) of all who ever lived. It seems human time is no more as including this judgment also fits the description of the DOL elsewhere in the Bible. So the last day of earth (being destroyed by fire) is also the same as the first day of the GWT judgment. (Again echoes verse 7 & verse 13 – we should be living our lives looking forward to the New Jerusalem descending to the New Earth for all righteous to eternally dwell with God & Jesus).

    Hope this contributes to the conversation…

    Maranatha!

  11. CraigNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks Don, Much appreciative.

    Possibly even more so when my interpretation and conjecture are off base, it is good to be corrected. And that helps everybody out there walking through the apropos scripture. I have one of those “multi-translation” bibles (in hard copy). I need to consult that more often.

    The condition of the world, particularly close to home, at the time (and period before) of the breaking of the first seal, has been of keen interest/speculation on my part.

    Respectfully

  12. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Hi Fount,

    Sounds reasonable, I have heard this before. The only problem I have is that scripture says that after the thousand years expired Satan will be released to deceive people all over the earth and will gather them for a rebellion against Jerusalem. How long does this take? It seems to be more than a few days and if so how can the destruction of the earth happen in the Day of the Lord that started well over 1000 years prior? This would mean the reign of Jesus is 1000 years but the Day of the Lord is somewhat longer and Satan will be deceiving the world within the Day of the Lord. That somehow does not seem logical to me.

  13. CraigNo Gravatar says:

    To add, I am under the impression that the Bride is not subject to the great white thrown judgment, as the Bride attends the wedding supper and receives rewards thereof.

  14. FountNo Gravatar says:

    Don

    There are a lot of things to fit into the Day of the Lord. The Old Testament says it will be both a “day” (period) of judgment and of reward. Satan (while he is around) can certainly be up to his traditional lies during this period – but I see it as only a few days during the 1,000 year (or so) period.

    I know you are not a big fan of this style of matching up – but I am happy with the outcome of matching events of the end of the age with the last four of the moedin (what is usually called the Jewish feasts) of the Old Testament.

    That would make Yom Teruah (The Feast of Trumpets) – falling on 1 Tishri – being fulfilled with the 1st Trumpet judgment of Revelation. Like the space between Yom Teruah and Yom Kippur – the ten days – are called the days of awe, I then see ten years (and ten days) of awe between the first trumpet and the fulfillment of Yom Kippur (Atonement). Those years & days of awe are designed by God to awe the world while calling all the sinners to repent and be reconciled to Him through His Son – Jesus the Christ.

    Yom Kippur – falling on 10 Tishri – would be fulfilled with the defeat of the anti-Christ, the False Prophet and their followers by the 7th bowl of God’s wrath – the return of Jesus Christ to earth at the battle of Armageddon. The ultimate atonement is achieved by this defeat of world wide evil and restoring the kingdom of the world to Jesus.

    I then see a five “earth day” delay between that defeat on Yom Kippur and when Jesus actually starts His reign – on the first day of Sukkot (Tabernacles)- falling on 15 Tishri. This is when He really starts to tabernacle with us (dwell with us) – for a 1,000 years.

    Then at the end of the 1,000 years Satan is released on Yom Kippur (again on 10 Tishri). The forces of evil are ready – since they know his release is coming – so they quickly rally behind him and yet he and all of them are still defeated only 6 days later. This would be like the six day war the modern Jews fought in 1967 – ending with the restoration of the Temple Mount to them. Six days later would be on the 7th and last day of Sukkot – falling on 21 Tishri. The Jews call this day Hoshana Rabbah – because this is the final sealing of the judgment begun on Yom Teruah – which falls on 1 Tishri – so this would be sealing the judgment which begun on the first trumpet judgment of Revelation (1,000 years and 21 days later).

    The Great White Throne judgment also falls on this last day of Tabernacles – 22 Tishri. I also don’t see the raptured Christians or the Christians who were resurrected after the Great Tribulation as having to go through this as we were obviously judged by being brought up by Jesus already. (Maybe we get some of those five crowns as appropriate.) For me, this ends the Day of the Lord period – lasting 1,000 years (and 7 days).

    I am good with the 1,000 years versus the 1,000 years and a few days here and there – that is a very small % difference while still being 1,000 years.

