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Comments on: Christians are born of the Spirit & Christian identity is deceptive https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/christians-are-born-of-the-spirit-but-christian-identity-is-deceptive.html A journal about Bible prophecy and human depravity at the end of the age Fri, 18 Jun 2021 16:09:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/christians-are-born-of-the-spirit-but-christian-identity-is-deceptive.html#comment-9369 Sat, 05 Jun 2021 10:50:50 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=221#comment-9369 In reply to Allen.

Hi Allen,

Yes, but some of what you said was Old Covenant application. Since Pentecost we have been in the New Covenant age of Grace. The only thing required to get the Holy Spirit being poured out on all flesh is to trust in the Savior who God sent to pay for all human sin. Those born of the Spirit are a new creation in Christ. None in the spiritual body of Christ can be unborn.Jesus was clear, you must be born from above to receive eternal life.

If you are born of the Spirit of God, and have obtained eternal life you cannot be unborn. God does not make mistakes, giving his Spirit with one hand, and taking it away with the other because of our body of flesh sinful performance already paid for by His Son, and that died with Christ as we also arose with Christ.

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By: Allen https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/christians-are-born-of-the-spirit-but-christian-identity-is-deceptive.html#comment-9368 Sat, 05 Jun 2021 04:52:20 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=221#comment-9368 For those who have been saved and received the spirit, I think they will be forgiven of sins if they are truly penitent. The Holy Ghost teaches us though the spirit things that are true.

I think Judas must have known the truth, but was tempted by Satan and became a Son of Perdition.

In 1 Corinthians 3:12 it says that “no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.”

What is the only unpardonable sin mentioned in the Bible? It is to sin against the Holy Ghost.

Mark 3: 28, 29 says “Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.”

If after receiving great knowledge via the Holy Ghost, or by Jesus Christ’s presence as was Judas, and then “willfully” sinning against that knowledge, one is in danger of becoming unredeemed, or damned. Judas became a Son of Perdition because of his knowledge that Jesus was the Christ, and then he rebelled against that knowledge for greed (and Satan).

Paul says in Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

In my opinion, because Judas was an Apostle of Christ and had “much” knowledge of the truth and then betrayed Jesus, he could not be redeemed.

The Savior says that that punishment is given by the level of knowledge a person has. It says in Luke 12: 47 and 48: And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and commit things worthy of stripes shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Nobody can hide from God. He can even look into our hearts. He knows our intents. In the case of Judas, it would have been better for him had he not been born than to be born and then “knowingly” betray the Christ.

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/christians-are-born-of-the-spirit-but-christian-identity-is-deceptive.html#comment-9367 Sat, 05 Jun 2021 03:55:04 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=221#comment-9367 In reply to Toby Covington.

Hi Toby,

Believers embarrassing the cause of Christ can be turned over to Satan for the untimely death of their body of flesh. The wages of sin is death, and early death of people loving their sins could also result in a lack of rewards.

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By: Toby Covington https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/christians-are-born-of-the-spirit-but-christian-identity-is-deceptive.html#comment-9366 Sat, 05 Jun 2021 02:29:52 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=221#comment-9366 So basically, you can’t sin your way out of salvation. We will all continue to sin, because our flesh and sin nature will get us sooner or later, though we do try to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh. If you are committing sin and it doesn’t bother you, then you are not saved. I don’t believe Paul ever once mentioned repent. Because we are saved by grace. But grace is not license to sin. So obviously if we are truly saved, we will not desire to sin, but rather desire to live pleasing the Lord in all we do.

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/christians-are-born-of-the-spirit-but-christian-identity-is-deceptive.html#comment-9365 Fri, 04 Jun 2021 22:11:39 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=221#comment-9365 In reply to Linda.

Hi Linda,

Arminians think you can lose your salvation but you can repent and be saved again. Those believing this better not get hit by a street car before they get saved again or they will go to hell.lir

Many of the neo Calvinists also get it wrong. Many of these think you have to persevere until the end to be saved. They take a statement the Lord made in Matthew about Israel going through the tribulation and make it apply to the Church today. Therefore, nobody with this belief can know they are saved until they find themselves dead persevering.

