Will the Antichrist be a Jew or a Gentile? – A bakers dozen different views.

On May 26, 2009 · 52 Comments

I ran across this interesting interview by Dr. Reagan.

At a Bible prophecy conference Dr. Reagan interviewed 11 well known people in bible prophecy and asked them if they believed the Antichrist will be a Jew? Along with Dr. Reagan’s own view point on this topic there are twelve viewpoints given in this article. It is always interesting to read the different answers you will get from some of the top Bible prophecy speakers on the same subject. Like I said in a recent comment, I looked at 20 websites and got twenty completely different interpretations for the seven heads on the Beast in Revelation.  lets just say that on some issues there is not a whole lot of agreement. Nonetheless, nobody seems to have a problem teaching their own interpretation as near gospel truth.

I will say this on Bible prophecy. I tend to agree on most issues with those in the old school. A lot of the new people on the block seems to be just trying to come up with a different theory to sell something . I am not saying the new kids on the block are not sincere but most of them would not even be known if they did not have some strange new theory (The twelve in this article are not new kids on the block). So the new names in Bible prophecy might take you down some new roads but you can be sure if you stay on the old roads they are well plowed and you won’t get snowed. That is not to say you should never venture on new roads but you might put on your high beams and have good thread on your tires when you do.

Will the Antichrist Be a Jew? ~ Bible Prophecy Today

Tuesday, May 26, 2009
Will the Antichrist Be a Jew?

By Dr. David R. Reagan

Will the Antichrist be a Jew or a Gentile?

Most Christian are aware of the fact that there is a lot of disagreement about the interpretation of Bible prophecy between those who have completely different viewpoints, like the arguments between those who are Premillennial and Amillennial. But, what many people are not aware of is that there are some strong points of disagreement between those that take a literal viewpoint of end-time prophecies.

Recently, I attended a major Bible Prophecy conference in the Dallas area where I had the opportunity to interview a number of Bible prophecy experts. Out of 11 Bible prophecy experts I interviewed, only 3 said they felt like the Antichrist would be a Jew or that he could possibly be one. We’ll start with one yes/no answer, one could be, and one maybe. The next seven people responded with a negative reply. The final expert I interviewed answer may surprise you. Finally, I’ll conclude with my response.

A dozen viewpoints from:

Phillip Goodman
Don Perkins
Todd Strandberg
Daymond Duck
Don McGee
Nathan Jones
Arnold Fruchtenbaum
Al Gist
Mark Hitchcock
Ed Hindson
Ray Gano
Dr. David Reagan

To make this a bakers dozen I will also throw in my own viewpoint. The Antichrist has to be from a Gentile nation because he is the Beast out of “sea” (Gentiles) vs the false prophet who comes out of the “land” (Israel). Also, because Daniel says he is the prince who confirms the covenant that comes from the people who destroyed the Temple. The people who destroyed the Temple were Gentiles. Further, because Daniel’s prophecy about the last world kingdom in context is talking about Gentile kingdoms.

There are other reasons as well, such as  Antiochus IV Epiphanes was an Antichrist type or foreshadow and was a Gentile. He set up a statue of the Gentile God “Zeus” in the Temple. The AntiChrist of the end will burn the monotheistic world Harlot of Revelation and also set up a image of the Gentile Beast in the Temple (himself). That means to me that he gets his following in the last 3 1/2 years from pantheistic new age pagans, when he as a man, claims to be the God of Gods (Zeus).

Now, if I really want to make everyone happy, I could say the Antichrist “could” have Jewish blood by his mother from the tribe of Dan and that he might be a closet Jew or might not even know that he has Jewish blood. But, for certain the Antichrist will come from a Gentile nation. In any case, the identify of the Antichrist is not going to be revealed before the Church is removed so I hope the Church does not lose too much sleep over this issue.

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 Don Koenig founded www.thepropheticyears.com website in 1999 after almost thirty years of independent study on the Bible and learning from many astute teachers within Christendom. Don created his website to write about Bible prophecy, biblical discernment and his Christian worldviews. Don wrote a free Revelation commentary ebook in 2004 named "The Revelation of Jesus Christ Through The Ages". The World and Church and Bible Prophecy section of this website was started in 2007.


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52 Responses to “Will the Antichrist be a Jew or a Gentile? – A bakers dozen different views.”

