The case for the Muslim…errrr…I mean…the Mormon Antichrist

Some that are claiming to understand Bible prophecy are making a living selling books, creating websites, and doing the talk circuits with conjecture that the Antichrist will be a Muslim. This kind of speculation is nothing new. The Antichrist in the past was said to be the Pope or at least the Papal system, and in the day of World War II Hitler represented the Antichrist to some. Toward the end of the 20th century there were full-page ads in the newspapers and ads on TV informing us the lord Maitreya was coming. Some Christians were pretty certain that he would be the Antichrist.

Today with the rising threat of Islam, the increasingly popular place for the Antichrist to arise is from Islam in the role of the Shiite Mahdi or 12th Imam. Since the time of the early persecutions, Christians that believed in a literal Antichrist figure have just loved to make contemporary antichrists fit the Antichrist figure of 2Th 2:8 and the Beast in the book of Revelation.

In recent times books have been written on subjective interpretations of scripture and sheer conjecture to prove that the Shiite Mahdi will be the Antichrist. Give Christendom an enemy and some Christians certainly will find the Antichrist figure lurking behind the scenes in the shadows.

I think on posts and comments on this Blog we did a reasonable job debunking the Muslim Antichrist theory, but the theory will certainly remain until Islam collapses under its own folly of hate. It is not the intent of this post to get into that Muslim Antichrist argument again. Two of the top ten viewed posts on this Blog already address the Muslim Antichrist issues. They are  number 3 and number 9 on the most viewed posts on the Blog sidebar. They have had almost 20,000 views and there are over 250 comments to read.  There are also many links within these two posts that give additional information debunking the Islamic Antichrist theory.

Therefore, since the Islam Antichrist theory will not fly here, I think we might want to consider that the Antichrist will be of some other religion. With the possibility of there being a Mormon leader of the “free world” real soon, perhaps it is time to talk about the possibility of a Mormon Antichrist. I think I can build a reasonable case for there being a Mormon Antichrist in a thousand words or less and you won’t even have to pay a cent to read it.

The Mormon Antichrist

by Don Koenig

We know from scripture that the Antichrist enters the Jewish Temple and claims to be God and wants to be worshiped as God. Mormons believe that they are in the process of becoming gods and believe that they will become gods of their own planet when they reach a certain level of perfection. Therefore, at some point it only stands to reason that some Mormon will think that he has achieved godhood. (If your a Mormon and have become leader of the world, what is left other than declaring your godhood?)

Mormons believe they are descendents of  Israel and are of the Melchizedek Priesthood. I can see where a Mormon world leader could desire to enter the Jewish temple as a Mormon high priest so he could announce to himself and everyone else that he has become God.

In Mormonism their latest religious leader is also an infallible prophet. So Mormons also have the platform for the end time False Prophet to arise and demand worship of their brand new God.

Revelation indicates that this False Prophet will have two horns like a lamb but speak as a dragon. The lamb is a symbol for Christianity. Mormons claim to be Christians but their doctrine is that of a dragon, it is Satanic. Can the two horns of authority be Mormonism and Masonry? We know they are close cousins.

Mormons support Israel and they have no problem with a third temple being rebuilt in Jerusalem. They just think the final temple will be built in Missouri and that America is the promised land from which Mormons will rule the world.

In Mormon eschatology the American Constitution is hanging by a thread until a Mormon leaders arises and rides in on a white horse to restore America and the Constitution. Then the rider will end the conflicts and convert and bring peace to the world.  The world will then be ruled by a Mormon theocracy where wealth is given to the Mormon Church and the church distribute everything as they see fit. They intend to have a socialistic theocracy utopia. Mormons believe the American Constitution is a sacred document.

The Constitution of America today is indeed hanging by a thread and a Mormon leader is now the top Republican contender for President.

I believe scripture teaches that the Antichrist first comes out of a revived Roman Empire but there really is no reason to think that a Mormon could not come out of that area. The U.N. itself can be moved to Rome and anyone from anywhere could become the world leader. Later, after the world leader enters the Temple and declares himself God, he moves his headquarters to Babylon but Christian people like to inform me all the time that Mystery Babylon of Revelation is really the United States.

I have always suggested that the Antichrist will appeal to New Age types and eastern religion pagans. There is not much difference between New Age beliefs, eastern religions  and Mormonism, all believe that they are evolving spirit beings. Revelation 17 says that the ten kings that give their power to the Beast will hate the woman that rides the Beast and burn her with fire (the woman is the ecumenical pseudo Christian world Church).

Will Mormons and other New Age and eastern pagans form a counter revolution and unite in hate against the world harlot of Revelation 17 and burn her with fire as scripture says (Rev 17:16)? If it is not the pagans that burn the harlot, than who does it?

Many people already believe that the Illuminati of Masonry controls the world. Mormons came out of Masonry and many of their secret rituals and handshakes reflect that. Even the underwear Mormons wear for protection contains masonic symbols. Mormons and Masons have a very powerful influence in Washington DC. The layout of Washington DC itself was founded on Masonry and 14 of our Presidents have been Master Masons. Many powerful people in our government are Masons or Mormons or are linked to some other occult pagan based secret society.

Mormons have been favored for a long time by American top-secret agencies. Remember the clean-cut trusted Secret Service agent in the “24 Hours Series”? He obviously was type-cast because he looked like a Mormon. The unusually high proportion of Mormons in these positions is no secret to the astute.

The Mormon Church believes that they will soon administrate a socialistic theocracy over the whole world. They do not believe that the Antichrist is a future figure, anyone that opposes their doctrine is antichrist to them.

The Christ in Mormonism is anti the true Christ. Their Christ is a counterfeit substitute for the real Jesus Christ of the Bible. I outline the Antichrist Mormon doctrine in my article on the Mormon cult.

The Mormon Church denies that Christianity is really Christian. They claim to be the only true Christians and they also claim to be descendents of Israel. They have now even convinced many gullible Christians and Christian leaders that they are actually Christians. However, Mormon doctrine is anti the true Jesus Christ and a great demonic deception. Not only are Mormons antichrist they say all denominations in Christianity are in apostasy. Therefore, in their eyes orthodox Christians are antichrist. Even so, they then want what they claim is a whore,  to consider Mormons to be part of that whore??? 😆

My thousand words to conjecture that the Antichrist will be a New Age Mormon much like Glenn Beck or Mitt Romney is about up. I am sure you can come up with other reasons why the Antichrist will be a Mormon.

It only makes sense. Who would the people of the world rather have taking over the world? A clean-cut Beck or Romney type, or one of those rag heads of the Middle East?  The answer is obvious, so you might even write a book on the Mormon Antichrist and make yourself some money before the Muslim conjecture falls out of favor and others beat you to it.  Just send me ten percent of your royalties when you use my creative conjectures in your book.

Now if you’re going to ask me if I am serious, I am going to plead the 5th amendment until the next administration takes away what still remains of our Bill of  Rights…errrr… unless someone comes riding in on a white horse to save it.