    Then God comes back off His “Sabbath rest” (as the earliest Christians pointed out about the end of the age – just like in Genesis) since Jesus has been reigning the last 1,000 years. This would be on the most overlooked moedin – the 8th one. This is the eight day assembly called Shemini Atzeret – it falls on 22 Tishri. Linked to Tabernacles but not really a part of it – it is when the faithful community is called to assemble together – for the closing festival. What could be more closing than the New Jerusalem coming down as the eternal dwelling place of God, Jesus and all of their faithful followers. Time as man has known it seems to cease at this point in time.

    Does this clarification seem more logical?

  15. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Fount,

    Actually, I do think the major end time events will be fulfilled on fall holidays for Israel, and it makes quite a bit of sense that these feasts will also mark the end of the millennial period. You might have something there.

  16. RyanNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks so much for your help Don For some time I have had the impression that Adams body before the fall was much like Jesus’s resurrected body. 1 Cor 15:45 certainly gives a better understanding of that. In reading 1 Cor 15 its easy for me to focus on the message of my own body and flesh that I won’t have to battle anymore as Craig pointed out. Rather than the difference between Adam and Christ’s bodies

  17. Dorrene MNo Gravatar says:

    Don: I will be 34 years sober the end of June. I started out in AA because most Christian churches do not have detox or treatment centers. Plus, I was raised catholic (private schools etc).
    I won’t spend much time here on my recovery here other I’ve known from the beginning my recovery is directly due to GOD’s Grace.

    When I lived in NOLA for 16 years I had numerous folks ask me for help/input that are gay (homosexual). Now they knew I am a born again believer. I usually go for a walk and bring my NKJV. Once we had walked a mile or so in a park and have released tension, we sit at a picnic table. I then ask them to set aside their sexual orientaion and take them to Romans 3:23. And then to the commandments. I talk about the pharisees and what Yeshua’s problem with them was during His ministry on earth. Then I talk with my fellow citizens about the Garden and what the original design was and how we ALL have screwed up! I ask them to ask Yeshua to change their heart. I also state that the god with the small g will come against them. I talk about pitiful and incomprensible demoralization.

    I do all of this gently and with the LOVE of CHRIST. The results I leave to Christ.

    Keep me in prayer that my body and brain continue to heal.
    Love & serenity, D

  18. Dorrene MNo Gravatar says:

    Don, There seems to be a young man on Netanyahu’s cabinet that we need to encourage through prayer: Nahftali Bennett. He bravely fights against giving away anymore land to the Palestinians especially the hilltops land where said Palestinans could lob more rockets on Israel. I’ve written Pres Obama’s staff numerous times about this. I’m probably on a watch list by now. Do you know much about this young man?

  19. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Dorrene M

    I do not know nothing about this man. In the end Israel will flee from the Land from the Antichrist because they have not received their Messiah so all this human effort for peace in Israel is futile.

  20. Dorrene MNo Gravatar says:

    Did you realize that the Palestinians are self-governing in Israel? And that their quality of life is much higher than where they were ‘displaced’ to? And that they chose to be displaced in 1948 (cause syria, egypt….were going to murder all the Jews)?

  21. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Dorrene M,

    I am not sure what you are saying, but the Arabs living in the land of Israel who left Israel at the time of the Arab invasion in 1948 would have been much better off if they had never left Israel. Some of the so called Palestinians are descendents of the Arabs that left Israel in 1948. Also, Arabs that stayed in Israel and are living there today lead a pretty good life compared to those that left Israel thinking that the Arabs would be victorious. I think regulars that follow this blog generally know these things.

  22. Dorrene MNo Gravatar says:

    Don, That is exactly right. I have written pointed letters to whitehouse.gov re the condition of the 6.1 MILLION square miles the moslems contol in the middle east vs the ~8K square miles that the Jewish folks contol. The moslems can’t even stop murdering their own as in syria. It is INSANE to give these people more land.

    Anyway I’ve prayed unceasingly……..I’m worn out! I want my sweet LORD now. I want out of this hell-hole!

    The elites of both parties can take this god’s (satan) land straight to hell where they ALL belong.

    And don’t let the door hit them in the arse……

  23. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Dorrene M,

    You are just spitting into the wind. The leaders in Washington have known the truth all along. They think if they can appease the Arabs by lying, that will bring peace. The end justifies the means with Progressive Marxists. That is event everywhere in our own country. Marxists are not sane people, and telling them the truth about anything is not going to change their insanity.

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