  1. GrinnyguyNo Gravatar says:

    Fascinating. I think I would find the antichrist hard to spot even if I knew his race, but it’s interesting that there are clues

  2. The antiChrist has all ready been revealed, he stood over a one week peace and security agreement of seven years or one week. This prince comes from the revived roman empire who control over 150 countries and the nation of Israel. This fourth beast controls the world through its power and economics ,the strong leg of Daniel 2-41.He is also setting up his global net work with over 50 billion pledge to him for a seat at his table of influence. His name totals to 666.He is the most influencial man in the world,his legacy was to be and still maybe bringing peace to Israel, IE the OSLO Accords witch is still in play ,land for peace. We are now in the midst of these Accords with the Obama-nation about to make desolate Jerusalem by dividing it .The reason the christians or pastors of the flock don,t see this is they think this all happens after a rapture. This has all ready happened, if the Antichrist were to Sept on to the temple mount today would you say that it could not be him still waiting for a covenant of peace of one week or seven years. What a slick way to come under the radar,a person the world has known and tested and when OBAMA fails they will draft slick willy for all his global connections and expertise.I believe these are the players of the last days, there party should be called the demonic party there is nothing Godly about it.

  3. DonNo Gravatar says:

    People who call other people the Antichrist before he is revealed are anti Christ. The reason Christians and pastors do not see what you claim is because they are not delusional. What will you slick willy diehards do for an encore?

  4. So Don; when a brother has the guts to discern the events of these last days so not to be found asleep or taken by surprise with a current theory , he is labeled delusional and anti-christen. Was my theory way off tract or were your political views offended.Sorry to say but your response sounded like James Carville wrote it, ie don,t debate the facts just attack the messenger. Maybe you missed my point? The current church leaders teach that the tribulation comes after a rapture and it is not true, read Rev:20-4-5. No where in the scriptures does it say that the church does not go through the tribulation. Yeshua points this out in MAT: :24 29-31. This will be the first resurrection at the seventh trump. What I’m trying to point out is the covenant with many has all ready happened 7yrs to the day and we are in the midst of it the OSlo accords, the abomination that makes desolate can come any time. The prince that stood over this covenant was Bill Clinton of the revived Roman Empire the strong leg of Daniels Image. Like all Liberals if he can complete this deal land for peace in the near future he will claim he has been working on it all this time through his global net-work.Scripture states that when the antichrist comes to power he has no power of his own he usurps it., I believe the turmoil the world is experiencing now with the current leader pushing us into the tribulation period in the next two years the demonic party will draft him as they long for the days of his leadership when peace and economics were the day.I do not believe there are 7 years left before the first resurrection and the stage and people to pull this off are in power ,the Clinton machine runs the current leaders administration. This sets the stage for Bill to rule the new world order.

  5. DonNo Gravatar says:

    What you think are guts and discernment are really incredibly bazaar views indicating that you have a total break from reality. There really were no facts to debate in what you said all I read was nonsense and false accusations.

    I was not even referring to your Rapture views since that subject would be getting off topic. The timing of the Rapture is not going to be settled in a comment section of a blog or anywhere else for that matter. There are websites that do nothing but discuss that topic. This is not one of them. I know for every point that you bring up that might seem to refute a pretrib Rapture at least two or more points can be brought up refuting yours. Mat 24 has nothing to do with the Rapture because the Bride of Christ was still a mystery at that point. Jesus was talking to all true Jews about the signs of the times just before the end of the age and His physical coming in glory.

    No! The covenant with many has not happened yet. The concept that it has is totally laughable. The Oslo accords were signed 15 years ago, yet you think that was the seven year covenant with the many? Have you been in a coma for over a decade? You people who think we are already in the last seven years are delusional and that should again be proven to you when the great tribulation does not happen on your two year schedule. Just like it did not happen on your year 2000 seven year schedule after the Oslo accords were signed in 1993. However, since I have heard your kind say these things for decades I already know what you will do. You will just adjust the date, make someone else the Antichrist and again say we are already in the 70th week so you can continue your accusations and your preparations to physically fight the Antichrist with his new world order.

    So if you really believe this why don’t you sell out and give all your money to the poor? I will tell you why. Because you are spending your money stocking up on arms and supplies to fight the Beast that you think will come in two years. As if that concept is found anywhere in the gospel of Christ! As if you with all your preparations will actually live through this period by your own might! On the contrary it says those who seek to save their lives during that period will lose it and those who lose it for Jesus sake will gain eternal life. Nevertheless, the faithful Church has no reason to go through this trial coming to all that live on earth. We have already obtained eternal life and like Enoch we will be taken out before the judgment on earth.

    The concept that Bill Clinton is the AntiChrist is beyond the pale! Get real! Get a life! Quit acting like you know things that you know nothing about. You spend your life misleading people and you make Bible prophecy teaching laughable to unbelievers. You are really working against getting the real message out about the soon and imminent return of Jesus. God knows if you just are a straw builder or a deceiver but I assure you that you will answer to Jesus.

    I am sorry if that sounds harsh but people like you are harming the cause of Christ with your false accusations and you open up Bible prophecy to mockery because the world looks for you loons and hold you up as prime examples in order to discredit sound bible prophecy teachers and those who believe in the soon return of Christ. If you said these things in a decent church you would be rebuked and you will be rebuked here because almost everything you said are nothing but bald faced lies.

