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Comments on: Putting Heaven and Hell in a more biblical perspective https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/putting-heaven-and-hell-in-biblical-perspective.html A journal about Bible prophecy and human depravity at the end of the age Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:00:36 +0000 hourly 1 By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/putting-heaven-and-hell-in-biblical-perspective.html#comment-5101 Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:00:36 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1723#comment-5101 In reply to ~David.

Hi ~David,

It is not surprising since Pope Francis is really a Marxist. The Catholic Cardinals will get him out soon. There is a large faction in the Catholic Church who claim that Francis is a false Pope. They believe the prior Pope is the only real Pope. The question now is how will they get rid of this babbling fool?

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By: ~David https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/putting-heaven-and-hell-in-biblical-perspective.html#comment-5099 Tue, 31 Oct 2017 18:05:25 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1723#comment-5099 Don,

I am sorry, but this entire article of yours is in in error as the supreme authority above all including God’s Word, Pope Francis, has recently declared that there is No Heaven, No Purgatory, and No Hell.

Eh’hem, didn’t Francis about a year ago say that even atheists go to heaven if they do good deeds ?…and even said there was no Adam and Eve, perhaps to appease the same sex marriage crowd I wonder.

Yeah right, this guy, Francis, is so into appeasement, lies, and deception that he can’t keep his facts straight.

Francis either has never read Scripture, has read Scripture but denies it, or is being led by the prince of lies, which is my guess.

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/putting-heaven-and-hell-in-biblical-perspective.html#comment-4840 Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:28:43 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1723#comment-4840 In reply to James Kraft.

Hi James,

I don’t want this to get off topic but I don’t want people to be misled either. James was not just writing to the saints in the tribulation. Read the whole book. He was writing to contemporary believers. There are much better explanations for what James said about dead faith then to dismiss what he said to just the tribes in the tribulation.

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By: Tom https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/putting-heaven-and-hell-in-biblical-perspective.html#comment-4839 Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:02:32 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1723#comment-4839 @James … there is no “like” button… just a quick reply to say Amen! Amen! Amen!

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By: James Kraft https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/putting-heaven-and-hell-in-biblical-perspective.html#comment-4837 Mon, 11 Sep 2017 18:20:28 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1723#comment-4837 It is my understanding that when Jesus died He went to paradise in the center of the earth. He told the thief on the cross he would be with Him in paradise that day. And it is my understanding that all old testament saints went to paradise when they died. But after Christ died he led captivity captive and took them from paradise to heaven. All new testament believers soul/spirit under grace go to heaven when we die. Paul said, absent from the body present with the Lord. Just based on Ephesians 4:7-10.

One other thing that really does not pertain to this, but I think many get confused on is the book of James. They make a doctrine out of something that is not true. Faith without works is dead. We know that is not true for us under grace. In fact those that believe it are not saved according to Matthew 7:21-23

Here is the problem that no one seem to read. The first verse of James says who he is writing to. The twelve tribes of Israel during the tribulation. Not the church. We are saved by faith alone without works, and if we add works we have perverted the Gospel which is all grace. Romans 11:6.

It is all grace, what Jesus did for us, not works, what we do or do not do. It can not be both. It is AMAZING GRACE.

People just will not read the bible in context and the dispensation it is written to. The tribulation saints do have to persevere unto the end and not take the mark of the beast to be saved. So the perseverance of the saints is for those in the tribulation. We are saved the Minute we trust Jesus as our savior plus nothing. Jesus paid it all and we paid 0. It is a free gift, and that is the only way we can accept it.

Those that pervert the gospel and add works, are accursed according to Paul. Galatians 1:7-9

Our churches are so full of apostasy that now most believe they will be saved if they keep the law and do good works because no one is preaching the gospel. First Corinthians 15:1-4 That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried and rose again after three days, according to the scriptures. If you believe He did it for you, you are saved and have eternal life. John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 6:37 John 6:39 John 6:40 John 3:36 First John 5:13

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By: ~David https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/putting-heaven-and-hell-in-biblical-perspective.html#comment-4836 Mon, 11 Sep 2017 17:16:12 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1723#comment-4836 Don,

I think the crux of your article is actually about the environments and logistics of Heaven and Hell themselves, not so much on why people go to Heaven or hell…though, in your first paragraph is what I’ve had an issue with for some time in talking to people.

What is the #1 thing people say and think for their reasoning on why they are going to Heaven ?

