Boy do I have mixed feeling about this article by Chuck Baldwin because it is just chock full of truth spun with some of his usual crap. Please read the full article and not just what I clipped so you can follow what I am about to say about Baldwin’s views.

First, I do not like his title although there may be some in truth in it. However, my definition of a lazy Christians is not Chuck Baldwin’s definition. To me lazy Christians are those will will not read the word, take the time to fellowship with God, or with other Christians and do little if any work for Christ on earth. Baldwin in his articles seems to think you have to be an American Patriot resisting the New World Order in order to be a fruitful Christian.

Second, I disagree that Christians cannot know the season of the Lord’s return. In spite of the usual passages that Baldwin uses out of context as if they were for the latter day Church. The Church can know the season of the Lord’s return and can know that the days we live in are prophetic times and very near the time of Christ’s return. It would make no sense for Jesus to tell us to watch if there was nothing to look for. I will not burden anyone here with how we can know these things from the signs in scripture and the signs in world trends. You can read all that in my twenty-five article series on World Current Events and Bible prophecy.

Next, I do agree with Baldwin that some following Bible prophecy have become unbalanced and do have the attitude that it all has to end within a decade. Some spend their days doing nothing but looking for tea leaves to reinforce their speculation. The prophetic scripture is not enough for them so they go to Islam eschatology and read books based on pagan myths or hidden formulas that conform to their 2012 – 2019 deadline for Christ to return. There is a lot of that going on. I call them the post-modern theologians of Christian eschatology because whatever is relevant to their new found theory or Gnostic truth is used regardless of the source.

In my opinion, Baldwin in his many articles confuses Christian constitutional patriotism with the Christian commission. Frankly, he seems to believe in American Christian dominionism. He seems to think that those not pursuing the goal to make America ruled by Christians are not pulling their weight. Also, much of what he says about our forefathers is true but not all all of them were the wonderful Christians that Baldwin paints. Just read early American history and you will see many evils. Most did confess Christianity but their actions did not always reflect Christianity. They had diverse differences in what true Christianity was in their faith and practice. Defacto Christianity in America was not really established by some great Christian effort by our forefathers as Baldwin indicates. Christianity became the defacto religion because almost all American early immigrants were already Christians. Most of them left Europe become of the persecution there against Christians.

Baldwin said if pastors and Christians of Colonial America believed and acted as most Christians believe and act today this country would still be a Crown colony. The fact is that most pastors and Christians had no part against the Crown at first. It was only a very small percentage of elitists that broke with the British and led the American rebellion. Since when is rebellion initiated by God anyway? The early settlers were not really living under tyranny, they were some of the freest people on earth at the time. Who knows what America would be like today if there never had been an American revolution? We would probably be another common-wealth country. Did nations like Canada fair that much worse than us? After looking at American wars and our civil strife are we that much better off because of the revolution?

Which brings me to another point. What new world order are Christians supposed to rebel against? Baldwin’s Illuminati conspiracy version, the present version, the half dozen future versions that are on think tank drawing boards, or maybe one that has not even been conceived yet? Why is world government more evil than nation government even before the arrival of the Antichrist? Should not Christians be working from within to be the salt and light to the coming world government? After all, we already know a world government is coming. Bible prophecy tells us so. The world had previous world kingdoms did God tell his people to rebel against them? So who says that a future world government has to be evil and not in God’s will? The next world government is likely to occur some years before Satan is cast out of Heaven and given free reign.

That is not to say that Christians should not oppose evil anywhere but lets really draw the line on opposing what is evil, and not determine what is good and evil based on Baldwin’s vision of some future real or imagined evils of a new world order.

I do not like the slave-like mentality that people in America have today either, but it seems to me that our government is really a reflection of the people of this nation. Americans put their task masters into power and if Americans did not want them they would get rid of them. They want them because they promise them handouts. So why do we tolerate evil in America? Because that is what most Americans want. America morally is post Christian. Even many so called Christians are morally post Christian. So knowing that, how does Baldwin or anyone else expect to establish some new Christian dominionism in the United States? Through force? Through civil disobedience? It is not likely that it will be done through ballets because we are certainly outnumbered. The only real way to achieve this goal would be through conversion of Americans to true Christianity but Baldwin is not ever suggesting that. Instead he expects to get Christian blood out of a dead stone.