    You know, there really are enough serious issues to discuss. Take your crap elsewhere!

  6. Doug L.No Gravatar says:

    Hi Don, I agree with a lot of what you said. Yes, we can look at Daniel 11 and see that Antiochus set up a statue of Zeus in the temple which in Daniel 11 is called the Abomination that makes desolate – which tells us what the Abomination of Desolation will be during the future Antichrist’s rule. Antiochus had a religious belief begun by his father that he was the manifestation of Zeus in the flesh. Thus Antiochus felt that he was god. This is the same concept that the Antichrist will claim, with the Abomination of Desolation statue image of himself, being incarnated by Satan, IMO. That way the world in Revelation 13:4 will be worshiping Satan of the living breathing statue without realizing it.

    btw, I believe that the Antichrist will be a Jew – from the tribe of Judah, not Dan – because the Antichrist has got to be qualified to be the messiah in the eyes of the Jews, whom he will temporarily fool.

    I also agree with you that the Antichrist will be from a genitle nation, somewhere in Europe IMO.

    Doug L.

  7. nasraniNo Gravatar says:

    And I thought Doremus was being satirical! :lol:

  8. DonNo Gravatar says:

    I confess, I am not sure what you are referring to?

  9. nasraniNo Gravatar says:

    Sorry, I had read Doremus’ peculiar theory earlier in the comments about Clinton being the Antichrist. It’s so absurd I thought it was satire.

  10. nasraniNo Gravatar says:

    It wasn’t in response to Doug L.

  11. I’m having trouble believing that he is a man since the book of Revelation says that he is Abaddon the Angel of the Bottomless Pit. If you follow his mentions in this book you end up in Rev. 17 where he is identified as the 8th king who “was” (alive as a king), “is not” (because he’s in the Bottomless Pit) and “yet is” (same reason). He WAS a man but is now an angel but still a king (rev. 9:11). When he comes up out of the Bottomless Pit does he:

    a) Get resurrected

    b) Stay disembodied as an angel, or…

    c) Possess some unfortunate soul of mankind?

    Answer: b …he stays disembodied.

    Why? Well, how, can he be born again of a mother being formed in her womb AGAIN if he has already lived and died. We can only die once (Heb. 9:27). So that leaves resurrection as a possibility but then consider this: Who is going to resurrect him? We are told that an angel falls from Heaven to let him out so we would surely have been told ALSO that he would be resurrected at that time but this was not mentioned.

    In Luke 27:52-53 we are told that the saints were resurrected shortly after the Lord’s resurrection. The next resurrection we are told about occurs in Rev. 11:7 which is the result of this very being killing the two witnesses. So that right there skips past his own reemergence from the Bottomless Pit. The next Rev. 20:6 which is called the resurrection of the just. Then there’s one more after that which occurs after the Millenium.

    My point?

    Nowhere is Abaddon’s resurrection mentioned. And yet he is thrown alive into the lake of fire. Is it possible for a human NOT to be resurrected? Well, not under normal circumstances as I’ve just pointed out, but he is not your average human – he is the Beast King (not that I’m paying homage to him in any way).

    IF he IS resurrected then HOW?????? Who does it? The Lord said He is the resurrection and the life. But why would he resurrect this being before the just/righteous? We know that his spirit was already in the world and had been released from the Bottomless Pit back in John’s time because he said the Antichrist spirit was already in the world – but was this really referring to Abaddon and his cohorts? I am not certain of this.

    please someone shed some biblical light on this.

  12. DonNo Gravatar says:

    The Bible implies that he is a man in several prophecies so he is a man. The answer may be that the man is also possessed by an reincarnating demon. Perhaps the same one that possessed one of the seven kings and Antiochus Epiphanes (the foreshadow of the Antichrist defiling the temple in Jerusalem).

    As for the resurrection of his body. apparently it will be staged or Jesus will allow it to deceive those who have no love of truth. Since he is not buried and goes directly into the second death I tend to think it is the later. This guy is going to have to be believed to be supernatural if the world is going to believe he is God.

  13. anti Christ is definitely a Jew; has to be to usurp Jesus Christ, king of the Jews; wants to be Christ but the most popular king[of war; ABBADON] -see what the spirit of Jesus told the servant to speak of & suffer in sackcloth for his revelation of the man of perdition- which also caused this one ‘of the loins of Judah’ to be redeemed & baptised to his Christ Yeshua.see@ Real Zionist News-‘the anti Christ is a Jew’ & ‘the servant of Jacob’- how he has placed his name/ number on all you trade in.
    WHEN will the power of the Holy people be shattered[Dan 12,7] time times & half time i.e.God’s timeX God’s time & X 1/2Bible time= day[24hrs]X day[24]X 1/2 week[3.5yrs]=24 X 24 X 3.5 = 2016a.d.From the time of the antiChrist’s return 31 March 2009 + 1 week[7 yrs] = Easter 2016a.d then 45 days[until 1335th] of turmoil unlike has been since man walked the earth!
    Please don’t mistake my comments as anti semetic just pro Christ…..there is still time for my family to fall to their saviour as the first will be last i.e the beast nation will be last to recognise their Messiah….Maranatha Shalom.

