Every hear of Joel’s Army? This article will tell you all about what is coming from the “New Wave” or “Third Wave” act that is sweeping the Charismatic crowd looking for titillating manisfestations of God through demonic people. You know, the stuff coming from the Todd Bentley’s, the Rick Joiner’s and all the manifest sons of deception crowd. Notice that Joel’s army physically attacks the church in order to purify it. I guess they want us to believe that a demonically inspired group of men is going to purify the church and take the world for Christ. Sure! And the Easter Bunny is the risen Christ.

If you believe the Bible teaches any of this stuff that these people are saying you really need to read through your Bible for the first time in your life.

Joseph Chambers

Dominion Theology and Joel’s Army

Religious deception is always the most subtle and dangerous kind. When the church forsakes the old paths of righteousness and consecration, the next step is haughtiness and doctrinal confusion. It is impossible to rightly interpret Scripture; to rightly divide the great truths of the “meat of the Word” unless humility and a contrite spirit controls our life. There are no haughty and arrogant prophets in the kingdom of God. “The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.” (Psalm 51:17).

The entire Evangelical church world is being assaulted with the Kingdom Dominion Theology. It is like mortal combat between those who defend the Biblical doctrines of the End Times (The Rapture of Christ’s Bride, the Tribulation followed by the Millennium) and the “New Wave Theology.” A book entitled Joel’s Army describes this “New Wave Theology” as promoted by one New Wave organization. The author stated that this ministry was “holding conferences overseas and throughout the U.S.A. Churches and denominations are being proselytized and preyed on with a ‘gospel’ they claim is ordained to bring forth:

1. the greatest revival the Church has ever known;
2. the greatest baptism of the Spirit the Church has ever experienced;
3. the greatest Army (Joel’s Army) distinguished by invincibility, immortality and divinity;
4. the greatest purging (inquisition) in the history of the Church;
5. the greatest ministry - the Prize of all Ages; and
6. the greatest miracles, supernatural signs and wonders far exceeding that of the Apostles and Prophets of old.” (JOEL’S ARMY, pages 1&2).

Since Joel’s Army is supposed to be men and women taking possession of this earth for their King, a second class of warriors becomes necessary. These they call the “Phineas Priesthood.” Rick Joyner made mention of those with the “spirit of Phineas” in his book, The Harvest.

“The dismantling of organizations and disbanding of some works will be a positive and exhilarating experience for the Lord’s faithful servants…..a great company of prophets, teachers, pastors and apostles will be raised up with the spirit of Phineas…” (THE HARVEST, Rick Joyner).

A book written by Richard Kelly Hoskins entitled, “Vigilantes Of Christendom,” describes these warriors. He says of them, “As the Kamikaze is to the Japanese, As the Shiite is to Islam, As the Zionist is to the Jew, So the Phineas priest is to Christendom.” It is very clear that they are preparing to slaughter those who resist their authority. Jesus warned that, “They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.” (St. John 16:2). That sounds exactly like the great inquisitors of the dark ages.

“The DAY OF THE LORD as seen through the eyes of the NEW WAVE ‘prophets’ will be a time when JOEL’S ARMY led by the ‘prophets’ will pour out God’s wrath on the church. Then for the first time in two thousand years the ‘pure church’ will come forth. In other words, the ‘blood of Christ’ did not avail, nor will it in the LAST DAYS because JOEL’S ARMY and the ‘prophets’ will do what the blood could not, i.e., cleanse the Church. If indeed it takes JOEL’S ARMY to purify the church, then all the preaching of the Cross from the early Church to the present was in vain. And rather than the ‘cross’ being God’s final answer to ‘walking in newness of life’ . . ., we do well to look for another. The JOEL’S ARMY doctrine as it applies to the Church and world is not only in total conflict with the ‘Gospel of Christ’, but is a radical new rendition of the doctrine of redemption and purification. By all analysis, it is ‘another gospel’ and poses a real threat to unstable churches in that it is yet another great deception beguiling the Church.” (JOEL’S ARMY, page 9.)

Warning
Every theological direction these religionists are taking is rooted in esoteric revelations rather than the “tried and true” doctrines of the Bible. They are quick to say that this is a day of new revelations. The New Agers call it a “paradigm shift.” Tommy Reid, a noted New Wave leader, calls it “a new world view.” The Bible calls it “apostasy.”

A sovereign move of God’s Holy Spirit is the only answer to these wild speculations. There are a multitude of “angels of light” sent by Satan to deceive. If you are looking for something titilating, you will probably find the same. If you are looking for “the Way, the Truth, and the Life,” He lives in the Holy Scripture and is waiting for you to open the door. He reveals Himself in your will and heart (spirit), not your emotions.

The whole idea that there will be a wealth transfer from the world to the Church is preposterous. What do they think the world will be doing while we take away their wealth and what in the world would we do with the wealth of the world anyway? Get rid of poverty? Where does it say the Church will do that in scripture? Actually these people will take new found wealth to build more and larger circus tents for their “third wave” freak shows?

There is no such concept of a wealth transfer to the Church in scripture it is totally contrary to what the scripture teaches.

These “third wave” self appointed, apostles, prophets and healers are proud presumptuous deranged people or they are greedy con artists and liars.

The “third wave” apostles, false prophets and healers appeal to people’s flesh and that is the only reason they have a following. They certainly do not hear the true gospel from these people and they do receive any sound Christian teaching.

These are the people Jesus was talking about in Matthew chapter 7: 21-22. They tell Jesus did we not prophecy in your name and cast out Devils in your name and do great works? But, Jesus will say to them depart from me you workers of inequity I never knew you.

Most of these people are con men deceivers. I am not so gullible as to believe that they actually believe the stuff they peddle. I guess there could be a few simple minded exceptions in the group but the rest are simply religious acting con artists.

They use scriptures without understanding because they have none. They have no Holy Spirit to give it to them. They are followed by those who do not read God’s word. They would rather listen to people who tickle their itching ears. They could all be board members of the First Church of the Flesh.

These leaders claim to be apostles, prophets and healers and they claim to be great anointed people of God but they really are the wolves in sheep’s clothing that the Bible warns us against.

