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Comments on: Perspectives on Trump and the Revelation 12 sign of Sept 23, 2017 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/perspectives-on-trump-and-the-revelation-12-sign-of-sept-23-2017.html A journal about Bible prophecy and human depravity at the end of the age Sat, 23 Sep 2017 16:37:26 +0000 hourly 1 By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/perspectives-on-trump-and-the-revelation-12-sign-of-sept-23-2017.html#comment-4862 Mon, 18 Sep 2017 22:49:07 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1381#comment-4862 In reply to eli ashkenazi.

Eli,

Christians have more knowledge about Jewish eschatology then do the Jews. That is because they rejected their Messiah and thus do not acknowledge anything revealed by Jesus.

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By: eli ashkenazi https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/perspectives-on-trump-and-the-revelation-12-sign-of-sept-23-2017.html#comment-4861 Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:47:07 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1381#comment-4861 Interesting how a group of Gentiles try to explain JEWISH eschatology.

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/perspectives-on-trump-and-the-revelation-12-sign-of-sept-23-2017.html#comment-4795 Tue, 05 Sep 2017 11:56:00 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1381#comment-4795 In reply to loops.

Hi Loops,

The book of Revelation is not all sequential. Nothing in previous chapters have to happen for this sign to appear. You might read a Revelation Commentary to understand the order of Revelation. The one I wrote is available for free on this website. The alignment on Sept 23rd is rather subjective. I have a problem with the crown among other things. Few are saying that anything has to happen on Sept 23rd anyway. Those claiming the Rapture will occur on that date are simply wrong. Those that actually believe they will go in the Rapture on Sept 23rd 2017 can send me their money since they won’t be needing it. People never put their money where their mouth is.

http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/jesus-must-return-before-2012-2019-you-say-then-hurry-send-me-a-million-bucks-to-expand-the-prophetic-years-ministry.html

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By: loops https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/perspectives-on-trump-and-the-revelation-12-sign-of-sept-23-2017.html#comment-4794 Tue, 05 Sep 2017 04:24:23 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1381#comment-4794 Revelation 12 sign is a lie. It’s Sept. 5, which leaves 18 days until this “apparent” sign comes to light.

So, it begs the question. What about Revelation 1 through 11? How can anyone possibly believe this crap? Can people honestly believe that you can cram Rev 1 to Rev 11 in just 2 and a half weeks?

Ugh. The worst part is, it’s coming from leading Christians and ministers. Truly, deceived. I listen to the book. That’s all I need.

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By: pete https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/perspectives-on-trump-and-the-revelation-12-sign-of-sept-23-2017.html#comment-4783 Fri, 01 Sep 2017 12:27:04 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1381#comment-4783 Thanks for making some sense of it all. Best written piece so far. That’s why We’ll rule with HIM although who is worthy of such a thing. With the “book of truth” now open to be followed line by line and the Rev. 12 sign, we are pointed to HIS coming shortly. Here’s a fascinating ‘signs’ site also – https://countdownreport.wordpress.com/2017/07/13/numbers/

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By: Bill https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/perspectives-on-trump-and-the-revelation-12-sign-of-sept-23-2017.html#comment-4611 Mon, 31 Jul 2017 15:05:10 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1381#comment-4611 In reply to Don Koenig.

Hi Don,

I’m glad you touched on all that responding to hoj u sure know your scripture’s it just reconfirms stuff. I heard that too that some teach that Gog and Magog happens after the thousand year reign.

Good to get it straight.

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/perspectives-on-trump-and-the-revelation-12-sign-of-sept-23-2017.html#comment-4603 Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:09:58 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1381#comment-4603 In reply to Miguel Marcelo Cuadras.

Hi Miguel,

All very interesting but I do not think the Lord would expect anyone to know all this. And if it is not understood by believers, it is a sign that no Christian should be concerned about.

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By: Miguel Marcelo Cuadras https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/perspectives-on-trump-and-the-revelation-12-sign-of-sept-23-2017.html#comment-4602 Fri, 28 Jul 2017 15:28:40 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1381#comment-4602 The sign that will appear in the sky on September 23, 2017 is NOT the GREAT SIGN of Revelation Chapter 12:1.