  14. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Sorry, but your presumptions and designer math that have no basis in any reality that fuel your date setting speculation will never happen. You can take that to the bank.

  15. Doug L.No Gravatar says:

    When speaking of the Antichrist, there are two separate individuals involved. One ancient and the other end times.

    The Antichrist “man” of the end times will be a Jew and will come out of the gentile nations. It will necessary for him to be a Jew in order for the Jews to initially and unwittingly receive him as their (Judaism’s version of the) messiah.

    The Antichrist “man” will confirm of the Mt. Sinai covenant (as required to be confirmed on a 7 year interval in the text by Deuteronomy 31:10-11). That is why it is 7 years in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 which is about “the Jews”.

    During the 7 year period, the Antichrist breaks the covenant and stops the sacrifices… which begin again because it was established by the Mt. Sinai covenant.

    At the same time, the Antichrist man is mortally wounded but recovers miraculously. It is at his recovery that the Antichrist “man” will be incarnated by the beast spirit, a demon, that ascends from the bottomless pit.

    The Beast that is in the bottomless pit, and was in the bottomless pit back in the day of John, was most likely a gentile, a nephilim of ancient times, perhaps at the time of the original tower of Babel, someone such as Nimrod, or maybe even Cain. Nephilim are the offspring of angels who left their first estate (Jude 1:6)and produced offspring by earth women or descendants of those offspring. When the Nephilim die, they become disembodied spirits – the demons.

    Thus when the Antichrist man (the 7th king of the series of 8 kings)dies, having ruled only for a short time, the beast spirit, a demon will be allowed to ascend out of the bottomless pit to incarnate him, to become that 8th king. It is possible that same demon possessed Judas at the time that Jesus chose the twelve, as Jesus stated that one of the twelve was a devil. And just like the swine that committed suicide when the legion of demons went into them, the demon that was in Judas drove him to suicide as well.

    Anyway, when the Antichrist man is incarnated by the beast spirit, thereafter, he is simply referred to as the beast.

    Thus, the Antichrist is both Jew and Gentile. So all the baker’s dozen are wrong….:). I hope they read this post.

    Doug L.

  16. DonNo Gravatar says:

    I generally agree with most of what you said. But I have some problems with parts of your theory as well.

    So that makes 14 different views from 14 different people who think they know what they are talking about and that is really one of the points for this post.

    On some issues of Bible prophecy all we really can do is speculate. But too often we teach our subjective theories if it were dogmatic truth. Then we wonder why people are so skeptical about the claims of Bible prophecy teachers when they hear dozens of conflicting views from the supposed experts.

    The faithful Church is not going to fully understanding certain things about Bible prophecy because she has no need to know them. These end time events were written to the Jews and those that will believe the witness coming from God’s anointed Jews.

    The Bride of Christ is gone by the time the Beast appears. After that the two prophets teach in Jerusalem, the 144,000 sealed Jews have their ministry, then the angels proclaim the everlasting gospel and the seven thunders will make the plan of God perfectly clear to those living on earth.

    The problem is that even after hearing the love of the truth many are still going to reject it for a strong delusion that they are equal with God or can become like God and have no need for salvation in Jesus.

    Thanks for your input.

  17. stephenNo Gravatar says:

    hey Jerry, I am not going to attack you, however Jesus is not talking to us in Matthew 24. Those elect are the 144,000 jews out of rev chapter 7. Also, the church isn’t mentioned after rev chapter 3. furthermore, the seven year tribulation is strictly on Israel for not giving the land its sabbath rests. Thats pretty clear in the book of Daniel.

  18. JerryNo Gravatar says:

    Stephen: The tribulation is not seven years its a times time and a half, that is a three and one half years 1290 days. This is in the book of Daniel also known as the time of Jacobs trouble. The seven year theory comes from the one week covenant, (Daniel 9-27). Pre-tribers have accepted the theory that they or the church will not be put through this period. Mid-tribers accepted the times time and a half and they think the rapture takes place at this time. Post tribers believe that the rapture takes place at the seventh trump right after the 144,000 elect are to greet the Lord at his return. Please read Rev.17 the church is mentioned here. Google Tim McHyde about the the rapture and end time prophecy for further insite.

  19. DonNo Gravatar says:

    I will let Stephen speak for himself but I would advise people to read Tommy Ice at http://www.pretrib.org rather than a reference from someone who thinks they are already in the first half of the final seven years and that Bill Clinton rules the world.