People wonder why I say the “Word of Faith” movement is a false gospel cult. Well, what movement produced the prideful presumptive demonic “third wave” movement and the prosperity gospel? They distort everything in the Bible. So much so, that their Jesus cannot even be found in any honest study of the Bible.

I think many of the “third wave” leaders are demon possessed and many of those who go to their gatherings are in danger of becoming demon possessed. Many of the regulars who go to their meetings display manifestations of occult demon possession. They are not of sound mind. Neither Jesus Christ, nor the Holy Spirit is in the tabernacle.

If you are following these people run! You are playing with fire.

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Will the Church soon be showered with the wealth of the unrighteous, thus being able to fund the last, great global harvest of souls? Again quoting C. Peter Wagner, “I think the time is ripe for those of us who are apostles to begin to understand the crucial role we have in God’s plan to release the wealth of the wicked for the advance of the kingdom of God.”[2]

But what does the Bible say? Pursuing a historical-grammatical interpretation—in other words, interpreting the Bible as it reads—try as one might, one cannot find this view supported in the Bible.

Dealing first with the “wealth transfer” notion, indeed, we do find that there is a great wealth transfer prophesied in Scripture. However, it has nothing to do with the Church, but rather applies to Israel and the Millennial period.

There are many other problems with the last-day wealth transfer notion applying to the Church. For example, it is claimed that there will yet be a last-day global harvest before the Lord returns, and that the Church will need great wealth to fund this objective as well as eradicating poverty in the world. Says Wagner, “In order to possess the gate of wealth to, among other things, develop plans to eradicate systemic poverty, we need to develop new structures of intercession to do the spiritual warfare necessary to transfer wealth.[3]”

However, the Bible says directly otherwise. Clearly implying that there would be little faith upon earth when He returns,

So is there a great, last-day wealth transfer to the Church? Scripture easily and clearly settles this question. Yet, theologians who should have sufficient knowledge of what the Bible says[4] instead prefer to trust their own intuitions and prophecies. This recent statement from Apostle Peter (also known as C. Peter Wagner) provides an example of such vanity, in which he appears to make his own decrees supersede Scripture. Spoken on the great reverential authority of the claimed office of an early New Testament apostle, he literally commands the earth’s obedience. Not even the first Apostle Peter spoke with such licence. (One also wonders why the foundations of the New Jerusalem will be named after the original 12 apostles and not more? —See Revelation 21:14.)

“I hereby take the apostolic authority that I have been given by God. I decree that vast amounts of wealth will be released supernaturally, even from godless and pagan sources. I decree that large numbers of God’s chosen people will be empowered in fresh and creative ways to gain wealth according to Deuteronomy 8:18. New inventions will multiply. Disruptive technologies will change the life patterns of the whole human race. The earth will disgorge vast riches of hidden resources. These will be entrusted to God’s agents. Profits will increase exponentially. It is spoken. So may it come to pass! Amen and amen!”[5]

Today, as all too frequently with other Third Wave Christian movements supposedly marked by “fresh moves of the Spirit,” new or revised theologies have been revealed on the strength of new prophecies uttered by their own prophets. The serious issue here is that these prophecies serve to revise what God originally said through his prophets and Scripture. Indeed, such revisions are not a new phenomenon, having been the mark of many if not all apostate movements or beliefs.

The true Church of the last days, if anything, is more of a remnant than it is resplendent with wealth. Revelation 3:8 says that the church of the “open door” is weak and feeble; far from being imbued with worldly power and wealth. It is this little Philadelphian band of believers, to which is promised, “Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth” (Revelation 3:10). If the Third Wave movements are correct, one wonders why it is the rich Laodicean church that is being reprimanded by Christ.

Jan Markell makes it clear that Todd Bentley is a wolf even if she does not want to demonize Bentley I think it is a bit too late. He is demonized and if that steps on your latter rain theology, good.

Two decades ago I said that the Charismatics and Pentecostals will continue to split into two major camps. One camp will become biblically grounded and do all things in order, for example, the Calvary Chapels. The other group will continue to move away from sound doctrine into questionable mysterious experiences. I was correct. The leadership moved even beyond what anyone could foresee. They willfully became False Prophets, blasphemers, liars, full of pride, greedy, buffoons. Their followers have become worshipers of men, always looking for some new emotional goose bump. They have become biblically illiterate, brainwashed, put into altered states, and made to play the fool for those they worship and to be paraded as a mockery of Christianity to the whole world.

We see this being manifested today in the “Signs and Wonders” movement, Word of Faith, Some Vineyards, Some Assemblies of God’s and some others. If you have taken the wrong path you need to change directions pronto. This path has already led you to a false gospel but it will soon lead you to the deception of the Antichrist.

What if the foolish things that you are doing in some of these churches were youtubed to your employer? You probably should know you could kiss off any advancement. It would not be because of your confessed faith in Jesus, it will be because your employer will be convinced that you are not of sound mind. I have news God is also watching your little show even if no one else sees it.

FOOTPRINTS OF A PROPHET OR TRACKS OF A WOLF? - CWN

I am writing the “inconvenient truth” today. I have been blitzed with e-mails about the Todd Bentley “revival” in Florida. Before you fall for his stories and “signs and wonders,” please allow me to make some comments. I realize this will not be received well by many.

This is a Charismatic happening called the “third wave.” The “first wave” was Toronto, and it fizzled out. The “second wave” was Pensacola, and it had the same fate. Now Bentley has brought in the “third wave,” and folks are coming from around the world for the “anointing.” Even the Charisma Magazine editor Lee Grady says — sounding a warning — “My inbox has been full of messages from Charismatic leaders who are concerned about everything from Bentley’s tattoos and body piercings to his claim that he once interviewed the apostle Paul in Heaven. When I called for scrutiny of some aspects of the Lakeland Revival, I was labeled a Pharisee and a ‘religious policeman.’ I had suddenly become the enemy.”

every word out of his mouth. Pray that their eyes would be opened before they are further spiritually damaged. We are not trying to demonize Todd; rather, we hope to protect some sheep, which our pastors should be doing but many are not.

