Hi Jim,

He came into the world to die when He did to defeat sin, so it is a moot point.

I guess this is as relevant a post as I could find. My question is that since Jesus was sinless, and the wages of sin is death, then does that mean Jesus while on earth was technically “immortal” in a sense (makes sense as He is God I suppose)? If He did not choose to die when He did He would have lived millenia as a human, yes? Interesting to ponder.

Klaus,

The five brides maids not taken are not members of the Church. Your problem is that you never learned to properly discern what Jesus taught in the Olivitte Discourse. This discourse about the end times is not about the Church it is about Israel. The Church has already been taken prior to those events for Israel playing out.

Paul said all in the Church would be taken. Your playing with words claiming that some confessing to be believers are not really believers contradicts dozens of scriptures that claim and demonstrate that humans are saved by believing in God’s righteousness and in the man He sent to take away the sins of the world.

You sir, are a liar. I never said the tribulation was to have taken place already. I have consistently taught that I believed the tribulation would have played out before the end of the 2030’s. I am not even dogmatic about that.

Eternal life is defined in John 17:3- And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Eternal life is knowing God and whom he sent. Belief and knowing are two distinct and different perspectives. One is intimate knowledge the other means a basic understanding.

You were quite wrong before when you mentioned the tribulation was to take place already.

Hi J Carlson,

There is a lot we do not know.

The first resurrection has a couple of phases. Jesus rising from the dead was the first phase and those in Christ by betrothal to Him will rise in the second phase (the Rapture) when the Father says it is time to get His bride. After the tribulation events play out on earth there is the final phase of the first resurrection and the resurrection of the OT and Tribulation saints occurs.

It seems all the saints attaining the first resurrection become immortal beings and rule and reign with Christ for the thousand years to fulfill the final phase of the plan for mankind on earth. The Bride of Christ probably is just a minority subset of those risen immortal beings ruling and reigning with Christ.

The scripture does not say, and it is conjecture at best, but it could be the Bride of Christ actually dwells in the Holy City (where Jesus is now preparing a place for her to dwell in during the millennial reign – Joh 14:2-3). Of course she will have the ability to descend to the earth like do the angels to carry out her divine appointments with those on earth. On the other hand, those resurrected but are not in the Bride might primarily dwell among mortals on earth for those thousand years.

Thank you for this intriguing post, it has given me a lot to think about. Forgive me if I have mis-read what you are saying about the tribulation saints, but it seems to me that you think Rev 20:5-6 is relative to the Bride of Christ that was raptured before the tribulation? I have wondered about this myself before because of Rev 20:4

“Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.”

I can see the Bride, made up of the Church Age Saints being described in the first sentence there, but it seems to include the Tribulation Saints in the second sentence there in the group of those that will rule and reign with Christ for a thousand years.

Again, sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying in the post or in the comments, but can you help me understand what you are thinking in regards to how the Tribulation Saints fit into the equation? Thank you!

Hi Jim,

Sex is a earthly temporal thing. Everyone is the same in the resurrection. We are all transformed into the nature of Christ and the Angels in heaven. There is no male or female in the Body of Christ.