{"id":887,"date":"2008-04-17T15:58:42","date_gmt":"2008-04-17T20:58:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/2008\/04\/17\/we-are-not-the-prodigal-nation-and-belief-in-the-rapture-is-not-the-problem.html"},"modified":"2026-02-11T03:40:46","modified_gmt":"2026-02-11T09:40:46","slug":"we-are-not-the-prodigal-nation-and-belief-in-the-rapture-is-not-the-problem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/we-are-not-the-prodigal-nation-and-belief-in-the-rapture-is-not-the-problem.html","title":{"rendered":"We are not the prodigal nation and belief in the Rapture is not the problem"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Dave Daubenmire obviously too often listens to people who do not know what they are talking about.<\/p>\n<p>I emailed Dave the last time he made this ridiculous assertion that the Church is sitting around doing nothing waiting for the Rapture. Obviously what I said to him did not sink in so now I will say it publicly since he makes his ridiculous assertion publicly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Most of the Church could care less about the Rapture and it certainly is not obsessed with end-time prophecy.<\/strong> As I told Dave before, almost nobody is teaching it anymore. The few churches that are, are probably the churches that are actually doing something spiritual in this nation.<\/p>\n<p>We who believe in the Rapture and the soon return of Jesus Christ are not paralyzed by Last-Days madness anymore than any other Spirit filled believers are. You insult the Holy Spirit that works through all His people. You obviously listen too much to heretical dominionists who think the world is not Christianized because the church is failing. The world is failing by rejecting the teaching of the Church. <strong>That is not the fault of the Church<\/strong>. Most of the world is pagan because it does not accept the Gospel rather than not heard it.<\/p>\n<p>Part of your problem is that you cannot discern between cultural Christians in this nation and the real Church. You act as if America was and is a Christian nation and all that the Christians have to do is get off their duff like the prodigal Son, return to God and take this nation back for Christ. The Church you imagine in America did not exist and it does not exist. The real Church in this nation has always been a minority and it has always been working for Christ.<\/p>\n<p>You expect a &#8220;Christian&#8221; people that does not exist in America to suddenly see the light and act like Christians because you rail against them? You are not living in reality.<\/p>\n<p>Dave, you have some wise things to tell Americans about what they need to do to save this nation. But, don&#8217;t confuse instructing Americans to return to Christian moral values with telling Americans that most of them are lazy Christians who need to repent from some end-time madness of looking for the Rapture. It is not happening. It is a false argument. It is counterproductive and it is stupid.<\/p>\n<p>Most Americans are pagans that need to be saved but can&#8217;t be saved. Most reject the only message that can save them because they love their sins and want to believe a lie.<\/p>\n<p>As for your &#8220;<strong>heal our land<\/strong>&#8221; statement out of Malachi. That promise in context was clearly made to physical Israel and applies to physical Israel. Last I heard we are America. There is no promise to Christians in other nations that if they humble themselves and pray that God will heal their pagan land. <strong>Try preaching that nonsense to the persecuted church in China<\/strong>. The promise of restoration is to the land of Israel. You like many just like to take promises to Israel out of context and make them yours but then your promises just become presumptions. America is not the promised land.<\/p>\n<p>Dave, Get a grip!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20240926013738\/https:\/\/newswithviews.com\/Daubenmire\/dave111.htm\">Dave Daubenmire &#8212; The Prodigal Nation<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What type of leadership burns our food?<\/p>\n<p>The American Church is paralyzed by what Gary DeMar calls \u201cLast-Days Madness.\u201d In a nutshell, the modern American Church has become so obsessed with End-Time prophecy that Christians have ceased to be the \u201csalt and light\u201d that Christ has commanded us to be. Convinced that things are \u201conly going to get worse\u201d Christians have neglected Jesus\u2019 mandate to \u201cOccupy until I return and have instead turned the gates of authority over to the enemies of the cross.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWorse is better!\u201d I heard one Christian-radio pundit say. \u201cAs things get worse that means the return of the Lord is near.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>What hogwash! Is the Lord glorified by the multiplication of evil? \u201cThy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth\u2026\u201d Did Jesus pray against His own will?<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t want to turn this into a theological discussion and get us all wrapped in the minutia of fig trees and famines. For the Lord\u2019s sake, man, STAND UP AND FIGHT!<\/p>\n<p>I have often wondered what America would look like if the Church believed in revival as much as it believed in the rapture.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dave Daubenmire obviously too often listens to people who do not know what they are talking about. I emailed Dave the last time he made this ridiculous assertion that the Church is sitting around doing nothing waiting for the Rapture. Obviously what I said to him did not sink in so now I will say [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[46,38,88,14,334,45],"tags":[9,135,352,320,6,99,344,349],"class_list":["post-887","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-aberrantheretical-teaching","category-bible-prophecy-teachers","category-discernment","category-dominionism","category-israel-jerusalam","category-the-church","tag-china","tag-dave-daubenmire","tag-discernment","tag-dominion-theology","tag-israel","tag-pagan","tag-rapture","tag-replacement-theology"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/pawsE-ej","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/887","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=887"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/887\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6865,"href":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/887\/revisions\/6865"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=887"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=887"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thepropheticyears.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=887"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}