I do agree with Baldwin that many Christians see Bible prophecy and the world through American eyes and wrongly think America will never see judgment before the Rapture. It is obviously to me that we will, in fact the judgment has already started because even so called Christians have rejected God in their actions and choices and that is reflected in the evil people they put into power.

God can bless America if we turn back toward him. However, it is not the teaching of Bible prophecy that is preventing that from happening. It is as Baldwin himself said and that actually contradicts his thesis that Christians are using Bible prophecy as an excuse to become lazy.

I believe the real reason why so many professing Christians are so apathetic
and indifferent to what is happening has nothing to do with the teachings
of Scripture, Bible doctrine, eschatology, or anything of the like.
It has everything to do with old-fashioned laziness. Today’s average
Christian just flat does not want to be bothered. He has a comfortable
house, an easy chair, television, and a set of golf clubs in the closet.
He takes two or three weeks’ vacation every year, goes to church on
Sunday (a church that does not intrude on his comfort zone, of course),
pays taxes, and votes for his favorite “pro-life” Republican
candidate every two years, and assumes that he is a “good”
Christian and “patriotic” American. He is neither!

So even Baldwin admits that belief in the soon return of the Lord’s is not the real problem with Christians. The problem is that Christians in the U.S. have just become laodicean and lazy. If we can get pastors to solve the lukewarm issue in the Church, that will be about the best pastors can do to solve the issue of evil in America.

Chuck Baldwin — Christians Use Prophecy To Excuse Laziness

In response to my two previous columns regarding the current development of a devilish New World Order, many professing Christians wrote me with comments to the effect that we should not be concerned about whatever global tyranny may be developing, because “it’s all a part of God’s plan,” or “Jesus is coming soon,” and similar statements. I, too, believe in the imminent return of Jesus Christ to earth. But, then again, so did Christians from every generation over the last two millennia. In fact, the Apostle Paul was looking for the return of Christ while he lived (Philippians 3:20). But does anticipation of Christ’s Second Coming excuse personal neglect, indifference, and downright laziness? Of course not.

When confronted with an obvious evil (a burgeoning tyrannical New World Order, not to mention a number of lesser evils), modern Christians will shrug and glibly say, “It’s God’s will; we must not oppose it,” or words to that effect. This attitude says, “I will tolerate or even condone evil in order to hasten Christ’s return.”

In the first place, no one knows when Christ will return, no matter how many books or tapes they have produced to say they do.

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In the meantime, millions of Christians across America are trying to play God. They talk as if they know when Christ will come. It’s actually worse than that. They have the attitude that they have no personal responsibility to defend freedom and resist despotism. They seem to look at God as some kind of glorified fireman, who is obligated to rush in at the last minute to rescue them from a burning fire–a fire that they helped ignite, or at least, refused to put out themselves when they had the opportunity to do so. It’s the old, “God would not let that happen in America” syndrome.

I believe the real reason why so many professing Christians are so apathetic and indifferent to what is happening has nothing to do with the teachings of Scripture, Bible doctrine, eschatology, or anything of the like. It has everything to do with old-fashioned laziness. Today’s average Christian just flat does not want to be bothered. He has a comfortable house, an easy chair, television, and a set of golf clubs in the closet. He takes two or three weeks’ vacation every year, goes to church on Sunday (a church that does not intrude on his comfort zone, of course), pays taxes, and votes for his favorite “pro-life” Republican candidate every two years, and assumes that he is a “good” Christian and “patriotic” American. He is neither!

A real Christian patriot would never allow his country to be taken over by a gaggle of elitist goons bent on stealing his liberties–including his religious liberties–without doing everything in his power to prevent it. A real Christian patriot is active, alert, engaged, zealous, and committed to preserving liberty.

Tell me again that “there is nothing we can do about it,” or “it’s God’s will,” or “Jesus is coming soon.” Better yet, tell it again to the suffering Christians around the world; tell it again to our Christian forebears; tell it again to your children and grandchildren who are going to inherit a land of tyranny and oppression, all because you were too lazy to resist.

