There is no doubt in my mind that Donald Trump won the 2020 election. Had they only counted the valid ballots in every state, Trump would have won the electoral college vote in a landslide. I believe that without the fraud the Republicans would also have won the House and Senate.
It all just proves that leftists corrupt everything. The leftist deep state is corrupt, the media is corrupt, schools teach leftist propaganda instead of truth, polls lie and where leftist have elections they are rigged.
The question is will the leftist socialists just take over America through lies and fraud like they have done elsewhere. or will enough Americans stand up and hold these immoral people accountable? We will find out in the next few weeks.
It should be obvious that leftists cannot be trusted to run a democratic election. Where on this planet have socialists ever conducted an honest election? One has to wonder why states even allow the corrupted big city to count the ballots? Do they really think the leftist controlled cities would give them an honest count? The answer is that leftist state governments also have become corrupted just as the national Democratic Party is corrupted. Leftism and corruption are synonymous.
This election was rigged from the start by leftists. They controlled the information that people would get to see and hear. The leftist controlled media lied about Trump for four years to brainwash gullible people and the simple. They then used voting machines that could be easily rigged. They also flooded their states with mail-in ballots knowing full well that these ballots would not be verified as being a legal vote.
Then they hired mostly leftists to count the ballots knowing that there were activists among them that would carry out all kinds of fraud. The fraud is why they would not allow Republican viewing. In this election there was conspired coordinated fraud orchestrated from the top to rig the election in at least the swing states, and fraud from local activists and their zombies to skew the vote.
If there is any rule of law remaining in this country, they will rule that Trump won the swing states and will continue as President. The left of course would then instigate an insurrection and attempt to burn down the cities. Trump could deal with that by invoking the Insurrection Act, shut them down, and not play by leftist rules.
One way to get confidence back in our election system and avoid some violence might be to have a complete election do-over in January. The Supreme Court could order that, if they are given proof that sufficient fraud occurred and that it was widespread across the country. I would like to see that solution since I believe an honest election would bring a clear victory for Trump and would also give the Republicans the House and Senate. Keep in mind, that we tell third world nations to have new elections when an election appears to be rigged there. It seems to me that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
We can have honest elections if we use paper ballots and only allow registered voters who show ID to vote. The paper ballots would then be counted and verified by two or more people who are not of the same party.
We can live in a free nation, or we can live under socialism. We cannot do both. This election is too important to leave it to leftist traitors, frauds and liars.
Hi Don, just wanted to also comment that there has to be some type of “alliance” between the leftists/socialists who defrauded the election, and our justice/intelligence depts of DOJ/FBI/CIA/DHS etc. The apparent silence and denial from those agencies about the fraud is very alarming indeed.
Nathan Elledge
Tyler, TX
I completely agree Don. The next few weeks may see some big events. Trump is determined to fight and stay in office and it is clear he is the fair winner. It is mindblowing what is happening in America. The democrat party has become an enemy to America. The democrat led House just passed a bill to decriminalize marijuana, but no stimulus. These wicked people in congress are a total disgrace. Not that I would agree with more money printing stimulus to collapse the dollar, but still, seeing where their priorities are is unbelievable. The left fake news propaganda pedlers and social networks have crowned Joe winner, with his photo on magazines, ready to unite America lol. We pray justice prevails, and Trump continues. Let the liberals have their violent fits, and let President Trump crack down on them with force if necessary. We better start doing what we can to not allow our country to fall to communism without firing a shot. Our greatest weapon is prayer.
Hi,
Back in the 2016 primaries, I did not vote for Trump. I forget who I voted for (it wasn’t Rubio either). The whole Trump thing throughout the primary season in 2016 was puzzling. Frankly, I don’t get so-called conservative voters (who ran against Obama? Really?).
When Trump won in 2016, I heard good things, but by early 2017, that all fizzled out (first clue was the Breitbart departure). I pretty much knew at that point it was just a pause.
After Bill Clinton (who should have been impeached), I was thinking we’d be where we are now in 2020, but, instead, things dragged on for a couple decades to follow.
At this point, I’m too far gone. I’m just looking up for the rapture. I can only describe everything down here as a colossal disappointment. The most despicable are those that identify with God (even Christ), but are more concerned with their world, while this current church-age dispensation flows downhill into the worst time that human history will ever see.
For the past 2000 years God has been calling out a people to His name (actually, more, but I’ll stick with the current dispensation). And the job of those that are His are to do just that, versus trying to fix the messes down here and making everything that much worse.
Well, I think I had that one penting up for a while and probably long overdue to plop it down.
Blessings to those that are His. Watch, pray and stick with the one job (noting the 144k-plus-2 will finish it up). Craig
Hi Nathan,
I warned about deep state Barr when Trump picked him to be AG.
Don,
This is why I feel like extreme measures are justified. If the majority of Americans fairly and honestly voted for tyranny then I suppose I would have to accept that.
The problem is that the majority of americans did not vote for tyranny. A small group of evil people cheated and overthrew the rule of law. That’s a huge difference. This cannot be allowed to stand.
Trump needs to stay in office regardless of what happens. Better to fight this battle now with a friendly president in power.
The process is taking time but at least many are beginning to see who are really part of the deep state who are genuine Republicans.
I think the left purposefully hand picked Biden because he is coming to the end of his career and if their plan does not work he is retiring anyway, no wonder Kamala has not resigned from her Senate position.
I am hopeful that Trump will have his 2nd term and even though the process is really dragging it is also revealing alot about people in the Republican party who have been in it just for their own good and not the people
This is an interesting article from retired General McInerney in regards to Trump using the Insurrection Act.
https://leohohmann.com/2020/12/01/decorated-3-star-general-calls-on-trump-to-honor-your-oath-of-office-and-protect-america-from-treasonous-enemies-within/
Could it be remotely possible that more people voted for Biden than trump?
Where they were counting the paper ballets there was more camera’s than a casino and you could watch it online AND there was republicans democrats and independents within feet and was allowed to stop to question at any time.
The people banging on the windows just outside of the place they didn’t let them come in to watch the count. Now Bar is deep state bc he stated the obvious? What about Anne Coulter? She too deep state now? Anyone that goes against Trump is somehow deep state.
In each court hearing Trumps lawyers when asked “do you have any proof to present?” Trumps lawyers responded with a “No” because they have no such proof it’s just wild speculation and conspiracies.
Another reason why Biden ran up the count with the absentee ballets was bc trump told his supporters NOT to do absentee but to show up on election day.
If this election was rigged then WHY isn’t the House up by 20 seats instead of 11? And the Senate is within two seats? Here’s the reason. Republicans got tired of Trump and wanted anyone else but him so WE voted Biden and republican rest the way down the ballet.
Trump lost sorry to break it to ya you can kick & scream and yell “THEY CHEATED!” all you want and believe all of the nonsense fed to you hand and foot it still wont change history that Trump will go down as the worst POTUS in history.