    I guess once someone named the Antichrist is is really hard for them to give up their delusion!

  20. stephenNo Gravatar says:

    hey jerry I appreciate the response. I must have got off track with my comment last night. so let me try again. I thought you said the antichrist had already been revealed. so I will lend you a open ear if you can explain a few scriptures to me. keep in mind I will only except the answers through Gods word not through a book written by a man. so, here are my questions. In 2 thess paul says the antichrist can not be revealed until the restrainer is removed. he also calls the restrainer He. a personal pronoun. so if the restrainer is a person I say that is the holy spirit. if we are sealed in the spirit and the spirit is removed from earth do you think we are removed also. Lets think about this. The restrainer or holy spirit is the only one keeping me from falling and giving up hope so I dont sell out and conform to this world. he does this through conviction and comfort. when He’s gone if were here then I cant survive or maintain faith at all. In fact no christian can. My point is, the bible cleary states that the antichrist cannot be revealed until the restrainer is gone. the restrainer is still here so obama cannot be identified as the antichrist. Yes hes glueless and blind but theres no way he can be identified as the man of lawlessness while were here. I hope this makes since, please keep in mind I am a simple country boy in ok without a real education so forgive my typos. nevertheless can you explain 2 thess I like to hear your view

  21. stephenNo Gravatar says:

    to Mr Don, I have never seen anything like this before. I am new to computers and the web thing. So, I must say your site is awesome. Being an okie I love fishing and you have a big lake here. Thanks for the freedom to fish it.

  22. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks Stephen,

    Hope you catch a couple of big ones.

    I am about to post a big fish on the dire EMP threat as soon as I proof read it once or twice.

  23. JerryNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks Stephen for your response;I,m going to responed to Don.,s comment first. Don is missing my point, I do not think we are in the first half of the final seven years.The Abomimation that makes Desolate comes after a seven year peace and security agreement with the nation of Israel and the fourth beast in Daniel CH 7. Google king James version of the Bible and read Daniel CH 9-27. It says in the Midst ( key word ) witch is past tenst this act happens not during this covenant A lot of Bibles use the word middle and it is not a correct transliteration of the scripture.This is where the seven year tribulation and mid-trib theory comes from.The Antichrist will be revealed at the abomination on the temple mount and recovers from a head wound after three days. He will have a blind right eye and a withered right arm.I do not believe we halve to wait for this day to know who the players are or the scriptures would not have given us so many clues about this person. My theory still holds.I could say much more on this. If your from OK Look up Lion and Lamb Ministries Monte Juda, his teachings are spot on.

  24. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Your just playing a game of semantics. Over a year ago on this tread you said we were two years from the tribulation and that you knew Bill Clinton was the Antichrist. That now puts us about six months from the 3 1/2 year tribulation. So, it does not matter if you believe were in the first half of the final week or not. You say the second half of the week is going to start within the next year.

    You say you know who the Antichrist is, but like you said yourself he will not be revealed until the Temple abomination. By the way, the Oslo accords were signed about ten years ago if my memory is correct. Your not making any sense to me.

    So what do you do for an encore when this year passes and we are still not in the great tribulation Don’t tell me, I know. You change your posting name.

    The facts of the matter is that nobody knows who the Antichrist will be because it is in Satan’s power to give it to whomever he pleases after he is cast out unto the earth.

    I thought I would let you respond to Stephen, but I really knew better with your prior comments. So for the second time I think you are now finished commenting here.

  25. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Jerry, since what you said if off topic and along the same lines as before it is not going to get posted.

    You seem to think that pre-trib Christians all believe that those claiming to be Christians but living like heathen are going to leave in the Rapture. I for one do not. The promise to be kept out of the trial for all on earth is to those identified with Philadelphia.

    There is no reason for already faithful Christians to be tried in the fires of the tribulation. We will be taken like Enoch. The trial is for unbelievers and those Christians and Jews that live in false security and harlotry.

  26. dolphNo Gravatar says:

    In response to the question, “Is the anti-christ Jewish?”, I think one has to keep in mind that during the present “Time of the Gentiles” God has primarily been dealing with the gentiles but during the approaching 7 year period, Jacob’s Trouble, Daniel’s 70th week, God will again be dealing with Israel. Since Karl Marx started writing we have seen the dramatic rise of the anti-christ movement called communism, cleverly disguised as an economic-social movement and God has slowly allowed the Jews back on the stage. Since killing Christ and conspiring to kill Paul, with a two thousand year parenthesis in between, the Jews have been used by Satan as the back bone of this anti-christ communist movement for world government. See Marx, Kerensky, Trotsky, Lenin, Hiss, Rosenburgs, ACLU, Hollywood, news media, Greenspan, Bernacke, Geithner and the Federal Reserve. So, generally speaking, in the light of recent history, and with strong bible prophesy suggesting the same, wouldn’t a Jewish anti-christ be the logical climax to this move to world government? The Jews have been in rebellion since they left Egypt. Ezekiel said they have been an abomination. Paul wrote they were made an enemy for our sake. This communist anti-christ movement has nearly brought down Christendom in a short 150 years. Has it happened because of the Church’s treatment of the Jews over the centuries? Partially, but God “has blinded the Jews” since the crucifixion and the devil has taken advantage of the God shaped vacuum in their hearts and filled it with a humanistic false gospel of world government. The book of Revelation is all about the Jews and the emerging world government. It seems a Jewish anti-christ would be a perfect foil to meet the Real Christ on His arrival.