So, the next time you hear some piety-draped Christian talking about how he won’t engage the enemy and fight for liberty, because of prophecy, or some other spiritually-sounding platitude, just remember, it has nothing to do with prophecy, or anything of the sort: it has everything to do with old-fashioned laziness.

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I agree with what Chuck Baldwin is saying. The Conservative movement is dead and trying to raise it from the dead in the Republican party will just raise a dead man walking. The Republicans did nothing but make a mockery of Christian Conservatives over the years. What Conservatives need is a new “Heartland Party” that is solidly conservative and the time to build that Heartland Party is now.

If we waste our time with the tested and the failed Republican establishment we are fools. If you put your hope in a woman in Alaska like she can ever get elected in this nation through the Republican establishment without embracing their agenda you are wrong. If you think she can change the entrenched Republican establishment you are wrong. She would just have to embrace their agenda like she did with McCain or she will get no support. If you put your hope in Newt Gingrich running the Republican party the Republicans might even win a election someday but nothing will change for Christian Conservatives. The Republicans will still just go along with the progressive agenda like they did for the last forty years. Gingrich is just another opportunist and globalist who has drank the global warming Kool-Aid that will bring more taxes and control on everything and everyone. It will be Republican business as unusual if Conservatives stay with the Republicans.

We need radical change and that means a Christian/Conservative Heartland Party that is formed from the grass roots of rural people in America. There are fundamental value differences between Americans in rural areas and those living in big cities and in the high density coast lands. We need a party that represents the conservative and Christian rural people of heartland America.

The time to start this new party is now and all time wasted trying to resurrect the Republican Party is wasted time. All we need is the support of ten percent of the people of America to get this new Heartland Party off the ground and in a position of national attention by 2011-2012. When god fearing Christians and true conservatives see that there is a viable alternative to the Republicans they will abandon the
Republican Party like rats from a sinking ship. But A new party that represents the Heartland will never happen if nobody ever tries to bring it about.

Chuck Baldwin — Conservatives Lost More Than An Election

For all intents and purposes, conservatism–as a national movement–is completely and thoroughly dead. Barack Obama did not destroy it, however. It was George W. Bush and John McCain who destroyed conservatism in America.

Soon after G.W. Bush was elected, it quickly became obvious he was no conservative. On the contrary, George Bush has forever established himself as a Big-Government, warmongering, internationalist neocon. Making matters worse was the way Bush presented himself as a conservative Christian. In fact, Bush’s portrayal of himself as a conservative Christian paved the way for the betrayal and ultimate destruction of conservatism (something I also predicted years ago). And the greatest tragedy of this deception is the way that Christian conservatives so thoroughly (and stupidly) swallowed the whole Bush/McCain neocon agenda.

For example, Bush and his fellow neocons like to categorize and promote themselves as being “pro-life,” but they have no hesitation or reservation about killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in reckless and unconstitutional foreign wars. By the same token, how many unborn babies were saved by six years of all three branches of the federal government being under the control of these “pro-life” neocons? Not one! Ask the more than eight million unborn babies who were killed in their mothers’ wombs during the last eight years how “pro-life” George W. Bush and John McCain are.

As a result of this insanely inconsistent and pixilated punditry, millions of Americans now laugh at the very notion of “pro-life” conservatism. Bush and McCain have made a mockery of the very term.

Across the country, rather than stand on principle, hundreds of thousands of pastors, Christians, and pro-life conservatives capitulated and groveled before John McCain’s neocon agenda. In doing so, they forfeited any claim to truth, and they abandoned any and all fidelity to constitutional government. They should rip the stories of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego out of their Bibles. They should never again tell their children, parishioners, and radio audiences the importance of standing for truth and principle. They have made a mockery of Christian virtue. No wonder a majority of the voting electorate laughs at us Christians. No wonder the GOP crashed and burned last Tuesday.

Again, it wasn’t Barack Obama who destroyed conservatism; it was George W. Bush, John McCain, and the millions of evangelical Christians who supported them. And until conservatives find their backbone and their convictions, they deserve to remain a burnt-out, has-been political force. They have no one to blame but themselves.