I know so so many Republicans that did just that. The fact is this election was secure and safe trump’s own guy he brought in which he later fired for contradicting trumps lie of “The Steal” was actually up front & transparent.
We finally got that idiot out of there watch him burn down the White House before leaving. I wonder if he vandalizes the place? He is a sore loser.
ps. Trump has raised 170 Million from donors since after the election and that’s why he’s spouting all this they took it from me stuff. Track to see where your money is actually going, FYI.
Trump’s former campaign manager Brad Parscale said Trump lost the election due to how he handled the Covid 19 and never showed any leadership &that if he would of trump could of won it. Parscale never said it was stolen but it was lost.
Trump lost. Sorry.
Andy Woods talked about that at length yesterday on his Pastor’s Point of view yesterday. He agrees with the general. He also had a list of actions we can take. Don do you care if I link to Andy?
Hi Adriana,
I don’t think Lt. General Mcinerney is someone we should hitch our wagon to. He may be the Alex Jones of retired Generals. He has not been in the military since 1994 and his history is that of a hawks hawk. If there is any truth to what he claims, he is about the only retired or active general that is talking about it.
Hi Dawson.
I saw it. I link to Dr. Andy Woods on my links page I like his Bible teaching.
In his recent political views I think he and Brannon Howse have gone out on a limb that may be cut off. I do not think the fringe right wing sources they are using to make their election claims are reliable. I kind of hope that I am wrong, but I would not wish for their claims to be true either.
Don,
No, I dont want them to be right but it seems plausible. I watched all the hearings too, one of the cybersecurity people also testfied they had proof the data left the country and foriegn actors had access to it. It seems plausible to me.
I read the article from Gen. McInerney. He actually didn’t say alot I haven’t heard already from other sources. Gen. Michael Flynn is also calling for martial law and a reelection. I believe the validity of their statements.
There’s a troll on the blog.
Hi Caitlin,
I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that General Mclnerney was recruited by and is getting much of his Hammer and Scorecard information from a couple of people that were long ago discredited. Brannon Howse had these people on his program and totally bought into what they were saying. Andy Woods just believes and seems to double down on what Howse is saying.
I tend to agree with Gen Mike Flynn but the Insurrection Act should have been invoked when the cities were burning. Now after the election you likely will get a civil war if Trump just declares martial law and invalidates the election. The government and military leaders now won’t even obey or support Trump unless he somehow gets the electoral votes. If he does, he may have to then invoke the Insurrection Act to restore order in the cities.
I know that Bill Butt believes the leftists, but I also believe in free speech on political issues if it is on topic.
You guys can refute him if you want. I will save my breath because leftists are unteachable.
Don,
I hear you on the civil war part. I dont like that option,but I dont see where he has any choice. What I hope to see is like you, legal system prevail. It doesnt matter what the lower courts decide because the left was always going to apeal if they lost, just like the right. We knew it was going to the Supreme court on November 4th, just not sure how. There are personel changes going on that needed to happen a long time ago, coupled with trumps speech from Wednesday I think the groundwork is being laid for an attempt at marshal law if the legal side fails. Public opinion depending on the poll has most Republicans and some democrats believing the results are invalid. Trafalgar has Georgia at 53% thinking it is fraud with about 10% more unsure. The margin of victory there probably should have been 5 to 10%, they have the eveidence on tape along with a vote spike corresponding to the time stamp on the tapes. The sample was before the tapea got out. I guess I am rambling towards he may Have won the popular vote if you cut the fraud, California has several million invalid voters on its roles. Im praying the legal system prevails, praying for trump, biden to concede, the Lord to take us, for wisdom to act. There may be above 50% support for him to do whatever it takes. Im in that camp.
You got any good news sources? Breitbart took a swing left now to, I use epoch times and a few others. They have made their content free while this mess is going on.
Some good sources are The Gateway Pundit, Newsmax, OAN, American Thinker, WND, and Revolver
American Greatness is excellent as well.
Dawson,
Everyone is on Parler now so you can find them all in one place.
Yes Bill is a fine example of the left, accusing Trump of going to do what they have been doing since he became President. And they are the ones who have been sore losers and may try burning down the White house if Trump stays in office. Thanks for the news sources suggestions, seems even Fox news is sinking down, with the exception of Tucker Carlson.
I’m not convinced yet that Trump is guaranteed to lose. The odds are against him but there is still a chance.
If you watch the TED video by Van Jones a week before the election he strangely “predicts” what might happen.
1. The election being fairly close
2. Mail in ballots being disputed
3. Trump not conceding
4. EC voting for Biden in December
5. State delegations ultimately.
giving election to Trump.
Of course he goes on and says that this would be a coup and the people would need to take to the streets to remove Trump. It shows that they left prepared for this potential outcome if they’re plan to steal the election was not successful.
Ultimately if nothing else we can see that very difficult times are near. Tyranny under Biden starts January 20th. Riots may start much sooner. If the EC votes for Biden but Trump fights on and a contingent election is prepared then we only have 10 days or so until we start seeing the cities burn.
Has anyone noticed lately, that is if you still watch any TV, that the commercials are starting to take on the tone of propaganda? It’s subtle, but it’s there. I asked my brother if he had noticed it as well and he said he did. We’ve taken to calling each other comrade. While we do it in jest, there is a sad element of truth to it.
Hi Adriana,
Most of the situation comedies did that going all the way back to All In The Family. If Biden takes over, I am sure corporations will be falling all over themselves using their commercials to appear to be politically correct.
Does everyone here remember in Braveheart how all the “nobles” turned against Wallace and were bought off by Longshanks? I got a sick feeling that something similar has happened here. Have you noticed how many of Trumps supposed faithful followers have seemed to have turned tail and acquiesced to the “inevitable” conclusion that there was no fraud and that this was a legetimate election? Further, have you noticed the amount of people that have or will bail on Trump? I got a sick feeling that these harlots have shown their true color and have been complicit in the takedown of Trump. I guess every whore has his or her price.
Hi Michael,
I was reading a Rush transcript a few days ago. Karl Bernstein claims at least 21 Republicans have expressed to him contempt for Trump. Some we knew like Romney, Sasse, Collins, Murkowski and some surprised me like Martha McSally. I don’t remember everyone on the list but Rush’s point was the Republican establishment-except a few-never wanted Trump. They liked things the way they were and want things that way again.
It’s obvious. It makes me wonder who I’m really voting for. Oh, John Cornyn of Texas was on the list.
I hope they will enjoy international communism because that is the alternative.
Let’s see where this lawsuit brought by Texas and other states goes. I don’t see the SCOTUS overturning the election. If anything they will say it’s a states issue and let them do what they wish. Perhaps we will see a contingent election.