 

 

 

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113 thoughts on “The case for the Muslim…errrr…I mean…the Mormon Antichrist

  1. Agreed something that flies in the face of Christianity and Judism like Islam doesn’t add up, but you add in a cute little lamb that roars like a Dragon and you just may have a case for a new addition to the world wide petting zoo.
    Good thoughts Don and again we as Bible based, Jesus following believers we need to be ever more vigliant against these ear tickling viral varients. We are disgracefully such a consumer based society and our view of the Church and Christianity has just as strong a consumer mentality. “Serve me, Servie my kids, preach softly as we driftly sleepily into Hell”

    Good wake up call!!

  2. Hi Don,

    Okay, let’s carry this scenario one step further. At some future time our Mormon leader is assassinated. A wound to the head, perhaps? Then miraculously he is resurrected. Now, according to their theology, he really has become a god and he’s entitled to enter the temple and declare himself as one, right?

    I like where this might lead. We have the makings here of a good end time novel! 🙂

  3. Hello Don and others;

    Fascinating idea. I agree, the “anti-christ” talked about would have to be someone that is appealing to the world at large. Given the mormon support for Israel, would the muslim’s go along with such a world leader? Unless of course the muslim world indeed has collapsed on itself, then I suppose it would not really matter. This would be problematic though. Isnt the “anti-christ” suppose to come from one of the nations of the old Roman empire?

    Rod in Oregon

  4. Rod,

    I mentioned how He could come out of the area of the old Roman Empire in the post. Actually there are at least two ways. There are Mormons in Europe and the UN could be lead by a Mormon and it could be moved to Rome.

  5. Don,

    Are there similarities between islamic and mormon belief? It seems to me that if there are enough similarities, that might allow for the muslim world to be ok throwing in with a mormon anti-christ.

    Rod in Oregon

  6. Ah, thanks Don… Your post did mention that. So on the anti-christ similarity score card, the points are adding up… LOL

    Rod

  7. Rod,

    I do not see Islam leaguing with Mormonism. What I see is what is left of Islam joining the world Harlot either by western conquest or as a compromise for the sake of world peace. The last two pseudo Christian Popes were very ecumenical even kissing the Qur’an and saying we worship the same God. Which is a lie.

  8. The Morman anti-Christ is starting to look highly possible. As Rod says….”the points are adding up.”

    The more I think about it, the more it seems possible – especially with Osteen’s pronouncements.

  9. Someone want to make up a scorecard? 🙂 Thanks Don, that makes sense. The satanic blending of faiths appears to be taking place.

    Rod

  10. Rod,

    Notice that I already added in the post that I want ten percent of the royalties on any book based on what I said 😎

  11. There is no doubt that Islam and Mormonism have similarities in their “dominate the world” ideology, however, the Mormons believe that they are already accomplishing that and making the world a Utopia NOW and they, at this point anyway, are non-violent.

    I know this because I lived among them.

    Well, there is no doubt, they certainly know how to build extravagant temples. Anyone driving through Utah can see that.

    Don, if this were to play out as you mildly suggest, I can’t help but wonder if that Mormon anti-Christ would wear a dark suit, travel in three’s, and have a nice name tag 🙂

  12. Would the mormon antichrist also ride a ten speed bike? Just a thought… The mormons indeed verbalize a “we love peace” mantra… But when they are in power… The picture changes drastically. And Don… I agree with Doug.. I would hold out for 15% given the creative contributino to the book.

    I don’t suppose the Jehovah Witnesses will go along with the mormons…

  13. Hmm.. I was doing a little reading… The AntiChrist must be acceptable to Israel… The Mormons believe they are descendants of the tribe of Dan… So… That would certainly be a needed piece of the puzzle. I think the boxes continue getting checked off… Don.. I hope your secure in an undisclosed location if Mitt becomes Prez… 😉 You might really be on to something here.

  14. Rod In Oregon,

    That reminds me of a joke…

    Q- Why don’t Jehovah Witnesses & Mormons like Halloween ?

    A- Because they don’t like strange people knocking on their door !

  15. LOL.. Doug… After that joke, you better hope the mormons arent correct… Or one of them will become a god, and banish you to planet Pluto for all eternity… LOL… Wear a warm coat!

  16. Rod Doug

    If someone wants to give me 15 percent I will not turn them down.

    The J.W’s will go along if they can fly with Michael (not Jackson)

    I think the days of riding 10 speed bikes for people like Mitt and Glenn are long gone. And all that reminds me of a fitting Barney Franks song for his new wife.

    Leaving On A Jet Plane
    All my bags are packed
    I’m ready to go
    I’m standin’ here outside your door
    I hate to wake you up to say goodbye
    But the dawn is breakin’
    It’s early morn
    The taxi’s waitin’
    He’s blowin’ his horn
    Already I’m so lonesome
    I could die

    So kiss me and smile for me
    Tell me that you’ll wait for me
    Hold me like you’ll never let me go
    ¡®cause I’m leavin’ on a jet plane
    Don’t know when I’ll be back again
    Oh babe, I hate to go

    There’s so many times I’ve let you down
    So many times I’ve played around
    I tell you now, they don’t mean a thing
    Ev’ry place I go, I’ll think of you
    Ev’ry song I sing, I’ll sing for you
    When I come back, I’ll bring your wedding ring

    So kiss me and smile for me
    Tell me that you’ll wait for me
    Hold me like you’ll never let me go
    ¡®cause I’m leavin’ on a jet plane
    Don’t know when I’ll be back again
    Oh babe, I hate to go

    Now the time has come to leave you
    One more time
    Let me kiss you
    Then close your eyes
    I’ll be on my way
    Dream about the days to come
    When I won’t have to leave alone
    About the times, I won’t have to say

    Oh, kiss me and smile for me
    Tell me that you’ll wait for me
    Hold me like you’ll never let me go
    ¡®cause I’m leavin’ on a jet plane
    Don’t know when I’ll be back again
    Oh babe, I hate to go

    But, I’m leavin’ on a jet plane
    Don’t know when I’ll be back again
    Oh babe, I hate to go

  17. Rod,

    On a serious note following my joke.

    I do not hope any of these apostates are correct or not. I don’t need to.

    I know absolutely that there is but ONE God and his name is Jesus Christ and he is the God of The Bible…NONE of these apostate religions have any validity or function other than to confuse “The Truth”.

  18. LOL… David… Awesome link! So let me get this straight… To the mormons, Jesus is the half brother of satan… To the Jw’s, Jesus was really Michael the Archangel… To Islam, Jesus was just another prophet… To the Hindus, Jesus is simply a rerun… Right?

  19. Don,

    Evidence is showing that El Maudey was a Golden Girl and could it be that the gold was from Joseph Smith’s plate tablets ?

  20. Golden tablets that nobody has ever seen besides… Well.. Joseph Smith… Of course…

  21. “Will Mormons and other New Age and eastern pagans unite in hate against this harlot and burn her with fire as the scripture says (Rev 17:16)?”

    I think it more likely these types will be one with the whore. Satan will want all focus to be on an individual proxy and a multitude of emerging gods might make that difficult.

