{"id":5742,"date":"2011-07-16T22:21:09","date_gmt":"2011-07-17T03:21:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/?p=5742"},"modified":"2013-05-13T19:58:11","modified_gmt":"2013-05-14T00:58:11","slug":"sbc-and-evangelicals-seekers-shift-toward-mystical-emergent-church","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/sbc-and-evangelicals-seekers-shift-toward-mystical-emergent-church.html","title":{"rendered":"SBC and Evangelicals seekers shift toward mystical emergent church"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;Christian&#8221; leaders that appeared on the church platforms of Saddleback, Willow Creek, Crystal Cathedral and other mega churches told us that a &#8220;big shift&#8221; was coming in Christianity and it has. This shift has been from following the written word of God to following mystical beliefs. This will eventually split the Evangelicals and their largest denomination.<\/p>\n<p>The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) and other Evangelicals are slowly but surely being led by the seeker friendly gurus toward embracing the postmodern relativistic mystical concepts and leaders of the Emergent Church Movement.<\/p>\n<p>This danger is greater than the division in the ranks of the SBC some years ago when liberals had unduly influenced the SBC leadership. It then took Adrian Rogers and some other conservative leaders to save the denomination from the abyss. This time the division is more insidious because the deception is coming from once strong conservative Bible believing churches that suddenly and subtly are now shifting to conform to the views of the postmodern emergent &#8220;Christians&#8221; that believe that truth is relative and Eastern and Roman Catholic religious mysticism is knowledge that should be acquired by Evangelicals.<\/p>\n<p>You cannot argue from the scripture with postmodern people because their thoughts and feelings and human rationalizations trump any sound doctrine arguments. In other words, they are the final authority on God or at least humans are. They have in effect made man God because only man can determine what is good and evil. They have fallen into the big lie and the trap of a Devil that they do not even believe in. The concept of any Devil or Hell is not rational to the emergent church. It is just primitive and harmful folklore.<\/p>\n<p>Scripture is no longer the final authority for faith and practice to most that lead the Emergent Movement, and that is why true Christians will have to separate from them. The situation we find ourselves in within the Evangelical Movement happened before on a smaller scale in the Jesus Movement of the 70&#8217;s and it will have a similar outcome.<\/p>\n<p>The Jesus Movement was big and growing in California but some wanted esoteric mystical experiences in the services more than the teaching of sound doctrine. The Calvary Chapel Jesus movement split when Chuck Smith insisted that teaching doctrine, the written word of God, be the main focus of their services and not esoteric claims and mystical experiences. Those that disagreed with Smith split off to form the Vineyard movement that became led by John Wimber. The Vineyards are hyper Charismatic\/Pentecostal churches and much like Word of Faith churches they went off into esoteric mystical fairyland and produced, laughing, prosperity and healing circuses. TV also spread hyper-Pentecostalism to other Pentecostal denominations. I guess the umbrella name for these hyper-Pentecostals today (if there is one) is now known as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Without sound doctrine to guide them, they just get crazier all the time. On the other hand, the Calvary Chapel movement continued to teach through the Bible and most are still very solid biblical churches.<\/p>\n<p>I think there will be a separation from the emergents as well, because once they departed from the word of God, there is no common foundation to stand on. I can&#8217;t stand on someone&#8217;s feelings, or on the teachings of men who use scripture as only a tool to teach philosophies that came from subjective contemplation and feelings originating in their own mind.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately Bible believers are not going to be able to just educate or eradicate the emergents out of the evangelical movement because postmodern relativism has become firmly established; it has gone on too long. Very popular seeker-friendly gurus like Rick Warren, Bill Hybells etc, are endorsing emergent leaders. They are also joining with the NAR leaders.