I really have to question the loyalty and courage of some of these supposedly patriotic conservative pundits like Michael Savage, Dinesh Desouza, Ben Shapiro, etc. Now that a real crisis is at our door they all fold and say to suck it up and go win in the midterms and plan for 2024.
Welp no more election fraud videos in youtube. Any content disputing election is prohibited.
Dawson
I saw that. They must be running scared to do such a thing. If they truly believed Biden was going to be inaugurated and that he won fairly they would not be censoring anyone who has opposing viewpoints. I’m sure they will do the same thing with the vaccine roll out or the planned immunity passports.
Hi all,
I hope all that have believed the Hammer and Score Card Hoax that Brannon Howse and Woods have been pushing lately on their programs watch this YouTube by Kevin Shipp. It debunks the claims and gives plenty of evidence. Obviously Kevin Shipp is not part of the deep state and his no reason to be lying about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hrHPDNB8_Y&feature=youtu.be
I have my doubts about the Hammer/Scorecard stuff. I do have a lot of questions about the dominion machines though, so we do agree those arent trust worthy and appear to be suspect I think?
Don,
Thanks for the Hammer link above. Looks and sounds very credible. If true, I sure hope Howse and Woods can quickly remedy their unfortunate misinformation, which, I believe, was not intentional on their part. Deception abounds re: information and who to trust. I sure hope Sidney Powell is able to be informed about this misinformation and soon!!
Sure appreciate your blog!!
Hi M,
I think Sidney Powell got sucked into this hoax when she was told it, but she now most know that the Montgomery claims have been discredited. The Dominion Voting Systems is a separate issue. That is true.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/ominous-u-s-positioning-naval-vessels-off-east-west-coasts-massive-troop-movements-in-conus
Probably nothing, but interesting nonetheless. Would other nations, in the form of the UN, come to the aid of Biden if the Democrats requested it? I’d say it’s a stretch, but if these military maneuvers are legitimate I have to wonder.
Maybe they are just getting ready for mass civil unrest from within, should the election be reversed? I did read that Trudeau was going to allow Chinese troops to train with the Canadian military. Something isn’t right here.
China and Russia are not going to to invade the US.
Blue states are not going to secede. Red ones won’t either.
Canada invited a few Chinese to train in cold weather combat. Prob more to do with skirmishes with India in the Himalayas. It was a bad idea and it was cancelled.
Police and NG are being mobilized. That’s not a secret. There will be violence no matter who wins.
A bigger question is where the heck are Biden, Harris, Obama, Hillary, etc? They are acting very strangely. They should all be out celebrating yet are nowhere to be found. Zero speeches or public appearances. Just disappeared.
At some point, those crying fraud need to consider the logistics. How in the world could fraud have taken place in 5+ states, some Republican-led? Consider all the people who would have to be involved. Consider the level of orchestration required. It’s just not reasonable.
It’s truly sad to see so many conservatives adopt cult-like behavior where they believe anything without any proof whatsoever. If there was widespread fraud across multiple states involving thousands of bad actors, there would be SOMETHING. There has been NOTHING. Or are Conservative judges across the country in on it, too? C’mon y’all, we’re better than this.
Chris,
I guess you do not think the left has not done it in other nations where the socialists took over? I would think thousands of sworn affidavits about election irregularity and fraud would prove something to people like you, but apparently not.
One of the problems is that it takes time that we do not have to investigate the illegalities. It is the liberals that act like cultist or moronic lemmings. They just repeating the leftist media talking points and following their leaders off a cliff toward communism just like the lemmings they have become.
Nevertheless, obviously some conservatives think they have enough proof to take the election rigging case to the Supreme Court.
In any case. Biden is corrupt and is a national security risk and he should not become President. The corruption is so obvious that it is being investigated by the FBI and even some democrats are starting to turn on him.
Fraud only happens because those in power on both sides benefit from it. Yes fraud has been occurring for a very long time but not to this extent and not with such dire consequences. I don’t know when the SCOTUS will decide the lawsuit brought by Texas but it will have to be soon.
Good evening, comrades. Texas doesnt have standing. I am at a loss. Thrown out 7 to 2. All trumps nominees failed.
Don:
Why is the Supreme Court not taking the TX case? I don’t understand. Thank you for your answer. I am not crying – yet, but I want too. I am praying. Please note that I have a new email address – I am trying to disentangle myself from Google.
Thank you.. Bev
A Biden steal is looking more likely by the day. I suppose the contested states could still refuse to send electors?
I don’t think Trump in and of himself was what made his campaign for office successful. People really just want someone, anyone, who will stand up and take the fight to the other side. Some would say Cruz, Cotton, Jordan, etc are fighters but their really not. They all play a defensive game and they play by the rules if the left.
If Trump really had 350-400 EV then there is real grassroots support out there. Any tough conservative citizens out there should start running for local office. Take up the mantle and carry it onward.
Yes after the Supreme court decision, what will Trump do now? Lock himself inside the White house? Lol all kidding aside this is a very serious matter. Rush Limbaugh has even mentioned the sucession word for red states. Does it seem that the left and wicked are on the brink of a full take over of America unjustly? My head is spinning from what all has happened in 2020,and the year ending with this election debacle. Trump had re-election won easily before 2020 and Covid 19 came along, and now seems has lost to Joe Biden. We are in such perilous times.
I am not sure it was 7 to 2. As far as I know nobody gave the breakdown, although Alito and Thomas said they would have heard the case.
Lack of standing is now too often the standard ruling for not making unpolitically correct rulings.
I have said before and I will say again that the first two justices appointed by Trump were not true conservatives. You do not go to the most liberal church in a big city if you are a true conservative.
Roberts also is obviously a liberal appointed by a so called conservative President. We can’t win because even half the Republicans are actually compromised or are progressives. When the Republicans actually did control it all they did not have the votes to pass conservative legislation. If we do not form a new party, conservatives will never control the progressive (communist) deep state anything.
Hi Toby,
When half the states sue and the Supreme Court claims they do not have standing and will not hear the merits of the case about a illegitimate presidential election what is left but succession or civil war to resolve the grievances?
Don
I assumed since they wrote dissenting opinions it was 7 to 2. They needed 4 to hear it. Texas is already trying something else. Im in on forming a new party. I wouldn’t be surprised to see balkanization over this as you mentioned previously. I dont see the court taking any of the other cases since they punted this one. I agree about gorsuch and Kavanagh although I would have expected Kavanagh to have an ax to grind.
Also of note, the results of the forensic audit of the voting machines in Michigan have been put under a gag order, sarcastically, I wonder what that means?
Yes the fact that they would not even hear the case is disturbing to say the least. And you are also right that Roberts and many republicans are not true conservatives. There is suppose to be another march for Trump tomorrow, will see how that goes.
I heard they were going to try to take the fight to the state courts. I bet they’re all liberal Dems, so that will be a bust. A fitting end to a horrific year.