Then you also have Calvinists with the Lordship salvation heresy. In others words, if you do not continually show the works of a Christian in your life, you were never saved no matter what you believe or confess.

What a mess there is in Christendum! Most of the leaders cannot properly discern the scriptures. Christians need to stick with what the Bible says taken in proper context and not believe the damning theologies of the control freaks peddling bondage from the pulpit. Many of these teach salvation by faith on the one hand but then take it away with the other.

John tells us how we can know we are saved. So does Paul. Believers in God and His savior of scriptures are saved. Those that do not believe are not saved. It has always been this way.

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By: Linda https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/christians-are-born-of-the-spirit-but-christian-identity-is-deceptive.html#comment-9364 Fri, 04 Jun 2021 21:35:32 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=221#comment-9364 This was posted at a very good time for me personally. I am reading a book where the author has an Arminian view. I have always believed the Calvinist view was correct. This article gave an excellent explanation. Comparing the visible church with the invisible church. I completely get that their are wheat and tares in the visible church. The invisible church is filled with the wheat only. Thank you for reposting!

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By: Jim https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/christians-are-born-of-the-spirit-but-christian-identity-is-deceptive.html#comment-9362 Fri, 04 Jun 2021 15:21:13 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=221#comment-9362 My favorite topic of the Bible is actually not eschatology (that’s second) but the concept of salvation and the intricacies of how God accomplished it over human history.

Chuck Missler used to say that Adam (a model of Christ) loved Eve (his bride so to speak) so much that he willingly gave up immortality and ultimately his life to join her in her predicament to save her. I always found this interpretation fascinating.

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By: Carl https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/christians-are-born-of-the-spirit-but-christian-identity-is-deceptive.html#comment-9361 Fri, 04 Jun 2021 15:06:10 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=221#comment-9361 Don,

Once again you have hit the proverbial “nail on the head.” I was also raised as a Catholic. I went to Catholic primary and secondary schools and was an “altar boy” in the church. Thank goodness none of the priests in our parish were child molesters. I did have a friend in college who told me that in his teens a priest took him to the movies and made a “pass” at him. I will always remember asking questions concerning church doctrines and the priests would basically look at you funny for asking why. They are not very fond of people who question their practices. For some reason humans just can’t accept the fact that salvation is simply having faith in the Messiah and his atoning death on the cross. The natural man can not see or discern the things in the spiritual realm.

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/christians-are-born-of-the-spirit-but-christian-identity-is-deceptive.html#comment-4074 Sun, 09 Apr 2017 11:26:24 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=221#comment-4074 In reply to Marj.

Hi Marj

Thanks for your input.

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By: Marj https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/christians-are-born-of-the-spirit-but-christian-identity-is-deceptive.html#comment-4073 Sun, 09 Apr 2017 11:13:40 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=221#comment-4073 On my birthday sometime ago my friend asked me just before my birthday ended “What do you really want for your birthday” to my own surprises I said “I really want to know God for who He is”.my friend said I drink to that.So we agreed and the most amazing Peace came to my mind and heart.
I just knew that God heard my hearts desire and in the coming months I realized that this was a mayor step closer to searching the scriptures and repenting of my sins and believing that Jesus paid for my sins.I believe in Him as God the Son who came to earth to set man free from the burden of sin.Before I did no really know what sin actually was but now I do.I am amazed with His way of guiding /teaching and councilling.I did not anticipate the opposition to me as a person a new creation.I lost the people I thought were my friends who went to church.But the Lord did provide people who understood.
I have learned a lot through this article about the visible and the invisible church.I find it an amazing struggle at times.It does push me continually to find comfort in the Word/Jesus.The world is bad/lost but to find a whole different reality in the church is sometimes harder to work through.
Thank you for this article marj

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