This is Marsha West’s follow-up on “Bam! Bam! bam! said the the false prophet” article. I posted it on this blog not too long ago and there is a also a link to it at the end of this article. This article gives quite a bit of additional information to her above article and she also writes about a first hand account of someone who actually went to Lakeland for healing. I have already told my readers what I think of the Todd Bentley freak show so I will not repeat it all here. If you have not read what I wrote. Go to “home” on this Blog and type in the name “Todd Bentley” in the search box and the articles should come up.

By the way, there is nothing new about people like Todd Bentley. I have already seen this act first hand thirty years ago by those who started this Word-Faith movement spin off. They used to make the Charismatic mega church circuits in Phoenix when I was living there. One guy I am thinking of also saw angels and later he saw jail (for embezzlement or fraud I believe). Let me assure you that the claimed healings are all nonsense. I personally knew people who claimed healing they obviously never had.

The crowd is put into an auto suggestive state and the rest is much like a stage hypnotist act. They have no problem making people look like fools and I think that is some of their intent. They are actually mocking these gullible people and Christianity. The same gullible people followed these clowns around from venue to venue in the Phoenix area when I was there hoping that this would be the day they would get their healing. It would be laughable if it was not so tragic to the sick and dying and deadly to the true gospel. Now they tie money to the amount of healing you will get which is a refinement of what they used to do. They used to just keep passing the basket until they got what they wanted. Three collections was quite common.

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There’s a rumor going around that dead folks are coming to life again, the blind see, the sick are getting healed, amputees are even growing new limbs, all due to the supernatural healing powers of Canadian faith-evangelist Todd Bentley. Some believe there’s a “Holy Spirit breakout” going on at the “Lakeland Outpouring.” Fresh Fire Ministries is behind the so-called revival. The burning question for the Fresh Fire team is, where’s the flesh? Doubting Thomas’s would like to hear a couple of the prior dead stand up and give their testimonies. One verifiable testimony would help.

Here’s another question: Why hasn’t Oprah invited one of the 30 plus people Bentley claims have passed over to the other side, then suddenly reentered their bodies due to his “God-given” healing powers, onto her daytime show. Her audience would eat it up!

My final question is for the Christian who believes Todd Bentley hung the moon and stars: Are you serious?

In my commentary “Bam! Bam! Bam! said the false prophet”[2] I exposed Todd Bentley as a fool and a fraud. Not surprisingly I received a large number of email from Christians who accused me of judging him. Several emailers claimed they’ve been to the Lakeland Outpouring, thus they feel they’re experts on what’s happening there. Because I haven’t “experienced” the “move of the Holy Spirit” first hand, I have no business “judging” Bentley. Which is like saying that those who haven’t been to Afghanistan or Iraq shouldn’t express their opinion on the war. That’s ridiculous! The greater a Christian leader’s responsibility, the greater his/her accountability. Judging is not only permissible, it is every Christian’s duty. But that fact has not stopped some “protectors of the prophet” from being put out with me. And so I received this dire warning: “!” What do they mean by that threat? Critics must keep their hands off word-faith teachers. Which is ludicrous on its face since it’s scriptural to expose false teachers and abusive pastors.

I responded to my critics by saying that my marching orders come from the King! As such, I will continue speaking publicly about Todd Bentley’s unscriptural theology. My mission is to expose Christian liberalism and the influential “Christians” who are leading the undiscerning into neo paganism. Ever wonder why professing Christians say they’re “spiritual” instead of religious? It’s because they’ve strayed from the straight and narrow path and are following the path of the mystics! In other words, they’ve strayed from historic orthodox Christianity and now embrace beliefs acquired from Eastern mysticism! As a result of the Progressive Christianity movement, liberalism and occult practices have made their way into mainline churches.

Progressives have mounted an all out assault on the validity of the Bible. Why? They want to remove the only source of real truth. Who’s behind it? Our adversary the devil! His goal is to rid the world of the Book that conveys God’s redemptive plan to fallen humanity. Listen to what Paul says about the Bible:

What Dembski reports next is profoundly disturbing. He explains that after Bentley “preached,” an offering was taken. During the offering he asked the crowd:

“’How much anointing do you want to receive?’ Thus he linked the blessing we should receive with the amount of money we gave.”

Following the prayer for mass healing, Bentley told the crowd he would pray for the severest cases. What happened next is beyond belief:

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Glad to see that there are some that have the same opinion of the Todd Bentley and the “third wave” crowd that I do. Show some people a few lying signs and wonders and they will believe anything.

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Anytime someone goes beyond what Scripture tells us, he is “intruding into those things which he hath not seen.” (Col. 2:18) Speaking of “intruding into those things which he hath not seen” and being “vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,” check this out:

Here are a couple of excerpts from Todd Bentley’s 2003 article entitled Angelic Hosts:

“So when I need a financial breakthrough I don’t just pray and ask
God for my financial breakthrough. I go into intercession and
become a partner with the angels by petitioning the Father for the
angels that are assigned to getting me money: ‘Father, give me
the angels in heaven right now that are assigned to get me money
and wealth. And let those angels be released on my behalf. Let
them go into the four corners of the earth and gather me money.’”