Posted on The Conservative Tree House a bit ago – I am praying he is right:
“What you apparently do not seem to comprehend is that the courts have no authority to rule on anything yet because there is no ‘President elect’ until the electors vote. People [and States] are trying to litigate something that hasn’t even happened yet. State Legislatures choose their electors, not the Governor or the Sec of State or even the voters, for this exact reason [blatant election fraud]. The People [and/or States], have no actual grievance from which to seek redress until and unless the State Legislators disregard the blatant election fraud [unverified ballots] and become complicit with the perpetrators.
Fraudulent election aside, the truth is that Government(s) are powerless [all of them]. The only chance the globalists have of getting their money[debt] paid back is to have President Trump in office. The People [8 Billion or so] control ALL of the equity. Without equity, the debts [held by the globalists] are worthless. Wise up. Trust God. Fear not.”
Hi Adriana,
They have to go through the state courts to get to the SCOTUS. Just because the SCOTUS would not hear the Texas case does not mean they will not hear any of these lower court cases when they are appealed.
Hi Bev,
First the courts say you do not have standing, but when you obvious get standing they say you waited too long.
The bankers and corporations don’t need to get debt paid back if they own most of the tangible assets. They just create digital currency and the eight billion people will need it to buy whatever the elite own. In other words, if the FED in the US and in their counterparts in other nations keep creating money out of thin air they will buy and own everything. They are already buying all the mortgages as well as bonds and stocks. It will be the small savers that lose everything. You already see some of that with the negative and zero interest rates. If they keep creating more money, the low interest rates on your savings will stay in place while the cost of everything soars.
On the good news, I found out that the SCOTUS told Texas to refile under a different type of thing and they will accept it.
“As FBI finds 500k fake ballots, Supreme Court tells Texas 22 States “re-file your motion as a Bill of Complaint and we will accept it.”
That’s the name of the article. So it sounds like it was thrown out on a technicality.
Here’s to praying and crossing our fingers.
Sure, refile it after electoral college confirms Biden. Then They will give another excuse.
Derp ~
Do you have a link for your post??
“As FBI finds 500k fake ballots, Supreme Court tells Texas 22 States “re-file your motion as a Bill of Complaint and we will accept it.”
I do, I just wasn’t sure if I was allowed to post them or not. So I figured giving the title would work (copy and paste into google search).
I will post it with Don’s permission, as this is his blog.
I greatly respect the author here.
Don, may I have your permission?
Hi Derp
I also would like to see the link to your claims that the FBI found 500,000 fake ballots. I hope it does not come from infowars.com
So, the forensic results minus a few redactions got released from the 22 Michigan machines today. The system is designed for fraud, all security logs were deleted from election night but no prior elections and someone tried to wipe the machines but failed. As useual, there is no evidence. What a mess…and oh dominion uses the same software compromised by foreign actors. Good greif do we even have a country anymore?
I am so sick of the gaslighting from the right. It might even be worse than what the leftists do.
It’s always the excuse that everything is a trap and Trump and the patriots are in control.
Just let them use mail in voting
Just let them use dominion machines
Just let them remove poll watchers
Just let them toss all our cases
Just let them certify fraud
REMEMBER! All this means we are secretly winning.
Next it will be that inaugurating Biden is all part of the 4D chess Trump plays.
Whatever destruction and evil this Biden admin does will actually be good because it will rally the base guys! Remember by changing nothing we will win it all back in 2024!
Hi Jim,
I hear ya, Brannon Howse has retired far right generals on that say Trump is going to declare martial law any minute now, have military tribunals, and just round up all the treasonous people. Maybe it should be done but the military is not going to do it, nor is Trump likely to invoke the insurrection act unless he actually wins the election and the left burns the cities. That rounding up the subversives needed to happen when the subversives were stacking the deck under the Clinton’s Bush’s and Obama. Now the enemy of our constitutional republic are running the nation.
I wonder what alternative Qannon universe these right wing people live in. Half this nation and most of the world has been taken over by leftists but they continue to say Trump has it all under control.
My son, a former Marine, agrees that the military is not going to help us. He told me the retired generals are right but we need active generals because the military does not organize from the ground up.
Don and M,
Certainly.
https://the-daily-trumpet.com/2020/12/12/supreme-court-rejects-texas-case-republicans-say-law-abiding-states-should-leave-the-union/
A note: It would not originally let me post this as it state it was “spam” in an error message, so i had to put a space between the https: part and the link, and then re edit this.
Interesting. I have heard of the daily trumpet. Is it a reliable source?
Derp,
The so called Republicans saying the states should leave the union was just Lt Col Allen West. I would not make much of it.
Toby,
What is their source to claim the FBI found all these fake ballots? I believe the Daily Trumpet is a Church of God site, in other words it is post millennial Armstrongism.
Oh ok. I certainly have heard of them. Herbert Armstrong, and yes I believe they had or have a magazine with the name Trumpet. So it appears the presidential steal has been successful, as Joe is offically voted winner by the electoral college.
If I remember right, Biden is planning on going on board with the Great Reset right?
I am hoping that the Rapture is soon. In the meantime the best we can do is share the Gospel and encourage one another, trust in Christ and pray.
I saw your article stating that you believe we can expect the Rapture before 2025. Still think we’re on track for that?
I’ve been trying to keep an eye as well on the current situation in Israel. I fail to understand how if everyone is at peace with Israel why they would attack them. But I also understand Israel must be at peace, and must be safe too.
Hi Derp,
We are still on track for the Rapture by 2025 if the second coming happens in the early 2030’s. Even so, I do not think anyone should be dogmatic about end time date speculation.
Thinks are going to go rapidly downhill with any peace deal under the leftists.
Another thing that you should consider is that the nations attack Israel because post rapture the whole world hates the two witnesses and their gospel of the coming Kingdom. After they are dead the nations will attempt to do away with all the Jews.
This is why any attempts to be dogmatic about how world alignments will play out before the start of the final week will be doomed to fail. Things will change rapidly after the Rapture and as the two witnesses of God torment the unbelieving world with the truth.
So now the current plan is to have these rival electors vote, hopefully have Trump win some lawsuits, then have Pence refuse to certify for Biden in January. This is Trump’s 4D chess in action again lol.
I wonder if people like Lin Wood and others are really just controlled opposition. Keep us pacified believing in a plan until Biden gets in power.
I think lin wood means well but has some weird ideas. He has put it on the line here and does have a case pending at the supreme court. He has a good point as well about wont the run off senators speak up?
Tucker carlson is controlled opsition. He has bleated about the ccp virus stuff throughout the election challenges and issues a retraction of his meager complaint about “4 dead voters” and said nothing else. Keep people focused on the injustice of ccp issues while the big fish is being cooked. Now that biden corruption is fair game again for the msm he has pivoted back to that.