I know I say you have to read this too often, but you really do have to read this article.

What a circus is going on in the name of Christ in Lakeland Florida! The latest ring leader of this circus is Todd Bentley but they apparently have had enough freak show hucksters and visitors for these phony and satanic “healing”, laughing and lunacy side shows to keep this circus act going for over a decade. In my last post on this topic I said some Pentecostal’s need to grow up. Now I will say if they are taking part or promoting this demonic activity they are in danger of hellfire.

Check your “Christianity at the door and your brain as well if you dare enter in”. Quite frankly, if you are attending these freak shows and acting out this loony stuff you are already probably quite insane by anyone’s definition and you should go get professional help.

Bentley

If you’ve been watching the news on “Christian Television” in the past couple of weeks, you could not have missed the glowing reports of a “revival” breaking out in Lakeland, Florida. It is headed up by a certified false prophet/teacher by the name of Todd Bentley, one of the guys from the infamous Elijah List, an umbrella group that markets all the bogus “prophetic” junk their many seers sell. Many of these forerunners for the antichrist are heralding this outbreak as the much-touted outpouring of the latter rain. {If you think I’m speaking harshly, keep reading to understand why I can’t mince words.}

Sadly, this circus show featuring an “illustrated man” is now on the road and targets young people and new believers who are not armed with a knowledge of Scripture so they are sitting ducks for deception. The crowds following Bentley are seen being overcome by ugly spirits of drunkenness and stupor. Those in the church who are crying out against this injustice perpetrated upon our weakest little lambs are being squelched by the “Christian” media, since those in control of the airwaves suppress the truth in unrighteousness. And any otherwise solid ministries that buy airtime on networks such as TBN and the God Channel shut up their own mouths for fear of biting the hand that feeds them and getting their programs tossed.

Bentley

Watching Bentley do his circus act can be very nauseating. He imparts his Emma spirit on the young people who come up for a touch. He flings the evil spirits upon them while yelling, “blah, blah, blah, blah” – whatever he means by that – and culminates it with slaying them in the “spirit” with the word “BAM!” [see link for example ] Why would he scream “Bam” over people?

Bono, Rick warren, Schuller, Bill Hybells, George Bush, Obama, and many others and most of the Emerging Church movement shape shifters all believe in pluralism and universalism while claiming to be Christians. Their Christianity is really religious dominionism. They want to use religion, government, media and the power elite to bring in total world governance and establishment of their idealist earthly utopia in the name of their higher power. What they will actually bring in will be the Antichrist figure who will claim to fulfill all the expectations of religions. The harlot woman is about to ride the Beast.

Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church? - CWN

On Relevant Magazine’s website, Tara Leigh Cobble gives an interesting report of what she says she witnessed at a Bono concert:

About five songs into their set, Bono stopped the show and strapped on a headband with writing on it. I stared up at the JumboTron to see that the handwritten lettering said: COEXIST.

Coexisting sounds like a great idea. I fully support the peaceful philanthropy that Bono has encouraged, and this seemed like another way that he was trying to spread the message.

Except, it started to feel like more than a political message. The “C” in “coexist” was the Islamic crescent moon, the “X” was the Star of David, and the “T” was the cross of Christ. Bono pointed at the symbols on his headband—first to the cross, then to the star, then to the crescent moon—and he began to repeat:

“Jesus, Jew, Mohammed—all true. Jesus, Jew, Mohammed—all true.”

He repeated the words like a mantra, and some people even began to repeat it with him. I suddenly wanted to crawl out of my skin.

While some at the concert dispute exactly what Bono said, media outlets have reported Bono wearing the Coexist logo.

http://www.newsobserver.com/105/story/379359.html

The Coexist logo is certainly about promoting the worldview of pluralism and universalism. Pluralism is the belief that all religions are equal, and universalism is the belief that all religions are true and everyone will be saved because all roads lead to God.

The worldwide acceptance of pluralism and universalism will eventually lead to a one-world religion as discussed in the Bible. However, it appears that not everyone is opposed to the Coexist message. Who am I talking about? Well, it happens to be the Emerging Church. In the words of Gomer Pile I say, “Surprise! Surprise!”

Much of the church is missing Dr. Dobson’s mixed message because he tells them what they want to hear on issues of the family and morality but Dr. Dobson seems to be confused on many theological issues - from the evil of psychology in the Church, to soft dominionism to his confusion on Robert Schuller’s universalism.

I wrote an article that includes information on Dr. Dobson if anyone cares to read it. The major segment on Dobson is about half way down the article in the psychobabble section, also check the excellent link within for much more information.

Do The Dobsons and Focus on the Family Agree with the Emergent Church? - CWN

If Dr. Dobson and Focus on the Family are NOT in agreement with the Emergent Church then Dr. Dobson should release a letter stating that he does not agree with Emergent church leaders such as Dr. Robert Schuller and apologize for his wife’s appearance with Dr. Schuller on The Hour of Power and his VP’s appearance at Schuller’s conference.

Dr. Dobson should commit to hosting a series of programs on this fast growing cancer inside the church. Dr. Dobson could invite former Emergent Church pioneer, Jason Carlson on his program to expose the heresy of this Trojan horse in our camp.

I really wish that Dr. Dobson and Mrs. Dobson would join me in my opposition of the Emergent Church theology and not be praising one of its biggest leaders and promoters. At the conclusion of her interview with Dr. Robert Schuller, Mrs. Dobson says, “Thank you, thank you, thank you Dr. Schuller. God bless you and the good work you are doing here”

What? “God bless the good work you are doing here”? What good work is that, leading millions of people to hell with a false gospel? Really, I would like to know what good work she is talking about. Dr. Schuller promotes Universalism and I know the Dobsons do not agree with Universalism.

Why on earth would Mrs. Dobson appear on The Hour of Power and then ask God to bless “the good work” Schuller is doing? FOTF and the Dobson’s have nothing to gain by cooperating with Schuller, but they do have their credibility to lose with discerning, conservative, Bible-Believing Christians.

How incredibly undiscerning! Janet Folger is now teaching us Word of Faith Theology. She obviously is a believer in heretical Dominion theology. The link will give you more of my take on that theology.