There is no mention of Jesus Christ here in Bentley’s praying. He just partners with angels to get what he wants

Looking to these externals (signs, wonders, dreams, miracles, etc.) is tied with looking to mere men. They become idols of our hearts. If we are going to look to men, look to the apostle Paul, John, and Peter. They were authentically His disciples, filled with His Spirit, honored His holy Word above all else, and walked with Him. The Bible tells us they were “holy men of God.” (2 Pet. 1:20-21) God Himself approved these men as opposed to the many self-proclaimed prophets and self-promoting deceivers on the scene today. Look to Jesus Christ. His Word is final authority (Rom. 3:3-4). Didn’t Jesus tell us that false prophets who come in His holy name would deceive “many”? (Matt. 24:5, 11, 24) Also, did He not foretell that “MANY” who call Him “Lord, Lord” and even use His name in vain to do miracles, prophesy, and do many wonder works, are going to hell? (Matt. 7:21-23)

It is essential to believe what God has revealed to us about Jesus Christ. We must remain in those fundamental doctrines of Christ or we will lose out in the end. The mission of the enemy is to use one of his many deceivers to move you away from the doctrinal and spiritually pure worship of Jesus Christ our LORD. Examine this next passage closely. 2 John 7-11 says:

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not (does not remain) in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.

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The whole idea that there will be a wealth transfer from the world to the Church is preposterous. What do they think the world will be doing while we take away their wealth and what in the world would we do with the wealth of the world anyway? Get rid of poverty? Where does it say the Church will do that in scripture? Actually these people will take new found wealth to build more and larger circus tents for their “third wave” freak shows?

There is no such concept of a wealth transfer to the Church in scripture it is totally contrary to what the scripture teaches.

These “third wave” self appointed, apostles, prophets and healers are proud presumptuous deranged people or they are greedy con artists and liars.

The “third wave” apostles, false prophets and healers appeal to people’s flesh and that is the only reason they have a following. They certainly do not hear the true gospel from these people and they do receive any sound Christian teaching.

These are the people Jesus was talking about in Matthew chapter 7: 21-22. They tell Jesus did we not prophecy in your name and cast out Devils in your name and do great works? But, Jesus will say to them depart from me you workers of inequity I never knew you.

Most of these people are con men deceivers. I am not so gullible as to believe that they actually believe the stuff they peddle. I guess there could be a few simple minded exceptions in the group but the rest are simply religious acting con artists.

They use scriptures without understanding because they have none. They have no Holy Spirit to give it to them. They are followed by those who do not read God’s word. They would rather listen to people who tickle their itching ears. They could all be board members of the First Church of the Flesh.

These leaders claim to be apostles, prophets and healers and they claim to be great anointed people of God but they really are the wolves in sheep’s clothing that the Bible warns us against.

People wonder why I say the “Word of Faith” movement is a false gospel cult. Well, what movement produced the prideful presumptive demonic “third wave” movement and the prosperity gospel? They distort everything in the Bible. So much so, that their Jesus cannot even be found in any honest study of the Bible.

I think many of the “third wave” leaders are demon possessed and many of those who go to their gatherings are in danger of becoming demon possessed. Many of the regulars who go to their meetings display manifestations of occult demon possession. They are not of sound mind. Neither Jesus Christ, nor the Holy Spirit is in the tabernacle.

If you are following these people run! You are playing with fire.

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Will the Church soon be showered with the wealth of the unrighteous, thus being able to fund the last, great global harvest of souls? Again quoting C. Peter Wagner, “I think the time is ripe for those of us who are apostles to begin to understand the crucial role we have in God’s plan to release the wealth of the wicked for the advance of the kingdom of God.”[2]

But what does the Bible say? Pursuing a historical-grammatical interpretation—in other words, interpreting the Bible as it reads—try as one might, one cannot find this view supported in the Bible.

Dealing first with the “wealth transfer” notion, indeed, we do find that there is a great wealth transfer prophesied in Scripture. However, it has nothing to do with the Church, but rather applies to Israel and the Millennial period.

There are many other problems with the last-day wealth transfer notion applying to the Church. For example, it is claimed that there will yet be a last-day global harvest before the Lord returns, and that the Church will need great wealth to fund this objective as well as eradicating poverty in the world. Says Wagner, “In order to possess the gate of wealth to, among other things, develop plans to eradicate systemic poverty, we need to develop new structures of intercession to do the spiritual warfare necessary to transfer wealth.[3]”

However, the Bible says directly otherwise. Clearly implying that there would be little faith upon earth when He returns,

So is there a great, last-day wealth transfer to the Church? Scripture easily and clearly settles this question. Yet, theologians who should have sufficient knowledge of what the Bible says[4] instead prefer to trust their own intuitions and prophecies. This recent statement from Apostle Peter (also known as C. Peter Wagner) provides an example of such vanity, in which he appears to make his own decrees supersede Scripture. Spoken on the great reverential authority of the claimed office of an early New Testament apostle, he literally commands the earth’s obedience. Not even the first Apostle Peter spoke with such licence. (One also wonders why the foundations of the New Jerusalem will be named after the original 12 apostles and not more? —See Revelation 21:14.)

“I hereby take the apostolic authority that I have been given by God. I decree that vast amounts of wealth will be released supernaturally, even from godless and pagan sources. I decree that large numbers of God’s chosen people will be empowered in fresh and creative ways to gain wealth according to Deuteronomy 8:18. New inventions will multiply. Disruptive technologies will change the life patterns of the whole human race. The earth will disgorge vast riches of hidden resources. These will be entrusted to God’s agents. Profits will increase exponentially. It is spoken. So may it come to pass! Amen and amen!”[5]

Today, as all too frequently with other Third Wave Christian movements supposedly marked by “fresh moves of the Spirit,” new or revised theologies have been revealed on the strength of new prophecies uttered by their own prophets. The serious issue here is that these prophecies serve to revise what God originally said through his prophets and Scripture. Indeed, such revisions are not a new phenomenon, having been the mark of many if not all apostate movements or beliefs.