I really dont know what Trump should do at this point. I dont think he should concede, ever. I think they should keep looking for an angle. The Michigan machine audit results came out yesterday, they show direct evidence of fraud. If it cant even get in court thats insanity. There is more evidence of fraud showing up by the day. Partisan rat judges dont have a problem with towing the line but then the supposed conservatives wont bother to rule. It doesnt seem like there is much resisting left to do. I keep praying a few people to have courage and do whats right, but that doesnt seem to be happening.
I agree that Biden shouldnt be seated, period he and his whole family are compromised, but what is going to be done about it?
Don,
“This is why any attempts to be dogmatic about how world alignments will play out before the start of the final week will be doomed to fail. Things will change rapidly after the Rapture and as the two witnesses of God torment the unbelieving world with the truth.”
I notice even in this day and age, our words are a torment that send the Leftists into a shrieking rage, even when presented kindly, with love, logic, and honesty.
It was seeing this that convinced me something was wrong with the world and pulled me away from the Left, especially when my own friends turned on me for questioning. Like you said, rapidly going downhill. It’s as if everyone has gone insane.
It was actually this that set me back on track to the Gospel and returning to Christ.
Thank you for your feedback and input. May I ask why you would assume early 2030s, vs 2040s? As you said, no dogma. I’m just very fascinated by how people come to their conclusions and love learning and understanding.
Derp,
My timing is based on a correlation of world events that point to the 2030’s
https://www.thepropheticyears.com/reasons/reason%20why%20we%20are%20in%20the%20last%20days.htm
And of course two days (two thousand years) from the crucifixion and 6000 years from the fall would be in the 2030’s.
Don,
Thank you, I’ll look that over. I know most dates fall between 28 AD to 34 AD depending on how far off we believe the birth was when calculating, but I wasn’t sure how much else was factored in as well.
And of course part of it depends on if the two days return is the 2nd coming or the rapture in reference to coming back.
I will read that article further, thank you so much! Eschatology is fascinating.
Hello don
I am not American but have read quite a lot of your studies. It’s an amazing revelation in itself. You talk about the demise of america. It could very well be happening now.
May I ask a question about your teaching on revelation. Do you think the seals are being opened at this time?
Hi Janice,
In the book of Revelation the Church age is spoken about in the letters to the seven Church types. These are the things that started happening in the days that John was given the revelation. After John is told to come up to Heaven, he sees the things that come after the Church age has been fulfilled (John represents the Church in Revelation).
In other words. none of the seals are opened until after the Rapture of the Church. At that point we witnesses Jesus taking the scroll from the Father and he begins to break the seals and unroll what needs to occur on earth before the Kingdom can be established on earth.
Hi don
Thank you. I am gradually putting things together. There was a time when I read revelation but didn’t have a clue how to research Bible prophecy. Even though I studied theology. I think the only reason the second coming was taught was to encourage us to be ready! Maybe that was because it seemed a long way off. Actually when I think about it teaching like this only brought a sense of anxiety because we couldn’t know the day or the hour. 🙈. Glad that one has been put to bed.
I do find myself a bit frustrated that churches seem to avoid this subject. I ask myself, how can God’s people not be aware of the times they are living in.
To me the time is very short. Things seem to change almost by the minute. Or am I too obsessed? My prayer is that many will come to Christ and that He will come soon.
Thank you for all the study you have done for many people like me who would not have found these truths on our own. A wonderful gift which you have used for the glory of God.
You gotta think that America’s purpose in the world seemed to be to counter tyrants and spread the gospel. That seems to be coming to an end. what country will pick up the slack? If the answer is nobody then what is the point in things continuing on much longer?
Doesnt seem to be one Jim. I was thinking some of these peace deals mite open some opportunities for the gospel in these muslim countries but it looks like our country is dead. Supreme court is punting on this too, if its really that deep Trump was never going to get it all cleaned out anyway. Everyday more news of isanity, cowardice and corruption comes out about our government. I had hoped the rapture would be what broke this country but unless it happens really soon it doesnt seem like we will make it that far. With so many so called Christians going along with the agenda is it really logical to expect to be rescued without some major chastening first? Barring a miracle I think our country is done, but I have to remember a couple things. Prayer works, All things are possible with God, allowing the corruption to be exposed may well fit some plan of His, the charge to pray for our nation and leaders has not gone away, and we are still here. Until we are pulled out we have to continue to resist, continue to pray, share where we can, and hold onto our hope. It is not like this corruption spawned overnight, maybe God is going to deal with it for us to see here, who really knows? I see it as impossible without His direct intervention at this point. We have a missionary family in our church due to move to Africa in May, we are good friends with them and things seem to be falling into place to make this happen for them so who really knows. I struggled with the idea of praying for a Biden administration at first…then it hit me: pray for them to repent, to confess, to concede, to admit their sins and corruption. Stranger things have happened.
This is frightening!
https://leohohmann.com/2020/12/16/democrat-document-surfaces-demanding-biden-clamp-down-on-conservative-christians-remove-them-from-public-office-and-re-educate-trump-voters/
Adriana,
Yes there are some very radical leftists in the Democrat party. Not sure if this small group of reps would get any traction even with Biden/Harris but it’s still concerning. Again there is that call to brand patriots who resist the agenda as domestic terrorists. It might be Biden using the insurrection act on us rather than the other way around.
Just tell him corn pop is looking for him.
Also what’s going on with all these cyber attacks? Nuclear facilities breached? Offensive software security firms breached? Media keeps saying its Russia when it’s almost certainly China in some way. Why do I get the feeling we are at war with China in all but name only?
Well as the days pass by, it seems we are to just move on, and accept the results, and forget about any fraud and illegal voting. I am certainly for peaceful compromise, but it seems Trump supporters and all on the right and for justice are all talk and no action. We hear sucession threats but I think it is just all talk. Again I am certainly for peace and love and against violence, but at the same time are we to just sit back and let our country be taken over and do nothing? It seems to me war is being declared for our country by the left and what can we do? Yes prayer is the most important thing. Every day I see people Joe is appointing or considering, and most are a complete abomination. Every good thing Trump has done may be wiped out. The left has taken over most of MSM, and social media, which all is about to become a propaganda machine even worse than it has been. The rapture must be very soon, then the left can have whats left of America.
Well if the 2nd coming is in the early 2030s than it certainly is very close. I don’t see how the world can continue for many decades but some scholars put the 2nd coming as late as 2075 AD. Regardless the US might not even make it another 4 years at the rate we are going.
With the extensive unprecedented cyber attacks that are now happening against our government and contractors, I am thinking that we might not even control our national security anymore including our electrical grid.
There may be no good reason for Russia or China to put out our lights right now, but if things heat up it looks like they might have that option.
Americans might want to review this article.
https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/americans-could-not-survive-long-term-electrical-grid-failure.html
Yes I have heard about the EMP threat for a few years now. We see with riots, looting and protests how crazy people get, I can’t imagine how they would act if we were hit by an EMP, or major CME. That is another reason we can’t give up our guns. Do you think Iran or North Korea has EMP capability? I was fairly certain Trump promised Netanyahu he would attack Iran, thinking he had 4 more years to bomb their nuclear facilities.