Folger implies that Jesus lost the keys of the kingdom of heaven and had to die to get them back from Satan.
What heretical nonsense. Jesus never lost the keys of the kingdom of heaven. What kind of God would lose his keys? The keys Jesus gave the Church is authority in the spiritual realm in the spiritual kingdom of heaven. Even Jesus has not yet bound Satan on earth and taken authority on the earth because the timing of that is set by the Father alone. There are some still to be saved out of this world before judgment and the earthly kingdom is set up.

If what Folger said was true why did not the 12 apostles just take authority, bind Satan and set up the earthly kingdom instead of letting the world kill them. Gee, we Christians could of had total control of the earth for almost 2000 years if they only understood things the way Word Faith preachers do. Why do not two Christians anywhere just bind all the forces of Satan on earth and establish dominion? Why don’t Janet Folger just get together with Kenneth Copeland and try it? Why are you blaming us that your own prayers are not getting answered? Jesus said it would only take two if Jesus really meant what you imply.

We have no dominion on the earth because we are sinners and cannot administer this earth with justice. Dominion does not mean ownership, God owns the earth. After man sinned God put the earth under the administration of angels until the justice and sin problem is taken care of. (Satan just happens to be the chief angel in charge watching over this creation and he continually reports our unworthiness to have dominion on the earth.)

The keys of the kingdom of heaven do not give us ownership of a world living in sin it gives us standing in the kingdom of heaven as priests to carry out the will of the King. Obviously God’s will is not to bring a world of sinners into the kingdom that He will establish on the earth.

What title deed to the earth is Janet talking about? God does not give out title deeds to His creation. Where in scripture anywhere does it say that man was given a title deed to the earth? Man did not lose something he never had and Jesus did not die for any title deed. Jesus already had the title deed of everything as the Creator. Jesus died for our sins not for fake titles. And Jesus did not then give some abstract title deed to the planet back to man only to have him lose the title by default back to Satan by Christians not doing what they should have. That is what many Word Faith preachers teach. Then they say the Latter Rain, New Wave anointed elite (themselves) have to come and confront Satan and take the title of earth back again and bring in the physical kingdom on earth before Jesus can even come back. This Kingdom Now, Latter Rain, Manifest sons of Destiny Theology is totally absurd. It is not Christian doctrine. It is loony.

Jesus taught us to pray that God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven and we are still praying for that because God has not brought in the Kingdom on earth yet like it is in heaven. It is like praying for the peace of Jerusalem, you should pray for that end but you cannot bring it in before God’s own timing. Only when Jesus comes back will God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven and will there be true peace in Jerusalem.

Pslam 2:8 in context is talking about the Son of God, not Christians. He will give the nations to Jesus Christ but the timing is in the Fathers hands. Ripping it out of context as some promise to the betrothed bride that has not even been given gifts and awarded leadership positions and that are not yet fully prepared or fully completed in the body to be formally married to the King yet in the Father’s eyes is beyond presumption, it is arrogance. We will rule and reign with Jesus on earth when He is given David’s throne on earth and not before.

You asked what we have faith for? We have faith in the hope of Jesus fulfilling all His promises. We have faith that what we hear God tell us will be fulfilled, but we do not have faith to presume that your own wishes for the earth are from God. That is presumption.

Janet Folger said she would like to start by taking our own country back? She implies that Christians had dominion over America and lost it. She implies that the U.S. was a Christian nation. When was that? Do they not teach history in schools anymore? This nation had one wickedness after another throughout its history along with any good. Perhaps the best periods were right after major wars but that always is the case because wars remove many of the violent evil people from the earth. In any case, you cannot take a nation back for Christ that was never won for Christ. I do not even know a city or a town that was totally won for Christ. In order to do that you would have to oppose all who do not see things your theological way. The world already has a history of cities, nations and empires trying to take it for their version of Christianity. Was that good? Is that what you are suggesting for America. A Holy American Empire with Word of Faith preachers ruling on the throne? I think I do not want to be part of that America. Their Jesus is too much like the Jesus of Oprah. So you better get your burning stakes ready for me.

Occupy to Jesus comes means to live here in the world in whatever state you find yourself in. It does not mean to take it over. Remember Jesus promised the Church persecution in the world not a national or world utopia.

Your whole premises is flawed and why would you need us to help anyway. You and Copeland can do it all yourself. After all, you claim if two or more ask for anything in Jesus name it will be done for you. According to your own theology nothing can stop you. So stop whining and get started!

Ugh!

Stop whining and take dominion!

Of course, Jesus said (essentially), “No deal.” Satan was running the place, but when Jesus took the punishment our sins deserved on the cross and rose again, Jesus “got the keys back.” He reconciled us to himself and handed them over to us as he said in Matthew 16:19:

And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

With the keys Jesus gave us, we have authority, responsibility, access and ownership. Which brings us back to “Plan A” in the first chapter of Genesis where God told us to “have dominion over & every living thing that moves on the earth.”

With the title deed and the keys we’ve been given, we now can take dominion as was the original plan and see God’s will be done “on earth as it is in Heaven,” just like we’ve been praying in the Lord’s prayer all this time.

So, here’s my question. Just what do you have faith for? Psalm 2:8 says: “Ask of me, and I will give you the nations for your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for your possessions.” That sounds pretty good to me. I’d like to start with taking my country back. To “occupy” until He comes.

I’ve turned off the pundits to tap into the power. I want to know God’s heart enough to come into alignment with Him and start turning some keys and opening some doors. It’s time we take ownership and occupy the centers of influence and the areas of our culture Christians have vacated. It’s time we stop whining about how big the giants are and start coming back to “Plan A”: dominion. You have the keys. You have the title deed. What are you waiting for? Even the heaviest iron door doesn’t stand a chance.

I do not know why Willow Creek would allow this heretic to speak at their church. I take that back I think I do known why.

I challenge anyone who reads the Bible as written to tell me that this man has not redefined the scriptures to take away absolutes truths and replace them with stupid rationalizations. Tell me that he is not corrupting Christian youth with his heretical teaching. It is time that Christians quit making apogees for this very destructive heretic. His teachings are doing great harm to Christianity especially to the youth of the church.