The true Church of the last days, if anything, is more of a remnant than it is resplendent with wealth. Revelation 3:8 says that the church of the “open door” is weak and feeble; far from being imbued with worldly power and wealth. It is this little Philadelphian band of believers, to which is promised, “Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth” (Revelation 3:10). If the Third Wave movements are correct, one wonders why it is the rich Laodicean church that is being reprimanded by Christ.

I have spoken about this deceiver before so I am not going to add anything except to say check out the many links on this article if you really want to see what the Todd Bentley demonic circus act is all about and see how many gullible people will pay the price of admission. Remember a picture is worth a thousand words so this is worth millions.

Is Todd Bentley a False Prophet? - CWN

Is Todd Bentley a False Prophet? -
Is Lakeland a False Revival?

How gullible can people possibly be to support and/or defend this clown?!

Someone might say: “How can you imply that Todd Bentley is a false prophet?!” My reply: Because I can read. Can you read? Have you and are you daily searching the Holy Scriptures?

In this article Ken Silva gives his views why Ray Comfort should not speak on the same platform of these Word Faith Wolves. I also read Ray Comfort’s points of view as well as another view. Ray basically says he would preach the gospel anywhere (and Ray it is not just their prosperity message that is heretical). Saying your going to preach the gospel sounds good but often life is not that simple. Preaching the gospel and having your name being used to promote a different gospel could be two different things.

Would Paul go to a Gnostic convention to preach the gospel knowing that they wanted to use his name to promote lying Gnosticism? Would he stand with them and not condemn the things they said that were contrary to the truth? You know he would not.

I knew and still know some word of faith people. They know the gospel that Ray preaches so they already heard the salvation message. The problem is not that they have not heard the gospel of salvation the problem with Word Faith is that they add their own pet heresies to the gospel. They go beyond what the scripture says and twist the scriptures for their own ends. So Ray do you really want to follow John Avanzini after he gives his hundred fold blessing message and act as if you did not hear his heretical insanity? If Todd Bentley were there would you follow the Todd Bentley Bam Bam Bam show with guest appearance by his “angel” Emma?

Much the same can be said about following the messages of the other World Faith specialists. Yeah, they have well known specialists. Everyone specializes in their own narrow area of fame and they parade their services for sale like like some side show of freaks at a carnival. I suspect they think you want to do the same in your area of expertise. After all, someone must give something that sounds like a legitimate Christian message of salvation to validate the whole carnival act. God forbid if you actually tried to correct God’s anointed.

Well that’s my two cents worth, read Ken Silva’s view.

Ray Comfort Should Not Share The Platform With Word Faith Wolves - CWN

What is at issue however is Comfort sharing the platform next week at the Inspiring Excellence conference (IEC) with John Avanzini, Jesse Duplantis and Rod Parsley among others. [1] No one can correctly say that any of those men preach the historic orthodox Christian faith. Rather, each is clearly aligned with the cult of the Word Faith movement. And as brothers and sisters in Christ we should be able to discuss issues like this without it wrongly being perceived as an attack upon Ray Comfort himself.

If this was the first time that Comfort had been publicly yoked with these men by sharing their platform with them that would be another matter entirely; but this will be the third time he is involved with IEC. The facts show that Ray Comfort spoke at this conference in July of 2005, as did Avanzini and Duplantis, along with Word Faith cult leader Kenneth Copeland. [2] In addition Ray was also a “Special Speaker” in 2007. [3]

Jan Markell makes it clear that Todd Bentley is a wolf even if she does not want to demonize Bentley I think it is a bit too late. He is demonized and if that steps on your latter rain theology, good.

Two decades ago I said that the Charismatics and Pentecostals will continue to split into two major camps. One camp will become biblically grounded and do all things in order, for example, the Calvary Chapels. The other group will continue to move away from sound doctrine into questionable mysterious experiences. I was correct. The leadership moved even beyond what anyone could foresee. They willfully became False Prophets, blasphemers, liars, full of pride, greedy, buffoons. Their followers have become worshipers of men, always looking for some new emotional goose bump. They have become biblically illiterate, brainwashed, put into altered states, and made to play the fool for those they worship and to be paraded as a mockery of Christianity to the whole world.

We see this being manifested today in the “Signs and Wonders” movement, Word of Faith, Some Vineyards, Some Assemblies of God’s and some others. If you have taken the wrong path you need to change directions pronto. This path has already led you to a false gospel but it will soon lead you to the deception of the Antichrist.

What if the foolish things that you are doing in some of these churches were youtubed to your employer? You probably should know you could kiss off any advancement. It would not be because of your confessed faith in Jesus, it will be because your employer will be convinced that you are not of sound mind. I have news God is also watching your little show even if no one else sees it.

FOOTPRINTS OF A PROPHET OR TRACKS OF A WOLF? - CWN

I am writing the “inconvenient truth” today. I have been blitzed with e-mails about the Todd Bentley “revival” in Florida. Before you fall for his stories and “signs and wonders,” please allow me to make some comments. I realize this will not be received well by many.

This is a Charismatic happening called the “third wave.” The “first wave” was Toronto, and it fizzled out. The “second wave” was Pensacola, and it had the same fate. Now Bentley has brought in the “third wave,” and folks are coming from around the world for the “anointing.” Even the Charisma Magazine editor Lee Grady says — sounding a warning — “My inbox has been full of messages from Charismatic leaders who are concerned about everything from Bentley’s tattoos and body piercings to his claim that he once interviewed the apostle Paul in Heaven. When I called for scrutiny of some aspects of the Lakeland Revival, I was labeled a Pharisee and a ‘religious policeman.’ I had suddenly become the enemy.”

every word out of his mouth. Pray that their eyes would be opened before they are further spiritually damaged. We are not trying to demonize Todd; rather, we hope to protect some sheep, which our pastors should be doing but many are not.