Perhaps that is the dark winter the left keeps strangely referring to. A literal “dark” winter.
I’ll be honest I don’t think I would be able to make it through a long term grid down scenario. You have to be rural or wealthy to be able to have enough food and supplies to last the many weeks until order is restored. I’ve been strangely being led to purchase a generator lately although storing enough fuel for potentially weeks of use is not possible for me.
Remember the left has said that Trump refusing to concede could lead to terror attacks like 911. Seemed like a threat to me.
I don’t know why Trump has not come out and told the Anerican people what’s really going on. If he’s planning on pulling an ace out his sleeve (which I doubt) then we all need to know. It would rally support to him and let people know to start preparing.
Hi Toby,
I was not talking about an EMP shutting down our grid in my last comment. It also can be done with cyber warfare. To answers your question, if these nations have the capability to deliver a nuclear weapon over the US they can cause an EMP.
Jim
Regarding the election stuff he made a 45 minute speech on that a few weeks back but none of the msm carried it. Do you have any like minded friends? Community in that situation will be essential, nobody is going to whole up in there house alone and pull out of that sort of mess. As a group if you have some useful skills or even maybe if you can get a surplus of one or two things that would be useful. I feel much the same as you as I live in a small community but there is only one of me and I have 4 depending on me. My wife’s health isnt great and ive got 2 young kids and then my mother. I can garden, hunt etc. But really still depend on the grid for things like animal feed and cooking energy.
On the grid stuff: That one there is not much civilians can do besides prepare like the government says you should. Telling people something like that is high possibility will probably get him mocked by the idiot msm now anyway. Im not sure they know how bad it is anyway. All that stuff should be air gapped but a lot of it is not. Makes me nervous, I work in an oil refinery.
I think Trump has to exhaust all legal means first, not looking good on that count. Every day more and more evidence comes out that the election is dirty, but courts wont hear it. It is hard to find good polling but it seems some where above 50% think its dirty and the number is growing slowly. Several state legislatures are trying to do their duty on this so if they can somehow pull it off that is a better outcome than Trump using the nuclear option which has unsure results. Seems the courts are just going to refuse to act.
Don, what are your thoughts on this vaccine?
I worry for my children and my family. Seeing how Ireland, Scotland and Brazil are treating this, makes me worry. They are indirectly giving people an ultimatum: either you get the vaccine and you can go on with your life or you have no life.
My worry is that our govt is going to indirectly force this vaccine down our throat. If we don’t get it, we will not be allowed to travel, go to work, school, etc – they’ll make it impossible for us to live. It makes me question – why? What is in this vaccine other than this questionable mRNA that’s never been used on a human. Thoughts?
Ah yes cyber warfare is another threat. China may not need to attack us, if Joe basically hands our country over to them. Trump was pretty tough on China, will Joe be? It seems no President including Trump hae addressed our electric grid issues enough or even at all.
Hi Eri,
I have the same concerns as yours as far as the government control over everyone. Having said that, I do not think these vaccines (there will be a number of them) have any hidden agenda. They were developed to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.
Frankly, I do not think the virus is much of a danger to healthy people. It will be no worse than a cold for most. The short term and long term reactions to these vaccines could be worse than the virus and I suppose you will have to get them annually.
So January 6th Trump calling for a large protest in DC. A lot of people are overly optimistic saying this is the day Pence will refuse to certify results. Why would Trump call for a protest instead of the military if he was planning on oveturning results? People don’t think!
Jim its to put pressure on congress.
A peaceful protest will never pressure the leftists and RINOs do do the right thing. It’s a waste of time. Only thing that will come of it is skirmishes with antifa. The point is Trump is not preparing to overturn the election. All evidence points to Biden being inaugurated on the 20th. I suppose Trump could have an ace up his sleeve but that’s very unlikely at this point.
I dunno Jim. It doesnt look good anyway you hash it out really. It does seem more and more stuff is showing up. I think there is a connection to foreign actors with the machines. Dominion had a solar winds logo in its website until a few days ago. I saw it on their webpage myself. Very scary time, thankful for our hope. Ted cruz is one my senators,
I emailed him today asking him to speak up. If this stands we are done as a country. Anyone got ideas on how tonstart a new party?
God is gracious…
The US and the Western cultures generally have been too engrossed in their pleasures, and this explosion of blatant evil has opened their eyes to a very great extent, but to what extent is yet to be seen.
I have little doubt God will honour the obvious desire for freedom shown in the landslide you speak of Don, but if the desire for freedom is for the continuance of licentious living then I believe God must lower the boom.
However I pray for freedom loving people, I pray the display and depth of evil today will cause them to change their minds, to repent of their own petty greed and turn to God our Saviour.
I am, unfortunately of the opinion that Trump not only bit off more than he could chew, but that the “Elite” or Globalists, or Illuminati, (whichever label you choose to use) were taken by surprise in 2016, but as I told my friend “No, they are not beaten. If anything they are now more dangerous than ever, a cornered beast.” And I was right.
Over the last 4 years they have built their attacks but at this point the hammer has come down.
Even if Trump is legitly elected, he will not be permitted to take power. They will not allow it, and given the forces they control, they will see to it.
Even if God was using Trump to get things done, remember also that God will allow the NWO to appear when it is time. Because nothing can be done unless He allows it.
The idea of a redeemed America, while a nice dream, is simply that.
I believe that what is happening now is merely a cog in the Lord’s plan.
But as always, that means that God is in control. And the best thing for us to do is trust in Him, and in our Savior, Christ Jesus.
While we must still stand for the Gospel and for Christ, do not be surprised if things take a dark turn.
It is all going according to the Plan.
At least that’s my guess, I’ve been known to be wrong before though.
Good evening:
Did of any of you hear the Hannity Radio show today being hosted by “Rose Unplugged”? I understand there was a retired government,socialist swamp creature that claimed that everything that has happened was planned and it is too late for anyone to change the inevitable “world globalist future”. He was bragging and basically had an answer for every question she threw at him.
Did anyone hear the program?
Hi WY Farmer’s Wife,
Everything that happens on earth is orchestrated by spiritual powers, but that does not mean the current conductors get to play the symphony they have in mind.
There will be a globalist future, but maybe not until the Antichrist. How do you get all the nations to agree on how the world should be run? I think globalism will come in desperation after the coming world wars. At that point people will demand it because they will fear for their own survival. It probably will not come about just because some elitists want it now.
Trump needs to veto this spending bill. It’s a huge slap in the face to all Americans. Billions to foriegn countries. As usual the democrats are 10 steps ahead of the useless GOP. Trump will likely sign it as he is weak. Is there literally nobody in either party that will stand up and call out these traitors?