And since it is unlikely that the Republican Party has enough sense to understand any of this and will, therefore, do little to reestablish genuine conservative principles, it is probably best to just go ahead and bury the scoundrels now and move on to something else. Without a sincere commitment to constitutional government, the GOP has no justifiable reason to ever govern again. Therefore, put a fork in them. They are done. Let a new entity arise from the ashes: one that will stand for something more than just “the lesser of two evils.” As we say in the South, That dog just won’t hunt anymore.

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I am not sure that Chuck Baldwin did not just create his own little straw-man argument here. I do not hear Christians saying that we should just let the world become more evil because we know it is coming. I doubt if Chuck Baldwin did either. Who would be dumb enough to even say something like that to Chuck Baldwin? And for enough people to says it to him to make this a real issue is simply beyond my believe.

So I think what we have here is what Chuck Baldwin thinks that some other Christians think, but frankly I do not think his view is valid unless the people that give him this idea are not really Christians. What is totally valid is Chuck Baldwin’s view that Christians should resist evil wherever it is.

The truth is that the Holy Spirit in Christians is the restraining influence that stops evil from taking over the world before the appointed time. Until the Church is removed evil people will wax worse and worse but the Spirit filled people will wax better and be a counterforce where they are located.

Is this the generation that will allow America to be overcome by evil because of unbelief and apathy as Chuck Baldwin suggests? It most certainly is if American “Christianity” continues down the path of apathy, apostasy and biblical ignorance. It certainly appears to me that it will.

Chuck Baldwin — Apathetic Pastors And Christians Killing America

I have even had Christians tell me that we should not oppose any attempts to resist draconian developments within our country, because doing so would actually be resisting God. The reasoning goes something like this: “The Bible says things will get worse and worse. Therefore, all this ‘bad’ stuff happening is God’s will, and if we try to prevent it, we are fighting against God’s will.” I know it sounds incredible, but we might be shocked as to the number of professing Christians that actually subscribe to such nonsense.Isn’t it interesting, however, that these same Christians did not believe we were fighting against God’s will when we sent hundreds of thousands of U.S. military forces (many of them Christians) to fight and destroy the evil regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq? If things are supposed to get worse and worse and we would be opposing God’s will by resisting, why should we interfere in Iraq? Why should we send troops to Afghanistan, if we are not to resist evil?

And, of course, the bigger question is, If it is right to resist evil in a foreign country half way around the world, why is it not right to resist evil in our own country?

I think civil insurrection is in our future. I wrote about how I think this might come about in my imminent danger series. Chuck Baldwin is one of those Christian patriot leaders that will join with a secessionist movement if hate speech laws are passed and constitutional rights reversed. Many heartland American patriots and conservative Christians will join with leaders like Him. I was not just blowing smoke when I wrote my article.

People in the heartland will not put up with godless socialism being shoved down their throats and the throats of their families. These days are almost certainly coming. I am not advocating a break up of the Union but I see that if we remain on our present course it is inevitable. Read my article and then read Baldwin’s article.

Chuck Baldwin — Are We Headed For Jericho?

I personally believe there are only three reasons why we are not already living the Jericho experience. One, people have been quite comfortable in their own personal lifestyles. They have enjoyed comfortable homes, nice automobiles, fine clothes, and pleasure-filled vacations. Who in their right mind wants to give up the tranquility of hearth and home? Two, most of America still rests upon a Christian foundation. As such, Americans believe in peace and harmony. They believe in law and order. They believe in submitting to authority. Three, there has not been an overt, large-scale attempt by government to confiscate the firearms of the American people. Remember, it was the Crown’s attempted gun confiscation at Concord that ignited the American Revolution back in 1775.However, the materialistic comfort of the average American is quickly fading away. People are losing their jobs, their livelihoods, their homes, and their savings. More than that, they are losing hope for a better tomorrow, and they are losing confidence in their government to honestly protect their freedoms–even their national identity.

I am all for a Constitutional party but I am also a realist. Anyone who thinks that a third party candidate can be elected as President in the United States in 2008 is not playing with a full deck.