    Anti-Christ seems more of a political figure and as such will control the military with their ‘flame throwers’, napalm etc.

  22. Hmm… A problem with Don’s mormon antichrist theory… I think there is a reference in Daniel that the antichrist will not desire women… Well… That would make it rough for a polygamist mormon to go along with.. Since more wives to go along with the planet is a plus. What do you think Don?

  23. Brian,

    The Beast claims to be God for the last 42 months that hardly makes him a political figure at that point. And the False Prophet demands that he be worshiped as God. If he is thought to be God he is going to have a following so who are they?

    I think most in the monotheistic religions are going to understand at that point and that is why people that nobody can ever number get saved in the Great Tribulation. The Harlot does not accept the Antichrist as God and that is why she is burned with fire.

    I don’t see Mormons, New Age or Eastern religious ever excepting the one God of Creation. They are polytheistic. That is why they they blaspheme the God of heaven after even being told the truth by the two prophets, the 144,000 and the Angel that gives the everlasting gospel. They think man is a spiritual creature and as much God as the God of Heaven.

  24. Rod,

    People that say the Antichrist will not desire women are reading into scripture it does not say that at all.

    Here is the passage.

    Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

    The passage implies that he will not regard the god of women. In the OT that was the Queen of Heaven also known by several other names.

  25. Don,

    You said…
    “I don’t see Mormons, New Age or Eastern religious ever excepting the one God of Creation. They are polytheistic.”

    So, by that, in conjecture, would it seem most probable that the Mormons at that time will stick to their nonsense beliefs ?
    Wow, that sure would make them one extremely hard headed people as at that time, it will so obvious that their paradise on earth ain’t gonna happen and that they are fundamentally wrong.

    Hmm,
    I never thought about this before…

    Dan 1:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, NOR THE DESIRE OF WOMEN, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

    I can only assume that the homosexual community uses this passage to validate themselves. I don’t know that for sure, just a guess.

  26. All good points Don.

    The two in your second paragraph especially. I have never agreed with those who say those who reject Christ in this age will not have another chance.

    The Anti-Christ will have to be an emerged god lording it over the emerging; one big happy family of gods and godlings. (I don’t know how to insert smiley faces)

    Burning with fire on such a massive scale would have to involve a military force; SS troops or the like.

  27. I have read somewhere the ‘desire of women’ refers to Messiah, whom all Jewish women ‘desired’ to mother. Questionable?

  28. I didn’t word my second last comment well. Those who have died without Christ do not have a second chance, but in the rapture/tribulation generation I agree they do.

  29. -David,

    Read the context of Dan 11:37 the verse is talking Gods the person regards not his sex preference. I also do not know why you would think that they are not going into a New age utopia. They are having a party after the two prophets are killed.

  30. Rod,

    In ancient Israel, every woman desired to be the mother of the Messiah. That, I believe, is what this means. The desire of women was Jesus the Messiah.

  31. Don,

    I know that and you know that on both accounts.

    I was looking at the nonsensical beliefs from the apostate erroneous perspective possibilities.

  32. Ah… I learned something new! Thank you! So. Another check in the possible mormon antichrist list… The evidence is mounting to a distinct possibility! I think Don has a best seller on his hands.

    🙂

  33. The world is definitly turning toward building the bridges and it would make sense for as one sees the worlds of Islam and Judism collide into a horrible war that a sense of common ground and a blending of faiths would take place. Let’s build on the simularities that will bring preace because the differences just lead to war and bloodshed. To have any solid and absoute truths regarding ones faith would just bring judgement on us as intolerants and anit-peace. We would become radicals, extremeists even terrorists to peace.
    I can see the coming wars as removing radical Islam as a major religious force.

    I see movements like this http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/ as a laying of the ground work for such a world wide faith. A forum of socially consicous faith based people of action for the betterment of the world. Sounds so cuddily, but not so for committed believers.

    Then there is this http://trifaith.org/

    Don / Brain…
    I’m a little confused as to your comments regarding the Harlot and the Anti-Christ. She is the Harlot of the World by which countries and rulers have joined with her in her sins and she is the cause for the death of many prophets and believers and it is the Anti-Christ that over throws her as He would not want any competition for the Title? Am I hearing you correctly??
    :S

    I can see that a “Global Faith” would be quite the money tree and we have already seen how readily the world is to join hands. A Satan processed “risen” Mormon who has had also risen to the top rank could indeed play the game and bring into effect “new revelations” that would set the stage.

    hmmm interesting.

    It just motivates me as a Christian to continue to focus on being and teaching others to be a people of mature faith and that we can no simply no afford to play church and put so much time and energy into “Milk Buffet” Sundays.

  34. David little,

    We are talking about this scripture

    Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
    2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

    The scriptures do not say why the 10 kings hated the whore and burn her with fire. However, I think it is because she was reigning over the world forcing her one world religion on all people including atheists, agnostics and polytheists and they hated her for it and thus we have a counter revolution to the previous one world religion revolution. It also could be that she will not accept the Antichrist or even both reasons. Possibly she came to believe the message of the two prophets and the 144,000.

  35. Thanks Don,

    I can see that the Harlot is the cause of the death of the prophets and saints.
    I can see “her” as a combined representation of every false Gospel that has gained a global presences and is centrally located on 7 Hills. (I never saw “her” as a purely Roman Catholic representation. Politically it seems the Pope will build bridges with any relgion)
    I can see that these 10 kings hate her as when it comes down to it most of the world doesn’t want any religion telling them how to live and perhaps it is under the direction of the Anti-Christ.. again,remove the competition?

    I can’t see that “she” came to believe the message, even though in “her” some still believe or came to believe.. Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, that you may not participate in her sins and that you may not receive of her plagues; (NASB)
    For as it says later that “She” still is the Harlot and falls under the Judgment of God through these 10 Kings. Re 18:20 “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, because God has pronounced judgment for you against her.” (NASB)

    This is my thought. I would suggest that “she” is burned under the direction of the Anti-Christ as the City falls it becomes the home for Demons…etc. Re 18:2 And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! And she has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird. (NASB)

    Satan doesn’t want any competition even the false ones he has created. It is like a typical setup.. you get a patsy to the take the fall and then you tie up the lose ends by getting rid of the patsy.

  36. David Little,

    This is getting a bit off topic. I think some of what you are doing here is mixing Mystery Babylon (world harlot religion) with Babylon the Great (the world system under Satan’s administration). I explain that in detail in my Revelation commentary in chapters 17 and 18. You can get to it from the top bar. Keep in mind that the woman that rides in the Beast is not the Beast. The Beast world system is also called Babylon the Great by God.

  37. So I guess I’m a bit confused, but your last paragraph also leaves us guessing as intended, presume. Also, there’s discussion about the anti-christ as well as America, so there’s plenty of open room to conjecture and comment.

    Mormon’s respect the American constitution. I respect the American consitution. Unfortunately, the government of the USA (all branches and arms and outreaches, with the possible exception of the military) disrespects the American constitution – obviously because the American constitution limits the power of the government of the USA. I can see the government of the USA being characterized as a beast, since it has huge disdain for the American constitution that guarantees rights to individuals, such as freedom and liberty and the right to bear arms (intended as a last resort to limit the power of the government).