This is a pretty good analysis of Todd Bentley with some good links to youtube so you can get to see the WWF act for yourself. Frankly, any Christian that believes that what is coming from Todd Bentley and LakeLand is from God might just skip the whole act and just check themselves into their local mental ward. That includes you pastors and media who promote this satanic blasphemy. From Brownsville to Toronto to Kansas City to Lackland all the false prophets that have opened up Christianity to ridicule and make a mockery of God with their blasphemy should be stoned. None would have dared to carry out such a mockery in any other generation. Yet, many of you church people think what they are doing in public is funny or spiritual? Have you learned nothing after thirty years of this crap?

“BAM! BAM! BAM!” said the false prophet - CWN By Marsha West

Faith evangelist Todd Bentley has drawn hundreds of thousands to his Florida Healing Revival to “soak in the glory and spread the fire.” Before you pack up the car or purchase an airline ticket and head to Lakeland Florida, here’s a word of warning: Christians who play with fire will get burned.

All the controversy over the Lakeland Outpouring is causing deep division within the Church. Some Christians believe Bentley is bringing a long overdue revival. They argue that since people are getting healed it’s a move of God. But a growing number of believers say he’s a fraud. So which is it? Is Todd Bentley a prophet of God, or just another huckster? Let’s examine the evidence to find out if a genuine revival is going on in Lakeland.

most of whom are professing Christians, laughed and applauded as Bentley blamed God for telling him to inflict pain on people! The Apostles never behaved in such an appalling manner. Would Paul kick a senior citizen in the head, even with lightweight sandals on his feet? Peter may have been hotheaded, still he would never have resorted to grounding and pounding the sick in order to heal them. Now, imagine John choking someone and saying that God told him to do it! What I have just described is Todd Bentley’s WWF style of healing.

After watching Bentley’s performance, I’m convinced this is not a move of God; it’s a move of the Adversary. I’m also convinced that the charismatic revival, hailed as another Great Awakening, is a lying sign and a false revival. I realize that some lost souls are coming to Christ in Lakeland but they’re being saved in spite Todd Bentley, not because of him! This has all come about because of a lack of spiritual depth and transformation among those who claim to be committed Christians.

One last comment. Any pastor who advises his/her flock to visit the Lakeland Outpouring cannot be trusted for the simple reason that he/she is sorely lacking in spiritual discernment. Consider looking for a new church!

Carla at “More Books and Things” put together a nice set of links about Todd Bentley and what is going on in the loony movement in Lakeland Flordia.

My opinion is that Bentley is either a con artist, demon possessed or is mentally ill. Take any selection that works for you. This unbelievable bozo even has a angel named Emma? There are no angels named Emma. Angels are always masculine. So believe me Emma is no angel and Bentley is no spokesman for God. This clod is saying that when he got sucked up to heaven God told him we are hindering God from healing us? Just ask Emma of wonderland, she has a magic mushroom that will clear all this up.

I mean, come on you stupid people how loony are you going to get? This tired healing circus has been going on for many decades and everyone but those specially chosen to be gullible knows that this loony mass hypnotism movement is all about taking the cash out of your wallets and the little sound doctrine you once might have had out of your mind.

I am going to be frank. It is really time that some Pentecostals and Charismatics grew up! It is time to quit looking for messages from God in fleshly experiences and to look for what He said in His Word. You people are getting nuttier than the snake handlers.

Your not only hurting your own walk with God you are a stumbling block to unbelievers and to ungrounded Christians. They look at what you people are doing and they say, if that is Christianity I do not want anything to do with it. Well it ain’t Christianity, it is just con artists using Christian words to make fools out of easy marks…suckers.

The Church has always had wolves in sheep’s clothing that will give people with itchy ears what they want to hear. What do you think the Bible is talking about when it warns that this would occur in the last days? It is talking about what you people are doing. You are fulfilling prophecy by running from con artist to con artist to hear a word that is not from the Lord or to put your hope in these fake healers.

People who call themselves Christians but worship men who display themselves as self anointed idols in the place of God are walking on very dangerous ground.

Pastors, you had better start disciplining those in your congregations that are promoting this nonsense or you will be held accountable. Or maybe you also are part of the promotion problem? If you cannot teach biblical Christianity from your pulpit what are you really doing up there? What do you think Jesus will say to you when you helped your flock get fleeced just so you can act like one of the avant-garde big shots?

After decades of being carried about by every strange new doctrine don’t you think it is time you all grow up!

More Books and Things…: Latest Todd Bentley Things

It was two years ago when I heard a local guy named Todd Bentley being interviewed on a radio station. He told how he got ’sucked up’ like a vacuum and found himself in a huge stadium in heaven. He’s not sure if he was in his body or out of his body, but he was in a huge football field where an army was playing, and the players were angels and demons. Then God told him that He wants to release or unleash angels of healing but he is waiting for us…waiting for the church to work. He said there’s going to be lots of miracles everywhere and an army of Christians, and we need to make room for the anointing.

So what is this all about? I think we are seeing more than just some so called little supposed charismatic revival down in Florida. What alarms me is how many Christians are getting deceived by these so called signs and wonders, and this ’spirit’ that is camouflaging itself as the Holy Spirit of God and contagiously spreading around the world like a virus. It’s a sign of the times, that people will believe what they want to believe, and so God will give them over to deception.