The content of the video “Apocalypse 12 and 13 REVEALS in the Stars” 1080p (Turn on English Subtitles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhcoap_H9mQ&feature=youtu.be is really extraordinary, wonderful and surprising, because reveals how the angel sent by God to his servant John was based on the constellations to show us a summary of the War between Good and Evil.
Now we know that this story was captured first in the stars!! And afterwards “in an illustrated book” too: Rev. 12 and Rev. 13.

Although Rev. 12 may seem to the Christians of today a lesson in history, it was not for the early Church of almost 2000 years ago, which suffered severe persecution on the part of Rome after the death of Yahshua. Nor was it for those who suffered and were killed during the papal Inquisition.

Let us begin…

With the video we can see that the tail of the Serpent (Serpens Cauda) is in a large group of stars in the Milky Way and this group of stars REPRESENTS the abyss. We also see that the Sagittarian Constellation SYMBOLIZES a king who is about to ascend from the abyss, according to Rev. 11:7 and 17:8; His name in Hebrew is Abaddon and, in Greek, Apollion, according to Rev. 9:11. And this king refers to John Paul II (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Eb0nMC3LY).

But the most important thing about this video is that the 12-star crown is made up of 2 (two) constellations: that of Coma Berenice (of Berenice’s queen) which has 3 (three) stars and that of Leon (Israel’s crown, The Tribe of Judah), which has 9 stars. Nothing says of the planet Jupiter inside the belly of the constellation Virgo. Nothing is said of the three planets, Mercury, Mars and Venus. Why? Because in both Rev. Chapter 12 and in Rev. Chapter 13 the apostle John saw images based only on CONSTELLATIONS! HE DIDN’T SEE ANY IMAGES based on PLANETS. This means that Rev. 12:5 has no relation to the planet Jupiter but to the constellation of Libra (the Scale means Justice and Judge) as is revealed in the recommended video.

So WHAT does the planet Jupiter that’s circulating so much on the net TRULY represent? SATAN is behind this.

Let’s keep going…

Once a year the sun lights up (dresses) the constellation Virgo. And every 12 years Jupiter passes through Virgo and every 83 years this planet makes a retrograde movement within the Virgo Constellation. And in all the months of September or October, it is common for the sun to appear in Virgo with the moon at its feet.
What does this mean? THAT THE ONLY STRANGE next September 21, Feast of Trumpets, IS THE ALMOST PERFECT ALIGNMENT OF THE PLANETS VENUS, MARS AND MERCURY while the PLANET JUPITER leaves the womb of Virgo. It is a novel fact, never before recorded in all of history. But it turns out that Rev. 12 does not speak of any planet, nor of a planetary alignment. And curiously all this takes place during the hundredth anniversary of the apparitions of the “Woman in the Sun”, the virgin of Fatima who “appeared” in the sky in 1917. Satan is plotting for this year, because this phenomenon of four (4) planets does not appear in Rev. 12.

Also with Google Sky there are those who speculate, using infrared, that NASA is hiding something in space: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcNQRy79IrY&vl=en. Many believe that after September 23, the Comet 67P or the planet X – Nibiru will appear under the feet of Virgo as the great red “dragon” of Revelations 12. However, we already learned in the video mentioned at the beginning that God configured The dragon of Rev 12:3 around the Constellation Draco + Constellation Serpens Caput (head of the serpent and its 10 horns) + Constellation Corona Borealis (Crown of the North, with 7 heads and 7 crowns) + Serpens Constellation Tail (Snake Tail) to describe in a perfect way the scarlet dragon of Rev. 12:3: “And there appeared another sign in heaven: behold a great scarlet dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems;”

Something more to reveal …

I was researching about the constellation “Coma Berenices” and I found that means “Berenice hair or Berenice hair”. It is located west of the constellation Leo and near the head of the constellation Virgo.
The star “Diadem” is the second brightest star in the constellation “Coma Berenices” and presumes to be the jewel in the crown of Queen Berenice. This is derived from the Greek διάδημα (dídēma) which can be translated as “band” or “fillet”.
The constellation Coma Berenices, interestingly, was not established as a constellation until the sixteenth century.
At the time of the apostle John, Coma Bernenices was considered as part of the constellation Leo.
The Greek astronomer Ptolemy considered Coma Berenices as an asterism in the constellation of Leo. It represented the plume at the end of the tail of the lion, and it was not until the sixteenth century that Berenice’s hair was promoted to a constellation in its own right.