    However, the constitution of America authorizes the government of the USA (and how it’s organized into the three branches et al) to exist (emphasis on “to exist”). So, if the government of the USA, with it’s disdain for the American constitution, thinks it can simply ignore and throw away the American constitution, then the only recourse is for the states to take matters into their own hands. Furthermore, if the states fail to take matters into their own hands, the people of America must do that.

    Obama is a not a native born American citizen. It’s quite possible that Obama is not even a US citizen in the first place. His birth certificate is a forgery. He is a willful law breaker by every definition. And the government, particularly the DOJ, as being directed by Obama, is practicing every form of [subtle] law breaking and anti-American-constituion actions at every turn. They have decided to make the American constitution their enemy. Mind you, with the consent of a majority of the people.

    Problem is, all we have now is lawlessness (we can go back to Bill Clinton lying under oath and getting away with it with the consent of the DEMs in the US Senate — talk about lawlessness and disrespect for justice, thereby making it clear that the DOJ is a sham). Lawlessness is pretty much standard operation for the American government, and the only respect for law and order is only occuring by the people who respect the American constitution.

    With all that said (whew), I’m not sure if a “rider on a white [American] horse” can save the day for America, let alone the world. I don’t want to say it’s too late, but I may say it’s too soon.

    Not that I have a point (although I’ve probably made a few points).

    — I will say, when Bill Clinton lied under oath and got away with it, with the consent of the US Senate, that was very clear to me that the government has zero respect for the constitution. That is probably not the beginning of the end of America, but it surely put the destruction of the country into overdrive. I wonder how much longer the military will put up with all these DOMESTIC ENEMIES of the American constitution?

  38. Has anybody ever read Arthur Conan Doyle’s “A Study in Scarlet”
    Of course the book is fiction, yet Doyle’s description of the Mormon cult must be right on and completely based on know facts. Conan was alive near its inception and must have researched the cult at great extent. The second half of the book “The Country of Saints” begins with Brigham Young’s caravan across the Great Salt Plain. Its amazing the ruthless and heartless similarities between this cult and Islam. You get a clear sense of this… as part two of the book begins. When the avenger Jefferson Hope recounts the tale.

    When Conan Doyle was asked about his depiction of the Latter-day Saints’ organization as being ripe with kidnapping, murder and enslavement, he said: “all I said about the Band and the murders is historical so I cannot withdraw that” In 1834, Joseph Smith created a militia known as the “Armies of Israel” to protect his community; this group was called the Danites. The bodyguards of Joseph Smith, Jr., the “whistling and whittling brigades”, and Brigham Young’s so-called “Destroying Angels” or “Avenging Angels.” The Danites operated as a vigilante group.

  39. Hi Don and All:

    This is a most interesting topic and possibility. I remember seeing a documentary video about the Mormon Cult and it spoke of the Avening of blood, which was supposed to be someone within the mormon community that would kill any mormon that was trying to leave the organization. I guess their idea was that if someone were trying to leave Mormonism, the only way they would not lose their “salvation” was if the Avenger of blood killed them first, then suppposedly they were spared from losing their salvation, they just lost their earthly life…what a trade off. Also, I believe that from studying the cults of the JW’s, Mormonism, and Seventh Day Adventists…they all took from each other’s doctrines adding here and subtracting their, making their own brand of religion. Anyway, this whole topic is really interesting and will definately have me doing more research and reading regarding this group, as well as keeping my eye on Romney. Great post Don!

  40. Craig,

    Your really getting off the post topic. The post is not about America or even about America becoming post constitutional and nobody here is suggesting that America is the Beast of Revelation. This post is about the case for a Mormon Antichrist.

  41. Hi Don,

    Thanks… I guess I just needed a vent or two. No implications of America as Beast of Revelation. Although, the phrase “post constitutional” is interesting. Hadn’t quite thought of that. I guess if I were to bet, it would be that, after the power grid is taken out (and there are a number of scenarios that can do that), than “post constitutional America” is essentially irrelevant (Fox News had an interesting article about the Obama and DEMs’ stimulus being pushed so fast/hard that there are no cyber security measures in place – and now that’s way off topic / post).

    However, I do tie this all back to the Mormons. You state that the Mormons have a strong respect for the constitution (“Mormons believe the American Constitution is a sacred document”). Interesting. So, that would clearly put them ahead of Obama and the DEMs in a seemingly head-to-head contest, but then the whole “cult / rider on a white horse” thing comes in to play. Who will be more murderous?

    I guess that’s where I’m headed, in a nutshell… Who will be more murderous? Neither prospect looks appetizing. If the Mormons consider the constitution sacred, one might think they would respect individual rights, but they might just wrangle it the other way. Hmmm.

  42. This has been on my mind from the gitgo; as a Morman would fit the description of Antichrist. I always did think (IMO) that the False Prophet could come out of the UN. After visiting the Meditation Room at the UN, it reeks of New Age and the Cult of Gaia (the green machine and tree worshippers.) Another piece of the puzzle that the Antichrist could control the conservative media

    “Clear Channel Communications, Inc. is an American media conglomerate company headquartered in San Antonio, Texas.[3] It was founded in 1972 by Lowry Mays and Red McCombs, and was taken private by Bain Capital LLC and Thomas H. Lee Partners LP in a leveraged buyout in 2008.[4] Clear Channel specializes in radio broadcasting,”

    “Mitt Romney’s Bain Capital Owns Clear Channel Communications Who Owns Premiere Networks Who Distributes–Many “Conservative” Talk Radio Shows–Limbaugh, Beck, Levin, Gibson, Hannity, Savage–”

    Equally disturbing is the Morman connection (even though I can’t seem to get an update) with the Diebold voting machines: (You’re on your own with the link)

    http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/diebold-the-mormon-mason-handshake/

    For the commentor here the similarities with the Muslim faith:

    http://www.bible.ca/islam/islamic-mormonism-similarities.htm

    And the LDS are one of Fox News’ big sponsors.

  43. Don,

    Just while we are here; should we be concerned that Newt or Santroum would get any ifluence from the Vatican?

  44. Ann,

    I do not think it is just a coincidence that world top leaders are either converting to Catholicism or wanting a ecumenical union with Rome. The Catholic Church heads the Harlot but she will not be alone. Even big name Protestants leaders are giving up biblical doctrine for some phony unity. All roads are leading back toward Rome.

    The Vatican has a seat at the UN, wants to administrate the Jerusalem religious sites and has ambassadors in most nations being a Harlot with the kings of the earth like Revelation 17 says.

    The Jesuits have been secretly working through protestant seminaries for decades to bring Christianity back under the Pope.

    Don’t underestimate this unity movement. Under a time of world war and signs and wonders people will believe anything.