<\/p>\n<p>What the emergents and the NAR have in common is postmodernism, postmillennialism, Dominion Theology and mysticism. They have different views of just how the Church takes over the world for God, but emergents almost all agree that Christendom must unite and take the world for Christ. Depending on the point of view of those that bought into this Dominion Theology, that either means they will once again join with the Roman Catholics, or they will be taking over the Roman Catholic system. That is why some emergent churches have incorporated Roman Catholic type rituals and its mysticism and some even push the writings of Catholic mystics. On the other hand, the NAR disciples think their anointed elite will\u00a0usurp the Vatican and all leadership within Christendom. All will bow their knee to the anointed spiritual elite and that is how they will unite the Church and the world. They plan on doing it through signs, wonders and conquest (fat chance).<\/p>\n<p>Emergents have already taken over many of our Bible colleges and seminaries and they are now pumping out young ministers made in the emergent image. I would venture to say that most of the young pastor\/teachers coming out of Christian schools today are buying into at least some of the writings of emergent church leaders. Any small church getting a\u00a0 pastor today right out of Bible school will probably get someone who leans toward emergent teaching. I would also venture to say that any large church probably already has one or more emergent clerics or lay leaders subverting the church from within. Once solid Bible teaching churches and head pastors have shown little discernment about the Emergent Church Movement. Many seem to now care only about numbers and being relevant to a postmodern generation, or perhaps they are deceived themselves and have actually converted to the emergent philosophy.<\/p>\n<p>For example: there is the case of Dr. Ed Young who endorsed the teachings of Gary Thomas and even hired him as a leader in his mega church. Here is an excerpt about this from Apprising Ministries (links within were removed).<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Gary Thomas\u2019 main point of teaching right now, while promoting his latest book Thirsting for God: Spiritual Refreshment for the Sacred Journey, is encouraging people to read what he calls the\u00a0\u201cChristian classics.\u201d He\u2019ll tell you himself that these include, for example,\u00a0the emotionally troubled Carmelite nun Teresa of Avila\u00a0and her disciple John of the Cross. So Thomas has\u00a0clearly set aside the Protestant Reformers\u2019 assessments of these Roman Catholic mystics; but remember,\u00a0Teresa and\u00a0John\u00a0were living at the same time as were\u00a0these Reformers.\u00a0And\u00a0also keep in mind that\u00a0they were actually\u00a0active in the\u00a0Counter Reformation movement within the RCC.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, precisely in answer to mystics like these, the Protestant Reformers rightly\u00a0emphasized that\u00a0the proper way to approach Christian spirituality\u00a0was to meet God in His Word, the Bible, one of His prescribed means of grace.\u00a0However,\u00a0in order\u00a0to teach his mystic mythology Thomas has to set aside sola Scriptura along with\u00a0these apostate Roman Catholic\u00a0nuns and monks; they don\u2019t mix. You really\u00a0need to understand that this\u00a0is all vivid evidence of an egregious infection of epidemic proportions because it quite accurately represents the views of more and more younger evangelicals.<\/p>\n<p>Not only that, but\u00a0from years of using marred materials\u00a0from\u00a0teachers in the Emerging Church, this also serves to\u00a0further illustrate the awful\u00a0effects\u00a0Emergent philosophy is now having within the mainstream of the\u00a0evangelical community. Sadly,\u00a0desperate for numbers circa 2000\u00a0foolish leaders within once conservative evangelical churches would end up using their own young as spiritual guinea pigs in \u201calternative\u201d worship services and quite literally bring wolves into Young Adult and Youth ministry sheep pens. And the first thing\u00a0los lobos did was to separate them away from trust in Holy Scripture.<\/p>\n<p>Bottom line:\u00a0If Roman Catholic mysticism is now being\u00a0promoted and recommended\u00a0so openly in megachurches like 2ndBC and Saddleback Church within the SBC, then we really\u00a0have a huge problem.