Asterism is a set of stars that seen from Earth appear to have a special arrangement or alignment in geometric form that are easily rememberable when evoking figures.

And finally …

Let’s not expect another dragon for after 9/23/2017, because If it appears another dragon in the sky would be by Satan to attempt against the Holy Scriptures and deceive many.

The apostle John saw a GREAT red dragon (as detailed in the video above) after seeing a woman dressed in the sun with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. But WE can see the two signs, Revelation 12:1 and Rev. 12:3 using current technology for several months before September 23, 2017 thanks to the video I quoted at the beginning or using the Stellarium program (http://stellarium.org/). With this free open source planetary program for computers we can see a realistic 3D sky.

Conclusion:

The sign that will appear in the sky on September 23, 2017 is NOT the GREAT SIGN of Rev. 12:1 because no PLANETS appear in Rev. 12, nor in Rev. 13.
Satan has CHANGED the constellation of Coma Berenice (of Queen Berenice) which has 3 stars for 3 (three) planets: Mars, Mercury and Venus. So why this CHANGE? So that we will ALSO accept the planet Jupiter as a symbol of the Messiah that is to come. But who is that Messiah? …

The TRUTH is that the two astronomical SIGNS of Revelations Chapter 12 are part of a MEGA IMAGE that covers the most relevant events of all history from Genesis to Revelation, as I said at the beginning of this message: That message was first embodied in the stars!! And afterwards “in an illustrated book”: Rev. Chapters 12 and 13.

Satan can soon use the event of September 23 next to deceive many. He knows how to twist the Holy Scriptures in the eyes of the world. That’s why we say “CAUTION!” because the resurrection of John Paul II is at the gates!!..

Blessings.
Marcelo Cuadras

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/perspectives-on-trump-and-the-revelation-12-sign-of-sept-23-2017.html#comment-4586 Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:00:34 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1381#comment-4586 In reply to hoj.

Hi Hoj,

I think you are reading things into what most people are saying. Some are saying it a sign of the Rapture but most saying that believe the Rapture occurs before the judgments of Revelation even start. Most also do not claim that the Rapture has to occur on that date. They are just claiming what happens on Sept 23 is the sign of it occurring soon. I personnally think it is highly unlikely that that the Rapture will occur on a Jewish feast day. The Church is not Jewish.

I do not believe the Gog Magog war happens after the thousand year reign. The scripture clearly says nations will learn war no more after Jesus sets up his kingdom. What happens after the thousand years is not a war. It is satanic led rebellion and fire comes down from heaven and destroys them all. This is not the description of the actual War in Ezekiel 38 and 39. You can’t make these events the same just because they both use the term Gog and Magog. It is like saying all events are the same that use the term east and west.

The Rapture would not stop the 3.5 year witnesses. You appear to believe everything in Revelation should be taken sequentially. That is not always the case. In chapter ten John is given a new revelation. The chapters after that cover a span of time that end at the tribulation they do not begin at the tribulation. They are what is called parenthetical chapters.

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By: hoj https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/perspectives-on-trump-and-the-revelation-12-sign-of-sept-23-2017.html#comment-4585 Wed, 26 Jul 2017 16:45:05 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1381#comment-4585 The Revelation 12 “sign” is not in any way linked to September 23, 2017.
People have been waiting for a “rapture” or going “home” for 2000 years.

Think about it. Revelation 12 sign is 2 months away! ?? How can that be?
Clearly Christians aren’t reading their bibles carefully here.
What about the ministry of the two witnesses for 3 and a half years,
Which happens at Revelation 11? Or Revelation 6 where the heavens are moved out of place?

Is anyone not noticing that this doesn’t make sense. Date setters again.

This is the same as the Gog/Magog War, which happens AFTER the 1,000 year reign with Christ. The GOG/Magog war CANNOT happen until the year 3017 AT LEAST. It baffles me how many Christians are so deceitful these days. Read the book carefully. Read it yourself.

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