    Read “A Woman Rides the Beast”, by Dave hunt or Roger Oakland’s materials. From mystical Catholic prophecy many believe the next Pope will be the last Pope. The present Pope only has a couple of years left at most. Things are going to start moving very rapidly and everyone’s life is soon going to change radically. The world is heading into a period many times worse than the second world war. Governments will control everyone for national security. There will be a world war sooner than we think.

    I think people had better pay heed to what Henry Kissinger is saying here in this article. He is correct. This is about where it is all heading.

    http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/index.php?news=3089

  45. Don-

    I very interesting post and comments. Now my question is, if Romney is the GOP finalist- who do we vote for? To not vote for Romney might mean four more years of Obama, and yet I don’t think I can bring myself to vote for Mitt.

  46. Heather,

    You might vote against the known evil that you can hinder. Vote to get conservatives in the House, Senate and Supreme Court. Then work for a new conservative party on the outside chance that the nation will survive until 2016.

  47. Don,

    That article on the dailysquib about Kissinger’s comments sounds like a prosperity message for the U.S.

    That article, of course, doesn’t mention anything about The Lord’s intervention.

    Henry Kissinger said a few years ago…
    “The world must forge a new order or retreat to chaos.”

    Henry Kissinger is also the one who said, “We are priming Obama to be leader (or creator) of The New World Order”.

  48. ~David,

    You mean Henry Kissinger wasn’t the Antichrist after all? I could have swore that a number of people in the Nixon era knew that he was the Antichrist.

  49. I’ve thought the same thing regarding a Mormon President being quite comfortable declaring himself god in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. But we aren’t Europe (east or west) and Romney isn’t Italian, so I think the idea is a bit like squeezing the square peg of current events into the round hole of bible prophecy. Here is a link to a great article regarding the unification of the Mediterranean states that is pretty interesting. I don’t know if I copied it right, though.

    http://www.omegaletter.com/articles/articles.asp?ArticleID=7220

  50. Ammi.

    Scripture tends to refer to people by their origins. So I wouldn’t be so sure about not being Europe. This might be the answer to that commonly asked question, “where is the USA in Bible prophecy?”

    Don,

    Your interpretation of the meaning of “desire of women” is new to me, but it is supported by the context. Do you know of any studies that add support to this interpretation?

  51. Phil.

    I don’t see where someone’s opinion on this would add anything worthwhile it only says what it says. The context determines the meaning and I think the context is clear. The whole verse is talking about gods the Antichrist does or does not follow, not his sexual orientation.

  52. Ammi,

    There is nothing in scripture that says the Antichrist will be Italian. Also, in the post I said that the UN could move to Rome or somewhere in the EU or MU (I also wrote on the future merger of the EU and MU on this blog). As you know the head of the UN can come from anywhere. I also did not say that Romney is the Antichrist and Mormons are not limited to living in the United States. There are Mormons in Europe.

  53. Don, as to the Italian comment, I’m referring to Dan.9:26; “and the people of the prince who is to come…”

    Phil, I know it’s sometimes popular to make the U.S. the center of the scriptures, but Israel is the center and the nations surrounding her in that neck of the woods are central to the word. Our short history is central to Israel in that we have given safe haven to more than half the world’s Jewry and after WWII, when we became the world’s superpower, it was the U.S. that supported, supplied and armed the new nation of Israel to help it be what it is today. Now our power is waning and we will turn from her, as well as the rest of the world. I’ve tried to make the U.S. fit the end time prophecies at times as well, but I’ve come to the conclusion that we are part of “the isles, or coastlines” mentioned in the word.

    Sorry Don, off topic.

  54. Ammi,

    I know the view from most in premillennialism is that Dan 9:26 is saying the Antichrist is coming from the Roman Empire but here is the scripture read it carefully and tell me how they come up with that from this scripture.

    Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
    27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    Here is what the Septuagint says.

    26 And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations.
    27 And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.

    It seems to me the city and the sanctuary were already cut off in 70 AD. Can we be sure this is actually saying the Antichrist comes from the revived Roman Empire? It seems to me to be a bit of reading into the scripture.

    Even if that interpretation is correct it does not mean the Antichrist cannot be a Mormon from Europe or anywhere else and head that revived Roman Empire.

  55. Only if we tie verses 26 and 27 together as one continuous thought. I agree, vs. 26 is foretelling the destruction of 70 AD., but the next verse is talking about the 70th week of Daniel. There is no mention of a “he” in vs. 27 of the Septuagint, but a covenant isn’t established with only one party, there are two who are in agreement. That leaves the “he” of vs. 26. Which means a “ruler” of the people from the Roman Empire. Yes, anyone can be ruler of that new empire, I’m only using past history as a guide.

    Frankly, its fun and thought provoking to try to figure out who the Anti-Christ will be, but as believers we are admonished to be looking up for the return of our Bridegroom. Soon and very soon, we are going to see the King. Maranatha

  56. Ammi,

    Yeah but, if verse 26 is talking about 70AD and the prince that is coming is the one that already did the destruction like it says, what makes anyone think that it is saying that there is some latter day prince out of Rome that signs the covenant of verse 27? More fittingly it would be someone that would last from 70AD until the end time. In other words, a demonic prince angel ruling over the Roman Empire that would also possess someone and bring him to sign the covenant that would start the last 7 years. In that case he can possess any willing soul within his own jurisdiction which would mean anyone within the Roman Empire, it could even be Satan. The scripture does not say that the person that signs the covenant will be a prince.

    We know the King is coming and we should be looking for him but there are other topics in scripture and the world, and that is the point of most of my blog and most posts including this one.

  57. Well, while we could have a mormon antichrist… There can’t be a JW antichrist… They don’t participate in anything political. Given the mormon population in Europe, and other descriptions… Don just might have hit the nail on the head. Which if he is right.. Will probably put him first in line for a call from homeland security… 😉

    Rod in Oregon

  58. Lisa ,
    You are on my mind almost everyday because I’ve never heard if you found suitable employment.I am still praying for you about that. Don , please accept my apology for commenting off topic.

  59. Thanks for inquiring D. Frits. No I haven’t found a job yet, hoping that as spring unfolds something will open up…also looking up every minute expecting our Lord’s return and keeping my eyes also on world events. Taking care of my household (little one and older one without job also) but the Lord is providing and I know that if His return is not as soon as I would wish, He is with us everyday. We are going to be fine no matter what we may endure, amen?! I am blessed to have the opportunity to know people like you all here through this medium and am very grateful that Don Koenig has this forum and shares his wisdom here with us. He keeps us grounded while still reminding us that the Lord is in charge and to Him we can look and trust for whatever we live through. God bless you all.

  60. Thought you all might like to know this; even thought the article seems like it is sanitized and the massacre somewhat condoned.

    What is the “Mountain Meadows Massacre”?

    The Mountain Meadows Massacre was the killing of roughly 120 emigrants who were passing through Southern Utah in September 1857. The massacre occurred on September 11, 1857. The emigrants–men, women, and children–were traveling from Arkansas to California, part of the Baker-Fancher wagon train. They were killed by a group of Mormons with the help of local Paiute Indians.

    http://mountainmeadowsmassacre.com/

  61. Al,

    No I have not seen the movie, but I did read it was mentioned in the article.