“I am a good person” they always say…this comes from ill informed Christian-Lite thinking and the secular world alike…and if I tell them, Jesus said, “None is good, no not one for all have fallen short of the glory of God”…it starts a debate or its like I’m speaking a foreign language.

Or, if I tell them, “by whose standard are you good”…they can get very upset or insulted.

I’m sure Hitler, Stalin, and Mao all thought they were good…their mothers probably loved them…and now in today’s post-modern age, everyone thinks they are good.

It seems as though humans are so caught up in their own making or own religious nonsense and what they deem as their own personal Jesus, they don’t see that it isn’t what we rationalize as humanities idea of “good”, it’s the rules that Jesus established in Grace for our Salvation.

The truth is also, some people really don’t believe Hell will be that bad as you also eluded to, like they’re going to party with Lucifer and satisfy their lustful desires as opposed to boringly playing a harp on a cloud in Heaven.

A burning garbage dump, Gehenna…where the worm dieth not…now if people had that image instead of whatever warped image they have, that might serve them better.

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/putting-heaven-and-hell-in-biblical-perspective.html#comment-4835 Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:21:56 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1723#comment-4835 In reply to Jeremy.

Hi Jeremy,

I thought I answered your first question in the article. Hell is the temporary abode of souls that are not with the Lord. The Lake of Fire is a special creation made for the Devil and His angels. All not in the Book of Life will also go there.

Nothing more is really said in the Bible so anything more is someone’s conjecture or based on extra biblical books. I think the conjecture that there will be different levels in the Lake of Fire is based on the different degrees of judgment taught in the Bible. I am not sure that is talking about anyone sent to the Lake of Fire.

Hell is somewhere in the earth. Who knows where?

“Who is death?”
Death is not a who. Death is separation of the soul from the body and from God. Who has authority over that, God does and the one that was given the authority to kill sinful people. Keys represent authority. I would think the foremost angel of death is Satan. That is why he always accusing people of sin. He wants them dead. Jesus took the keys (authority) from Satan when He rose from the dead but He is awaiting His marriage and coronation as King to start to carry the plan of redemption out in the physical realm in the universe. That also applies to those existing in Hell.

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By: Jeremy https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/putting-heaven-and-hell-in-biblical-perspective.html#comment-4834 Mon, 11 Sep 2017 13:27:16 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1723#comment-4834 Doug,

Thanks me too the way I read the passage is that Death is not an idea like seperation or just a word but a gate keeper of hell.

Some have suggested that the fallen angel named Azrael is the angel of Death but could be Apollyon/Abaddon, or maybe some one else or maybe we don’t know but it does sound as if Death is an entity that can be thrown into the lake of fire and locked up for good.

Also did Jesus steal or take from this being the keys of death and hell? I does say that Rev 1:18

I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Yeh for Jesus this puts Jesus in charge of death!!! Go Jesus

Sounds like Jesus took from the angel Death the keys to hell from off his persons. Ha Ha Ha Death wearing or holding keys to death or the gate of Hades and Jesus took them

This just shows how powerful Jesus and how awesome he is!

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By: Doug https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/putting-heaven-and-hell-in-biblical-perspective.html#comment-4833 Mon, 11 Sep 2017 13:00:34 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1723#comment-4833 Jeremy,
Your last question has always intrigued me too since “Death” is accompanied by a personal pronoun, which makes one think it is an individual, not a process.

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By: Jeremy https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/putting-heaven-and-hell-in-biblical-perspective.html#comment-4832 Mon, 11 Sep 2017 12:25:24 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=1723#comment-4832 Don,

I have 3 questions for you.

Is there a difference between Hell and Lake of Fire? (heard that hell was all same temperature and all suffer the same but Lake of Fire actually has different layers of judgement with some areas for the more worst people) (Hell like the county jail all the same cell, Lake of Fire like a real prison with some levels normal cell, but also has solarity confinedment, high security, etc. so different prison cells based on individual)

Where is Hell located? (center of earth at the core where it is hot, different parrallel dimension or phase, located in under some where in the earth like a place under a mountain in Isreal, Egyptian, etc.)

Who is death? (Is death a physical or spiritual being because to through something in the lake of fire you have to have something not just an idea right, typically we think of death as an idea and not a physical or spiritual being that can be locked away) Is death an angel if yes what is it name beside death like one of the Satan angel and does it report to Satan?

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