So why is it that Christians in your church are mislead from his books and there is no warning about this wolf in sheep’s clothing and others emergent leaders like him coming from your pastor? If heretics are not refuted with sound doctrine why will the next generation in your church believe in any Christian absolutes?

There are so many warped views in this article about Brian Mclaren statements that It would take a small book to refute the nonsense. I will just say his views on the second coming must come from heretical dominionism or some social gospel because they sure are not founded on any truth taught in the scriptures.

Mclaren redefines scripture to conform to what he wants to believe. We were warned that these people would come in the last days and the warning was given for darn good reason. Have nothing to do with these emerging heretics lest you find yourself misled.

Baptist Press - Lessen focus on eternity, McLaren says at Willow Creek student ministries conference - News with a Christian Perspective

SOUTH BARRINGTON, Ill. (BP)–The emphasis Christians place on the traditional Christian doctrines of hell and the second coming of Jesus inhibits believers from living effective lives of service in this world, according to speaker and author Brian McLaren

McLaren explained his views April 9-10 at Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Ill., as a featured speaker during the Willow Creek Association’s annual Shift student ministries conference

The orthodox understanding that Jesus will return at a future date and forcefully conquer all His enemies also needs rethinking, according to McLaren.

“This eschatological understanding of a violent second coming leads us to believe (as we’ve said before) that in the end, even God finds it impossible to fix the world apart from violence and coercion; no one should be surprised when those shaped by this theology behave accordingly,” McLaren wrote.

The book of Revelation does not actually teach that there will be a new heaven and a new earth, he wrote, but that a new way of living is possible within this universe if humans will follow Jesus’ example.

Dave Daubenmire obviously too often listens to people who do not know what they are talking about.

I emailed Dave the last time he made this ridiculous assertion that the Church is sitting around doing nothing waiting for the Rapture. Obviously what I said to him did not sink in so now I will say it publicly since he makes his ridiculous assertion publicly.

Most of the Church could care less about the Rapture and it certainly is not obsessed with end-time prophecy. As I told Dave before almost nobody is teaching it anymore. The few churches that are, are probably the churches that are actually doing something spiritual in this nation.

We who believe in the Rapture and the soon return of Jesus Christ are not paralyzed by Last-Days madness anymore than any other Spirit filled believers are. You insult the Holy Spirit that works through all His people. You obviously listen too much to heretical dominionists who think the world is not Christianized because the church is failing. The world is failing by rejecting the teaching of the Church. That is not the fault of the Church. Most of the world is pagan because it does not accept the Gospel rather than not heard it.

Part of your problem is that you cannot discern between cultural Christians in this nation and the real Church. You act as if America was and is a Christian nation and all that the Christians have to do is get off their duff like the prodigal Son, return to God and take this nation back for Christ. The Church you imagine in America did not exist and it does not exist. The real Church in this nation has always been a minority and it has always been working for Christ.

You expect a “Christian” people that does not exist in America to suddenly see the light and act like Christians because you rail against them? You are not living in reality.

Dave, you have some wise things to tell Americans about what they need to do to save this nation. But, don’t confuse instructing Americans to return to Christian moral values with telling Americans that most of them are lazy Christians who need to repent from some end-time madness of looking for the Rapture. It is not happening. It is a false argument. It is counterproductive and it is stupid.

Most Americans are pagans that need to be saved but can’t be saved. Most reject the only message that can save them because they love their sins and want to believe a lie.

As for your “heal our land” statement out of Malachi. That promise in context was clearly made to physical Israel and applies to physical Israel. Last I heard we are America. There is no promise to Christians in other nations that if they humble themselves and pray that God will heal their pagan land. Try preaching that nonsense to the persecuted church in China. The promise of restoration is to the land of Israel. You like many just like to take promises to Israel out of context and make them yours but then your promises just become presumptions. America is not the promised land.

Dave, Get a grip!

Dave Daubenmire — The Prodigal Nation

What type of leadership burns our food?

The American Church is paralyzed by what Gary DeMar calls “Last-Days Madness.” In a nutshell, the modern American Church has become so obsessed with End-Time prophecy that Christians have ceased to be the “salt and light” that Christ has commanded us to be. Convinced that things are “only going to get worse” Christians have neglected Jesus’ mandate to “Occupy until I return and have instead turned the gates of authority over to the enemies of the cross.

“Worse is better!” I heard one Christian-radio pundit say. “As things get worse that means the return of the Lord is near.”

What hogwash! Is the Lord glorified by the multiplication of evil? “Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth…” Did Jesus pray against His own will?

I don’t want to turn this into a theological discussion and get us all wrapped in the minutia of fig trees and famines. For the Lord’s sake, man, STAND UP AND FIGHT!

I have often wondered what America would look like if the Church believed in revival as much as it believed in the rapture.

Since John McCain kissed up to Rod Parsley even though Ron Parsley is one of the worst Word Faith heretics in existence. I thought I would link to a good article on the nonsense that Parsley preaches to his huge Church and TV audience.

I would not want anyone to think that McCain actually linked with true Christian conservatives by speaking at World Harvest Church in Ohio. The most that McCain would find there is Christian garnish that goes along with the Parsley. Not that McCain knows the difference between Christian teaching and tickle the ears garnish spreading of Word Faith teaching. McCain’s own retired paster said that McCain is not what he would consider a Christian that knows the scriptures. When your own pastor says that about you, you have not impressed him with your profound Christian knowledge.

Anyway I thought that McCain and Parsley were pretty strange birds to have in the same pot. Rod Parsley is a dominionist and John McCain obviously thinks that the U.S. should make the world a U.S. led Christian democracy. I wonder if John McCain will get all the religious dominionists together to try to bring on the world a hybrid universal religious democracy. If that is true expect some strange religious people in his government. People like Romney, Huckabee, Rick Warren, Bono, Bell, Joe Lieberman…. the Pope, Tom Cruz, Rosie etc. Anyway I digress to profound speculation, you might read about the Rod of Parsley yourself.