I doubt if the Constitutional party could even be on half of the state ballets by election time so how in the world can that party elect a president? Even if it could, what good would be a President that did not have the support from the political parties controlling the House and Senate?

2008 might be a good year to get a third party off the ground with eyes for 2012. It would at least take that long to dismantle the many roadblocks that the other two parties have put up to stop any third party movement.

In addition, the list of candidates that the Constitutional party suggests running for President is moronic. Keyes, Duncan etc are not going to ever break out of the single digits and Judge Roy Moore has about as much chance as that talking bean dog on TV. Chuck Baldwin for President? Please get real? He probably would not even carry his own county.

No. the Constitutional party must get someone of truly national significance to run. Someone that is a Christian military hero or someone like James Dobson himself. In order to get media time he also would have to be backed by a multi billionaire with unlimited pockets and he must be backed by the vast majority of the thousands of voices across the country that cannot endure the choices of the two major parties.

I sincerely doubt that anyone can achieve this combination before a great depression or a world war. Yet, lay the grass roots support this year or it won’t ever get done.

Let’s face it, if the Republicans were going to support Christian values they would have did it while they had control of government. And we know the Democrats are never going to attempt to support any biblical Christian values or constitutional government. So if Christians and Consititutionalists want a future voice in this nation they had better start their own political party.

Nevertheless, when we do start a viable third party let us use our brains and be realistic because hype produces disappoint and disappoint kills third party movements before they even get off the ground.

Voting ‘no’ on Hillary, Obama and McCain

“Voting for the lesser of two evils will still yield evil. The major parties offer a choice between driving our country over the cliff to ruin at 50 miles per hour or 70 miles per hour. For example, Republican Supreme Court appointees gave the country Roe v. Wade and other liberal rulings. … If the fear of voting third party is maintained, there will never be hope for change …”The United States of America was not founded upon compromise and rationalism. If was founded upon the belief that people are accountable to God for the principles that they stand for,” the Constitutional Party says.

Gary Odom, the national field director for the party, told WND the party’s convention in Kansas City will determine the candidate.

“Anybody with a sense of reality can tell we have a ways to go, [but] we are making progress,” he said.

He said the time is ripe in 2008

Chuck Baldwin’s main problem might be that he is assuming that America will be restored by the people. I do not think it will. America will fracture. I just wrote on this imminent danger.

Lets face it, much of the country has bought into godless socialism and the lust. Even the evangelicals are buying into dominionism socialism and the prosperity gospel. It looks like the minority in this country that hold to biblical truths will just have to separate from the walking dead.

The Constitution Party would be great if you could have get a leader of significant stature and experience to run on it. Perhaps someone like General Pace. However, if you have any illusion that Ron Paul or Judge Roy Moore will pull the numbers to get noticed you are not living in reality.

Nevertheless, I don’t suggest that any Christian vote for any of the three choices that we are given. they will all lead to the same socialist secular humanist globalist end. Just remember this, God gives the nation the leader He wants to rule. Our leaders reflect the people. If are leaders are godless you can be quite sure that most of the people of our nation are as well. On the other hand, if the majority of the people turn toward God the problems of this nation will be solved. But, since we really know they wont because the gospel is not even being preached in most of our churches. What then should we expect? I know one thing it wont be restoration.

Chuck Baldwin — Conservatives Offer No Hope

After attending numerous meetings of conservative activists, I am more convinced than ever that, ultimately, the survival of liberty in America does not depend upon political parties, special interest groups, or corporations. In these United States of America, God has put the destiny of the country squarely in the hands of “We the people.” It will not be conservatives or liberals, Republicans or Democrats, Christians or unbelievers that restore America. It will be individuals from all walks of life, all backgrounds, and all political persuasions who love liberty enough to fight to maintain it. Ultimately, of course, all nations–just like all individuals–must give an account to our Creator for how we protected the freedoms and liberties that He gave us. Right now, we are not doing a very good job.

Chuck Baldwin usually has some good points as he does in this article but some of what he says is simply way off the mark.

