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Comments on: Seventh-day Adventism is not Orthodox but Trump is? https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/seventh-day-adventism-is-not-orthodox-but-trump-is.html A journal about Bible prophecy and human depravity at the end of the age Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:52:49 +0000 hourly 1 By: C. Read https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/seventh-day-adventism-is-not-orthodox-but-trump-is.html#comment-1919 Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:52:49 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=182#comment-1919 11 June 2016 / 6 Sivan 5776 / Pentecost

Hi Don,

It’s been awhile since I have visited your site. I hope this is not off topic, but I read that David Koresh was involved in the Church of Seventh Day Adventists. It was reported that he was kicked out because of bad behavior, and he eventually took over the Branch Davidian Cult in Waco, Texas. And we all know how that ended.

Irrespective of what the SDA Church teaches, I have a feeling that Vernon Howell has a special place reserved just for him.

Consider this passage from the Holy Scriptures:

Jude 1:8-13 “Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.”

Forever is never ending, so complete annihilation is obviously just a “feel good” doctrine that causes people who do not know God, or do not obey the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, to not be too worried about their final destination.

Hell IS REAL! And so is Heaven! And I truly want to persuade others to set their affections on the things above, and not on the earth, because this world is passing away, and WILL burn up one day. And only our relationship with Jesus Christ will matter in the end.

I would like to share a word of encouragement posted at my site:

This life is very hard to bear at times, but I pray that God will be with you in your journey. The “True Light,” shines the brightest in the night, and it is only through Jesus Christ that we can hold out until the end. And please remember, “the darkest hour is just before the dawn!”

You are in my prayers! Keep the faith my brothers and sisters in the LORD! God bless and keep you, always!

With the love of Christ,
C. Read

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/seventh-day-adventism-is-not-orthodox-but-trump-is.html#comment-224 Sun, 08 Nov 2015 10:47:22 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=182#comment-224 In reply to jerialice.

Hi Jerialice,

I did write on Cruz right here on this blog.
https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/2016-presidential-candidates-fiorina-rubio-and-cruz.html

Cruz’s religious beliefs drive his policy.

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By: jerialice https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/seventh-day-adventism-is-not-orthodox-but-trump-is.html#comment-223 Sun, 08 Nov 2015 06:08:37 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=182#comment-223 Have you written on Cruz yet? Since we are looking at candidates spiritual sides, I heard he and his dad are very involved in dominionism. It surely makes me wonder how their religious beliefs will affect their policy. I have to agree that we need a strong, bold leader now is we have any hope at all. I can see a Trump/Cruz ticket. There’s something about Carson I’m sensing that puts me off. More so than the other two who look to be the only other options. That’s if someone doesn’t disappear Trump or Cruz.

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/seventh-day-adventism-is-not-orthodox-but-trump-is.html#comment-209 Wed, 04 Nov 2015 01:27:51 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=182#comment-209 In reply to alf.

Hi Alf,

Thanks for the additional information.
All I know is what was said by the Adventists in defense of their orthodoxy as it was documented in the “Kingdom of the Cults”, by Dr. Walter Martin and my research on the internet. I suppose like other denominations there are differences of opinions even at the leadership level. I also suspect that what the denomination said about Ellen White in “Questions on Doctrine” was an effort to try to appease the Christian critics. I am sure that many Adventists think that she got direct private revelation from God. That is why I implied that even by Christian orthodoxy standards some individual church leaders may meet the standards and others might not.

I was not aware that the Adventists think the Bible may contain human error. That was not mentioned by Dr. Martin.

I believe that Dr. Martin once may have believed they were a cult but when he did the research himself for his book he came to the conclusion that the official position of the domination in “Questions on Doctrine” met his test of Christian orthodoxy. Therefore he did not include them as a cult but he uniquely wrote a big section about them in his classic book. Dr. Martin could have been mislead or misinformed in his own research. Also, I think he was focusing more on Salvation Theology. He probably gave them a pass on their passages on eschatology because Dr. Walter Martin was a bit confused about Eschatology himself.

There is no question that the theology of the Seventh-Day Adventists is aberrant. I can see why some even label it a cult.

My policy on links is that if it helps support what your saying in your comment, or adds light to my article, then by all means include them.

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By: alf https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/seventh-day-adventism-is-not-orthodox-but-trump-is.html#comment-208 Tue, 03 Nov 2015 23:39:24 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=182#comment-208 I have to somewhat disagree about how Adventists see White. On a personal level, most I’ve come across defend her as being a modern day prophet equal to the OT prophets. Officially, they hold the same position as can be seen by their defenses of her plagiarism and the article “Is the Bible Our Final Authority?” which can be found on the SDA Biblical Research Institute website. After inferring that the Bible may contain human error, written from man’s perspective and other issues of interpretation, the author (referring to White under the Holy Spirit’s guidance) writes:

“With the immense advantage of the gift of prophecy in modern times, Adventists are prepared for a genuinely integrated understanding of revelation, inspiration, and preservation of authority in the Word while others explore box canyons in search of understanding. But we will fall short of God’s plan unless we allow the Holy Spirit to both interpret the Word and move it into proclamation.”

Incidentally, Grace to You’s Phil Johnson has done some great work on SDA. I haven’t linked the sites here as I am unaware of you policy re that.