Rod Parsley

Rod Parsley is the pastor of the over 5000 seat World Harvest Church located in Columbus, Ohio.Parsley is a powerful motivational preacher who mixes truth with error. He is involved in word faith teachings and latter rain doctrines. He is one of the most popular Pentecostal TV preachers in America right now. He is able to release the anointing to people. He Cuts up prayer clothes to heal by laying hands on them and praying over them. He will even lay his whole body over a pile of letters as he believes he is literally transferring and releasing the “tangible anointing.” The prayer is answered due to the what he calls the corporate anointing. This is more like a transferable energy, since the anointing is the Holy Spirit who is God and is being used as a force. He tells us his faith is released toward us (faith is Godward not toward man), sometimes it is toward the letters or the cloths. He also states because he prayed every prayer is answered. This is not faith but at best overconfidence. Nowhere are we told in scripture that God will answer every prayer no matter how much faith one exhibits.

What do Ron Parsley and John McCain have in common? They both see grave danger in Islam to the world. Obviously for Ron Parsley the number one criteria for being a conservative is to be against Islam.

We have here a religious leader and a political leader that would be more than willing to lead a military fight against Islam all over the world. Sure, that might be what it ultimately comes down to anyway, but do you really want the U.S. to actually promote this war? Need I explain the impact that a world war would have on our civil liberties and standards of living?

Is the U.S. really a Christian nation created to defeat Islam like Ron Parsley claims? Are we really on such high moral ground that we can go into the lion’s den without getting burned?

McCain sees the U.S. as the leader of a globalist western new world order and Ron Parsley sees the U.S. as the moral leader of the world that will advance his own dominionist views. That is an extremely dangerous combination.

Well meaning but presumptuous Christians could actually start the very war that will brings in the Beast that will turn on them and devour them.

The Bible tells Christians to try to live in peace with all people. When we start using carnal weapons to advance the kingdom we will lose the battle. We are not going to convert Islam to Christianity by promoting bloody campaigns against Islam. All it will do is to bring even greater death and destruction all over the world. I assure you after the world has had enough of religious wars they will come after those who instigated it.

Remember, Revelation tells us the Beast world government will turn on the religious Harlot that rode it into power and burn her with fire.

I tend to find McCain to be dangerous to start with because with his worldview he may get us in more wars but I could be wrong. But, team him up with extreme religious reactionaries who think that they are the leaders of a movement to take the world for some presumptuous religious kingdom on earth and the combination is explosive.

The best thing we can do with Islam is to to step back and let the different factions within it destroy each other. We certainly are not going to physically concur Islam without creating a worse Beast.

McCain’s Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam

Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a “war” against the “false religion” of Islam with the aim of destroying it.On February 26, McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, a supersize Pentecostal institution that features a 5,200-seat sanctuary, a television studio (where Parsley tapes a weekly show), and a 122,000-square-foot Ministry Activity Center. That day, a week before the Ohio primary, Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a “strong, true, consistent conservative.”

Chuck Baldwin’s main problem might be that he is assuming that America will be restored by the people. I do not think it will. America will fracture. I just wrote on this imminent danger.

Lets face it, much of the country has bought into godless socialism and the lust. Even the evangelicals are buying into dominionism socialism and the prosperity gospel. It looks like the minority in this country that hold to biblical truths will just have to separate from the walking dead.

The Constitution Party would be great if you could have get a leader of significant stature and experience to run on it. Perhaps someone like General Pace. However, if you have any illusion that Ron Paul or Judge Roy Moore will pull the numbers to get noticed you are not living in reality.

Nevertheless, I don’t suggest that any Christian vote for any of the three choices that we are given. they will all lead to the same socialist secular humanist globalist end. Just remember this, God gives the nation the leader He wants to rule. Our leaders reflect the people. If are leaders are godless you can be quite sure that most of the people of our nation are as well. On the other hand, if the majority of the people turn toward God the problems of this nation will be solved. But, since we really know they wont because the gospel is not even being preached in most of our churches. What then should we expect? I know one thing it wont be restoration.

Chuck Baldwin — Conservatives Offer No Hope

After attending numerous meetings of conservative activists, I am more convinced than ever that, ultimately, the survival of liberty in America does not depend upon political parties, special interest groups, or corporations. In these United States of America, God has put the destiny of the country squarely in the hands of “We the people.” It will not be conservatives or liberals, Republicans or Democrats, Christians or unbelievers that restore America. It will be individuals from all walks of life, all backgrounds, and all political persuasions who love liberty enough to fight to maintain it. Ultimately, of course, all nations–just like all individuals–must give an account to our Creator for how we protected the freedoms and liberties that He gave us. Right now, we are not doing a very good job.

Should the government make people do what God’s children should be doing out of their own good heart?

When government takes from those in the world who have, to give to others it fosters rebellion on one end and slothfulness on the other. In addition, government uses the redistribution of wealth to further its own worldly social agendas instead of the heavenly agenda that free will charity would bring.

Many of the problems in the world are because of blatant sin choices that people have made and that government often enables or even promotes. Treating  sin symptom problems when government helps spread the disease is an exercise in futility.

Tony Campolo thinks that you can can Christianize the world political systems. That has been tried before and it ends in tyranny. Jesus never suggested that the Church would Christianize the world. He clearly indicates that He will deal with evil on earth when he returns. After that he will rule the nations with a rod of Iron. Even in that dispensation of justice under the Messiah, if a man will not work he will not eat and if a man practices perversion he will be cut off from the land.

The whole concept that the world can be Christianized by joint government and faith based social actions does not originate in the Bible it originates with socialists who identify with Christianity but believe in secular humanism. They have more faith in sinful man to solve his problems then in a righteous God who already paid the price for all those who will believe, repent from there evil ways and do things led by His Spirit.

A Bible study on poverty

Sacrifice is not meant to be easy. Sacrifice is not painless. And personal sacrifice is clearly what Jesus is prescribing for His followers in Matthew 25 – and throughout the rest of the Bible, for that matter.Jesus doesn’t suggest spreading the pain and sacrifice by forcing non-believers to carry the load. Jesus doesn’t suggest reducing our own responsibility by foisting it upon the entire nation. Jesus doesn’t suggest stealing from the rich to give to the poor.