Carla at “More Books and Things” put together some good information and links on modern day false prophets such as Rick Joyner, Bob Jones, Mike Bickle, Paul Cain, and Benny Hinn. She also mentions and has links on Todd Bentley’s book “The Journey into the Miraculous” and Carla lets us find out what Jim Goll is saying. This is really pretty twisted stuff.

Like I have indicated before, the spiritual deception is not just coming from New Age teachers like Oprah. It is coming from the Emergent leaders and Word-Faith. You need to read the article and follow the links to begin to understand how fast this end time deception is taking shape. The intention is a religious paradigm shift toward a pantheistic spirituality to deceive the world. These movements use the name of Christ but they all reinvent Jesus Christ.

More Books and Things…: Bentley Book

Don’t know if anyone has been watching some of those crazy clips from the big new revival down in Florida. They say it’s another Toronto Blessing thing. And that’s a big deal…just look at the effects of the last one. Well, I have been quite horrified with some of the things I’ve been seeing

So it looks like it IS all converging…contemplative prayer, mysticism, different streams, New Age, and now the signs and wonders movement is converging into this same stream, with Bentley and his out of body experiences, angelic visitations, manifestations of kundalini serpent power symptoms, third heaven visions and visits with “jesus” with the Bambi eyes. Give me a break! Who would have ever thought that the Silence and the old “Be Still” thing was going to connect them all together?

This article does a real good job putting Oprah’s New Age promotions, Word-Faith and postmodern “Christianity” in the same boat. Essentially they all are saying that we can create our own reality through our own thoughts, words or deeds because we are all part of the force. There is way too much good information in this article to just read my snippet of it so if you want to know all about this paradigm shift to the dark side, read Marsha West’s article.

Marsha West — Oprah Shifts to the Dark Side

Rhonda Byrne and Joel Osteen may have significant differences, but the one thing they agree on is that “You are the Master of the Universe, and the Genie is there to serve you.” For Byrne the Genie is the Law of Attraction. For Osteen the Genie is God.

My reason for bringing up Word-Faith teaching is to show its similarities to the New Age movement. Actually, New Age movement is a tired old term. Devotees prefer “New Spirituality” or just plain “Spirituality.” Another term is Cosmic Humanism. No matter how you couch it, it’s Eastern mysticism.

New Agers outright reject the Jesus of the Bible and have adopted a Cosmic Christ. Who is this Christ? “In esoteric schools of thought, the Christ is considered to be a universal spirit or a cosmic force. The primary goal of this impersonal spirit or force is to guide the spiritual evolution of mankind.”[10]

As I brought to light in my article on ECM, New Agers are not the only ones who believe there is a paradigm shift taking place. Some Christians believe it, too. As a consequence “everything must change.”

“There is a growing movement afoot in the postmodern Church that does not abide in God’s Word…The movement calls itself ‘Emergent’ or ‘Emerging Church’ (ECM

How incredibly undiscerning! Janet Folger is now teaching us Word of Faith Theology. She obviously is a believer in heretical Dominion theology. The link will give you more of my take on that theology.

Folger implies that Jesus lost the keys of the kingdom of heaven and had to die to get them back from Satan.
What heretical nonsense. Jesus never lost the keys of the kingdom of heaven. What kind of God would lose his keys? The keys Jesus gave the Church is authority in the spiritual realm in the spiritual kingdom of heaven. Even Jesus has not yet bound Satan on earth and taken authority on the earth because the timing of that is set by the Father alone. There are some still to be saved out of this world before judgment and the earthly kingdom is set up.

If what Folger said was true why did not the 12 apostles just take authority, bind Satan and set up the earthly kingdom instead of letting the world kill them. Gee, we Christians could of had total control of the earth for almost 2000 years if they only understood things the way Word Faith preachers do. Why do not two Christians anywhere just bind all the forces of Satan on earth and establish dominion? Why don’t Janet Folger just get together with Kenneth Copeland and try it? Why are you blaming us that your own prayers are not getting answered? Jesus said it would only take two if Jesus really meant what you imply.

We have no dominion on the earth because we are sinners and cannot administer this earth with justice. Dominion does not mean ownership, God owns the earth. After man sinned God put the earth under the administration of angels until the justice and sin problem is taken care of. (Satan just happens to be the chief angel in charge watching over this creation and he continually reports our unworthiness to have dominion on the earth.)

The keys of the kingdom of heaven do not give us ownership of a world living in sin it gives us standing in the kingdom of heaven as priests to carry out the will of the King. Obviously God’s will is not to bring a world of sinners into the kingdom that He will establish on the earth.

What title deed to the earth is Janet talking about? God does not give out title deeds to His creation. Where in scripture anywhere does it say that man was given a title deed to the earth? Man did not lose something he never had and Jesus did not die for any title deed. Jesus already had the title deed of everything as the Creator. Jesus died for our sins not for fake titles. And Jesus did not then give some abstract title deed to the planet back to man only to have him lose the title by default back to Satan by Christians not doing what they should have. That is what many Word Faith preachers teach. Then they say the Latter Rain, New Wave anointed elite (themselves) have to come and confront Satan and take the title of earth back again and bring in the physical kingdom on earth before Jesus can even come back. This Kingdom Now, Latter Rain, Manifest sons of Destiny Theology is totally absurd. It is not Christian doctrine. It is loony.

Jesus taught us to pray that God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven and we are still praying for that because God has not brought in the Kingdom on earth yet like it is in heaven. It is like praying for the peace of Jerusalem, you should pray for that end but you cannot bring it in before God’s own timing. Only when Jesus comes back will God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven and will there be true peace in Jerusalem.