Probably not. I keep wanting to throw my hands up and not care anymore…but then those verses about pray for our leaders. My state rep and cruz voted against it, our other senator voted for it.
On Globalism
Many teachers are very focused on the great reset agenda which does have many backers, but they ignore china, russia, india, south America, and eastern Europe. Most of those places dont want it. China wants to control everything, Russia wants its empire back and India doesnt like china. China for the large part has taken over the UN through predatory lending practises and bribes etc to many of the weaker countries in it.
Last time this happened, Trump said he would never sign a spending bill like that again, but here we are again and now we shall see what he is really made out of.
What does he actually have to lose by not signing this monstrosity? Either he leaves office in 3 weeks or he miraculously pulls off a win in which case the spending bill is the least of his problems. The media will attack him either way.
Looks like some armed right wing protestors in Oregon had enough, they stormed the Capitol building demanding their rights back, and demanding the arrest of the governor. And of course the cops beat them back and pepper sprayed them, declaring unlawful assembly.
But it’s totally ok when Antifa does it, right?
I’m going to be curious to see how this plays out.
Well Trump did not sign the bill, saying Americans need $2000 stimulus checks. Nancy and the democrats want their Christmas wish list as they played their political games and clearly show they have no care for the American people, as if we didn’t already know that.
Pelosi immediately agreed to up it to $2000 which means something else is in the bill she desperately wants. Trump should still veto it but there is no way he will now. They just keep playing him for a fool.
On a side note apparently Mike Pence is leaving the country for a trip to Israel immediately after his role in the certification of the EC results Jan 6th. That’s obviously not a coincidence. Certify for Biden then escape.
It makes me furious how this blatant fraud is allowed to stand. We have video of that poll worker in GA putting the same ballots through the machine after poll watchers were told to leave. That perfectly explains the spike in Biden votes in the middle of the night.
Don’t forget. The media and all the fact checkers assured us that videos weren’t proof. That it was fake news.
You know, despite the contrary of it being true.
We’re a the point where it’s not a matter of what is and isn’t illegal, we’re at the point of them just refusing to enforce the law and tell the truth.
But let’s be honest. What do you expect from a bunch of sociopaths?
The next few weeks are going to be very interesting. I am not looking forward to it. Maranatha!
Don Palmer,
Agreed.
Time to hunker down, pray and wait out the storm.
Do the Father’s business and survive to do it again another day.
So any theories on that RV bomb? Seems related to this election.
Jim,
Probably just another attempt at blaming the “far right” (that is, anyone who disagrees and stands up to the Left and Globalists).
Another attempt I’d bet to paint us all as ignorant savages.
Trump signed the pork bill after saying he would never sign a monstrous bill like this again and after indicating that he would veto this bill. So much for Trump being a man of his word. He just funded all that the deep state wanted and helped destroy the dollar. And he thinks he can run again in 2024 and win? Won’t happen! If Trump wants to stay in power, he better not turn over the keys to the deep state criminal Biden. Of course Trump will leave, because “making America great again” turns out to not be his top priority.
Don,
Trump’s explanation for signing it is even worse. He says he has requested that the Senate “consider” looking into voter fraud, and that they repeal section 230 and upping direct relief payments. Of course none of his requests will even be considered. Why he is campaigning for the two GA senators is beyond me. They all stabbed him in the back. If he wanted to energize his base he would not of went back on his word and signed this bill.
Also does Trump have any idea what these people will do to him after he leaves? They will harass him, sue him, try to arrest him. Maybe they will succeed. Not only him but all his supporters. He could of stopped this. Instead he made terrible hiring decisions and wanted to placate the GOP establishment. Now we will likely collapse into civil unrest and tyranny in the coming months/years.
Yes Don, Trump continues to dissapoint us as his Presidency may be near its end, starting for me with his terrible first debate with Biden. Maybe the years of constant harrassment and the covid crisis is getting to him. He is calling for a protest rally in DC on January 6th. We pray all will be peaceful. I would think Trump may be too old for another term if he won in 2024.
Don or anyone else that knowes
Help me understand something on this junk bill. I have seen too many different opinions and I honestly do not know where to get an accurate account. I have seen it said the bill had a veto proof majority passage, I have seen it said that he had the option to pocket veto it, I have seen it said he did not have that option. I understand that pocket veto means sit on it until senate recess(which hasnt happened for 4 years, thanks mitch), and I have seen it said he could have just ran out the clock on it until the next congress.
Don you seem to have a pretty good idea of how this works, when does or did the 10 day clock on the bill start for passage by default, pocket veto, or start of a new congress? Did he actually have effective veto power considering it passed both houses with super majorities? I thought he would have at least forced them to overide his veto, I am disappointed again. Seems like our government is irredeemablely compromised.
What I saw was that while Trump signed the covid relief bill to stop the stop on unemployment benefits he invoked the Impoundment Control Act and sent it back to congress. He redlined the pork. I don’t understand all the details of this Act because I haven’t looked it up yet.
Hi Dawson & Caitlin,
They probably could have overrode his veto but it does not matter what other options Trump may have had because they are a moot point because he signed the bill. Like Caitlin said, he did send it back to Congress but the bill is still signed and goes into effect. They could modify it to comply with Trump’s red lines but that is not going to get the required votes in Congress. The most Trump may get is the $2000 per adult Covid payment but even that is in doubt because it will take a super majority vote in both the House and Senate to amend this bill.
So talking about junk in the bill. Most of our money on this bill is going to other countries. While we suffer. One of these topics is “Pakistani Gender Studies”.
Pushing the LGBTQ agenda in other countries was more important to the Dems than taking care of us. Of course that’s no surprise, because they locked us down and crushed us. They do not see us as people to take care of. They see us as a source of funds for them to try to take over the world through “diplomacy.” They are loyal to the Globalists and that is their vision to pursue. Not our country being safe, secure and strong.
Don, You mentioned the Rapture being likely before 2025. I can see how this might play out, because Biden is on board with the Great Reset. And they intend to put people in camps who refuse to take the covid 19 and 21 vaccines, and seize their assets. Part of what they are pushing is “debt forgiveness” which will also forfeit one’s own assets and their RIGHT to own property in the future. Those who refuse will be pushed into camps as a “threat to society”.
This came from a letter from Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. the former Apostolic Nuncio to the US. While the Breitbart news itself is questionable, ignoring their spin, the letter itself was included in the article. I am going to try to find an original copy of the letter if I can, separate from the article (original documentation). Everything I have noted above was in the letter, ignoring Breitbart’s actual writing and article itself.
So we have… the solution to the world’s problems appearing. A rebellion worldwide by those wanting their freedom may occur (war). They predict supplies crashing in Quarter 2… and shortages of food (famine). And when all that collapses, of course that leaves us open to disease and more death running rampant.