    Jon Voight, one of my favorite actors; seems he is a pretty good guy in real life too. Rare in Hollywood.

  62. I watched the previews and it seemed pretty intriguing.

    I like Jon voight as well. We don’t have cable or any on air tv anymore (got rid of that) so we try and order Christian themed movies when we can.

  63. I have to comment on this. Here recently in Indianapolis, there have been many Bill Boards that have popped up around the City about being a Mormon and a website associated with it. I always knew they were a cult, but what is so odd is why all of the sudden we have these Bill Boards all over the place.

  64. Renee, I have noticed that too; even ads on TV showing sucessful, family oriented people advertsing about being a Morman. May need Don’s input on this, but after studying a lot of eastern religons and Islam in particular, I have seem a trend that at the start when a relgion is just about “religion” and the worship their membership would greatly increase once it becomes political with a strong global type of superiority. IMO this will happen with Mormanism, especially on the poltical stage it has evolved into recently; i.e. Glen Beck, Mitt Romney and others. I tend to look for Mormanism to become more radical since their membership is dropping off and according to the ones that leave it is rather bland and boring etc………..but I could be wrong.

  65. The Mormons have used mass media for quite some time. They always try to pass themselves off as people promoting Jesus Christ and having Christian knowledge that most Christians are not aware of, and strong family values. It obviously works or they would not waste the money.

    Ranee, if they are paying for a local bill board campaign in your town they probably think they have the trained leadership to establish another ward.

    I remember when they were using the Church happenings section of a local newspaper to get inroads in a rural town in Missouri. I sent a letter to the editor complaining that they were using a free service about happenings in local churches to promote their doctrine and put down orthodox Christian doctrine (which they did). I also published what they actually believe from the link in the article.

    It was just days after that Mormons showed up at my property. They claimed it was just a coincidence. Sure it was… I lived in the middle of a wilderness area and they had to look up county land records to find me. They did not deny most of the doctrine that I said they believed, but tried to rationalize them. A couple they said were modified or changed but it is still the Church position. There big offense or defense was that I was scared to look at anything outside of what I was taught by orthodox Christianity.

    After a couple of more letters to the editor it died down and they quit the public indoctrination. I believe they made the claim that their preaching in the church affairs section of the county newspaper were done by some over zealous missionary’s on assignment from elsewhere.

    A few of the local people told me that the Mormons make a push every so often in that area to see if the fish are biting. But in this fundamental area of Christian Churches they do not got very far thus far.

    A few people I know that did visit their Church said that they do not hit new people with doctrine. Their method seems to be to show Christians how they are just a more loving Christian denomination then the rest. You will not learn about most of their heretical doctrines until you are already entrapped into a sociological and theological cult.

    Ann, Where do you get the information that Mormon membership is dropping off. Last I heard they are still growing worldwide.

  66. Al ,
    Since you have a computer go to csnradio.com , you can listen on your computer. csnradio.com is Christian satellite radio network. BLESSINGS!!!!!!!!!!

  67. Don,

    I tried to find that article so if you have something different just disregard it. I rember too article also mentioned that the Mormans never drop the members even when they leave. Tried to search but keep getting conflicting info.

    Thanks for all you are doing.

  68. Don,

    The rider on the white horse is wearing a crown, with a bow but no arrows and then in Matthew 24, one of the first signs Jesus spoke about is “world wide deception”. Is the crown that the rider is wearing Stephanos or something a person would wear as a result of a contest (election)? And would that fit in with the authority that the False Prophet would have. Such as a Prophet (religious figure), with military authority, confirming peace treaties, ability to work miracles and so on. So that could easily fit in with Morman deception and/or a pretense since the Antichrist would have no regard for the god of his fathers. When Revelation says he dies and miraciously lives, do you think this could be an assassination? Mitt often speaks of the Olympics he directed in Utah. Since the Olympics was originally dedicated to the Greek god Zeus, which is the abomination..would that be just another piece of the puzzle or am I just being over the top?

  69. Ann,

    This crown is just a symbol of honor it could refer to the head of a nation, the head of an army or a winner of some Olympic game. The scripture really does not say the Antichrist is the rider on the white horse this is just conjecture. The False Prophet does not appear until the midst of the final seven years so the rider on the white horse is not going to be the False Prophet.

    I think a world leader is killed and then his body is risen by the Beast that comes out of the pit and he is then the person we call the Beast/Antichrist. The person is not the Antichrist until Satan is cast out of Heaven and the Beast comes out of the pit to incarnate a fallen leader.

    You are probably correct about the Beast claiming to be Zeus. I have said that he will be claim to be Zeus for a long time. Zeus was called the God of Gods and also called the Savior God but Zeus is a usurper and he is not the God of the Bible. The Antichrist foreshadow named Antiochus IV Epiphanes set up a statue of Jupiter (Zeus in Greek)in the Jewish Temple. He also thought that he was channeling the spirit of Zeus. The Antichrist foreshadow was given for a reason. Of course that does not mean that Mitt fits the bill.

  70. Don, thanks for clearing somethings up; giving the Glenn Beck gushing worship lately…oh well, better not go there.

    Any thoughts on Greek/Morman connections?

  71. Ann,

    Hmmm…Mormons and the Greek Orthodox Church both have pseudo Christian man-made religions. The Orthodox actually worship images of dead saints. Mormons have temple rituals that save the dead. I can see how both religious can believe that someone that was dead has come back to life.

  72. Save the dead ?
    Worship the dead ?

    Wouldn’t that be superseding God’s plans ?

    Oh wait, I didn’t read that Mormon book, ‘Pearls of Wisdom’ or whatever it’s called.

    I did talk to a Mormon years ago about this and he told me that Mormons have to do the “Save The Dead” routine because of the “Dark Time”…when I guess God wasn’t on the job.

    To me, this stuff sounds like something out of the TV series and movies of the Addams Family.

  73. Interesting article Don, I must say it was an eye candy to read. Never thought about a Mormon candidate for an anti-Christ, however I come from a Sufi Muslim background. Some Sufi Muslim groups also believe in things similar to New Age movement materials like various paths leading to God, as well as Hindus. Not to mention I have a very good friend of mine who is Mormon who told me that according to Mormonism if you are a good person you can go to heaven regardless what your beliefs are, even if you have no beliefs.

  74. Jimmy DeYoung recently said that Tony Blair is the perfect prototype of the antichrist.
    He also mentioned that Tony had recently converted to Catholicism. Brannon Howse was
    in agreement.

  75. Great Post, Don!
    The number of political leaders in Washington, as well as in other parts of the country, previous US Presidents and powerful leaders around the world who are also Masons, INCLUDING Mitt Romney, is amazing to me. If Mitt “Illuminati” Romney is elected, should we be surprised? The satanic (I refuse to capitalize him) influence in Washington is undeniable, and it’s been that way since it was founded. The USA isn’t mentioned outright in The Bible, but could Washington be “a Babylon” ? I think you NAILED it when you said the majority of the world would rather have an Illuminati Romney, type than a rag head! What do you expect is going to happen with Israel and Iran?