Pslam 2:8 in context is talking about the Son of God, not Christians. He will give the nations to Jesus Christ but the timing is in the Fathers hands. Ripping it out of context as some promise to the betrothed bride that has not even been given gifts and awarded leadership positions and that are not yet fully prepared or fully completed in the body to be formally married to the King yet in the Father’s eyes is beyond presumption, it is arrogance. We will rule and reign with Jesus on earth when He is given David’s throne on earth and not before.

You asked what we have faith for? We have faith in the hope of Jesus fulfilling all His promises. We have faith that what we hear God tell us will be fulfilled, but we do not have faith to presume that your own wishes for the earth are from God. That is presumption.

Janet Folger said she would like to start by taking our own country back? She implies that Christians had dominion over America and lost it. She implies that the U.S. was a Christian nation. When was that? Do they not teach history in schools anymore? This nation had one wickedness after another throughout its history along with any good. Perhaps the best periods were right after major wars but that always is the case because wars remove many of the violent evil people from the earth. In any case, you cannot take a nation back for Christ that was never won for Christ. I do not even know a city or a town that was totally won for Christ. In order to do that you would have to oppose all who do not see things your theological way. The world already has a history of cities, nations and empires trying to take it for their version of Christianity. Was that good? Is that what you are suggesting for America. A Holy American Empire with Word of Faith preachers ruling on the throne? I think I do not want to be part of that America. Their Jesus is too much like the Jesus of Oprah. So you better get your burning stakes ready for me.

Occupy to Jesus comes means to live here in the world in whatever state you find yourself in. It does not mean to take it over. Remember Jesus promised the Church persecution in the world not a national or world utopia.

Your whole premises is flawed and why would you need us to help anyway. You and Copeland can do it all yourself. After all, you claim if two or more ask for anything in Jesus name it will be done for you. According to your own theology nothing can stop you. So stop whining and get started!

Ugh!

Stop whining and take dominion!

Of course, Jesus said (essentially), “No deal.” Satan was running the place, but when Jesus took the punishment our sins deserved on the cross and rose again, Jesus “got the keys back.” He reconciled us to himself and handed them over to us as he said in Matthew 16:19:

And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

With the keys Jesus gave us, we have authority, responsibility, access and ownership. Which brings us back to “Plan A” in the first chapter of Genesis where God told us to “have dominion over & every living thing that moves on the earth.”

With the title deed and the keys we’ve been given, we now can take dominion as was the original plan and see God’s will be done “on earth as it is in Heaven,” just like we’ve been praying in the Lord’s prayer all this time.

So, here’s my question. Just what do you have faith for? Psalm 2:8 says: “Ask of me, and I will give you the nations for your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for your possessions.” That sounds pretty good to me. I’d like to start with taking my country back. To “occupy” until He comes.

I’ve turned off the pundits to tap into the power. I want to know God’s heart enough to come into alignment with Him and start turning some keys and opening some doors. It’s time we take ownership and occupy the centers of influence and the areas of our culture Christians have vacated. It’s time we stop whining about how big the giants are and start coming back to “Plan A”: dominion. You have the keys. You have the title deed. What are you waiting for? Even the heaviest iron door doesn’t stand a chance.

This is an audio so be prepared for that. Due to my bandwidth (I have none) I have not listened to this but it is obvious that it is about the claims of “Word Faith” teachers. And also about how their heretical views parallel the teaching of the new paganism that is coming in like a flood through media. I get criticism all the time that Word Faith is so biblical. I don’t buy that for many reasons and I let people know. Brannon Howse does not either. Find out about some of the reasons here. Also check out my own article that talks about generational curses and many other things.

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Is Joyce Meyer a false teacher? Did Jesus go to hell after dying on the cross? Was atonement for our sins provided through Christ on the cross or Jesus Christ going to hell? Are generational curses Biblical? Are there demons that represent certain sins such as lust or anger? Does Joyce Meyer embrace the same teaching as Oprah and the “law of attraction”?

I love Steve Camp’s reasoning here.

Is God Short of Cash?: The Myth of the Prosperity Gospel - CWN

I was on a famous Christian TV show several years ago before their demise. During a ‘commercial’ break, the host of the program told me if I would give $100 to his ministry the Lord would give me back $1,000… I asked him politely, “Sir, where does it say stupid written on me?” He was a bit shocked and asked me, “don’t you believe that the Lord will bless you by giving your money to our ministry?” I told him, “No way”; and that furthermore he didn’t even believe such a thing. He was again a bit surprised by my response and said, “Yes I do.” I answered, “No, you don’t.” He said, “YES, I do.” I said, “NO, you don’t.” With a puzzled look on his face he frustratingily said, “Why do you keep telling me that I don’t believe this?” I said, “Simple. If you really believe this, then why don’t you give your $100 to God, He’ll give you a $1,000 back, and you’ll quite asking me for mine?” He looked at me with that dumbfounded kind of quasi pseudo-theological televangelist deer in the headlights don’t bother me with doctrine ‘I don’t get it’ look, and replied, “I never thought of that before.” I quietly muttered, “I think that’s the problem with you guys.”

Since John McCain kissed up to Rod Parsley even though Ron Parsley is one of the worst Word Faith heretics in existence. I thought I would link to a good article on the nonsense that Parsley preaches to his huge Church and TV audience.

