Don- I really failed to say it well, but yes that is what I thought you were saying. As the days go by it seems less likely everything will be wrapped up and done by 2032. The events get compressed further by the day. We know there is a hard 7 years from the peace agreement. For 2032 to work that has to start in 2025. The rapture has to happen in the next 5 years for that. That actually seems pretty likely considering how fast things have been moving this year. A reset as you have spoken of could stretch this out. If India and China were to start slinging nukes at eachother that could whittle down that 200,000,000 man army. I could see the U.S. collapsing drawing those two together as well though. We shall soon see, hopefully from the air.

Hi Dawson and Jim,

Dawson you do not understand me right. I never said it will all be fulfilled by 2032. Perhaps the tribulation will not even start for a decade and then there is still seven more years. 2032 is only mentioned because it is about the year when Jesus was crucified. Perhaps this marked the end of the fourth day followed by the two thousand year two day age of grace begun at Pentecost. Keep in mind, that the last seven years for Israel occurs after the age of grace and fullness of the Gentiles comes in. That suggests the tribulation might not begin before 2032.

Jim – The tares are not going to choke out the wheat if there is a worldwide reset caused by a plague or a world war as I suggested might happen. God allows such things from time to time to purge the earth of evil so that the gospel can still be given. If the axis of evil nations were removed from the picture I can see the gospel being preached to the Muslim nations before the end. The harlot might rise in a worldwide mostly pseudo Christian ecumenical resurgence. It is the ten kings of the Antichrist that later destroys the harlot.

The fulfillment of the tribulation events are literal even if some of the things mentioned are carried out by supernatural beings.

>> “In any case about the end of the age, the taking of the Bride of Christ can happen decades sooner than the end of the 6th day.”

At which point a later date can be more plausible, as a world of tares may take a while to assemble it’s evil in accordance with prophecy.

To me, the effectiveness of the true church / saints appears in dramatic decline, and, regardless of tribulation dating or reset, I can’t see us being around much longer.

// Blessings, hang in there.

It’s tough cause I have serious doubts about a 2032 date as well as a decades longer potential 2075 date (or later who really knows). The tares would undoubtedly choke out the wheat given another 55+ years. Mankind only gets more ungodly. If you look at Don’s timetable page there is a lot of things that make sense with a 2030-2035 date. We just have to wait and watch like we are commanded to do.

Hi Jim,

The Septuagint we have is corrupted.

Dr. Johnson does not claim to know when the Rapture will occur but he does set the year 6000 as 2075 AD. He sets the date of creation as 3925 BC. I just assume that he thinks Jesus will come back to earth in 2075 because that logically would start the seventh day and the millennial reign.

I have not changed my view that the tribulation will start to play out before 2030, but if that turns out to be too soon there is Ken Johnson’s explanation to fall back on for those still believing in the 7000 year theory.

I have problems with Dr. Johnson’s teaching. If what he claims is correct, the church has not had a clue about what ancient Israel actually believed. The teaching of the Essene’s is then what ancient Israel actually believed.

Of course Johnson gets what he believes from his own spin on extra-biblical sources. For example, Jubilees and the Book of Gad among other lost books. I do not have the expertise to point out the errors and the fabrications he makes, but I think it is high time that an ancient text scholar critiqued his work because what he writes has a large following.

There is no way there is not a 7000 year plan. It just makes too much sense. So much scriptural support of it exists. Also the general consensus among astute believers that time is short has to mean something. Perhaps Christians are taken 40 years before the end. 40 years to test the unbelieving world. I’ll have to look into Ken Johnson as I do not know of him.

Some even say the Septuagint translation is correct putting the flood much earlier. Maybe God restarted the 6000 years at the flood. We have talked about that. I very much doubt the world has hundreds of years though. Man will be living in space colonies by then allowing him to escape the end time judgements on earth.

Things can change very fast. Look at America over the last 3 months. The world is about to experience serious chaos. The economic crash will usher in the end times technology of a cashless electronic system. The resulting world war and the rapture could very likely create the religious harlot. The revised roman empire logically follows next. As for Babylon….i still have no answer of how that could hapoen during the tribulation. That’s the sticking point for a 2032 date. It has to be supernatural imo if 2032 is the end.