  76. Deborah,

    Washington is not Babylon. Read chapter 17 and 18 of my Revelation commentary (top bar)

    Israel and Iran will eventually have a war but a war may or may not happen with Israel before the Ezekiel 38 39 invasion. We are at least a decade from the Ezekiel fulfillment.

  77. So Mormons believe their faith is the only true form of Christianity, and all others are false, making others “antichrist” ? Do you think it’s likely that those Mormons who also happen to be Masons know who their god (satan) really is? (because of the satanic rituals Masons perform)

    (and thanks for sending me to read your commentary on Revelation 16 & 17- it was VERY enlightening)

  78. Deborah,

    Names don’t mean much since people put different meanings on the same names. It is the attributes of the deity and the demonic theology that they believe in that identifies their works theology and their god. Even those on the top might not known the name of their god is Satan, but that may be true of most created religious.

    I suspect some in the top rung understand the name of the god they worship because of the wording in the rituals, or at least they should.

  79. In what religion does a human individual have the most influence on the most people?

    Mormonism, Islam, Buddhism, have no human individual of note, the Dalai Llama may be such to Tibetan Buddhism but there is no individual who can compare to the Roman Catholic Pope. If this has a bearing on the leadership of the Whore one would expect the Pope will have a large say in what transpires. And does the Whore RIDE the beast or GUIDE the beast? Is she ascending to power on the back of the beast or guiding the beast to power?

    From the influence the Pope holds today I would suggest a Mormon anti-Christ is unlikely (even if a Mormon were to win the Presidential election in the US).

    Regards the appearance of anti-Christ I would suggest it will be when he “shall confirm the covenant with many for one week” Daniel 9:27. This will be a public affair and therefore he should be recognised by simply applying the Scriptural records.

  80. Brian,

    What if Mormons were to join with the Roman Church after the Rapture? In fact the next Pope could be a secret freemason. After all, there are a whole lot of people that think the illuminati of freemasonary is in total control of the leaders on earth. When you think about it, there is not a whole lot of difference between the Roman system and the Mormon system anyway.

    If we have a revived Roman Empire with a number of state heads then a number of world leaders might confirm the covenant so the one that will become the future Antichrist might not be known until he removes three of them.

  81. Looks like I live in the “Garden of Eden”, according to the Mormans. No wonder I always thought it was so beautiful here. Thanks for enlightening me.

  82. Hi Don
    True, and given those circumstances we should not even try to classify the anti-Christ, because he could come from any present day persuasion. The fact that he forsakes the god of his fathers does suggest a religious background.

    Real evidence that we have is that he is of the people that destroyed Jerusalem.

    Re the confirming of the covenant:
    Again I must rely on the different renditions of the Scriptures for sentence structure and out of eleven I have on my computer ten refer to the one confirming the covenant as ‘he’, an individual, and if that is true it must be referring back to the aforementioned prince that shall come.

  83. Hi Brian,

    The whole point in making the Antichrist a Mormon in this post was to show that it can be done with other religions besides just Islam. I probably could make the case for a New Age/Eastern root Antichrist as well.

    Sure the prince to come will be the Antichrist but we probably cannot know who that prince is until the Beast ascends out of the pit. In fact, there is no Son of Perdition (Antichrist) on earth until that happens.

    Obviously he is just one being, but that does not mean that others cannot also confirm the covenant with him. For example, if it is a seven year peace treaty like many believe, every political leader in Europe might sign it. In fact, the Pope might also sign it. Ever see the signing of an armistice? There are lots of pens around.

    The real question is why he breaks the 7 year covenant? The answer might be Because he received supernatural power from the pit and he does not need Israel or Rome in his plans anymore; so he kills the two prophets and moves the Beast headquarters to Babylon and burns the Roman Harlot with fire.

  84. I was wondering when someone would at least think about the possibility of a Mormon being the antichrist. But think about this: if Romney is elected, somewhere down the road he Will be appointed as the PROPHET, Seer, & Revelator of the Mormon church. Does “False Prophet” ring a bell? I grew up Mormon and I have been thinking about this whole false prophet thing for quite awhile; there are just too many red flags. You know Joseph Smith, the PROPHET, ran for president with the intent of taking over the world, in the words of Joseph a “new world order.”

  85. Hi Sandy,

    I am of the opinion that the American apostate religions are going to have no bearing whatsoever on the Middle Eastern anti-Christ or False Prophet.

    The anti-Christ and False Prophet are going to be revealed during the tribulation period…to fulfill scripture, in regard to Israel specifically.

    I think, whether it is Obama or Romney in office, the only thing they are going to be credited with is…being sitting presidents as the United States utterly collapses.

  86. Hi, as a former Mormon (I battled with the LDS Church to preserve my First Amendment right to choose my religion for myself and refused to allow the LDS Church to forced me into partaking any of their would be religious departure procedures), I agree 100% that Mormons do not believe in Jesus Christ in the same theological sense as the major Christian denominations. When you attend LDS Church services, the scripture is from The Book of Mormon. The Holy Bible is hardly ever studied and the majority of their sermons are completely based on The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, D&C, Jesus the Christ by Talmage, and/or The Teachings of Presidents of the Church by Harold B. Lee. Their idea of Judgment Day is that the individual will be judged by Lucifer (The Devil), Jesus Christ, and God together. So today, being Election Day, is what I consider to be the day we will see whether or not the Anti-Christ or Anti-God (anti-monotheism) will be elected as a leader of the U.S.A. I know I did not vote for Mitt Romney for the simple reason I did not want the head of our government implementing Mormon theology based legislature and have such being imposed upon all Americans thus compelling them to obey/follow Mormon theology by imposing laws which all citizens must abide by or live by and in a way, systematically imposing the Mormon religion on the public.

  87. How can they not be Christians as you say? Their name as a whole denotes Christianity, the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.
    Another thing, the reason why “Mormons have been favored for a long time by American top-secret agencies.” (As you say) This is all due to them characteristically carrying the standards that are typical to the religion and culture.
    You must not know many lds members.

  88. Natalie,

    Having a Christian name does not make one a Christian. Mormons deny essentials of the Christian faith and they add damnable heresy. They get the very nature of God and His Son Jesus wrong. Read what their church teaches.

    http://www.thepropheticyears.com/cults/mormons.HTM

    This is not Christianity, it has more in common with Eastern religions and New Age. Mormons have been favored by secretive government agencies because they generally do not use drugs and alcohol and they can keep a secret. After all, their whole religion is very secretive. I have known plenty of LDS in my days in the government workplace. I have never known them to discuss their religion in the workplace or in casual social settings. Almost all proselytizing comes during a Mormon’s full time two year missionary obligation.

  89. re: LDS,

    From my understanding, the LDS church is another one of the many religions that require humans to do “man made” deeds instead of accepting what The Lord Jesus Christ did for all of us.

    Also, like the Jehovah Witnesses and others, they added to the self inclusive book, The Holy Bible, to further another false religious cause.