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong><a title=\"Houston we have a problem\" href=\"http:\/\/apprising.org\/2011\/07\/15\/houston-we-have-a-problem-at-second-baptist-church\/\" target=\"_blank\">full article<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Here is another link at Apprising Ministries that talks about <strong><a title=\"Young promoting mysticism\" href=\"http:\/\/apprising.org\/2011\/07\/14\/dr-ed-young-promoting-contemplative-spiritualitymysticism-for-his-southern-baptists\/\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. Young promoting contemplate spirituality\/mysticism<\/a><\/strong> at 2nd Baptist Houston. I merely am pointing out what is going on to you. Would anyone deny that 2nd Baptist Houston was\/is a solid Bible church? Nevertheless, the facts speak for themselves and they need to hit home. <strong>This is the kind of stuff\u00a0 that now prevails in too much of the SBC and in other Evangelical denominations.<\/strong> Just about everywhere new young emergent leaders are emerging within with their subtle subversion of biblical doctrine and their insertion of refutable mysticism. The old leaders seem to have lost some of their discernment in order to be contemporary and relevant, or perhaps they are now outvoted on their own church boards?<\/p>\n<p>It appears that some leaders in the SBC must want emergent leaders to deceive fellow Baptists or why else would they make emergent leader Erwin McManus the cover story of <em>Homelife<\/em> magazine? Here is an excerpt from an article that Brannon Howse wrote on\u00a0<em><\/em>this <em>Homelife<\/em> action.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I am sad to say that the Southern Baptist Convention is on its way back to liberal land. Some of you may remember several years ago when Dr. Adrian Rogers and others were successful at reclaiming the SBC from the liberals. Well, it looks like the time has come to clean house again.<\/p>\n<p>One of America&#8217;s Emerging Church leaders is Erwin McManus. Erwin is an author as well as pastor of a Los Angeles church called Mosaic. Erwin is featured on the front cover of the SBC magazine, HomeLife. Inside the December issue is a puff piece that pushes Erwin and his church and books as something to be admired and read. Mosaic is reported to be a member of the Southern Baptist Convention.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>If you want more information on Catholics and the emergents and how they are uniting together against premillennial Bible believers, read Dr. Oakland&#8217;s article posted on Lighthouse Trails. Here is a small excerpt. Oakland is talking here about Emergent leader Brian McLaren (internal link was removed).<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In essence, McLaren is saying if you believe the Book of Revelation and Matthew 24 are yet to take place, you are a dangerous psychological misfit and are assumed to have no compassion for the suffering, no concerns for the environment or the world in which we live, and have the potential to blow up the world with \u201cweapons of mass destruction.\u201d If McLaren was talking about big governments and political parties, that would be one thing, but he is clear\u2014he is referring to Christians who believe what the Bible says about the last days. (from <em>Faith Undone,<\/em> chapter 12, \u201cA New Reformation\u201d)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong><a title=\"evangelical and catholics reject end time bible believers\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com\/blog\/?p=665\" target=\"_blank\">Full article<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>So where are the Evangelical leaders going together? You might read about this joint worship service in Green Bay. (I wonder if Greg Laurie had a Holy Hotdog there). Here is an excerpt from a news article about Lifest ( the article has since been removed).<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Protestant devotions, a children\u2019s service and the Catholic Mass each were held separately before joint worship at 11 a.m. on the grandstand featuring Lenz; <strong>Greg Laurie<\/strong>, senior pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, Calif., and head of the international Harvest Crusades; and acclaimed worship leader Lincoln Brewster.<\/p>\n<p>During the five-day event, the diocese held special activities for festival-goers such as handing out free Holy Hotdogs, Blessed Brats and Sacred S\u2019mores, said the Rev. Daniel Schuster, diocese vocation director and a Lifest speaker.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt was very successful and created a bridge between the different (faith) communities that are here,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s the goal of Lifest, Lenz said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;Christian&#8221; leaders that appeared on the church platforms of Saddleback, Willow Creek, Crystal Cathedral and other mega churches told us that a &#8220;big shift&#8221; was coming in Christianity and it has. This shift has been from following the written word of God to following mystical beliefs. 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