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By: Caitlin https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/seventh-day-adventism-is-not-orthodox-but-trump-is.html#comment-207 Tue, 03 Nov 2015 23:26:30 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=182#comment-207 Don, I have your link and the article. I will post it. I like the Grahams but I was upset that Franklin used this 7:14 verse. So many people pay attention to what he says. I believe he said he’s going to take the message to every state capitol next year so I expect another ‘run’ on how to heal our land.
Not too long ago Ann used the blood moons to make a point. I also commented on that. That didn’t turn out well for me either. lol.
I really really hope that some will check out your website. Thank you

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/seventh-day-adventism-is-not-orthodox-but-trump-is.html#comment-206 Tue, 03 Nov 2015 21:59:15 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=182#comment-206 In reply to Caitlin.

Hi Caitlin,

The best you can do for them is to go there and post a link to my article. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

2 Ch 7:14: If My people read the context there would be less presumption

Keep in mind that some people will just believe anything that their leaders tell them. The people in America that can still think for themselves today is a very small percentage and that includes Christians that went through our Public Fool System.

Some people actually think that America is Christian so that passage applies. They are confused and probably have big tent Christianity. That is true of Billy and Franklin Graham. However, America is far from being a Christian nation.

If Christians actually needed to humble themselves and pray, it would be wise for them to do that. However, talking about it and doing it are two different things. Even so, working out one’s own sanctification would not change the demonic in our nation. Only mass conversion to Christ solves spiritual problems. Anyway I explain it all in the article.

Word of Faith and TV prosperity preachers are pushing this concept just like they push The Harbinger and Blood Moons and just like they cherry pick other scriptures to make God’s word say what they want. They want others to think they are uniquely anointed and know the things of God and have a God given solution for the nation. However, they don’t.

The truth is that most people in America today will not abide by the moral teaching of Christianity. For if they did, they would not be electing the demonic to office and changing Christian cultural to a deadly antichrist culture. Some polls may lie but not all the polls lie. Many American’s have already been given over to a reprobate mind (Romans One). How does Christian fasting and prayer stop God’s judgment on those that hate Him?

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By: Caitlin https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/seventh-day-adventism-is-not-orthodox-but-trump-is.html#comment-205 Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:26:16 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=182#comment-205 Don, There is no appropriate place to put this comment yet but since you’ve written some on church doctrine I hope you accept it here.
I’m quite upset right now. Franklin Graham has used the 2 Chronicles 7:14 verse to apply to “healing our land.” (The United States of America.) Ann Graham Lotz has used it before and now Franklin is.
I commented on his post that those were instructions for Israel and couldn’t be taken out of context and applied to the church or our nation. Immediately the replies started coming in from other readers to show me I am wrong.
I know you wrote about this last year because I printed your article. I said to them “Just read it in it’s context.” then I ran and hid because I’m over my head in what else to say.

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By: Don Koenig https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/seventh-day-adventism-is-not-orthodox-but-trump-is.html#comment-197 Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:32:06 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=182#comment-197 In reply to Caitlin.

Caitlin,

The only thing I said about “Reformed” is that Trump claims to attend a church in the Reformed Church of America denomination. That is the denomination, It is not Presbyterian. Those that say they are reformed say their beliefs go back to the reformation. That however, is an oversimplification, many denominations that came out of the reformation do not identify with those calling them reformed today. Reformed today pretty much equates to believing in the five points of Calvinism. The reformed also generally believe in Covenant Theology and Amillennial Theology. I believe neither is correct. I believe in Dispensation Theology and Premillennial Theology.

If Normal Peale and Robert Schuller are any reflection of their denomination they certainly do not reflect the beliefs of the reformation or the Calvinists that now identify with Reformed Theology.

Presbyterians generally are in the reformed camp but the Church Trump claims to attend is not Presbyterian. My point was that Trump made a big thing about being a Presbyterian and then he did not even go to one. He went to a church of a heretic that taught Universalism. Now he identifies with Word of Faith leaders. They generally have Arminian Theology.

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By: Caitlin https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/seventh-day-adventism-is-not-orthodox-but-trump-is.html#comment-196 Fri, 30 Oct 2015 17:21:33 +0000 https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/?p=182#comment-196 I’m glad Don wrote this article because I wasn’t sure what 7th Day Adventists believed. My limited exposure to them was an employer/employee relationship. They weren’t nice people but judgement can’t be passed on the whole from a few. I think the same can be said about The Word of Faith people. I left that movement but I do know quite a few people whose salvation I don’t doubt who believed the hocus pocus positive thinking words have power spiel.
I do wish Trump would be more discreet because I really like him but I’m still as confused about what he believes as he seems to be. When you referred to the Reformed Churches, Don, did you mean the Reformed Presbyterian? I actually joined a local Reformed Presbyterian back in the 80’s. I didn’t know much bible then but I knew my friends there were as dedicated to the Lord Jesus as my Baptists relatives were. I only discovered later that they believed we were in the millennium reign now; they’re Calvinists, and I couldn’t take communion with them unless I was a member.
I’m still at the start. Where do the candidates stand on the issues? Who is most qualified to lead America out of the mess we’re in? (If possible.) Who has the best chance of beating the Democratic candidate? (Probably Hillary.) We still don’t know who the RNP will nominate. That’s why I think it’s so important to vote in the primaries. If your state holds them early enough to have your voice count. Texas is March 1.

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