    Some in Christianity have a hard time accepting the authorship of the God Inspired Holy Bible, yet this cult, the Mormons, somehow accept a very faulty Joseph Smith.

    The missionaries that used to come to my house twice a week knew very little about The Revelation of Jesus Christ, but believed that their “works” through missionary journey’s were going to save and improve the world through dominionism.

    The missionaries tend to be very nice people but severely lacking in Biblical knowledge from my experiences.

  90. ~David,

    That of course is all true. Some do know the scriptures but they twist them to say what they were taught. It is the blind leading the blind.
    Apparently this person is someone that just wants to argue about how nice Mormons are instead of dealing with the theological issues that do separate them from the Christian faith.

    That person did not comment here to learn the truth about Mormonism. She commented because she believes she knows the truth and wants to correct us. You cannot reach people blinded by Satan that insist on believe his lies. There is more hope that a slime ball will hear the gospel of salvation than for a self righteous religious person. She will get no more space here to promote this Satanic god maker cult.

  91. you do not know what we believe as a mormon i know what you are saying is false before you bash people get your facts strait.!!! open your eyes we are not a cult!!!!! really we are tought to be loveing to all not just some we are thought that people have a right to believe what they choose to, so i must state again if you want to talk bad a bout a whole religion that teaches peace and being humble and the teachings of Jesus. People can appose us all they want i can only pray that one day you will open your heart and pray about it and seek the truth with no preconseptions about what the awnser will be i believe you will find that you are verry wrong.

  92. Kate,

    A theological Christian cult is one that does not believe the essentials of the Christian Faith to even be considered to have Christian theology by Christians. That view comes from our understanding of what the Bible teaches compared to what your religion teaches.

    Mormonism denies the Gospel once given for all by which people must be saved. Mormons deny salvation comes through grace through faith alone. Mormons are busy working their way to become a God rather than believing that Jesus is the only begotten God whose blood sacrifice on the cross paid for all the sin of those that trust only in Him for their salvation. It is nothing that you do that saves you, it is trusting in what He did that saves people into His body. Trusting in your church and its man made requirements does not save anyone.

    There are nice people in Hatti that believe in demonic Voodoo. There are nice Muslims but their religion is not Christian and neither is Mormonism.

    It is really logically absurd that a religion that claims to be the only true religion on earth, that claims that all Christian denominations are apostate would then spend so much effort to try to be accepted by what they believe is a Harlot. Suck it up and stand on your own if you are going to claim to be the only true Church on earth. Then stand in line with all the other unbiblical cults that also claim that they are the only true Church on earth. When you miss the Rapture (As if Mormons even believe in such a biblical concept) you will know that the only true Church on earth were those that were taken.

  93. Kate, why don’t you take time to study the origins of Mormonism, study the non-biblical beliefs of your faith by actually reading the Bible. Go to UTLM.org for a vast amount of information about your church. And yes, I do know what Mormons believe, because I grew up as a Mormon.

  94. Oh, I don’t know… I would certainly believe a convicted con man/swindler found some golden tablets that have rules contrary to the Bible.. And of course were taken back to heaven so nobody can every question their authenticity… Sure.. why not… And that is just the beginning of the problems found in Mormonism…

    Rod in Oregon

  95. Oh Kate,

    Mormonism is the very definition of a cult.

    Now, it is true that many Mormons are very strong in love, peace, & family values, however…the book of Mormon has nothing to do with Salvation through Jesus Christ.

    All the door-to-door Mormon Missionaries (who came to my door weekly) and Bishops I’ve talked to have no clue on Biblical prophecy because they believe in a bizarre dominion-ism…even to this day, they still believe that they’re going to make the world a better place by spreading their religion.

    I don’t need to get too far into their belief that Jesus is the brother of Satan and that a “rewarded” Mormon will be one that gets his own planet to rule, becoming a god him/herself.

    How do I know this, I lived in Utah, talked to lots of Mormon’s (including two Bishops) and dated a Mormon girl with ties to the church.

    The good news is that some former Mormons in Utah have seen the True Light, Salvation Through Jesus Christ and His Word, The Bible…and are getting away from the Mormon religious nonsense.

    More good news, Sandy Robinson (above comment) sounds like she is one I am describing that has “Seen The True Light” of Jesus Christ.

  96. It’s really simple when you look at Joesph smith. He was only 15 years of age, and I haven’t met a 15 year old boy yet that is mature enough. (is it possible, sure anything is possible with God). How does a 15 year old boy write the book of Mormon while the New Testament was mostly written by the apostle Paul. Who was much older and had much more wisdom. Just my .02¢

    Matthew 7:15~20 is a great scripture for examining his fruit. While waiting in jail accused of armed robbery, they killed him. Never in the bible do I remember a prophet committing armed robbery. He was known for running con’s on people. http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon430.htm has some very interesting information about his criminal activities.

    SMITHSONIAN STATEMENT REGARDING THE BOOK OF MORMON

    1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archeologists see no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.

    2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern. central, and northeastern Asia. Archeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians cane into the New World – probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Being Strait region during the last Ice Age – in a continuing series of small migrations beginning from about 25,000 to 30,000 years ago.

    3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.

    4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with Old World civilizations if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times. American Indians had no wheat, barley, oats, millet, rice, cattle, pigs, chickens, horses, donkeys, camels before 1492. (Camels and horses were in the Americas, along with the bison, mammoth, and mastodon, but all these animals became extinct around 10,000 B.C. at the time when the early big game hunters spread across the Americas.)

    5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.

    6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by no means certain that even such contacts occurred; certainly there were no contacts with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asian and the Near East.

    7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archeological remains in Mexico and archeological remains in Egypt.

    8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines, and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland.

    Joe is about as stable as a three legged stool. The fruits he produced are well documented. If you question him or his ways in the ward, they will boot you out. I’ve never been threaten to be kicked out of my church for questioning Jesus.

  97. these are my concerns and theories. one I though Mormons hate woman treat them like dirt. two I thought Mormons already believe in queen of heaven. what is the one true church of Christ where is it safe to be baptised? 🙂

  98. Lorraine,

    The one true Church is all those born from above into the spiritual body of Christ. Water baptism is an outward witness of an inward conversion into Christ. So worry more about about how one is saved than where one is baptized. I just happened to have explained that in the post that I posted today (7/28/13). Check it out.

  99. Lorraine,

    For what it’s worth, I do believe that Mormonism is a cult.

    However, they most certainly do not treat women poorly, they are very much into strong family values, I lived in Utah and still know quite a few of them in a few different regions.

    As a matter of fact, I would rate Utah as one of the friendliest states I’ve ever been in, the only thing is, if you want to succeed as an employee in their state and you work for a Mormon, you must become one or you’ll have a tough time…which I didn’t, which is one reason why I found it easy to leave.

  100. I don’t argue any of your points, the only thing i want to correct is that Mormons believe they will become gods after they die, if they live as close to a perfect life as they can.

  101. Devon,

    Yeah, that of course means it is something that they can earn by their own efforts and that is the complete antithesis of Christian doctrine.

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