I would not want anyone to think that McCain actually linked with true Christian conservatives by speaking at World Harvest Church in Ohio. The most that McCain would find there is Christian garnish that goes along with the Parsley. Not that McCain knows the difference between Christian teaching and tickle the ears garnish spreading of Word Faith teaching. McCain’s own retired paster said that McCain is not what he would consider a Christian that knows the scriptures. When your own pastor says that about you, you have not impressed him with your profound Christian knowledge.

Anyway I thought that McCain and Parsley were pretty strange birds to have in the same pot. Rod Parsley is a dominionist and John McCain obviously thinks that the U.S. should make the world a U.S. led socialist Christian democracy. I wonder if John McCain will get all the religious dominionists together to try to bring on the world a hybrid universal religious democracy. If that is true expect some strange religious people in his government. People like Romney, Huckabee, Rick Warren, Bono, Bell, Joe Lieberman…. the Pope, Tom Cruz, Rosie etc. Anyway I digress to profound speculation, you might read about the Rod of Parsley yourself.

Rod Parsley

Rod Parsley is the pastor of the over 5000 seat World Harvest Church located in Columbus, Ohio.Parsley is a powerful motivational preacher who mixes truth with error. He is involved in word faith teachings and latter rain doctrines. He is one of the most popular Pentecostal TV preachers in America right now. He is able to release the anointing to people. He Cuts up prayer clothes to heal by laying hands on them and praying over them. He will even lay his whole body over a pile of letters as he believes he is literally transferring and releasing the “tangible anointing.” The prayer is answered due to the what he calls the corporate anointing. This is more like a transferable energy, since the anointing is the Holy Spirit who is God and is being used as a force. He tells us his faith is released toward us (faith is Godward not toward man), sometimes it is toward the letters or the cloths. He also states because he prayed every prayer is answered. This is not faith but at best overconfidence. Nowhere are we told in scripture that God will answer every prayer no matter how much faith one exhibits.

Government is going after them because the Church will do nothing to police its own. Word Faith prosperity teachers should be shunned as heretics. Any TV network and Radio network who airs their programs should be dealt with severely by the denominations. Those ordained ministers who help support networks that broadcast Word Faith heretical teaching should be subject to being defrocked.

Having said that, the prosperity message is popular because many Christians are greedy for material gain. It really reflects the state of Christianity in America.

Feds Need to Cage Every Crooked Evangelist Going - J. Grant Swank Jr. - Mar 14, 08

Jesus would never sanction what today’s evangelists—especially those on TV—are saying and doing. The ones who are crooked should be fined, jailed, whatever it takes to break their selfish spirits so that they can find their souls in Jesus.These televangelists in particular who are preaching that we can be wealthy by sending them our money, we can be healed of every disease because healing is in the atonement, and going after whatever hangs their chandeliers need to be strung up.

These are Publicans and sinners of the most blatant worldly wickedness. They are evil. They are not of Jesus, obviously not when reading Jesus’ teaching in the Gospels. Take His lifestyle and put it up alongside today’s evangelist frauds.

The postmodern generation is shifting into the belief that they can create their own humanistic utopia by just harnessing collective powers. Man creates His own reality. That’s “The Secret”, The “Word of Faith” movement, it is postmodern thought moving into the Emerging Church and it all originates from Eastern thought where God is everything.

Collectively mankind becomes God and all religions are paths to cosmic consciousness.

The distinctions between the children of light and the children of darkness on the earth are becoming well defined in these last days. One family on earth claims to be children of God because of what God did for them and the other family claim to be self evolving god’s.

The Great Enemy of the Church and America Is Not Secular Humanism As Once Thought But it is Pagan Spirituality - CWN

What has killed secular humanism? People are beginning to realize that, far from creating a humanistic utopia, secularism has produced two devastating world wars, a series of mounting ecological disasters, and a “disenchantment of the cosmos.” The West has begun to lose its faith, not in religion, but in human reason.Oddly, the death knell was sounded not by robust Christian witness, but by the “atheistic” postmodern children of secular humanism. The withering barrel of the postmodern laser gun has been aimed not so much at Christianity as at the ideology of Enlightenment secularism, at the belief that reason could deliver objective truth. This postmodern, relativizing of all truth has undermined the faith of modern man in his own rational abilities. This “postmodern” thinking is taught in the vast majority of philosophy departments throughout the world as “gospel truth.”

Alister McGrath asks, “What will replace atheism?” Here is my answer: atheism will be replaced by pantheism. Logos (word) will be replaced by mythos (myth). The conclusion stares us in the face. Postmodernism has brought an end to secularism. But this raises a further question: where does Postmodernism lead us? Lutheran scholar Frederic Baue answers: “[to] a phase of Western or world civilization that is innately religious [emphasis mine] but hostile to Christianity…or worse, a dominant but false church that brings all of its forces to bear against the truth of God’s Word

I knew for a long time that many “Word Faith” teachers taught a Christianized version of paganism. Now some of their leaders are actively proving it by identifing with a clearly pagan book called “The Secret”.

Save your money. The substance behind the beliefs of “The Secret” is witchcraft and doctrines of demons.

clipped from www.christianworldviewnetwork.com I received a promotion today for a new DVD out in June called, The Source of the Secret: Revelations of Faith, Joy & Gratitude. Word-faith teachers like John Bevere, Oral Roberts and several others unite to promote the “Law of Attraction” as taught in the bestselling “The Secret”. Here’s the promotion letter from the agency.