But that’s what Campolo’s version of enlightened Christian socialism is all about. He specifically says problems like poverty are too big for the individual and too big for the church. Only government can tackle them, he says. Gee, I wonder why Jesus forgot to mention that to us?

You will be hearing a lot more about Red Letter Christians so you ought to know what they believe. Essentially they are Marxists who find some red letters in the Bible to enforce how red they are. Many are people in the postmodern Emerging Church Movement.

The reason why they identify with Christianity is because they find some things taken out of context in the Bible that enforces their red philosophy. For example, they find a millennial worldly utopia in the Bible but ignore the scriptures that says there first has to be a physical return of Jesus to deal with the evil people on the earth. They love to quote the Golden Rule in the Bible but they continually break it by teaching people that sinful choices are to be celebrated even though those choices clearly enslave, sicken and bring death and disorder.

Red Letter Christians basically believe in a Christian hybrid theology where Christian Dominion Theology coexists with Universalism, paganism and theories of secular humanism. They believe that everyone is a child of God by whatever name you call Her. They think there are no evil people, there are only misguided ones.

Much of our government is run by people who think like Red Letter Christians and that is why our foreign policy is so Utopian. It explains why our State Department expects to make peace deals with terrorists and why they try to reason with clearly demon possessed leaders.

What are Red Letter Christians?

There’s a movement afoot to seduce evangelical Christians into anti-biblical, socialist, tyrannical politics – the kind currently energizing Barack Obama’s presidential campaign.I know this because I just read a new book by the self-proclaimed “godfather” of the movement – Tony Campolo. Yeah, you remember him as Bill Clinton’s spiritual guru.

The book is a manifesto of sorts called “Red Letter Christians.” Red Letter Christians are those, we learn in Campolo’s book, who heed the words spoken by Jesus and recorded in the New Testament – sometimes in red letters.

I’ll summarize the book for you: Christians have been paying enough attention to issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage, homosexual indoctrination in schools, etc. But, says Campolo, they need to start paying attention to what the Bible teaches to do about poverty, the environment, global warming and social injustice. And, in response, we have to empower government through political activism to shoulder our biblical responsibilities.

It’s a stunning treatise – breathtaking in either its naiveté or self-indulgent and willful corruption of clear biblical principles.

Just when you think it cannot get any nuttier in Christianity they prove you wrong. Now we are going to have a Shift in the Church and that Church Shift is going to establish God’s Kingdom on earth before Jesus even returns. Which is really nothing more than dominion theology. In order to establish this dominionism the mission of the Church will have to change from preaching the gospel to one of doing social works and this book sets the foundation for the world to become socialist along with the socialist pagans.

We have been warning the Church that this is where the postmodern heretics will take “Christianity”. After all, Christianity must fulfill the prophecy written about her for the last days. The bible talks about it in detail and it describes a whore. Why will she become a whore? Because she will compromise with all world religions in order to bring in her dominionism and she will sit over a corrupted world as a Queen who will ride the Beast to power. The Beast will then end up turning on her and burning her with fire. Rev 17:16

Notice some of the heretics already promoting the Shift. I predict that all the postmodern heretics will soon join the movement and then watch them all begin to turn on those who take the fundamental truths of the Bible literally. They will especially hate those who teach the soon return of Jesus Christ.

Just released on February 8th, this book is already #6 on Amazon’s best selling Christian book list (see Christian Post article). The book is Church Shift by pastor Sunday Adelaja of the 30,000-member Embassy of God Church in Ukraine, who says:“As
goes the Church, so goes America, and as goes America, so goes the
world… We want 10,000 churches in the U.S. and 100,000 churches
worldwide to SHIFT! This will be revolutionary!”

And what is this shift?It’s
about recovering out culture and bringing the lifestyle of the Kingdom
of God onto earth and into society by getting involved in the community.The Embassy of God is the largest charismatic church in Europe. Their website
states that God desires to reveal Himself to people and establish His
Kingdom on earth in order to change everybody’s life for the better.The Church Shift website says:

THE SHIFT IS HERE!CHURCHSHIFT
is helping to SHIFT the Church worldwide to equip the saints for
societal transformation and take back nations for the Kingdom of God.It
also mentions things like repossessing the earth back to God, equipping
church members to impact the seven spheres of society, and teaching
Kingdom values for societal transformation.

Church Shift is endorsed by T.D. Jakes, who says:Pastor
Sunday Adelaja is transforming his nation by unleashing the principles
of the Kingdom. I recommend that pastors and leaders of all kinds read
CHURCHSHIFT.

Full article

One of the things that really bugs me about the new “Evangelical” left leaders like Rick Warren is that they act like the Church was doing nothing to help people before they arrived on the scene with all their horns and whistles blowing. They insult the millions of missionaries who quietly worked in mission fields and the Holy Spirit who worked through them.

The big difference between the real missionaries and the postmodern version is that the real missionaries gave and give people more than just physical aid for the symptoms of diseases in this world. They gave the people the cure of spiritual life. The postmodern version thinks that by treating the symptoms of sin in the world that all will be well with the world. There is no truth in that!

What is really happening is that they are defining evangelicalism down by moving it away from its emphasis on the power of the gospel to change human lives to a social gospel of man curing all the ills of the world.

I hope you are getting this because this is where the bulk of the church is heading. It is a different gospel built on a different foundation. It is not built on the Rock of Salvation, it is built on theories of Secular Humanism. This gospel of works may sound good to human ears but you don’t want to be sucked into where this deadly humanistic deception will take this postmodern universalistic dominionist religion of human control.

The Religious Left is successfully redefining what it means to be a conservative evangelical by misrepresenting what it means to be a conservative evangelical. In a recent conference call hosted by Faith in Public Life, one of the emerging voices of the Religious Left, Dr. Joel Hunter, said:

“By convincing America that conservative evangelicals are concerned only with two issues, stopping abortion and preserving traditional marriage, these new voices of evangelicalism are effectively making the case that conservative evangelicals ignore poverty, HIV/AIDS, and the environment. The history of evangelicalism tells a different story.”