Chuck makes a huge leap by saying the moneychangers in the temple were the equivalent of the international bankers of our day. First of all, they are not. They would be more the equivalent of a local exchange service changing dollars for peso’s or dollars for Canadian loonies. Jesus did not throw them out of the temple because they were international bankers and international power brokers. He threw them out of the temple because they were making money on money that was meant to be be given to God in tithes and offerings. In other words they were were robbing God in His own temple.

I do not see where anyone can make an analogy between those moneychangers in the temple and the international bankers of the world unless one somehow thinks that the US is the temple of God. I know Chuck does not believe that, but he gets very close to that view in some of his positions. I have news Chuck, even in America’s best days (whenever that was) it has never been anything like God’s temple on earth.

Obviously Baldwin thinks that bankers are running the world but why would he think that it is the Christian’s duty to run the bankers out of the world? Is Chuck Baldwin a dominionist? He ought to know where this world is heading and that Christians are not of the world. Just read a little of the history of true Christians in the history of the world Chuck, it might open your eyes. You can start with reading about all the martyrs who were not worthy of this world.

Chuck asks why Christians are so blind? Actually most Christians are not blind. Many that call themselves Christians are blind because they are not Christians. Chuck Baldwin really knows this because he preaches it in his articles. So now he expects all the blind pseudo Christians in America to see? That is not logical or consistent. Also Chuck, true Christians might not get up in arms about worldly affairs because they are worldly affairs. Does Chuck Baldwin want the great commission to be changed from preaching the gospel to every creature, to taking America from the Devil? Who by the way, was given power over all nations from the fall?

So according to Chuck, every Christian, pastor and American should drive the bankers out of power? How do the minority that are real Christians in this country do that Chuck? By voting for Ron Paul? That is really funny. If the international bankers have all the satanic power that Chuck Baldwin claims, then they got that power from Satan and Ron Paul cannot get in power. So the point is mute. Of course these bankers would also control the congressional temple and without Ron Paul bowing his knee there, he can do nothing.

No. Our fellow pastors and Christians are not going to see things your way Chuck, because your not logical and often not preaching a consistent Christian message. You are often correct when warning and telling American’s that the nation is on a disastrous course but you are often wrong when instruction the Church of God what they should do about it.

Chuck Baldwin — Moneychangers Destroying America–And Christians Don’t See It

The moneychangers of Jesus’ day were the equivalent of the international
bankers of our day.

It is too bad that today’s pastors and Christians do not share Jesus’ disdain for the current generation of moneychangers, because it is the moneychangers who are in the process of destroying these United States of America–and our pastors and Christians either do not see it, or, if they do see it, do not seem to care.

When Jesus saw the moneychangers in the Temple, He drove them off with violence.
Yet, today’s pastors and Christians cannot even seem to see what these
same moneychangers are doing to America. They support candidates simply
because they have an “R” behind their names, vainly imagining that these
candidates are somehow better than the ones with a “D” behind their
names. The truth is, however, John McCain and Mike Huckabee are as beholden
to the moneychangers as are Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Why can’t
Christians see this? Why are they so blind?

What Jesus did is exactly what every pastor, Christian, conservative, and
every other real American should do: rise up against these moneychangers
and drive them out of power! But we cannot accomplish this until we
see them for what they really are: power-mad extortionists who seek
to enrich themselves at the expense of America’s freedom and independence.
Do you think our fellow pastors and Christians will ever see it?

Chuck Baldwin tells it the way it is in the Church in America. Can you honestly say he is wrong about most of what he said in this article? If not, what a sorry excuse for a Church American “Christians” leaders and church members have become. Is it any wonder why American Christians are about to reap the consequences of being double minded?

clipped from www.newswithviews.com The problem is manifold, of course. For the most part, our pastors have become glorified politicians and business executives. As attorneys are not schooled in the Constitution, today’s ministers are not schooled in the Scriptures. They are motivational speakers, salesmen, and business managers. The Bible is only used as a side reference, if at all. It is not taught or preached literally. Pastors go through the Bible the way people go through a salad bar: gleaning a few sweet-tasting morsels and rejecting everything that appears the least bit distasteful. There is yet another problem: today’s churches are completely enamored with power. No, not the power of God. They are completely infatuated with the power of men. Rich men. Popular men. Influential men. Celebrities. Politicians. Millionaires. Sports stars, etc.