  27. DonNo Gravatar says:

    dolph,

    You seem to forget that the Jews reject the Antichrist and that is why they flee to the mountains for the great tribulation. A third of the Jews in the land will be refined through the fire in the great tribulation.

    Perhaps the Antichrist could be a false Jew like so many atheist “Jews” that do seem to be in high places. Even some Orthodox Jews claim that these people are actually Edomites. Here is the background.

    http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/in-the-jewish-exodus-back-to-israel-the-edomites-take-our-gold-with-them.html

    I have been noticing the seemingly antisemitic tone in your comments on several posts but I have allowed them because they bring up some realities. But, after seeing you promote a heretic yourself on one post and dismissing the Christian that pointed that out to you with another promotion of the same heretic (the comment has been deleted). Any further comments by you will be monitored by me for content before they are posted.

    In other words, At this point I really am not sure of the spirit that is driving you to say some of the things you say.

  28. dolphNo Gravatar says:

    Dear Don, I can understand your concern regarding where I’m coming from. I love the Jews just as Paul reminds us to do in Romans C.11 and just as Jesus commands us to love our neighbors as ourselves and to love our enemies. My opinions regarding the Jews are purely academic, however, as one studies their history and God’s treatment of them, what the prophets and Jesus said about them, one could easily slip into the trap of being anti-semetic as millions of Europeans and the Catholic Church did over the centuries. One must love the person and hate the sin. I hate the fact that two thirds of my Chatham, N.J. high school class voted for Obama. Am I an anti-Chathamite? No, I love them. I think it’s possible to be critical of a group of people and still love them. First 1/3 of the angels rebelled, then Adam and family, then the Jews and finally the Church. But God always has His Remnant. Thank you Jesus for Your grace and mercy and I thank you, Don, for providing a platform where thinking Chistians can kick around interesting and sometimes controversial subjects. Dolph

  29. dolphNo Gravatar says:

    Don,Don’t you think the Orthodox Jews will be looking for a Jewish Messiah and accept him initially until he turns on them? As a secular Jew the anti-christ might easily have disdain for the relegious Jews of Israel and persecute them. This is all about the Jews, the real Messiah and the false messiah. It’s Jacob’s Trouble and Danial’s 70th Week. The first 69 weeks were about the Jews, so will the 70th. The Orthodox Jews will never worship a Moslem or a secular westerner. It’s so obvious, not to mention all the scripture suggesting a Jew. Of course they missed the real One, so anything could happen. But we’re talking probabilities, aren’t we? Dolph

  30. stephenNo Gravatar says:

    to servant of jacob. I have a couple of questions for you while I am waiting for Dons response.{1} Why do you hide behind the title servant of Jacob? If you declare this as Gods word You should identify yourself. (2) you said that “he will magnify himself equal to the commander of the host” who of course is Jesus Christ. Yet you magnify yourself to Gods word Himself when you said, “To ignore what the servant of jacob says on appointed day will mean your demise.” Servant of jacob is you. For all i know you could be the anti-christ then. (3) Where in the bible does it say jerusalem is Babylon? Jerusalem is the holy city.(4) why are you making references to st lukes day, Michael and all angels day? are these jewish days? They sound like catholic references, which in 1peter a reference is made to she who is bablyon and history tells us that was rome.
    Don if I am out of line I apologize. I have been looking at this for hours now and it has upset me. I would just like to know the truth.

  31. DonNo Gravatar says:

    dolph

    Of course some of them are looking for a literal Messiah and they might suspect that this Prince is the Messah. But Your basic error is thinking that anyone will worship the Antichrist in the first half of those 7 years. No one will worship the Beast until becomes supernatural at the mid-point. However, at this point the Jews flee.

    My position is the Beast comes out of the Sea which means the Gentile nations. The second Beast the false prophet come out the land or Israel. That does not mean that the Antichrist might not have some Jewish blood lines but I do not think he will be a practicing religious Jew. The type or foreshadow of the Antichrist in the OT is obviously Antiochus IV Epiphanes who did basically the same thing that the later day Antichrist will do. He was a Gentile. In fact, today you would call him a polytheist or New Ager since he thought he channeled Zeus.