I feel like we’re about to see the ride of the horsemen in the next year, maybe 2, depending on when things start to roll out. And that actually lines up with your 2025 prediction actually. But that’s just my own theory based on how I see that attempt to force the Great Reset on us playing out.
Trump has failed us, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. One should put their faith in Christ, and not in mankind to save us. I admit. I hoped he could stop them. But if this was preordained in prophecy, nothing can stop it, can it?
Hi Derp,
Things are bad enough without the extreme fringe right wing embellishment. I do hope people will consider the source of their information before they report it here as if it were fact.
I do not think Christians should be fatalistic. The only thing we really know about future Bible prophecy is what occurs after the Church age is over. Until then, we can still change things.
The WEF agenda is really just a wishlist. It’s not law and implementing it on a global scale is a Herculean task. It does give us an idea where the far left globalists want to go though. Forced internment camps for the unvaccinated will probably never happen either. If anything it seems like we may see a digital health pass be attempted. I doubt that will work either. The rapture will cause such a profound paradigm shift. It could also be years before the start of the tribulation. No point really in speculating what certain actions countries will take. The US is headed for great turmoil soon that’s something we can all agree on with a high degree of confidence.
Hi,
Regarding the rapture, I still see some web sites that contend the rider on the white horse immediately follows, with the seven years all crammed together.
I am on board with the notion of 10.5 years (two overlapping 7’s) between rider on white horse (i.e., breaking of the first seal) and Armageddon / return of Jesus (which does not mark the exact start of the millennial kingdom, as there are, if-you-will, some final lose ends to tie up). That said,
As with the previous post, I contend that there is a period of time between the rapture and the breaking of the first seal, even up to a couple years.
Which puts the rapture quite immanent.
I contend that what I/we are seeing is the tail end of Roman’s chapters 1 and 2 — the insanity is so rampant and blatant, that the higher powers are stepping up and playing out with more involvement, as I cannot explain things solely based on humanistic actions.
I’m fatalistic regarding things beyond my control, but I am working hard on the things that I can influence in my tiny sphere of influence — I have a musical talent and I am using that to [virtually] reach the lost (NOT to entertain [the saved]), and I am thoroughly convinced that God is running this endeavor (as I’d give it up, otherwise, and just go fishing).
Blessings.
Jim,
I certainly hope you are right. Frankly I’d rather hope to goodness that these people are embellishing. But at this point I guess considering we can’t trust fact checkers I’d rather err on the side of caution myself.
Craig or Don,
Regarding that 10.5 year span for the Rapture/Return.
I know there’s supposedly 7 years. Where does the extra 3.5 come from? I must have missed that analysis.
I dig through so much in a night it can get overwhelming at times.
Hi Derp,
I have believed that seven years after the Rapture many on earth will be looking for some kind of Savior to appear and they will actually receive the Antichrist. It does not have to be 10 1/2 years from the Rapture to the second coming, but that timing is as good as any.
I think the four horsemen ride before the last seven years begin. The last seven years actually starts with the signing of the seven year covenant, not the Rapture. In Revelation Israel is not even mentioned until the sealing of the 144,000 that take the gospel of the kingdom to the whole world as a witness before the end comes.
I think the seal judgments are caused by man and not angels. The day of the Lord begins at the sixth seal. The persecution of the saints at the fifth seal is what brings the day of the wrath of the Lamb (trumpet judgments) and the world’s acceptance of the Antichrist instead of His Messiah brings the wrath of God (bowl judgements).
By the way, many believe there is a gap between the Rapture and the start of the seven years. I mention this theory in my Revelation commentary and the following post among others addresses the issues. You might also keep in mind that Enoch (a Rapture type) was taken to heaven a half a generation before the flood judgment.
https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/apocalypse-road-has-gap-between-rapture-and-daniels-70th-week.html
Don,
So if I’m understanding this right, Pre Trib basically teaches that we’re repatured before the SEALS as opposed to judgements?
Thanks in advance.
Derp,
I’ll also try to tie this back to the subject matter, as well.
I won’t necessarily state the wrath of God (announced at the breaking of the sixth seal) is the tribulation (which I’ll equate to the last week of Daniel), as marked by the signing of the peace treaty between the anti-Christ (presumed originating as the white horse rider) and the state of Israel.
So, pre-trib, if taken literally, would mean just that. Various scripture indicates that the rapture occurs prior to the tribulation and the wrath of God (coupling these phrases).
Presuming that the forces of evil push Biden/Kamala into USA executive power (and the house, of course, and the senate is just about there, regardless), many have been contending that President Trump represented a pause of God’s judgement on America — and it looks like God’s judgement on America is going to resume and God will lift His hand from America (and, like the flax-seed parable, it will burn up in a fast-moving blaze). Deservedly so, I state (America is barely exporting His word and, as the past Christmas shows, pervades the characteristics of Romans chapters 1-thru-2).
Back to the rapture (seemingly still on post) – America is removed from world relevance prior to the breaking of the first Seal (a “man judgment”, versus a “God judgment”). It looks like that will be happening in the upcoming couple of years if not sooner. I contend, by my own common sense, that the rapture is likely a catalyst for allowing the flax-seed to burn up America without restraint (as we equate the spirit of God in His people in the world with the restrainer).
Which, by my conjecture, means we have little time left to serve God on earth (and America, in particular) in the current church age dispensation.
And Don can chime in, correct, override, as needed (please do, if you feel). Blessings.
PS – I do wonder if the States might call a constitutional convention?
Craig,
I see, thank you.
Sometimes it feels like the more I learn the more questions I have. A lot of my pre tribulation rapture view was conditioned by the idea and interpretation presented in the “Left Behind” series. While of course fictional and a supposition of one view, it did illustrate the point.
I wasn’t even aware that mid trib or post trib or no trib views were even a thing before all this. Let alone understanding where along the timeline different segments began or where the events actually might overlap. Sometimes I feel like the more I learn the more I’m confused.
I’d like to thank everyone for their patience in all my questions and the views I’ve also presented for speculation.
I’m trying to learn all I can each day. For the longest time I thought most of the end times prophecy was solely in Revelation.
I have a new KJV Bible arriving soon and will begin studying as soon as I can, or at least try to read the whole thing through. (Last time I got stuck in Numbers.)
Perhaps for some in GA who plan to vote in the run off election should consider taking the ballot they are given and leaving with it. Send it to uncorrupted authorities for expert examination. Bypass the corrupt officials who won’t let ballots be examined. It can quickly be proven if it was fraudulent in any way. Many should of thought about doing this in the presidential election.
I also thought it strange that the election workers had computers which told them the voters party affiliation. That was not there for the 2016 election. What good reason would they have to implement this?
Happy 2021 Everyone!!!
May we live in interesting times. (Though I’d have settled for a simple boring “get a job, have a family, have kids, retire.”)
Seriously though, may this year bring us all renewed faith and pursuing a closer relationship with Jesus Christ and may He keep you all and bless you all no matter how things pan out.