“The Religious Left’s appeal for the Religious Right to “broaden its agenda” to include poverty, HIV/AIDS, and the environment ignores the fact that conservative evangelicals have always had a strong commitment to these issues. So if conservative evangelicals are already leading the efforts to relieve poverty and disease, what’s behind the call to “broaden the agenda”? Another agenda altogether.”

“What’s really happening here is an attempt by the Left to define evangelicalism down by moving it away from its emphasis on the power of the gospel to change lives. The church’s ability to affect social and cultural change, bringing relief to the poor and suffering, is rooted first and foremost in its commitment to the gospel of Jesus Christ, and what the gospel says about the condition of man in sin which results in the symptoms of poverty and disease.” 

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WorldNetDaily: The Bible and ‘global warming’: “I can certainly understand why neo-pagans like Al Gore believe, despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary, man-made, catastrophic global warming is the gravest threat to the planet. What I can’t understand is why people who claim to believe in the Bible as the inerrant, inspired Word of God do so. Even more difficult to comprehend is why some evangelical Christians are caught up in the notion that government and international action are the proper methods to fight this phantom threat. “

“It is sheer folly and ego for man to believe he controls the destiny of God’s creation. But it is even more disgraceful when those who claim to believe His Word preach a false gospel of global warming that directly contradicts the entire body of scripture.”

I think Evangelicals are caught up into this global warming hype because they believe in Dominion Theology. They actually think that they are in the Kingdom on earth and that they have the mandate to manage from God to make it a paradise. They unite with the world on this cause even if it takes going to the lowest common denominator to find unity with them. To do this they discount absolute truth and evil.

This is why we are now seeing leading Evangelicals standing on platforms with and spouting the same drivel as pagans, the rich and famous, elite atheistic globalists and world religious figures. There are many things these neo “Christian leaders” do not understand. One thing is that the Bible does not teach dominionism anytime before the physical return of the King. They know nothing of Bible prophecy because it does not fit their Replacement Theology dominionist agenda, and they fail to grasp that the world is not going to become Christianized by the church playing the Harlot with the unregenerate world.

WorldNetDaily: What is Robert Schuller ‘rethinking’?
It’s an all-star conference set for the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, Calif., Jan. 17-19.
Former President George H.W. Bush will speak.
Chuck Colson will make a presentation.
Larry King will be there.
Rupert Murdoch will address attendees.
Ben Stein will appear.
And Kay Warren, wife of Saddleback Church mega-pastor Rick Warren, will join Robert Schuller, the white-haired, bespectacled purveyor of “possibility thinking.”
What could such a diverse group have in common? What’s the topic?
Well, it’s a little vague.
It’s called the “Rethink Conference,” and Schuller promises 30 “Aha!” moments from the 30 different speakers confirmed for the event.

Not everyone is thrilled about this meeting of the minds. Some, including Christian author and former New Age devotee Warren Smith, suspect an agenda to subvert the church – to take the focus off biblical truth and absolutes.
“From my perspective as a former New Age follower, I believe that Robert Schuller’s mission has always been to ‘rethink’ and ‘change’ biblical Christianity into something ‘new’ – as in New Age/New Spirituality,” he says.

Rethink to me sounds a little to much like what the Emergent Church movement is doing although with this line up it would appear to be more of a all ways to utopia on earth through a religious dominionist agenda.

I do not know why Christian leaders would appear on Robert Schuller’s platform anyway since he is an admitted universalist and his teaching is obviously heretical. We will have to wait and see what they all say, I am sure what that say will give us much more to write about. I am not liking where many of today’s “Christian leaders” are taking the church. It is like they cannot see a distinction between Christianity and other religious views in the world and they seem to embrace a soft global dominionism that is not even Christian.

I suspect that this conference is an attempt by Robert Schuller to bring religions together to address perceived world problems. The problem with that is they want to treat symptoms with religion rather than the spiritual disease with Chritianity.

Frank Gaffney: ‘Surrender’ in Iraq would embolden Islamofascists (OneNewsNow.com): “Frank Gaffney, founder and president of the Center for Security Policy, told the Christians United for Israel Summit in Washington, DC, that Muslim totalitarians are every bit as determined as Adolf Hitler to achieve ‘final solutions.’ Gaffney said those final solutions are not confined to ‘the Saturday people’ but to ‘the Sunday people’ as well.
‘The Islamofascists have Israel in mind as an appetizer. We are the main course,’ he stated. ‘Israel is a canary in the mineshaft of what is in store for all of us.’”

We should be aware that the main goal of Islam is world conquest for Allah. It is like Christian Dominionism but where they differ is the way they carry out their world conquest for God. Christian dominionists think that the lifestyles of Christians and their message will win over the rest of the world for the true God while Islamofascists want to take the world over by force and make everyone submit to the “peaceful” teachings of a false God they call Allah. Both views are wrong.

There will be no Christian world until Jesus sets it up. The moral lifestyles of “Christians” that the world now sees is not impressing anyone and the salvation by faith in God’s righteousness message has largely been lost in favor of a gospel of social humanism. Islamofascism, on the other hand, with their human conquest through physical deadly force to force peace on the earth is hypocritical and clearly demonic.

Parsley issues wake-up call to a sleeping church (OneNewsNow.com): “Before the church can be victorious in the culture war, says Parsley, its members must deal with their own sins. ‘We need repentance,’ he says. ‘[We need] individual, moral reform. It was John the Baptist’s first message. It was Jesus’ first message. Unfortunately, it’s our last message.’”

The Church is not sleeping, people in churches are. The Church is not in a cultural war, people in the churches are. The Church does not need to deal with its own sins - Jesus paid it all, people in the churches do. The Church does not need individual moral reform - we are all new creations in Christ, people in the churches do.

If you cannot see the difference between the Church and the agenda of people within church institutions on earth you are really preaching dominionism. This is not the great commission for the Church. The cultural wars will lead to the “woman who rides the Beast” and the Antichrist. The great Commission will lead people to salvation.

Where in the Bible anwhere does it tell Christians to be victorious in the culture war and to try to bring morality to a fallen world?