    Your basic error is thinking that anyone will worship the Antichrist in the first half of those last 7 years. They are not going to worship any man. Even the world will not do that until this man becomes supernatural at the mid-point. However, at this point the Jews flee from the Antichrist. The Antichrist figure does not really exist until he is empower by demonic forces at the middle of those 7 years.

  32. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Servant of Jacob, is a mental case and he will not be posting here anymore. People that post here should read my comment policy.

    Thanks for Standing in for me Stephen. I really do not want his trash on this post discussion so his post is delete.

  33. stephenNo Gravatar says:

    Thank you, Your site is the only church I get. It is by far the best teachings I have ever received. Keep it up my brother.

  34. dolphNo Gravatar says:

    Don, having seen how the Germans adored Hitler following Germany’s “economic miricle” in the mid 30’s, how he restored Germany’s respect following the degradation of Versailles, how he restored German territory to the Reich, how he defeated the Netherlands, Belgum and France in 6 weeks, is it so hard to believe the Jews could adore a secular Jew from Sryia or western europe who put together a 7 year peace treaty just when the Middle East was about to burst into flames? This could easily happen in the first half of the Tribulation before this prince is possessed by Satan. Take another look at the History Channel and watch how the crowds went into wild frenzies over this man. Dolph

  35. DonNo Gravatar says:

    They might except a secular Edomite Jew as a possible Messiah like world figure but like I said true Jews do not except the Beast Antichrist after he becomes supernatural.

    The Bible does not even say that it is a seven year peace treaty. It is a seven year confirmation of some Covenant with the many (that was probably already is in existence). Understand that the the two witnesses will be teaching in Israel for the first 3.5 years of this period, it’s not like the Middle East is about to burst into flames when the two prophets have total control over the earth to send Judgments on the earth as often as they wish and to destroy anyone that tries to harm them in the days of their testimony.

    Is is just as likely that the Antichrist is confirming a religious covenant within the revised Roman Empire (pluralism), that is allowing peace between two world civilizations after a great religious war. He obviously even allows Temple worship. After he breaks the covenant with Israel he also burns the Gentile religious whore. So when this man is incarnated with evil he will reject anything called God and set himself up as God.

  36. dolphNo Gravatar says:

    Don,the “great religious war” you mention, could this be Daniel’s King of the North (Europe) coming down on the King of the South (Islam) after America’s been neutralized by an economic collapse or an “accidental” nuclear attack from Russia? Dolph

  37. DonNo Gravatar says:

    I think Daniel 11:40 is talking about the Antichrist in the great tribulation. We are not there yet. I think there will be other world wars before the Antichrist even arrives on the scene. In fact, his solutions to these world wars might be what makes him such a popular world figure.

  38. Don FrittsNo Gravatar says:

    Many interesting comments on this subject. My personal opinion is that the anti-christ is somehow descended from the King of the North mentioned in Daniel 11. I believe he has some Jewish lineage and maybe is somehow connected to the tribe of Dan. Never would I try to build any theology on my stated opinion. There is a book , Holy Blood , Holy Grail , the Di Vini Code
    movie copies the book although it claims the opposite. There are some who in Europe who say the Holy Grail is a bloodline and there is a blood descendant of Jesus waiting to emerge as King of Jerusalem when the time is right. Just for the record , I read the book twice and have seen the movie. Amazing how people can come up with the idea Jesus married Mary Madalene so there is a bloodline of descendants from Jesus to this day. Even more amazing is the total fabrication that Mary Madalene is the woman caught in adultery whom Jesus forgives in John , Chapter 8. The scripture never identifies the woman Jesus forgives. I try to read the scripture carefully and there are many things I ponder about . Some food for thought, Daniel 2:43 ( KING JAMES VERSION ) “and whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay , they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men,but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay” WHO is THEY , in the verse , they and themselves are plural , mingle with the seed of men , are THEY other than men , maybe demonic??? Anyone have any thoughts on this ? BLESSINGS to ALL!!!!

  39. DonNo Gravatar says:

    The conjecture from Missler and some others is the “they” will be Dominic beings like the Nephilim but who really knows

  40. Don; Google Jan,31 2011 Chris Mathews show Hardball Bill Clinton announced his presidency of the New world order , and in February on the today show Chris Mathews was interviewed about this and one of the comments was the people in Africa are calling Bill Clinton the prince of peace.Just thought you would like to know. Just Maybe Im not that far out in left field.Will he be the closer of the two state deal in Israel coming up in Sept of this year by the New World Order.

  41. DonNo Gravatar says:

    I am sure Bill Clinton would love to run the world but others in the world have other ideas. I am also sure that some in Africa call Bill Clinton the prince of peace but others right here will call him a perverted slime ball.