Three biblical texts that are often taken out of context by health, wealth and prosperity teachers

A TEXT TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT, IS A PRETEXT FOR PROOF-TEXT - CWN

Here are three of the most taken out of context, misplaced, misapplied, misappropriated, and misinterpreted Bible verses that we hear. All three of these verses are found in Matthew 18:18-20; all three of these verses have to do with church discipline; and all three of these verses can mean only one thing in their proper context. Let’s take a look…

Read the article about how the life of pastor Zaur contasts what Joel Osteen teaches Christians.

These are direct quotes from Joel Osteen’s book. So please don’t tell me that Joel Osteen preaches the true gospel. It is heresy.

clipped from http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/2967/ Perhaps we should send Pastor Zaur the book by Joel Osteen, Your Best Life Now. Here is what Joel writes in his book: You will produce what you’re continually seeing in your mind. If you foster an image of defeat and failure, then you’re going to live that kind of life. But if you develop an image of victory, success, health, abundance, joy, peace, and happiness, nothing on earth will be able to hold those things from you.” (page 5) “What you will receive is directly connected to how you believe.” (page 22) “We receive what we believe.” (page 72) “Learn how to conceive. Keep the image of what you want to become in front of you. You’re going to become what you believe.” (page 81)

Huckabee Stands By a Televangelist - TIME
Presidential campaigns love to put their candidates in the company of influential evangelists. And the advertisement on page 44 of the December issue of the religious magazine Charisma was probably planned with that in mind. It shows Republican hopeful Mike Huckabee, sitting at a table with Texas-based Kenneth Copeland on the Believers Voice of Victory set, next to a bowl of fruit and an open Bible. The ad invites viewers to ‘tune in as’ the two men ’sit down for six days of frank discussion on the biblical perspective of character.’ The ad quotes Huckabee: ‘Character is who we are when nobody’s looking but God.’ “

“In the meantime, Huckabee is standing by the Copelands. In an e-mail message to TIME, Huckabee maintained, “Kenneth and Gloria Copeland are about the most gracious, authentic, and humble people I know and I consider them dear friends. They have brought hope to millions and have operated with the utmost integrity as far as I know. I have found them to be as warm and genuine in their private moments as they are in their public moments.”

This is too much! All Christian leaders are going insane. Huckabee, a baptist preacher is standing by the chief guru of the name-it-and-claim-it Word of Faith heresy. Mike Huckabee says that the Copeland’s have brought hope to millions of people. I guess the hope he is talking about is “Hope Arkansas” where Huckabee came from, because the Copeland’s have brought nothing but delusion and heretical teachings to millions of people.

If Mike Huckabee does not have the Christian understanding to judge major heresy how in the world can he lead this nation? I had some problems with Mike Huckabee to start with but this latest revelation is the end of my support for him. Unbelievable! Mike Huckabee gets my Demented Delusional or Dumb Club of the week award for standing with heretics and expecting true Christians to vote for him . Congradulations Mike!

CNN.com - CNN Political Ticker Obama: GOP doesn’t own faith and values «
After speaking to an evangelical church on Sunday in this traditionally conservative South Carolina city, Sen. Barack Obama said that Republicans no longer have a firm grip on religion in political discourse. “I think its important particularly for those of us in the Democratic Party to not cede values and faith to any one party,” Obama told reporters outside the Redemption World Outreach Center where he attended services.

” I just want all of you to pray that I can be an instrument of God in the same way that Pastor Ron and all of you are instruments of God.’ He finished his brief remarks by saying, ‘We’re going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.‘”

The above link was taken down hours after it was posted by Matt Drudge but what Obama said can also be viewed at
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2007/10/07/obamamessiah-create-a-kingdom-on-earth/

Barack Obama claims that Republicans no longer have a firm grip on religion in political discourse, that is true. Most Evangelicals would say they are Christian and not religious. Religious people tend to try to get to heaven based on there own good works which is quite impossible. Christians on the other hand, get to heaven based on what God already did in His Son.

It is very telling that Barack Obama would attend a heretical “Word Church” with a name it and claim it prosperity gospel. Two people he phrases in his speech have serious problems of their own. Bishop Jakes is a heretical oneness pentecostal that denies the Trinity or at least he will not affirm it. Rick Warren is so interwoven with world psychology and power brokers that it get rather hard to sort out what gospel he is now preaching. The gospel he preaches in his church and the purpose driven seeker friendly movement that he started, is really a watered down gospel that preaches a gospel of self fulfillment for want-to-be successful baby bloomers.

Obama said that he is confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth. That view is heretical dominion theology. The Bible does not teach that the Church is going to bring a Kingdom on earth before the return of the King. Follow my links for more information on these subjects. One thing Word People, Warren and Obama all seem to have in common is the idea that religion is going to bring a paradise to this earth. This view all ties in with the Harlot of Revelation that rides the Beast Kingdom of the Antichrist into power.

The only faith these people have in God is what God is allowed to do through the works of mankind. Thus, they make God dependent on the sinful choices of sinful men. The reason they do this is that although they claim a relationship with God they deny His power. Obama does not understand or believe the scriptures or he would not be taking positions of being pro choice, pro homosexual, pro socialist and anti fundamental Christians.

All this says wonders about the apostasy and the lack of discernment of the mega church pastors like Warren and Carpenter when they allow someone with Obama’s anti Christian values to speak from their pulpit to deceive their sheep. The motivation they have for doing so is certainly not coming from God.

The great divide between true Christians and pseudo Christians is that true Christians trust in God while pseudo Christians trust in the works of man. One is a belief of faith the others is a religion of works. Obama clearly thinks he knows better than God or does not believe the Bible is the word of God. In either case he in not to be instructing the Church. Obama is clearly a globalist secular humanist who puts on the airs of Christianity for his own convenience.