    If Bill Clinton became the Antichrist Hillary would kill him and after his head wound was healed Leon P would become his false prophet. :wink:

    The Antichrist will be a truly great man, none qualify at this time.

  42. Don FrittsNo Gravatar says:

    I have to agree with Don that NONE qualify at this time. Satan is evil , but no fool by human
    standards, only by God’s standards. Perhaps I misread Daniel 11 , but I think it is likely
    that Anti – Christ is somehow descended from the Selucid ( King of the North) portion of the
    Greecian Empire. I find it interesting Greece is much in the news these days. Also I believe
    Anti – Christ may have some Jewish connection to the tribe of Dan. I try to examine every
    point of view and as Mr. koenig has pointed out , there is not anyone who can put all the pieces together. Also find it interesting scripture refers to The Assyrian in Isaiah and Micah.

  43. How can you say that the church will not be around when the antichrist is revealed, when it clearly says in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 that that day will not occur until he is revealed.
    2Th 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
    2Th 2:2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
    2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

  44. DonNo Gravatar says:

    On the contrary, you do not understand the passage. Paul was hearing that some were teaching that they were already in the Day of the Lord and the Rapture had already taken place and were troubling the minds of some in Thessalonia. Heck we have Preterists still doing that today. Paul was assuring them and us that the day of the Lord had not come because the falling away had not happened yet and the man of sin is not revealed.

    If you read down to verse 6-7 it explains that the Antichrist cannot come until the restrainer is taken out of the way:

    6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

    So the Holy Spirit within the Church first must be taken out of the way before the Antichrist can even come.

  45. MargoNo Gravatar says:

    Some have commented that the Jews won’t accept the antichrist unless he’s Jewish. How could we possibly “know” this if we are all gentiles? I researched to see what the Jewish rabbis teach about their coming messiah, and found that they will accept him if he meets these 4 qualifications (according to Rabbi Shraga Simmons):

    1) He will build the 3rd temple
    2) He will gather all Jews back to Israel
    3) He will usher in an era of world peace
    4) He will unite humanity under one religion and rule over all nations

    Gee, that sounds like the antichrist! And he doesn’t even have to be Jewish!

  46. Interesting research Margo

  47. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Margo,

    I also think we have to consider that most Rabbis just think that the Messiah is to be taken allegorically and is the spirit of an age. So they won’t be looking for any man to fulfill the Messiah role at least not before he does.

    I also tend to think that Elijah will oversee the building of the Temple and Moses will demand that the Jews be allowed to return like Exodus II. Of course if they are doing there thing in the first half of the 7 years I guess the man of sin could be aiding them until the mid point where he takes over.

  48. MargoNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks Brian! I wanted to know what the Jewish people believed instead of just trying to guess about it in my gentile mind! I also found out that the rabbis teach that the coming Messiah will be 100% human, born of human parents, not divine at all. So that may explain why they will reject him when he sits in the temple and declares he is God. (And that could partly explain why they rejected Jesus, since He declared that if you’ve seen Him, you’ve seen the Father).

    They also believe he will be a charismatic, military genius and will bring about major changes in the world. So it looks like they’ll fall for him at first. But then the Bible tells us they will realize they were wrong. The rabbis say “Only God, speaking to an entire nation, could reveal a true religion.” As a nation, they will “look upon him whom they pierced and will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only son”. Thank you Lord!

  49. MargoNo Gravatar says:

    Hi Don,

    I think you’re right, it could be that the two witnesses will supervise the re-building and beckon the remaining Jews back to Israel, but the arrogant antichrist will probably claim all the credit!

    We’ll find out for sure when we watch everything unfold from up in Heaven!

    God bless you, Margo

  50. Yes, the restrainer is a he, not the church a she, he is most likely Michael the archangel.

  51. AmmarNo Gravatar says:

    concept of anti christ and its connection with jews, i need a speech to deliver in my university, plz send me, i’m not getting any info about it

  52. DonNo Gravatar says:

    Ammar,

    Part of university work is doing original research to come up with a thesis. You first need a broad understanding of Christian doctrine to understand why the nation of Israel was partly blinded by unbelief and rejected the Messiah (Christ) that God sent them.

    At the end of the Church age Israel will accept a false Messiah but he will be from Satan and he will seek to destroy Israel so that there can be no earthly fulfillment of what was promised to the descendents of Jacob. This false Messiah is commonly called the Antichrist or Son of Perdition or Beast by Christians. During this time of Jacob’s trouble where 2/3rds of the Jews will be killed, their eyes will be opened and they will call on the name of their true Messiah and then He will save them and defeat their enemies and set up their millennial kingdom. Thus the nation that rejected their Messiah in the end will be saved by the Messiah they had rejected.

    This article might help.

    http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/telling-the-truth-to-israel-in-these-last-days.html

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